now i urge you not to worry especially about this, because we can find directions unexpected for us, where they will bring us more, more benefit and more benefit than those concessions that we can make in the course of negotiations, well it is interesting, but it seems to me that these negotiations will be difficult, difficult, they will be difficult, because they are about pragmatic interests, it is not easy, but if there is sympathy for ukraine , it is emotional, but european society, european nations, citizens , they they sympathize with ukrainians, they accept refugees, they pay some kind of social benefits there, they help if they can, they share clothes, food with everyone, this is done voluntarily for free, it is an emotional impulse, so to speak, and when it comes to the interests of business, how much money should be paid there taxes and to spend something on their own countries, then there is fierce competition, there is a pragmatic solution... there is no longer

sympathy there, if we are going to hunt , sympathize with us, then they have already sympathized with us, only in a different form, but here they are not not will sympathize, here it is necessary to agree, to seek compromises, to reconcile interests, to agree, obviously, on those conditions that are acceptable, not fatal for us, let's say, in the hope and expectation that we will adapt to them, adapt and be able to use them on our own smoking after some... not a relatively short period of time, let's bring this topic now to close the last question for you, often, well , probably after the beginning of the full-scale invasion, when we were invited to the european union on the accelerated basis, they talked like this, they drew the figure of 2030, is it a drawn figure, is it a real figure, it is optimal, i will say so, it is probably minimally possible, because there are... there are

technical limitations of the european union itself, it cannot be faster, because the adoption of new members, it provides for the allocation of funds for adaptation, for some transition period, for preparation for membership, that is, this too, by the way, funds will be allocated to us in order for us to prepare for the it takes time for that we need funds, and for this we need people, yes, three resources, three types of resources and... and in this plan, the european union plans its future budget, this budget is called the financial plan and it is concluded for up to seven years, but in the soviet union had a five-year period, here in the european union there is a financial plan, it is not a plan to fulfill, to over-fulfill, it is simply the way the budget is drawn up, the financial plan is for seven years, it allows for long-term strategic planning of certain things and progressive development, well, forward, without without... sharp

jumps, but without sharp falls, and the main thing is that the progressive can be planned for a long time, and in this current financial plan, it ends in the 27th year, from the 20th to the 27th year, and there these funds are not invested in the accession of ukraine, but in 2027 they will be included in the budget for the preparation of ukraine, and three years are given until 2030, approximately plus or minus a year or two, well, i think it is more. plus than minus , funds will be allocated already for preparation, so that ukraine is technically ready to be a member of this community, well, the 30th year is enough is so optimal, it is still planned and for this there must be political decisions in addition to technical preparation, there must be decisions of the european council, the european parliament has all these bodies, which are now elected after the elections to the european parliament, they have been functioning for 5 years, that is, again still... the 29th

year, the next convocation, the 30th, they will form their bodies and will be, perhaps, ready to make political decisions about ukraine's entry into this, this organization, this, this unification, well, plus one more point, which we also felt recently, after all the decisions there of the european council, the european parliament, the final decision will still be made through the ratification of the agreement on the accession of ukraine to the european union, its ratification not only in the european parliament. in all the parliaments of the member countries and here, if the hungarian-hungarian question or the problem of hungarian ratification in the hungarian parliament has already become for us now , well, such a sharp loud bell that we simply will not be, to our great regret, so i propose to stay still in brussels, but now let's change it a little, let's talk now about the war that the russians have been aggressively waging for more than two years, they are waging in ukraine, so here you are... while in brussels after a meeting with

the president, still the president of the european council, charles michel, volodymyr zelenskyy said, now i will quote, now we need develop a detailed plan. detailed steps regarding all the crises brought to our country by putin's war. we have months to come up with this plan, we don't have much time, we have a lot of wounded, killed, both military and civilian, so we don't want this the war lasted for years, so we have to prepare this plan and put it on the negotiation table at the second peace summit, if there will be any negotiations in the shadows, then it is not happening, then it is not about us, we want to do it openly, it is very important for us.. . it is important, given the fact that recently, mr. volodymyr, very often from russia, putin himself repeatedly speaks about this, pyaskov speaks, lavrov speaks, there are statements that no, no, we are open to these negotiations, this is ukraine does not want them, considering this, well, such as me, volodymyr zelenskyi's ambiguous statement,

