i swear that we will definitely meet with you tomorrow, all is well, congratulations, friends, the saturday political club program is on the air, andriy smolii and vitaly portnikov, today we will have a slightly different format, two hours today. to the studio, yes, we discuss, discuss, talk about all the topics that concern you, that are important for the country, these are essentially military affairs and european union affairs, there will also be debates between biden and trump, ideological affairs, in short, everything will be , so now tune in to the fact that we'll be with you for two hours, so...

let's start, mr. vitaliyu, yes, probably, with military affairs, this week putin's next statements are again about missiles, about the production of shorter, short and medium- range missiles, well, his traditional scaremongering is that they will to produce, perhaps they will be placed somewhere in other countries of the world, perhaps it compares something with the way it does. non-atlantic alliance, as the united states of america does, because they often place their own missile systems in allied countries, but the question arises, where putin can deploy all of this, except we know which countries, well, nowhere else, in principle, putin’s resources are limited in this, because the only european country in which he can deploy his own weapons is the republic of belarus, he has already deployed nuclear weapons there weapons, it can... deploy missile

weapons, there is another territory that is essentially not a country, but which is an important bridgehead for intimidating the west, this is the kaliningrad region of the russian federation, which is essentially, consider another country, well if we talk about its geography, and not about politics, then officially it is part of the territory of the russian federation, but it is an exclave that is surrounded on all sides by countries that are members of nato, but at the same time it is not easy. is controlled by the russian federation and is part of the russian federation. and you know, i remember once, i came to svitlogorsk. and it was the beginning of the 2000s, the first attempts to civilize the kaliningrad region had already begun, because in soviet times there were no such attempts, it was just a completely neglected territory, even compared to neighboring baltic countries. which were also

soviet at that time is a clarifying question, but for the audience to understand, we understand that keninsberg, which was the real name before that, is kaliningrad, in fact, it was at one time a fairly, fairly prosperous city and a fairly prosperous region, why then the soviet union was so indifferent to this region, compared, for example, to... with others, with lithuania, well, compare with those, with those regions that it controls, yes, i can answer this question, they did not believe in, uh, constancy of borders, uh, until 1975, approximately before the signing of the helsinki act, the soviet leadership, of course, they did not say it out loud, but they were not sure that it was all theirs forever, and therefore for them the kaliningrad region was like a bridgehead, by the way, this is just a good question you asked andrii , because this applies to... both crimea and donbass, they

will never believe, even if they control it for a long time, that it is theirs forever, and if it is not forever, then it is necessary, let's say, to use it , not to develop. if you look at her moscow, yes, no only moscow, and kyiv, all these famous high-rises, they were built from koneksberg stones, they literally dismantled the old city center, it was in ruins, but many german cities, as you know, after... world war ii were in ruins, next to königsberg there is gdansk, the ancient city of danzig, which was completely restored by the poles, the central part, all of this was literally assembled piece by piece, why? because the poles treated gdańsk as their own city, yes, of course, they lived there with germans and other nations, but for them it was part of their, one might say, their hearts, they

restored it... and with joy and satisfaction, and when you come to kdansk now, you see an incredibly beautiful, ancient, medieval hanseatic city. when you come to kiniksburg, you see the khrushchevs. in the center of the city, here are some new chulyomushki built in the center of konniksberg, and even before the 70s, the ruins of the royal palace were in the center of the city, it could be restored, it was possible to make a medieval city center, the russians first wanted to destroy all, i would say such signs of the german presence, the only one. what they did not destroy is the cathedral where kan is buried, because it would be completely blasphemy, even for them, it remained in the center of this completely soviet terrible city, a medieval cathedral on an island where immanuel kant is buried, all always in the kaliningrad region , if you're wondering, all the people who

wanted to restore something were harassed, gagged and told that it's not necessary, i even remember that in the 90s there was a schoolboy who drove alone according to the old german ones... the guy himself tried to restore them, because he understood that this was simply something catastrophic happening to civilization, and the people who came there were completely bored, they did not understand where they were at all, and this it was also important, but why did i start talking about it, because when i came to this svitlogorsk, which was the famous german resort of rauschen, where all the nobles rested, and now in the center of this svyatlogorsk there is such a big poster that... svitlogorsk outpost russia, an outpost, well, an outpost, such a resort, and i was traveling with a person who took care of some hotel, apartments there, i told him, well, listen, you must be glad that you now have holidaymakers, since in neighboring lithuania , where there is simply no place for an apple

