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live on the espresso tv channel, the second part of the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, and in the next 45 minutes we will talk about the following. tough day for joe biden. most americans believe that donald trump defeated the incumbent president in a debate. which of the us presidential candidates looks more promising for the future of ukraine. rising star of russia. oleksiy arestovich gave three interviews to opposition russian bloggers in one week. why are the russians promoting the former adviser to the office of the president of ukraine? cleaning in zelenskyi's team. the scandalous cases of tyshchenko, borzov, tymoshenko and golyk. what is happening in the environment of the head of state and what may be the consequences. we will talk about all this. you

after you friends join the our survey, today we ask you about whether you believe that trump is capable of ending the war in ukraine, yes, no, please vote on youtube, using the appropriate buttons or your own opinion, please write in the comments under this youtube video, like this video, and if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you believe trump can end the war in ukraine, 0800 211381, not 0800. 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free and vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. today, like every friday , we have a traditional journalism club, so i want to introduce the guests of our program, this is bohdan butkevich, a journalist, radio presenter and host of two youtube channels, cernet and the bisika show. bohdan, i congratulate you. i congratulate you and the audience serhiy. thank you. and olga led, my

colleague, journalist of the tv channel, author and host of the war information chronicles. olga, i congratulate you. congratulations. well, gentlemen, since, ladies and gentlemen, since we ask ours viewers about whether they believe that trump is capable of ending the war in ukraine? i'm going to ask you in a quiz format, we'll talk about the debate in literally two minutes, but in a quiz format, how would you answer this question, or? do you believe that trump is capable of ending the war in ukraine, olga? no, of course, he is not capable of doing this in any way, moreover, he absolutely, in my opinion, does not, well, does not understand the reality around this, that is , he says something that he thinks sounds very vivid, he tries to guess some a certain american audience has an impression of life there and speaks with appropriate slogans, but he does not understand the reality of this policy at all. well, that is, it was visible

even from the fact that he was talking, the war would never have started, he was the president when the war was in full swing, well, why didn’t he end it, well, the question is rhetorical, bogdan, well, you definitely need to understand, that, of course, he is now saying what his voters want to hear, and most importantly, he needs to show everything he says, in fact , trump needs to understand that he needs to be shown, that biden is not capable of action, he is so active, cool, and he can do it alone... it all boils down to two things, that biden is weak and that the border, border, border, border. everything else is actually like that, a derivative and ukraine, believe me, it was far from the most important role played there by the internal ones, and what if he can end this war, well, look, theoretically, of course, the american president has quite serious powers in order to actually do some very serious things, but still let's go. do not forget that there is a congress

democratic, and, oh, excuse me, the senate, where the democrats are in the majority, and a very, i would say, tight situation in the congress, where the republicans have a majority of where... three votes, it can be destroyed at any moment, so i don't think that trump, even if he really thought something like that and wanted to, that he is able to do it quickly, because there are too many different, let's say, safeguards for this, it's another thing that i don't rule out, what exactly is he asking issue of ukraine, he will try, if he becomes the president, he will try to decide as quickly as possible for what, because everybody likes to start with a small victory war, so to speak, if he decides that this type of topic ... is rating effective for him, well, i would not underestimate the fact that this person can rush with all the passion of his nature to the fact that it will turn out, that is another question, but i would not rule out this moment, i would take it into account in our, so to speak, scenario planning , the possibility that he decided that it should

be done, unfortunately, thank you bohdan, well actually we have to explain to our viewers who have not watched this debate, this is the first time this has happened round of these pre-election de. two more politicians, because now they do not have official status as presidential candidates, there will be an official debate only in september, it was the first round of pre-election debates, it took place in the cnn studio in atlanta, it lasted 90 minutes, it was a rare case of an early debate, because once again, they are not the official candidates of their two parties, and this debate was heavily moderated. participants were expressly prohibited from interrupting each other, because during past debates held in in 2020, trump interrupted biden quite often, and decided not to repeat this trick on air, and hired two moderators, jake tapper and dana besh, they had the ability

