guidelines for the next 5 years, so we have to take another step forward. during the meeting of the european council, mr. valery, zelensky signed a security agreement with the european union, so what does this security agreement mean with a european institution, because there are 17 or 19 separate security agreements that we have already signed, and that's it. we signed a european council meeting with lithuania and estonia, which means a security agreement with the european council, or rather with the european union? well, i will say this, in themselves all agreements are diplomatic, like diplomatic work, and that it is good that there is some deepened fixation there of deepened relations, for the practice of our relations with the european union, this agreement will not add much, it fixes. those mechanisms,

the level of relations that exists, although it is also intentions, well, it is indefinite, unlike other ten-year agreements, well, indefinite, it is clear why, because in fact it fixes today's attitude of the european union, if we open the foreign policy section, and then foreign policy-security, then we will understand that it is precisely in this section that we have advanced... us, well, most of all in fact, that's why i'm not surprised that we have such an agreement, i read it carefully, well , to be honest, i didn't find anything specific there, let's put it this way, and it would hardly be there, because the european union is not a non-defense organization, despite the fact that the structure is largely military, they also duplicate the nato structure, but it is still a pod. the european union

cannot provide ukraine with security, but it can strengthen bilateral cooperation, the supply of weapons, there are funds that were mentioned, that is, these things are simply collected in one document, and they give an opportunity to imagine our current state of relations, which is really the highest during the entire period of our interaction with the european union, and it, well, it confirms that there will be no lower level, and how can it be lower if we are going to be members of the european union, how can it be smaller? well, therefore , such an added value as a small agreement with, for example , britain, which is not a member of the eu, or bilateral agreements with others, well, the usa, let's say, it does not have such an added value, it is very powerful, but nevertheless it is very symbolic and emphasizes that... our integration into the european union

is also about security. mr. valery, another important point, returning to our path to the european union, is hungary, which has published or prepared a list of 11 proposals regarding national minorities. ukrainian pravda published this list and writes that the publication writes that ukraine publicly undertook to fulfill in order to start negotiations on accession to the eu , the publication calls the clause of the preconditions for the implementation of the language rights of the national minority a key stumbling block, according to which everything transcarpathia should actually be recognized as traditionally hungarian, well these 11 points, these 11 proposals, now look like an ultimatum from budapest to kyiv, or am i misunderstanding what the hungarians want and what concessions they want in transcarpathia for themselves. to begin

with, i have not seen this document, well, exactly what the hungarian side proposed, but i thank our investigators, experts, journalists for showing it, although these points were already known from the statements of the minister of crown affairs, mr. siyart, and i somewhere i heard them even during my work, when i participated in meetings with on the hungarian side, that means, in principle, the position that ukraine has taken now, which we would like to skip... now this moment and we seem to be talking about the fact that we will fulfill everything, well , maybe it was practically correct, because now to aggravate the issue, we had to decide the beginning of the process, but then i know what the hungarian side wants, to put it briefly, the current concept of the hungarian government is as follows: not only in relation to ukraine, but also to slovakia, to romania, they want not

just that the right to be ensured in the countries national minorities, hungarians, they want the governments of these countries to... specially create conditions for the development of these minorities, so that they are no longer minorities, but develop in such a way as to have dominance, i.e. the idea in ukraine to obtain first cultural, then territorial autonomy , that is, the fact that we, what is the difficulty, we got into a lot of trouble with the russians because of this, we actually gave crimea such autonomy, yes, we also enshrined this autonomy in the constitution, by the way, this is one of the consequences of the compromises of the social contract of that constitutional night of 1996, which we are now recalling today, so it was a compromise, so it was an exchange, that is, it was a very big compromise to consolidate the autonomy of crimea, and as we saw, a compromise that

gradually led to very big problems as a result, so once again go through to step on the rake of some kind of territorial autonomy on... their territories, this contradicts the national interests of ukraine, this is clear, and in addition, these are already mechanisms, that is, civil servants, hungarians, so that they are not required to speak ukrainian at work, so that the representation was fixed in the central structures of power in ukraine, well, in the parliament and so on and so on, that is, these are already further processes, that's why i think so. in order to remove the question of the goals of hungary, i will remind you that no one answered, well at least i did not receive an answer, what was done two days before the large-scale invasion of ukraine, on the 202nd somewhere on the 22nd of the year in february, what was done by the hungarian