to fall in the palanquin in the season, and he tells me, listen, it would be better if we had rockets, and i tell him, why do you have rockets, you need rockets, they were afraid, this is an ordinary person, what a... whose business is to rent out hotel rooms and apartments to tourists, but she had them missiles are needed, that's why when i hear from donald trump that he can explain something to vladimir putin, i would like to buy him a ticket for a flight to gdańsk, and that he drove from there to kali to svitlogorsk, found this person and tried her first to explain why hotels are better than missiles if donald trump succeeds. and i think that he will not succeed, he will have a heart attack, he will die in svitlogorska, there will be a beautiful memorial to him, so if he succeeds, he could then calmly go to vladimir putin, but through svitlogorsk, and this is also the place where they can place these weapons, because it is just very unnerving, but cuba, no,

some other latin american countries, that is , no one, no, they do not have such an opportunity for these 2, have you heard anything from cuba in 5 years? that cuba would like to help the russian federation, that it is in solidarity with it, that they are trying to do something to improve the situation of the russians, that they are against these american insidious actions against russia, they say something, they sit quietly because they understand, what is needed to balance, even if not between the united states and russia, but between latin america and china, they need a more or less calm development, even the current cuban... virginity, because the days of the infamous fidel castro, who was ready to place missiles in himself, have passed , this is a completely different story, we know an absolutely specific number of countries that are countries that accept the status of exiles in the international arena and are ready to cooperate with russia on such

a plane, this is the so-called democratic people's republic of korea north korea is essentially the lpr, the dpr on the korean peninsula, i must be honest, it is also... the islamic republic of iran, but look, iranians, even half of iranians do not come to the elections, and those who do, the majority of them vote for a person who advocates improving relations with the united states of america, does this say something about the mood in society? well, this is the second such country, let's say myanmar, but it cannot host russian weapons, but it is ready to cooperate with russia there, and that's it, everyone others countries that have good relations with russia, they can perform some acrobatic figures there, like the countries of central asia, for example, and belarus, of course, we forgot about belarus, well , they have already deployed nuclear weapons in belarus, and iskander installations, that's all, but i don't understand why you are so concerned about it

specifically from the point of view of deployment, don't forget that russia is very big, the united states deploys its weapons in allied countries, on other continents, so they themselves are located in north america. in north america, and in order to provide some opportunities in the asia-pacific region and in eurasia, they need allies, and russia itself in euroasia and... and just right, as you say, they need allies in latin america, but they don't really want to post anything now, that time has passed. by the way, about another deployment, north korea is allegedly sending its engineering troops to ukraine, or its engineers, yes, they will allegedly be stationed on the territory of the donetsk region, occupied by, yes, the so-called lpr, so... what does this indicate this already and you believe that it will be engineer troops, not people, no, well, we say so,

engineer troops, because at least this is official data, yes, but we well understand that it can be other types of troops, this may be, it may be, relatively speaking, some administrative staff, and moreover, let's be honest, analysts have already recorded in the occupied territory. in fact, russia in ukraine recorded north korean workers who came and worked in our territory, they actually have a workforce there in order to to carry out some certain things, construction, some auxiliary functions for the russian troops, for the russian, as for the russian occupation regime, as the personnel are, so what are the so-called... engineering, yes troops, supposedly, well, they can be done in different ways to name, this is already the fulfillment of these

agreements that were made during putin's visit to kimchynin, or is this after all the policy of two such terrorist states, agreements about which were already made before, no, i think that agreeing on what is northern - the korean military can enter the territory... of ukraine, this must be agreed upon personally with putin, as we do, you cannot agree on it through the ministers of defense or through some advisers, you must talk about it personally, and by the way, i absolutely admit that putin could go to north korea with two goals: the first goal - this is to provoke kimchinin to some kind of war with south korea, maybe in a hybrid way, but to constantly maintain tension, this is an absolutely real thing, and the second one is also absolutely. the only thing is that he could arrange for some part of the korean military,

north koreans, of course, got into the occupied territory of ukraine, and by the way, there is logic in this, because you understand, this whole kim dynasty, it constantly trades north koreans, as if they are their slaves, they always send them somewhere to work, by the way, in the soviet union, in the russian federation, these people receive pennies. most of their money goes to the state budget of the dprk, and this is the use of slave labor - it is not even migrant labor, because these people are not migrants at all, they are basically just prisoners in those places where they are sent to work, and by and large, and these soldiers who arrived in ukraine, if this happens at all, of course no one will ask them either, but he can get money for it. from russia, he now realized that he can receive, let's say, rough money, which