to stop two opponents or two debaters at any time, after the debate took place in the new york times political columnist thomas friedman wrote that biden should drop out of the presidential race, and i quote what thomas friedman said, he wrote, or rather, i can't remember a more frantic moment in american presidential politics in my entire life, precisely because he showed joe biden that a good person and a good president should not be re-elected. olga, is it possible... you can judge by the physical condition or by the condition in the questions and answers about biden, can he run for president or can he not run for president 81 to trump 78, but again, this is how valery chaly said

literally before our broadcast in the previous broadcast, he told me that it is the fact that american politicians are already at a respectable age, it is much better than young people... in ukrainian politics, that is, two extremes, but still, well, what in what is your impression of what happened, how did it happen exactly in relation to the age condition of, let's say, two candidates? well, you know, you can say as much as you want about the fact that in general, well, a person's ability to provoke, to evoke some emotions during a debate is not an indicator of whether he will be good or not. mr. president, that the professionalism of a politician is in no way related to the way he speaks or answers any questions, that's all the way it is in reality, but what is the problem for these debates, these debates were held, well itself, it was the democrats' idea to hold

these early debates now, they were hoping to show that all the questions about biden's age, about the fact that he's not as lively there, trump don't make any sense, and we're seeing the result, the result turned out to be really amazing for them, that is, everything that they tried to refute from the point of view of mass communication, as a result, this debate intensified it, that is, i am not talking now about the reality of who is a better president, who is better, who is better at managing the state, because it is clear , what biden is a much more experienced politician in this matter.

which has to be reckoned with, that is, as a result, it is biden's associates who are demoralized by these de... it can play a very bad joke, because as a result they may simply not come to the boxes, they may simply refuse. trump will just win because she will get to the ballot box itself and that's it, that can happen and well that's a big danger, yeah, that's the issue they've been trying to get off the agenda, what could be another the candidate of the democratic parties, on the contrary, became the order of the day, because they started in the party, well , let's go there... to publicly discuss that it might be worth changing the candidate, this is also the result of these debates, this is a bad result, this is a bad

result, and in the end, i just i want to say about such a perhaps not obvious thing, you know, would we not be discussing biden's physical condition now, or whether he can speak there for a long time and speak better than trump, if only one thing happened, if during the presidency of biden in. .. the country was taking away its territories, would repel the russians and go forward, but if ukraine had succeeded in the war, all these problems for biden would simply not exist, because he would have the appearance of a person who is fighting successfully for democracy in the world, which is bad guys who commit aggression, he really confronts them, and this is the result that this is not happening, that now biden's team has to talk about his... physical health, this is the result of their political mistakes. they made a big

political mistake when they bet on that the war, the war must be long, protracted, they will gradually exhaust russia, for some reason they forgot that gradually exhausting russia, they are exhausting ukraine as well, and that it is not a little disproportionate to the size of the country, and that if all that they provided us with... in the summer of 23, they provided in the summer of 22 , but today's problems of biden simply would not exist, well, that is, in fact, we are now seeing the result of his political mistakes. thank you olga, bohdan, these debates were not mandatory, because they are mandatory the debate will take place in september, when there will already be official candidates for the presidency of the united states of america, and it is absolutely obvious that this is such a touchstone, probably koman'. democrats, whether biden will pass these debates are official only later, because now, in principle, these

debates, well, unless they can measure there the support for trump 63% against 37%, for biden, and why exactly did the americans have to do these debates and is biden really unable to govern, as everyone is already starting to whisper about it, but so is trump in principle. he, as olga said, is not as well-prepared a politician as biden, because trump is such an adventurer, a political adventurer, in principle, and he was such an adventurous dude during his first presidential term, and he remains so now, because it is not clear what to expect from him. well, first of all, i absolutely agree with you that this is 100%, rather, it was an initiative of the democratic headquarters. well, look, the question is that it is really too big. sorry, it's the same again, you mentioned this friedman column today, a very cool column, i also

