socialism and dictators, and juntas, and mass murders and so on, and the war with britain, well , in short, there is a lot to talk about, but the european commission called the opening of negotiations on ukraine's accession to the european union a key moment, which many ukrainians dreamed of, i won't say , that all, but certainly many, and i belong to these many, so this week it was officially announced at the intergovernmental conference. that is, these are now the official words not of ukrainians, but of europeans, that we are starting negotiations, but this is only the first stage, as if feeling out the situation, understanding each other, this is an important stage, but it is only the first, now the preparatory process begins, just prepare, i repeat, the preparatory process for the main part begins, that is, you still have to live to the main part. that

's what our story will be about, then there will be advertising, and then vasyl furman, doctor of economic sciences, and about the imf, we will talk about the money that our western partners want and can give us, and how much money is in ukraine in general, in short, this a number of issues that are of interest to all ukrainians, because money is of interest, i will tell you, frankly, not only ukrainians, but any person in the world. now the plot, and then the advertisement. on february 28, 2022, the fifth day of the full-scale russian invasion, it is already clear that putin's blitzkrieg has failed, but the fate of kyiv has not yet been decided. under such conditions, ukraine submitted an application to join the european union. our goal is to be together with all europeans, and the main thing is to be on equal footing. i'm sure that's fair, i'm sure that... we've earned it. i'm

sure it's all possible. then the eu took an unprecedented step and at a rapid pace procedure granted ukraine the status of a candidate for membership. our state received it already on june 23, 2022. and already two years later , official accession negotiations between ukraine and the eu began. i have never seen such a strong desire to make a country a member of the european union, as in the case. of ukraine. i have never seen the process go as fast as in ukraine, never. the intergovernmental conference has already launched the negotiation process. if you compare the schedule of what is happening in ukraine with other cases, then we are running at the speed of light. josep borel, supreme eu representative for foreign affairs and security policy. ukraine's path to the european union began in the 1990s. then president leonid kuchma announced for the first time about the perpetrator. a full member of the eu, but

the turning point was 2013: under pressure and threats from vladimir putin, viktor yanukovych refused to sign the association agreement with the eu at the last moment. euromaidan began in ukraine, which ultimately won. since then , the path to membership has not caused serious internal debate, but has encountered serious resistance from the outside. paris and berlin were extremely skeptical about the european integration of ukraine. even despite the russian occupation of crimea and donbass, however, after february 24, 2022, their position changed dramatically, now president emmanuel macron and chancellor olaf scholz are ardent supporters of ukraine's accession to the eu. when we talk about the restoration of ukraine, we are discussing the restoration of a future member of the eu. a few months after the start of the invasion of the russian federation , we made a promise to ukraine. about the future

of ukraine in the eu. we keep that promise. your support for the european course of ukraine scholl also testified in december 2023, when eu leaders were deciding whether to give the green light to negotiations with ukraine. the prime minister of hungary, viktor orbán, was against it. when the leaders were sitting at the table and preparing for the vote, the german chancellor sent the hungarian prime minister to drink coffee. ot. left the room, the decision was voted without hungary. however, budapest, which has been presiding over the eu since july 1, will still have the opportunity to stick a stick in kyiv. on june 27, the european truth website declassified 11 demands that orban's government nominated in ukraine. mostly they concern the hungarian national people, and some of them have the appearance of outright blackmail. for example, the demand to recognize the entire transcarpathian region - the traditional residence of hungarians,

finding a compromise on some issues will be extremely difficult. we are sincerely committed to the intention to resolve, and on this basis. fully implement the 11 problematic issues raised by the hungarian side to strengthen the protection of the rights of national minorities, and we will continue bilateral consultations with hungary in this direction. but negotiations will be difficult not only with hungary, but also with other bloc countries, primarily those with interests in the agricultural sector. i still remember the footage of ukrainian grain scattered on the polish highway, polish farmers still from time to time... threaten to renew the border blockade, this is not surprising, because in the event of ukraine's accession to the european union, ukrainian agricultural producers will claim the lion's share of european subsidies. and it will be extremely difficult for european farmers to compete with ukrainian agricultural companies. negotiation process

on ukraine's accession to the eu will be difficult and will require our state to maintain the current pace of reforms. we understand that, for example, from the point of view of the agrarian sphere, these will be... difficult negotiations, some decisions may be postponed, for example, because poland, germany, france have their own interests. adam szlapka, polish minister for european union affairs. but still not the greatest threat to european integration remains within ukraine itself. this is corruption, a problem that western partners repeatedly remind, even against the background of full-scale corruption war, and which public activists constantly talk about. which does not always cause understanding on the part of the authorities. ukraine is not the most corrupt country in the world. corruption exists everywhere, and to combat it, we have created a large anti-corruption infrastructure. i constantly communicate with western partners.