because it seems to me earlier that he did not talk about so and so, can we talk about the fact that something is being said on the sidelines about the end of eyelashes? and we don't agree on something, something, something , well, you see, the current or modern, current ukrainian government, it is critically dependent on public opinion, they are guided by public sentiment, and if in society, in ukrainian society above all, some still have confidence in an immediate victory is a little understated, and everyone understands that the war is dragging on, there is fatigue and serious if dissatisfaction, well, such a public demand is being formed, after all, well, let's go on... somehow , let's end it with something, then also political, well, i don't know how to call them a class, but the prinai group, the ruling group, without a negative connotation , i'm talking now , they, they are also trying to communicate with and give signals to society that they are also working on this, that

they are also holding peace summits, that they are ready for negotiations, there is no longer such a categorical position as there was last fall, for example, but here.. . there is a problem, that's all if public communications, these are public statements, politicians talk about them, voters hear them, evaluate them accordingly, perceive them, this is, well , an effort to preserve, to preserve trust in oneself and to gain support, but of course, that somewhere somehow behind the screen behind behind the scenes, consultations, negotiations, exchanges. kami, all this is happening, well, we can read it from the events, if we do not take into account some such general, general phrases, beautiful phrases, clearly said in public, but to read the facts, events, steps, then, well, we can read the plain text said on

to the swiss summit and president zelenskyi and his head, the head of his office yermak, that the next summit will be held before the end of the year, they want to hold it and that he should record the end. war is what everyone would like to hear, good news, but i am critical of this , because i am critical from the point of view of the realism of the goal, i think that russia, the russians are not interested in negotiations with ukraine in general as they started such a war in ukraine with ukraine without announcing it to us war, even, and declaring war on a collective event. the actual declaration of war was the ultimatum on december 15, 2022, which the russian ministry of foreign affairs sent not to ukraine, but to the united states and the nato headquarters, that you should immediately get out there to the borders of 1997, this was an actual declaration of war, and they themselves say, we we are at war with the west, with

america, with someone else, just on the territory of ukraine, and they do not see ukraine as a negotiating partner or an international subject in general, because they denied our sovereignty. they have committed evil if ukraine is a subject of international law, then russia is a criminal, so they want to talk to the united states, in fact, and putin will wait, wait, until such a situation develops in america, when it wants to talk with putin and allows itself to do so the situation may develop, and it may change after the presidential election in the united states, or a little later after the new inauguration, or after some events, perhaps unexpected for us or for the americans, but which can be... provoked and be planned by the russian special services on the territory of the united states or on some other territory, and then they can comprehensively talk about many, many different things, this is how the russians would like there to divide the world, yalta, the yalta treaty, the second edition, the zone of interests and all such otherwise, i'm not

saying that the united states will agree to this, but the united states should proceed from this, from the understanding that exactly what kind of negotiations does vladimir putin want, wants, wants, not with ukraine, not with vladimir. to consider the whole world there or even the global south as an audience. not only him, but including him, this is a wide audience, the audience is so wide, then all the actors try to give the impression that they are for peace, that they are adequate, that they are against escalation, that they are constructive, that they are ready for negotiations , the ukrainian side shows this, and the russian side also pretends to show it, they say we are ready for negotiations, but our conditions are unacceptable, and they understand that there will be no such negotiations, but they are ready for negotiations. this is a fake position, of course, so we have it somewhere

about 8 minutes, i have two questions for you, i really hope that we will discuss them, let's not leave brussels yet, let's talk about the new, not yet appointment, but the agreement of the acting prime minister of the netherlands mark ruta on the post of nato secretary general. mr. volodymyr, i will tell you honestly, i read a lot about mark ryuta after i reconciled him. for this position, and from what i read, this is what immediately caught my eye, it is called a teflon brand, that is , something does not stick to it, it is in any situations he tries to find, and he can find consensus, he proved this during his tenure as prime minister, that is, when he created coalitions with groups that sometimes seemed impossible to unite, how do you think this teflon of mark rutte , will it play in our favor or? nevertheless, at some point he can say that let's sit down at the negotiating table, well, let's

do it, here it is necessary to immediately understand and record that the position of nato secretary general is not the nato leader, it is not the head of the organization, this is the secretary, his work and function is to coordinate the interests of all participants of this alliance of the organization, and accordingly work with all governments, because as we know, decisions are made by consensus and only... when they are made, then the secretary general of nato comes out with these decisions to the general public, makes a statement, and his job is to carry out the policy that is developed and determined by the euro-atlantic council, that is, it is a gathering of governments, heads of governments , or governments, or is at the level of ministers of foreign affairs, at the level of ministers defense, all of these are euro-atlantic councils, mark rutte is very interesting in this regard, i think that he will be very effective, very effective in this work, precisely in this function. he is possible, but you said teflon does not stop him, well, in principle, he does not