read it this morning, and he writes such things there, which are also very interesting, about what i also said until the end, like i thought because of personal meetings with biden, like, he is absolutely ok and everything is fine with him, there are no questions, but he says that in the last few months, i don't know what really happened, well, i don't know, maybe he has more health problems, i will remind you that the american press is very fond of agreeing that he actually has progressive parkinson's disease. i don't know if that's true, but hey this is often enough, i will repeat myself in the american press, well, that is , it is impossible to dismiss the fact that mr. biden’s physical condition has deteriorated a little, especially this, well, you understand, in america it is absorbed every day, believe me very hard, i am not saying anymore about how the russian brotherhood helps with this and so on, what i am leading to, and it seems to me that these debates were necessary in a certain sense, but you very correctly said so that the democrats themselves would look at biden and understand, and in general that if the story takes off or not. and i i want to say that in fact it is now clear, they are now giving comments that no one will change anyone there and so on, but

first let's wait for the next polls of public opinion and see the ratings after these debates, because again , according to of what is already being published, trump is recognized as the winner by 2/3, but in the grand scheme of things, it really didn't matter what they were going to talk about, because it was obvious that trump wouldn't have... much to say , and it didn't happen, he, i well, i say, he had an answer there, you know , like the boy’s downan, what can you say about that on january 6, 21, why did you give the command that... but at the time when we were storming there white house, we had no problems at the border, well, just so that you understand what this debate was, how trump conducted this conversation, how it all happened, and what i am leading to, in fact, the main intrigue and task of mr. biden but at these debates it was proved that he is energetic, that he

still can, it seems that there is still time for calculators and so on, unfortunately , i don't know if it's a pity or not, it depends. from someone who likes someone there, but he could not prove it. that is, yes, it is clear that now the fact-checkers have already found dozens of facts of trump's lies. yes, of course, biden was much more clear in terms of facts, but you understand very well that this is still a story about emotions, it's not so important what you say, it's how you say it. and here, unfortunately, mr. biden showed that such, unfortunately, are fears about physical state, they all, well, let's say this, they, unfortunately, have... soil under them, and therefore i would not rule out, now, of course, no one will remove anyone from the elections and so on, but i will remind you that in republicans, actually this convention, where they will nominate their candidate, well, it will be trump, finally, i think it will be in july, and in the democratic party, if my memory serves me correctly, there are some numbers in my opinion 9, it seems to be august 9, and i would

not rule out that now they will be very, very actively studying, so to speak... these surveys, they will be very active study the opinion of party sponsors, so i would not be 100% sure that it is joseph biden who will become the candidate of the democratic party, of course, the decision should be made by him personally, but again, thank you for reminding mr. serhiy about this a column, a very cool column, where mr. friedman wrote very clearly that he very strongly advises mr. biden to step aside because he showed that unfortunately, well... everything has to go and like he's a very cool dude and friedman has it is very well written about what kind of humanity there is now stands on the threshold of just gigantic changes, there is artificial intelligence and this and that and it will apply to every person on earth and that young joseph biden would be a very cool person to lead all these changes but unfortunately not the biden who was, these are not my words,

thank you you reminded me that thomas friedman wrote today in the new york times, well, you know, he's probably one of the coolest public intellectuals in america, so i can only quote and agree with his words, well, besides the fact that he's one of the coolest democrats, actually, he really supports biden, that is, he is not a person from the republican party, he is exactly the democrat who should vote for biden, let's be honest, let's wait for the official nomination of the two candidates, let 's see who will be in the real debate that will take place in on september 24th, i will remind you that in november the presidential elections of the united states of america will be held, the host of the white house should visit the residence on january 21st, when it will be the 25th year, when the inauguration of the new president of the united states of america will take place. i remind friends that we are live and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching us live now, there please subscribe to our pages, like this video and also take part in our

survey, today we you we ask about this, do you believe that trump is capable of ending the war in ukraine, because he talked a lot about this ability. about the possibility of ending this war, including during the debate, so on youtube yes, no, or your own opinion, please write in the comments under the video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you believe that trump is capable of ending the war in ukraine, 0800 211381, no, 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will match the results of this vote, and so far... the united states of america and democrats, republicans are determined, or will be determined by their candidates for the presidency of the united states of america, a potential candidate for the presidency of ukraine was depicted, well, at least in an interview with ksenia sabchak oleksiy aristovych announced that he will run for office in the next elections in ukraine,