they always celebrate our level and successes in overcoming corruption, but some people intentionally magnify the problem, because otherwise the meaning of their work may be lost. thus... helping the russians, who are investing millions in promoting the narrative in the west, ukraine - the most corrupt state. andriy yarmak, head of the office of the president of ukraine. how long can ukraine take from the start of negotiations to accession? it is impossible to give an exact answer to this question. in the case of poland, it was six years. turkey has been on this path for almost 20 years. in the public space, in the context of european integration. the year 2030 often appears in the intentions of ukraine, moldova and the balkan countries. in particular, the current president of the european council, charles michel, mentioned this date as one when a big wave of expansion could take place, so the country must to hurry with reforms, no matter how difficult it may

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health. my name is mykola veresen, as i promised, vasyl furman, doctor of academic sciences, will be in touch with us now. i hope that my colleagues will contribute to this, and mr. vasyl will contribute to this. well, in short, we are. everyone will help, and here we have mr. vasyl furman, doctor of economic sciences, good health, we have already met more than once on various broadcasts, and the first question i have is, you know, as in the odessa joke, who is rabinovych to whom, why, why that the international monetary fund approved the allocation of a tranche to ukraine, there is a tranche of 2.2 billion conditions, and the total volume of payments under this program will be 7.6 million ukrainian dollars. but this issue is very important, when we say, give us money, we will make

reforms, or they say, we will give you money through reforms, this is my version, maybe i am wrong, please correct me, mr. vasyl, what do they say , we have, well , conditionally 3 billion for you, and even then the ukrainians say, we can do this, do this, do this, do this, oh, we like it, and what... else you can do, that is, it is not a twist hands, here with from my point of view, maybe i'm wrong, it's not they who say, either you do it or you don't get money, they say, there is money, you want to make reforms in order to get this money, and ukrainians say, we will make reforms , and not those damned americans, as they said in the soviet newspapers, please, mr. vasyl, and i congratulate you, thank you for the question, look, well, first of all, i would like to note that... in the conditions of a major war, ukraine is critically dependent on external financing, and

cooperation with the international monetary fund, the four-year program, it provides in general, about 15.6 billion dollars will be received, but it is only an imf program, but under this program there are also funds from other countries, international financial organizations, partners, and in general, ukraine can receive more... than 120 billion dollars, it's just that for four years, it's the first, the second, when we talk about the dispute with the international monetary fund, well, usually i consider it as when, if translated to the simple life of a ukrainian or any citizen of another country, that is, when the country is sick, that is, it turns to international currency fund in order to get medicine, the country cures. it is a healthy economy, it is coming out of the program of cooperation with the international monetary fund, well

, that's how they usually say it somewhere, because the imf is like a lender of last resort, it is clear that ah, not everyone wants to cooperate with the international monetary fund, because he has such strict conditions of cooperation, that is, you propose reforms, we give you money and we monitor the progress of these reforms, and it seems to me that if we say, for example, about how much we have 30 3 years of our independence, we had a lot of it now. there are many periods of cooperation with the international monetary fund, but this period is when we are already on the fifth, that is, we have passed four successful revisions, that is , we are already on the fifth successful revision of the loss, well, about cooperation programs, i somehow think , again, my personal point of view, we will also pass it successfully, as an economist, i generally positively assess cooperation with

the international monetary fund, because about those the reforms that we have been talking about for decades, decades, they will finally be implemented in our state, and i think that during our program we will talk about it, yes, i would like to say this for the audience, i really liked your successful a comparison that when a person is sick, when the state is sick, and when they say, oh, they say, they will give us medicine, if we, but if you will be treated, if the patient, a doctor of the imf comes to him called and says, listen: drink this and that , make a bandage this way, lubricate this, and the patient says: no, i do i won't drink these medicines, i won't lubricate, well , the doctor won't cure, he doesn't need it, i'll give you medicines that you don't drink, if you don't drink these medicines, i won't give you these medicines, and and even then, well, think for yourself how you will survive, pray there, i don't know whether to go to a fortune teller or

something else, that is, this is a very simple simple version, please, mr. vasyl, are you right? uh, i just want to clarify your point that, well, for example, one of the recommendations usually of the international monetary fund is to reduce government spending, and now, for example, when a new president has arrived in argentina, argentina has a very difficult economic situation there, inflation there could be more than 150%, annual, so you understand, this is a country that is not at war, and here is the new president, he is starting to cut expenses, and in principle we we can see, well, in that country, argentina, it's just that inflation is starting to decrease, that their national currency is stabilizing, that the economy is starting to grow, that is, something that hasn't happened for decades, so it's extremely important for us if we are now talking about the economy of the state, that's it again let's transfer it to a person, that is, lead a healthy lifestyle if we want to heal quickly and become a successful country. mr.