military units in the border villages, when they were withdrawing their own, evacuating people, and tanks and tanks were entering there, they tell me that it was... that they were preparing for crossings to do in order to then evacuate the ukrainians, i doubt that the military was preparing steam crossings, so until i get answers to this question, and why ukraine was forced to do some things even earlier, that is , let the hungarian side tell these questions, and then we will talk about other things, the rights of national minorities in ukraine will be guaranteed, and if we trust the hungarians. let's restore it so that we will be together, we will see that the hungarian side promotes our integration into the eu, because look, they want to support the hungarian community, yes unite it, the hungarian community in a single political, cultural, and economic space within the framework of the european union,

help ukraine join faster, and you will get everything you want today, and then ukraine will look more calmly, even at some autonomous things inside, i am sure, that is... i believe that this list of requirements should be resolved in parallel with the process of already joining the eu. maybe they will be when it closes, well, we dream so much about the future, when basic questions will be closed, when will be there in each case, there will still be certain transitional provisions, so then we can talk about some requirements so that some additional things are introduced in parallel from the moment of entry. and the protection of national minorities, including hungarian, the hungarian language, education, a lot of things are being done now, and these issues can be removed, there are moments, it can be removed, but definitely not to create autonomy, not to create some officials who do not speak

the state language , i am categorically against this, and if the demand for ukraine from the side of hungary is the loss of our, if sovereignty in security, well, i am in such a case, excuse me, then why do we have such a union with such countries, members of this union, or maybe hungary will leave this union? now i would, in fact, consider such a scenario, because what hungary is creating, it has already got everyone there at the level of its leadership in brussels, now there was even a question of depriving them of the presidency from the first day, well, they did not do it, so this a trade that... well, the very end of our conversation, mr. valery, the global summit of world-2 should take place at the end of the year, andriy yarmak has already announced that this summit may take place in saudi arabia, and does not rule out that

russia may participate in this summit, so what initial positions of moscow can we agree with, that they should participate in this peace summit and in general, well, what it means their presence at... in this world-2 summit. the initial positions are very well known: the de-occupation of the entire territory, including donetsk, luhansk region and crimea, well, the second is the return of all prisoners and companies. losses are, at least, that's all, then the summits are good business, but nothing will happen this year, i will tell you briefly, no, there may be summits, there will be no decision, and why did i already say, because everyone will wait for november 5, then there will be a certain period, that is, no matter how we wanted, and the ukrainian side said that the plan will now be concrete, these are all maneuvers, and the parameters of exit from the broad will be established. a large-scale war, because i do not believe that with russia under this regime we will be able to, well

, end the war, but a large-scale such a collision is the way out, well, it will not be within the framework summits, in completely different mechanisms, thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation, it was valery chaly, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, politician, diplomat, who knows about ukrainian politics and ukrainian foreign policy, everything, thank you, mr. valery, and i will remind you. .. greetings friends, during this broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you whether you believe that trump is capable of ending the war in ukraine. so, let's look at the interim results of our television poll. so, 13% - yes, 87, no. we will continue this survey in the second one as well part of the program which will start 15 minutes after the news release from our colleagues at the bbc. let me remind you that you can also vote on youtube. and phone lines, if you think that trump is capable of ending the war in

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week and, of course, we will try to predict what the following weeks will bring us. today's guests of the zahid studio are the legendary american general wesley clark and the iconic political scientist, who is in washington, andriy pionkovskyi. now the legendary american general wesley clark, ex-commander of the euro-atlantic contingent, will work on the espresso tv channel alliance on the european continent. greetings , dear mr. general clark, and thank you for the opportunity and honor of speaking with you. the key story is the scenario of the subsequent war. we in ukraine experienced extremely unpleasant, not just disturbing, literally unpleasant feelings when several months were given to putin, when we are talking about the delivery of large-scale american aid. for six months, we in ukraine felt that everything could end badly for us, but now there is a feeling that... the war is taking on new additional dimensions, i would ask you now

characterize it is very good that ukraine is finally getting weapons from the west, and i am very happy about the support from the united states. despite the six-month delay and misunderstanding in the congress. however, it is very important that ukraine defines its concept of victory and uses this concept in order to be guided by it in its demands. it is not necessary to do this publicly, but there should be a clear plan for what this weapon is needed for. without a plan , people will say: well, the front has stabilized, there is nothing left but to to defend and despair, but this cannot be allowed. in 1940, british troops were pushed out of the european continent. it took them four years to cross the lamat with american help. to enter and liberate france. important geostrategic initiatives do not happen in

a couple of months. it is not just a matter of two more batteries or artillery battalions, or hundreds of thousands of 155mm shells. although everything is necessary for defense. you need a winning concept without which your supporters in the west will struggle formulate requirements for forces, supplies and reinforcements. so the point is to develop a concept. victory dear mr. general, we understand that the concept of our victory, the formula of our victory and the scenario of the further war depends on resources, and resources depend. from a specific political will, including president joseph biden, and we understand that some things in the white house were put on hold, only because putin threatened, perhaps the use of tactical nuclear weapons, perhaps putin threatened something else, but we see that putin inadequate, that is, the very beginning of the war demonstrated putin's inadequacy and all the atrocities that accompanied this war,