may not be an alternative, but an important addition to the money that the people's republic of china gives to north korea, that is , the people's republic of china has built economic relations with them , so they can just survive because she knows what they still won't go anywhere, nobody needs them, when, by the way, here again donald trump... tried to agree with the kimchans that the united states would provide serious economic assistance to north korea, met with him twice. kimchanin just used donald trump. he did not agree with these proposals. if he gave up the nuclear program in exchange for some american aid, this aid would create some conditions for chinese-style reforms. he had a completely different one country, but he does not need it. you know, he needs everything to obey him completely, so that no one can. could not even a butterfly fly from flower to flower there without his instructions, you know that

they control even butterflies on the spot there, and from this point of view, andrii, you can absolutely clearly say that the situation is simple, in putin's all these kim talks have such an important plot, troops for money, a possible conflict with south korea... putin is going to pay for all this to korea for money. the question arises: what? it already a good question, but that's it. can we consider the participation of the rooster... of the north korean military directly in hostilities against ukraine. can this be? well, relatively speaking, like cannon fodder. now they are using part of the russians as cannon fodder, but let's say that in order to preserve some part of the russians there, or at least in order to replenish these losses that we see every day, in fact, now the losses

of the russians there more than 500 thousand, 541 thousand as of now. for today can they use 10k, 20, 50 if needed 100, perhaps in order to, conditionally speaking, use them in assaults, in meat assaults, so-called, which take place almost every day on the front line, well, there are two options here, or they will be participants in hostilities, but i think , that this is also a very risky story for kinchinin, huh, because it can lead to increased sanctions. to increased isolation, or these troops will formally perform non-combat functions, again, giving the russians the opportunity to release, and by the way, this could be such an idea as a response to the proposal of french president emmanuel macron, think in this direction,

emmanuel macron said that nato troops could be present in ukrainian. territory, but for carrying out non-combat operations, remember, this is demining, engineering works, that's all, after he proposed it, a long and so far fruitless discussion began, as it always happens in the west, and even this the coalition of instructors, which the french president was going to create, it is not working yet, i think that now macron is primarily busy with extraordinary parliamentary elections in the country, we will... talk about it, in particular in the politclub program, we will talk about it on the espresso tv channel, also about the results of the first round of these elections, but while macron proposes it, putin does it simply differently, he still time shows that his allies, unlike the west, do not think, well, the west is thinking of allowing ukraine to fire on the territory

of the russian federation, how many kilometers deep, how much to do it and so on, but the west along with this... now finally agreed to the possibility of such strikes, and iran and north korea never asked, did they, what do they do with their weapons? the iranian shaheds, we saw literally immediately, as soon as they began to arm the armed forces of the russian federation throughout the territory of ukraine, and in the morning they did not say, let’s use them only in the border strip, no, the same is the case with north korea, no questions will ask, and here it is... such a demonstration that dictatorships, unlike democracies, are easily overcome any red lines, we have to take a break, literally pause for three minutes, and we 'll be back with this topic, the next topics, don't switch, tingling, numbness, or

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political club. every sunday at 20:10 at espresso. saturday political club, live broadcast. we are coming back. today, i remind you of two. we have hours of communication with vitaly portnikov, we discuss, discuss, analyze, well , we return to our actual military such block of today's saturday political club, we still have one very interesting issue that needs to be discussed and to discuss, it's about the possibility of ukraine handing over eight patriot systems that are now owned by israel, which are used by israel, but which... it doesn't seem to be using, he wrote them off, if i'm not mistaken, they're 30 years old, and they, they are in israel, but it is not entirely possible, and the united states of america is

now conducting a diplomatic and political discussion with israel, precisely in order to bring these patriot installations, of which there are eight, to at least eight pieces, so that they can be transferred to ukraine. once again , the question is that they are 30 years ago, they are either practically not used or not used at all, but they can be modernized, but in such a way that they can, like any, any american weapon, be modernized, repaired, adapted to modern realities, given the opportunity they use different computer technologies there, mr. vitaly, this is a large number. it's a large number, it's basically, it's about the fact that ukraine asked for seven patriot installations, well at least seven, in order to close