arestuvych gave three interviews in the last week, and they came out ... interviews in russian public and on and they were all given to good russians the so-called ksenia sabchak, who is close to putin's family, ekaterina gordeeva, dmitry bykov, in an interview with the russian blogger bykov, aristovych spoke in favor of freezing the war in ukraine along the current front line. let's listen to what aristovych said. advice for... advice freeze on the current line of fire: summit transformation peace talks about collective security and holding elections in ukraine, he has no chance in ukraine, that's all. macron is begging, together with the chinese, to cease fire for the duration of the olympics, conditionally

not to fire for a month and a half from july 15 to august 10, after that it will be very difficult to start firing again, believe me, the majority in both russia and ukraine will be against the resumption of fire, and this neither putin nor zelensky will be able to ignore the opinion. well, actually today we are talking about aristovych, as a person who is being actively promoted by russian bloggers, and i already said ksenia sabchak, she also interviewed oleksiy aristovych, what he said there, we will talk a little later, olya, is it clear that russia in this situation is betting, well, on the conditional zelensky 2:0, i don't know, i i call him anti-green, but he is a person who will run for president, as he says. of ukraine and it is clear that these interviews that they took during this week are not directed primarily at the russian audience, which, you see, there is a seemingly

illegitimate president zelensky, but there is such a clever oleksiy aristovych, who is there ready to freeze the war along the demarcation line and generally ready to talk about something, they say, there are adequate people in ukraine, well, you know, they are, well, first of all, they are the same russians, who is the oppositionist ksenia sobchak, well, who is khreschena putin or who she is, well, that is, don't tell me that the other is the same gardieva, what kind of husband she has or who is an employee of the russian intelligence community, that is, there are some rather strange connections, let's put it bluntly. in fact, well, this is one of those big ones attempts to pressure ukraine in some way to

induce capitulation, yes, that's it, and i would say that arestovych is not playing the role of zelensky 2:0, but medvedchuk 2:0 here, because this is an attempt to find a candidate who would be pro-russian. but it didn't work out with medvedchuk, because he simply caused disgust in ukraine, even in his own camp, the pro-russian ones did not vote for him, well, they were not ready to vote, because he is simply disgusting on a physical level, he is very antipathetic, here they are they found a new one, they are promoting it, stretching it like that, i wouldn't say what it was only aimed at an exclusively russian audience, these interviews are precisely aimed at that well, let's say, such, you know, still russian-speaking audience that exists in ukraine. in russia, there is a tendency to exaggerate the size

of this electorate and the size of this audience, they are constantly fooling themselves by thinking that this is a huge part of the ukrainian population, and again they seized power in banderivka, that is, they estimated victory. zelensky in such a way that it was finally the pro-russian forces who won, and then the benders somehow seized power, as they seized power after that, well, it’s a mystery, but that’s the way it is, they are preparing such a candidate again, they believe that this is finally the pro-russian forces will win in ukraine, they will then simply hand over ukraine to russia, and yes, this is such a candidate , which they are preparing absolutely consciously, and it is not necessary to assume here that this does not happen, moreover, as i have already said, now it is the same... which no longer shines as directly as some person who claims to be a heguleiter here, but rather as such a more shady person, well, he has after all he already has a russian passport, but he has now been given

large budgets for the actual work with ukraine, this is directly to him again, and he is actively working, i do not even rule out that he works with the same arestuvych, maybe that is why these interview, that is, i don't know, for sure, but it is possible... to assume that there are some such connections, so, i think, it is medvedchuk 2:0, with everyone around him now they will try to destroy the eyes, you know, the remnants of opzh, of sharia, which has completely burned out, of all these, in fact, such muddy pro-russian forces, will now be to gather around aristovych. bohdan, you are on your youtube channels, i will once again remind our viewers of the names of these channels, they are censoranet and showboys, you can go down. what statements