when we talk, in particular, about the shelling of our peaceful cities, well, i answered. do you have a feeling when we talk, for example, about tactical aviation, yes the f-16s that are supposed to arrive this summer, that there will be enough of them, and how the united states will behave if putin really dares to use tactical nuclear weapons, because this is all very , very serious. you asked two questions: first, regarding the f-16. it is related to the following question: how much f'? can be considered a sufficient number, you need 15, 50 or 500 of these fighters, it depends on your concept of victory, what is missing, at least in the public dial, although i don't know what the plots say, is the concept of victory, what is this, this the concept forms the basis for deciding

the adequacy or inadequacy of the military supplies that you receive, as far as the... united states is concerned, you have very strong popular support that reflects both your determination to fight for your independence and democracy, and the willingness of americans to support those who fight for freedom. this strong sympathy spans both political parties. if putin decides to use nuclear weapons, the united states will have to respond appropriately. although i don't know what that answer will be. i hope the us has an adequate military response package as well. this war will end when putin realizes that he cannot win and cannot hold the parts of ukraine that he claims are part of of russia this is how this war should end. we often hear that it should end

with a diplomatic settlement, because all wars usually end with some kind of written agreement. that this agreement will form the basis, the basis for it should be the results of the ukrainian concept of ousting the russians, the demands that this concept generates, and the determination to fulfill them in the process of implementing the plan, as soon as it starts to happen, i think that putin will be able to be overcome , and i'm sure it will definitely fail in a nuclear scenario. i am asking you about this for a reason, because at one time you... restrained not only serbian aggression in the balkans, you also restrained russian aggression in the balkans, you were among those people who were not afraid to bring the situation to the level of either, or, yes, we remember this very well in ukraine you know, you also managed to stop the crimes of the serbian fascists who were under the arms of milosevic, but on

the other hand, there were no nuclear weapons involved, if we are talking about the seriousness of putin's intentions. how far do you think things can go and do you feel the euro-atlantic community is ready to deliver his duties, if, for example, putin starts one or another form of aggression against one or another nato member state, be it estonia, be it lithuania, or be it poland. conflicts can be ended in two ways, one of them is to achieve a dominant escalation. when your opposition... recognizes the hopelessness of its position and surrenders, this is how we fought the serbs in 1999. milosevic was a rational man, but he was also somewhat exhausted by five years of war. his resources also went to zero after he faced multiple pressures.

milosevic made the mistake of trying to end kosovo. he hoped that the position... would be influenced by the fact that kosovo was part of serbia, however, having assumed specific obligations, the alliance could no longer retreat. milosevic misinterpreted the political calculation at the highest level in nato. we then started with airstrikes, which could turn into an invasion of ground troops into kosovo and possibly serbia. as soon as milosevic realized this, he compromised and withdrew his troops. the nuclear situation in ukraine differs component, however, this trump card is in the hands of not only russia, because the usa, france and great britain also have nuclear weapons. while brandishing the nuclear card, putin must recognize the nuclear potential of the other side, if he says he wants to go all the way, he must remember what

happened to adolf hitler. let's not be satisfied with putin's fantastic idea that he is ready to go to vabank, sacrificing his mother russia. putin, like every leader who leads a war, wants to win and is ready to sacrifice his own. but only until to a certain extent. even hitler in 1945 was looking for a way out, hoping to save germany. he was not ready to fight to the end until that end became a reality for him. so putin must understand that there is no reason to continue this war. they weren't there from the beginning. ukraine has never been military. a threat to russia. the people of ukraine simply wanted to be able to choose their own path. if putin had a clear head and understood the schedule of the 21st century,

ukraine and russia would be partners today. instead, he chose a false path based on false history and the allure of russian imperialism, which has no place in the 21st century. nato leaders understand this well, and that is why they are meeting this year on the 75th anniversary of the alliance. democratic countries were never in a hurry to intervene, even in kosovo, the conflict lasted for years. before nato began to act. in the case of ukraine, full-scale war has been going on for more than two years, and the west continues to watch the action. but this is not... an excuse for putin consider that the west is tired. the heroism of the ukrainian people, their incredible technological competence, innovativeness