do something that would be blamed on him, yes, well, now we already know that he is, for example, single, he has no children, that he's a robotaholic, yes, he's just himself, he rides a bicycle to work because it's a habit, not because he doesn't have a car, but because he's used to it it's just that a person is so used to it, it's so convenient for him and he obviously doesn't go far. can afford, well, holland is generally a cycling country, it is fashionable, popular, that is, he is a professional politician, and this, by the way, is a benchmark, an example of the fact that politics is a profession, not just anyone can handle it, you have to be able to have it skills, to possess skills, and accordingly, to use this experience for the benefit of the whole nation, the whole country, and not only there for one's family or one's neighbors, one's friends, as is very often the case with others. countries that's why mark ruete can be such a reference secretary, yes, he is impeccable, what, what,

what is it called, well, but i repeat once again, the question here is that he copes with this task of coordinating and harmonizing the interests of all participants of this organization, the last stage, which was the approval of his candidacy, which he managed to pass, was to convince the prime minister of hungary, viktor orbán , to support his candidacy, well... by god , many people would not have been able to do it, but mark ryuta managed to do it, of course, a lot of credit goes to the current secretary, to the current secretary stoltenberg, who also worked with viktor orbán, previously visited budapest there and so on, well, i think that markrüte can be no worse, markrüte, as far as i remember, that's exactly what he promised to viktor orbán, that hungary will not participate in any... any military aid to ukraine, and thus he then persuaded mark viktor orbán to his yes, so

it was, and here i would also like to say that it is interesting that this because the discussion was going on or, well, from which country should have a secretary general, until now all of them were from western europe, this time the current president of romania, klaus iohannis, applied for this position, by the way, i think that he would also be a very, very good secretary general of nato, because with the current one. for example, mircea mircea juanne is now stoltenberg's deputy, he is a romanian politician, a former foreign minister, he is now the deputy secretary general, in principle romanians could also... be quite effective in this role, or so claimed the prime minister of estonia kalas, who is currently being nominated for the position of high representative for the security and foreign policy of the european union, i think that she will also have a great

chance of being elected, but what did i mean that eastern europe wanted to have its representative, because the threat to nato is coming from the eastern flank and... we here in the east of europe feel it better, understand it, and can, so to speak, expertly do it all the better, but no, the key, key role, perhaps informal, of these reconciliations of the interests of the general secretary is how to coordinate the interests of the united states with european states and countries, and when any contradictions arise between europe and america, holland is usually invited as a mediator. most interestingly, this is a trading nation, they know how to negotiate, they are open to the united states, because they are a maritime country, there, well , the mentality is like that, and they, and at the same time they are europeans, are unlike the british, they are not on an island on continent, and that is why very, very often the dutch are general secretaries, but i am ab defer not so, i was not so long ago,

i was also dutch, and the danes also perform well in this role, as we have seen now and the norwegians. in the same way, norwegian secretary general stoltenberg was elected for two terms and continues even further, and there was no way they could let him go, mr. volodymyr, thank you for this opinion, i really hope that mark rutte will still be in office, as you said, in the position of secretary general of nato, very helpful for ukraine, we literally have two or three minutes left, i still want to talk to you, in the evening, american time thursday in ukraine is... it was friday, four in the morning in the united states of america , there was a debate between the current president joe biden and the 45th donald trump, your impressions, because immediately after that, cnn and not only cnn wrote that did biden win, your opinion, not biden, but trump? trump, i'm sorry, yes, i read this opinion, i personally did not see all the debates

fragment fragment, well, just to emotionally read the information, well, to my great regret, it ... it appeared to be a show of weakness, and not only a show of weakness the current president due to psycho -physiological reasons, or age -related limitations, voice, posture, body language, and so on, if you don’t take into account the semantic argument, but just look at the picture, then trump dominated, was more confident, more brash, allowed himself, well... they both allowed themselves a lot, by the way, this is probably the first debate when the participants switched to personal insults, characterizing each other, and all this, unfortunately, showed us the weakness, the general the weakness of current american democracy, the fact that they held a debate before the election campaign started, well it already