vasyl, i have a philosophical question for you, we just went there, i don't know if i provoked you. such a larger philosophy that it seems to me that ukrainians often have this phrase in their heads: our prices are almost like in europe, and salaries are still the same as in ukraine, and i always answer this if you will work like in europe , if you will build roads, as in europe, houses, as in in europe, universities, as in europe, only then you, that is... work is the first basis, you cannot consume, as in europe, and sit idly by and not work, as in europe, only that, only because that europe worked like crazy after the second world war, they achieved these successes, only because south korea worked like crazy, japan worked like crazy, everyone who worked, i'll just

say for the audience that for 30 years in a row, south korea ... had a weekend, had a rest 5 days a year, 5 days a year, yes, there were saturdays, sundays, often the freedom was working, but five, and that's why now half of ukraine and half of the world are driven by south korean -made cars, but the ukrainians, it seems to me, simply do not understand this, what do you say, i respect the experience of korea, really, it is one of the most successful economies in the world, it is... in the fact that when they were just created as a state, that is, they were one of the most backward in the world, so what they did is, in principle, a model, although on the other hand it was a completely different time and the world is changing but by the way, it should be said that they just, if we are talking about, i remember, recently i even watched a movie there about the crisis

that took place in south korea in 1998, then they overcame it thanks to the cooperation with the international monetary fund, that is, there were unpopular reforms, it is clear that there were a lot of defaults, bankruptcies, unemployment increased slightly, but it was literally a year, and then they continued to grow and develop, the same will happen in ukraine, that is , you understand that i please look we take the example of the national bank of ukraine, we carried out the reform of the national bank of ukraine, the reform of the entire banking system, thanks to the technical support of the international currency. fund, that is, even in the distant past, we can say that in the distant 15th year, 15th, 16th, and in fact the reform of the banking system is still taking place, but the main ones took place then, and thanks to those reforms, they succeeded. make the banking system, make it reliable, and then, when the great war began, that is, we see how powerful the ukrainian banking system is, people trust

banks, the balances of funds in all currencies have increased by 1/3 hryvnias in the banking system during those years of war there, we work 24x7, citizens of ukraine who are currently temporarily abroad for various reasons feel all the benefits. of the banking system, i am personally confident that it will continue to hold the financial defense of our state just as powerfully, so what if such indicators, for example, inflation, for which the central bank is responsible, we now have inflation at the level, well, according to official state data statistics service for may is, that is, 3.3%, that is, it will compare the prices of may this year with the prices of may of last year, that is, an increase of such... a small percentage, or the hryvnia, that is, the hryvnia in war conditions is stable today, that is, despite on what is going on here, well, there are exchange rate fluctuations, and if we

are talking about the economy, then it, well, again , there are different assessments of experts, forecasters, they change, but those forecasts, well , for example, we will rely on the forecasts of the national bank, and economic growth in this year by 3%, and in general this macrostability that we have in our... state, according to the estimates of our international partners, is already a matter of national security, i think, it seems to me that the national bank is very, very successful in dealing with this issue, and therefore, returning now to the other reforms that are written in the memorandum, there are a lot of them, but if we can reform our tax, customs, other state structures, such as the national bank, then we will live like in europe, yes, i'm asking a few questions now, but before that i want to for... the audience to say, it's me myself no no no literally three months ago studying korea, both koreas learned, i didn't know that

it's the other way around, south korea was backward after world war ii, it's the poor part, the rich part was north korea, and in 10, 20, 30 years, everything turned around, turned upside down, that part that was always rich. economically developed, industrially developed, the north took the last place in the world in terms of people's well-being, in terms of production, in everything, and the part that was backward was agricultural, which was not for anyone attractive, it became a strong worldwide feeder of machines, machines, equipment, advanced technologies and so on and so on, that is the result, that is socialism. and capitalism, and i don’t even need to say anything, but my question is different, this is me for the audience, mr. vasyl, look, they tell me that