and determination to set their own course in europe as an independent state and democracy are admired by the whole world and the west. however, the burden of navigating the path to success rests primarily on the shoulders of ukraine. this means that ukraine needs the concept of victory refers to both a military concept and a political concept that would determine certain requirements. this concept must be approved and supported by western partners, so that to ensure compliance with these requirements. dear mr. general clark, we understand that this war is not just a war, putin describes it as an existential war, just a couple of weeks ago, when putin had the opportunity to remain silent, no. he issued a public ultimatum when he said that there could be no talks about anything and began to demand the withdrawal of our ukrainian troops from our

ukrainian territories, this is putin's position, and we understand that they are heating up this notion of an existential war, and we understand that putin is ready to pay his price, at the same time, with on the other hand, we understand that the russian army has shown nothing except the willingness to sacrifice its soldiers, that is... they have not offered anything particularly new on the battlefield, and when we talk about the peace formula, i completely agree with you, there must be a resource-confirmed clear the position of the west, and if we talk about military goals, what do you think putin would like to achieve, because it is not for nothing that he met with the north korean dictator kim jong-un, so putin begins to hysterically look for countries where he can add b... turning to north korea, china and iran, putin is making a huge mistake. this

coalition will only further push the west away, and will also internationalize ukraine's struggle to repel russian aggression, stimulating western countries to provide even more aid to ukraine. this is a big miscalculation on his part. ukraine must do what... must, when the british troops were pushed out of france in 1940, prime minister churchill made an incredible statement, he said: we will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them on farms. we will never, never, never surrender, that was british determination. churchill did not have an american ally at that time because... america was not yet at war, these were scary times for britain. the country was being bombed, and its fighters were not enough to prevent

airstrikes. many historical parallels can be drawn, this is a historical moment for the truth of the ukrainian state, this is a test of weapons, and this struggle can make ukraine a powerful and leading state on the world stage. dear mr. general, we understand that the current situation may change rapidly in the fall: there will be elections in the united states, and we do not know in ukraine, to be honest, what to expect from donald trump, so we do not know, yes... what to expect from his team, but in in any case, he gives very different signals, and these signals sometimes scare me because they are too primitive, that is, if you believe the former advisers of trump, yes, who spoke today about the way in which trump would conduct certain negotiations with kiev and with moscow, this is really disturbing, we understand that putin and the kremlin and putin's analysts are counting on certain events this fall and. we in ukraine

are extremely worried about this. before moving on to the political situation in the united states, i want to say something to the ukrainian soldiers and their families. many of us in the west are watching what is happening in ukraine, and our hearts are with you. we greatly admire your courage and what you are doing. we understand what it's like to be in the dark, the cold, the dirt. we 've been through it too, just not in your circumstances. and not in such realities, but we know how hard it is for you, our hearts beat in time with yours, we admire your devotion, patriotism and self-sacrifice. i also want to say that those of us in the west who closely follow the course of the war admire the flexibility and speed of the response to the invasion in the kharkiv area, which was demonstrated by general syrskyi and the leadership of ukraine. russia hoped that it would be able

to break through and capture kharkiv, but... quick reaction, powerful leadership, as well as self-sacrifice of soldiers, prevented this to happen winning a war requires good leadership at the highest level, as well as strong will and determination at all levels. in my opinion, the flexibility demonstrated in the response to the invasions in kharkiv and sumy shows good top leadership. as for the us presidential election, we cannot predict what the outcome will be. the fight will be fierce, because everything depends. by how many americans vote. it is important that the issue of foreign policy during the election campaign is given the wrong attention a lot of attention the focus is usually on domestic issues such as gas prices, inflation, cost, food and unemployment. that is, there is a lot of talk about everyday things, and not about the complex matter of foreign policy. when trump talks about what he's going to do in ukraine, i think he's

looking that way. with support from putin. he wants more help from russia to win elections. however, my friends from the republican party firmly support ukraine and have no intention of giving up his position, in case trump is elected president, so you should not worry about his statements. you just have to understand who he is addressing when he delivers his speeches. in 2016, during the debate with hillary clinton or during. in one of his speeches, trump said: russia, if you can hear me, he knows that russia played an important role in him becoming president, and that's why he wants to get their support again. actually, the skill and character of ukraine will determine the further development of events. if president zelensky and others say that they are not going to negotiate or give up their territory, so

it will be. there's no way trump can make you do that, which is why i would n't care so much about our election. instead, focus as much as possible on building up your strength, preparing for next winter, restoring power, and working on the concept of victory. just so you understand, the concept of victory is not just a few soldiers standing near a board with a map. it demands sincere devotion to its people. but i believe there is a way to win, and i believe that ukraine will be able to do it. mr. general clarky, in the end, i would like to ask for your advice, perhaps we could address it to one of the ukrainian generals, perhaps to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, perhaps to colonel-general oleksandr syrskyi, what in your opinion should be done, for what should you pay attention? oh, i can't answer that question.