such key cities, key facilities, we are now received two or three installations, well, parts, part of which is currently being trained by our military, and if we talk about this possibility, it is real and what a time perspective, i think that if... they talk about it in the media, then it is absolutely already real , if it was n't real, there wouldn't be information about it, uh, secondly, if it is firstly, secondly, if it happens, it is by and large a major change in the politics of israel itself, because remember that from the first days of this war, israel, fearing russia's reaction and possible destabilization of the situation on syrian front, conditional, tried very carefully. behave precisely from the point of view of supplying weapons to ukraine, humanitarian aid yes, hospitals, doctors, political support yes, but only not weapons, and it was

tough enough, and you know that the prime minister of israel and navtali benet and benjamin netanyahu except tomy lapida, by the way, these were the people who continued yair lapida, i’m sorry, to communicate with vladimir putin, they had contacts, well, the truth is, navtali benet , volodymyr zelensky himself asked to speak with such mediating mission, but beni... nobody asked netanyahu anymore, he communicated with putin not very, i would say in such pleasant tones, but i spoke with him already during this great middle east war, which began after october 7 of last year. so, if the israeli government agrees to provide these installations, it means that they have already realized that russia is no longer their security partner in the middle east, even conditionally, because what were they afraid of anyway? let's say that the russians will close the sky. syrian and thus make it impossible for the israel defense forces will create unnecessary problems for the destruction of certain facilities on syrian territory of radical syrian

groups. and the iranian facility, you remember that israel in damascus destroyed one of the facilities, which was located next to the iranian embassy in syria, where one of the main saboteurs from the so-called islamic revolutionary guard corps, a known terrorist, uh, died oh, but now it has become clear that russia will still not agree on anything else, that it can no longer be counted on, because it is not with israel counts, and this is a very important point, as you understand, related to... with what is happening in the middle east and in the position of israel, but let's look carefully at the position of ukraine, this also needs to be analyzed. you may remember that when there was a topic regarding the visit of volodymyr zelensky to jerusalem after october 7, i was a strong supporter of this visit. and he said that it is not so much necessary for israel as for us to show the civilized world that we are in the same

situation, so to speak, that we are in the same boat, that israel was attacked by a terrorist organization, we were attacked by a terrorist state, and at first the americans were also very eager for this, but netanyahu, he was in no hurry then with this visit by zelensky, because he was afraid of the russian reaction again, and then zelensky himself was in no hurry to go, and statements began here that we do not need to go to israel in such a situation, when the countries of the global south are offended by it. "they will have a difficult relationship with us, and i remember that one of my colleagues even wrote an article in which he said that zelensky's in an ethnic jew, such emotions are beginning to prevail over the national interests of ukraine, and i was very surprised by this, and now i have a good question for all these, i would put it mildly, unprofessional people in the ukrainian so-called international media , in

the ministry of foreign affairs of country in the president's office, why do we need weapons of the patriot system or beautiful photos for peace forums, who will give us weapons anyway? antigua and barbuda, venezuela, bahrain, qatar, oman, great, they came, theirs the leaders took a picture with volodymyr zelenskyi, shook his hand, it was a miracle. but what do we need so that our infrastructure is not destroyed, we do not exchange a handshake for security, we exchange a handshake for a beautiful communique, which in itself means nothing from the point of view of the possibility of ending the russian-ukrainian war in the coming years. then the question arises: what do we need, besides these beautiful photos with the president of ukraine in the center, although i am new. i say, i

always said, you too can testify that the peace summit is diplomatically a very good thing, diplomatically, but ukraine can win only in one way, with weapons and money, weapons and money, this is the most important moment that we should always talk about, and we should build relations with countries that can give us weapons, and money, some kind of documents in any 150 countries of the world... we would certify their support, simply put, we don't need them, because these countries will certify our support even when ukraine is no longer really on the political map of the world, when its entire territory will be occupied by the russians, and then the president of the émigré government of ukraine, even volodymyr zelenskyi will come to the un and everyone will applaud him, he will welcome everyone and everyone will vote for the fact that ukraine should restore its

territorial integrity. he will have an office somewhere on the fifth avenue. why is this necessary? why bring it to this point? and by the way, it was the same with many countries of the world. well, they had international support. well, by the way, a beautiful middle eastern example is palestine. we even have one for ivan fedorov. there is an ambassador feels very well, goes to some diplomatic meetings. this is the palestinian so -called president mahmoud. danbas decides whether to go to the peace summit or not, he didn't come, only there is no palestine, and it may not arise, well, most of the member states of the united nations organization, this non-existent virtual palestine, which the inhabitants of its arab part never managed to create after the famous un resolution in 1948, they get the full support of the majority, so what if there is no real political solution, it is nobody's business.