looked like a test, let's test these two candidates, how do they do, and i'm with... that the democratic party is not happy with how it looked, will they now change the candidate, they will, they are already talking about it, they are already thinking about it, but they thought about it before, now they would show the voters clearly this problem that exists, but they will not be able to change him without his own personal decision , if joseph biden himself will decide, so to speak , to remove himself and whom... to hand over this baton to someone or to leave the issue to be decided by the party congress, then this decision is possible, if he does not decide it himself, then he can be replaced, well, hypothetically, it is possible at the congress , but it will be a scandal and it will worsen the situation for the democratic party, so they

will not go for it either, well, i think that the inertial scenario was the most likely, and they will meet again. november 5 in the ballot papers, mr. volodymyr, closing this topic of debate, the answer is two or three words: joe biden 2:0 for ukraine is it donald trump for ukraine if he wins the elections? well, i really like it, if it turns out to be pessimistic, then in one case it is a terrible end, in another it is an endless horror. of course. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for participating in today's program, today we talked a lot about ukraine with... in particular, about what was happening related to ukraine in the european union, about the appointment, how it will all be for ukraine in the future, how to be marked, well, we talked. very briefly, but about the american election. mr. volodymyr, thank you. volodymyr horbach, executive director of the institute of transformation of northern europe. eurasia, i'm sorry.

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every sunday at 3:30 p.m. with a repeat at 10:00 p.m. in collaboration with sister. friends, hello, today we will talk again about state cinema and again about what films we will watch in a year, two or three years, or at all, because as you know, according to our broadcasts, there is currently a fight around state cinema. .. a circle of contests that have passed quite recently, which may be recognized as illegitimate, and all these tapes, or rather, their authors who came

to ask for money, may remain... of them, and perhaps not, the situation is confusing, we will talk with andriy kotlyarem with the producer of babylon 13, he is one of those who signed a regular letter from the film community, this letter calls for careful monitoring of the elections of the council for state support of cinema, it is such a body for... state cinema, the members of which actually determine which projects in the competition are given money, which are not, and as a result determine which films we will watch, i.e. the members of the council, and they are actually the decisive people, i will say that the council that currently exists has been recognized as illegitimate, various

trials have been going on for a year and a new council must be chosen now. and now a large part of us is concerned film community, will this process be legal at all, well, while we are waiting for andrii, we will talk about elena kravyts, this is also quite a serious topic from my point of view, because you know a lot, we have some scandalous moments in show business and at first full-scale invasion, i think this is a positive trend, albeit a popular one. the opinion that tells us that we need to make less scandals, we need to fight less, but in the end, i think we fell far short of a full-scale invasion this is such a stormy discussion of our people, we say, we often discussed some russian bloggers there, well, olena kryvets gave an interview to the youtube channel rozmova, to the host serhiy lykhovod, and in this

interview she, in particular. showed, in my opinion, absolute misunderstanding, lack of reflection on that, and what harm the jokes of the 95th quarter brought, and she in this interview, her host, it was a very complimentary interview, we have, by the way, on there are practically no interviews on youtube, such harsh, more critical, and very often different celebrities they come to youtube bloggers in order to somehow show off, to show how nice they are, and the same thing happened to elena kravets, the presenter asked her, they said, you know, you have a lot of questions about the fact that the 95th quarter, in which elena worked for many years, and in particular blurred the borders between ukraine and russia, what do you say about that, i want to say for myself that the 95th quarter was not only engaged in this, because i had to watch their shows constantly and now i also have to watch for monitoring, and that's

well... not the only thing they did, like me, frankly malicious, they didn’t just make jokes about the little russians, they not only made fun of the ukrainian language, ukrainian culture, presented it through the prism of the russian point of view, calling it an ironic point of view, self-ironic, but agree that it’s one thing to laugh at yourself, and it must be done, of course, but it must not be done the way the russians have always done it. did, in the quarter and, by the way, in many there, on many series that are shown on our television, is happening, is being formed until now, this is exactly the image of a ukrainian in comedies, which we could see in various russian and soviet tapes there, and this still surprises me, and it surprises me that, frankly, olena kryvets still cannot understand what was wrong with the jokes

of the 95th quarter , despite the fact that during the full-scale invasion, since society has already begun to change, the quarter - no, they began to get into a lot of scandals, and they cannot understand, and where these scandals come from, it was still so good, well, let's listen to elena, that she said? it was not like we lived somehow apart from the whole country, you know, because humor was a bit of a reflection, our humor was a reflection. social events and political events, then in life we ​​did not live in the paradigm that we do something, well, you know, i even, i even, well, it always surprises me so, well, that is, shifting responsibility to the past, for what is happening now, it is possible, but there were many other events of the political and defense chorus.