the successes of the national bank, which are hard not to notice, consist in the fact that it has been for 10 years, as i would say, separated, that now there are no calls from the president, the cabinet, that is, it is absolutely... an autonomous substance that works exclusively with money, for money, for stability, a monetary unit for fulfilling its own mandate, what is the national bank, it is written there, it must do this, this, this, this, this and this, and it does it, and it cannot to influence him, and many say that if our customs were so independent, the police would be independent, and well, you can list them all there. the requirements of the international monetary fund to make a reform, what is to make a reform, this reform is simple in my opinion, it can be, i will make it easy, this is a reform so that no one can command except

professionals who give themselves advice, as bankers in the national bank of ukraine give themselves advice and do not listen to wishes, print money, don't print money, give this course or another course, what do you say, mr. vasyl? look, when we talk about central banks in general, it really is, well, modern experience, european, american, that the central bank must be independent, and the legislation that works today in ukraine, the national bank of ukraine is really independent, that is, it does not mean about that which we do not communicate with by the ministry of finance or there with the government, it's just, well, i remember reading a book there about america, about how their central banks work, there, for example, their... the head of the central bank used to have lunch with the minister of finance once every sunday, and they exchanged opinions on this or that policy, so this is extremely important.

everyone, as you say, has their own mandate, if we are talking about a mandate, that is, well, in simple words, the national bank, according to the law of ukraine on the national bank, has five main goals, i'm sorry, the three main goals are the price stability, i.e. inflation, and we successfully deal with it, this is financial stability, we have a stable banking system that works 24x7, uh, and we thank ukrainians for trusting the banking system, and the third goal is to promote economic growth, that is, if it is carried out the first and second goals, and usually uh... low inflation, financial stability, they really contribute to economic growth, well, it is clear that, for example, it can still happen when we had periods when there was, well, very low inflation, and then the central bank is there through various mechanisms helped to support certain industries, well, the refinancing operations of commercial banks in particular, and because as for other directions, we are talking about customs or the economic security bureau or the tax or judicial system or

the anti-corruption system, well, it is clear that there should be appropriate laws, although again there are peculiarities, and the fact that we have to build a successful system like in europe is indisputable, but i remember my time even before the great war 10 years ago i was on a business trip to georgia, and they started their reform, for example, of the judicial system during the first presidency of saakashvili, then it was somewhere... 2004-5 years, and after 10 years they carried out only the third stage of the judicial reform, it was really successful , but then we also saw that when the government changed, when other politicians came, that is, how this reform began to backfire there, so yes, indeed , it is extremely important for our state to simply carry out such a movement forward, but i am deeply convinced that this movement saved will be, why, because we will be... in

a few years, well, again, the optimistic scenario is that by 2030 we should enter and become a member of the european union, and for this we need, well, so that our viewers understand, it is close 30,000 regulatory and legal documents to be harmonized with european legislation, that is, what is happening in our country now, we just do it, but that is a question, but you know, i am not a very young person, i remember the first steps . of independent ukraine, i remember viktor penzenyk, who was there a reformer, he wanted, and that was it, but nothing turned out like that, and even then we had a joke that if balserovych had worked in kyiv, he would have been a penzenik, and if a penzenik had worked in warsaw, he would have been balserovych, so that it's just the system, people, psychology, all

this... it's very slow, very conservative ukraine, and now i also see that reforms are taking place, but my question to you, mr. vasyl, are you so optimistic, i love you very much optimists in their programs, i congratulate and optimists generally live for 8 years longer than the pessimists, i congratulate you on this, but how much do you now believe that there is political will, that there is a toolkit, that there are people who think like you, if people like you sat in every region, in every ministry , and not only in the top positions, but also in the middle ranks and lower ranks, reforms have definitely taken place, but i have the impression that not everyone even understands what reforms are, why they are needed, this is a question, please, mr. vasyl, you you are right, when they compared penzenyk baltsarovych, i agree 100% exactly, the other even as an example, i would like to say that when

saakashvili, when... in his fourth year, in 2004, was the president of georgia, and his team was making reforms, he had such a bulldozer of economic reforms, which was called kakha bendukidze, and of course, that they had a majority in their parliament, in the evening they could talk about the other reform that needs to be done, simply, but for which a law is needed, already tomorrow there was a vote in their parliament on this law, and it is clear that there was, you know, they often say simply: what is political support in carrying out reforms, i think i feel it, that no matter what anyone says, but we have such a desire, perhaps contrary to some trends, but all the same political will to carry out reforms, and we have a lot going on today , well, it is possible to manipulate it, well, for example, we take the same law, literally the signature...