he is making, these three big interviews that appeared on e-e for the russian public and for the ukrainian pro-russian public, they testify that he has already gained support, or is he still trying to sell himself to the russians, have the russians in some way already seen this niche in which there can be arrestees, it is clear that opz is prohibited, shariy is prohibited and there are many 20% or? 15% of the people who chose these political projects and voted for these projects still exist somewhere in ukraine. well, i'll say this, i'm not going to lie, i didn't watch this interview, because i've had this bastard for a long time, well, i don't know, to be honest, well, i just don't know how to explain to you viewers, just watch there are people whose voice and facial expression

give me a gag reflex, i don't know, i watched as a child how my parents' generation watched all kinds of people kashpirovskys, you know, there are some malanov chumakovs, there are some other mari devi christos, i don’t know, when i look at ristovych, i immediately see an effervescent, well, that is that catchy voice, disgusting manners, i don’t know, in me here is the impression that there is a real crook sitting in front of you, here is a crook, sorry for the russian word, there is no other way to say it, this is a crook, and well, i just want to say a big hello to everyone... to all those ukrainian politicians who did, gave the opportunity to this crook to become what he became, to get a podium, especially, of course , a huge thank you to president zelenskyi, it’s true that aristovych repaid him, as a real crook should, look, to be honest, i’m very happy that russia wants to give money to aristovych, i’ll explain why, i won’t get tired of talking about it that the russians, thank god, do not respect us, they really still consider us one nation, and that is very good, let them

continue to think so. why, because when they begin to think of someone as a different people, they begin to study him very carefully, and i tell you that they are quite good at get into the heads of the americans, the british, the germans, the french, because they understand that these are other people, and it is necessary to fight seriously against them, as for us, they still consider us the wrong version of the russians, and therefore every time the russians try to impose something on us that they invented themselves, it turns out to be complete bullshit, as always, look at all the grant-narratives of the russian prop... in the last 10 years from the 14th year about the fact that we have a civil war, and not the war, about the fact that we don't have a country, about the fact that ukraine is not a real country, there are no ukrainians, there is boo-boo-boo, русский язык, nothing happened, but nothing happened, why, because they really do not bother to study ukrainians in a real way, but instead, friends, what in they're brilliant, they're brilliant at exploiting our mistakes, that's where they see the pain point, oh, from there they start pushing with all their strength and they're

doing great. go immediately and look, as soon as our wonderful government gives a wonderful opportunity, active action immediately begins, mobilization, there will be crimea in three days, two or three weeks, blah-blah-blah, everything is being used all the time and it works perfectly, therefore, regarding aristovych, see if he has any audience, well, in a certain sense, of course he does, but it is already specific , not ukrainian, according to what i remember just the other day, another study of the rozumkov center came out, if i remember... oristovych's level of rejection is 69, or the anti-rating seems to be 70%, something like that, well i.e. almost 3/4 of people, understand, this person is no one in ukraine, no adequate person he will not be accepted, can he have any supporters, they certainly can, just like any swindler, swindler, charlatan, well , there will always be some ram or lamb, i don’t know how to correctly

take the feminine form of the word ram in... probably, yes, who will like it, it’s a blion, but honestly, if they decided that they will return aristovych to ukrainian politics, well, thank god, honestly, i am much more afraid that russia will someday have the sense to bet on him a public pro-russian person, to a person who is the opposite won't publicly shout that she's russian, that she's separated in ukraine and so on, no, but quietly find someone, you know, like a goat, and he won't shout that let's go to... from russia and so on, well , that is, what is actually always very, well, russia has never been able to do softpaw, if they are really going to invest, i will repeat aristovych, i am not sure, by the way, friends, that this is so, because look, well, we must not forget, what about all these, all these nasty bloggers, all these latin bastards or whoever i was interviewing there, well of course they cooperate in everything, it is understandable, that is, when it is necessary, they say, there is a comrade major, we will do everything, of course, yes, but they are still bloggers with us.