and this is actually a person, yes, by the way, this person still works as the president of the united states in the intervals between these trips, which is also a daily stress, incredible, we saw a simple thing at these debates that trump is more energetic than biden, it is not a matter of age , they are the same age, so let's imagine that trump will win the presidential election, how old will he be, when he will finish his term of office, how much, well, for a year even. ugh, 83 when he graduates, yes, he will be 82 at the time of the election, 79 at the time of the election, and he will graduate if he is the chosen one will be 83, 83, yes, well, well, well , right, right, 83, that is, he is not a boy either, and we also do not know what he will look like at the age of 21, because this is aging, it happens faster, than we think, so i think that... i'm honestly surprised

by the panic, well, let's just say that you've suddenly opened the eyes of everyone, the new york times, the economist, friedman, everyone else , and you saw that biden is 81 years old, you didn't know that when he decided to run for a second term and nobody you you, nobody said, mr. president, move on, let's choose another candidate, everyone said biden, only biden, only biden, now suddenly everyone, ah... and it turns out he is, we thought that this was the wise basilisk, but this is the frog, well, well, well it's strange that you - now you see that this is not a young person, but the democratic party had primaries, 95% of the participants in these primaries are members of the democratic party of the united states, supporters of this party, people are registered, they voted for biden, not 60%, 73 even, which for us is a record

in number, when the president is elected, 95. well, of course, because the current president, but because there was no real competition and everyone was for biden. imagine the united states democratic national convention. biden comes out and says, "i'm tired, i'm leaving," quoting another president, and they say, well, let's have kamala harris. well, it looks strange. not a single person, not you, not... from party members to the president, did not vote for this, i am not talking about anyone else, this could have a negative impact on the final result of course, because i will, let's say , if i voted for biden and then my delegate to the size of the democratic party came and voted for kamala harris, someone will not vote for kamala harris, but for someone else, you understand what kind of struggle will begin on congress, why should i be pleased at all, i will feel insulted. i went, registered,

voted, and then my vote was trampled, so why should i even participate in this election, where there is no candidate for whom i voted. i would think on the contrary that it is the result of the debate should lead to an even greater concentration of those who want donald trump to spend the next four years in prison, and not in the general office, this is the main task of all people who do not want to die in the fall of the third. a war that is almost inevitable if trump is elected. instead , we see some scumbag, some collective letters, some statements of the editorial boards, what speaks of the degradation not of biden, but of the degradation of the american european political class, these people will lead us to the graves of their compatriots as well. i am here supporting president barack obama, who did not start throwing tantrums in such a situation, i reminded him. he himself had a bad debate,

by the way it was the first debate with mitt romney and by and large that debate didn't become any kind of problem for obama's election, obama won that election over romney, you have to remember that too, it's a true story, and biden was characterized by obama and his statement after the debate, as a person who always looked after the interests of the american. people, and trump was completely logically characterized as a person who only cares about his own interests. and it was obvious in this debate. of course, biden was much less energetic than trump, but trump was trump in this debate, too, a man who blamed, lied, historicized, looked absolutely terrible, as she always looked throughout her time on this earth, because there was no day in donald's history. when he wouldn't look like donald

trump. and here is another question. not to americans, but to ukrainians. you notice that the closer the presidential election is. the bigger the more likely it is that donald trump will be elected president of the united states, the louder are the voices of those who believe that if mr. vdupa suddenly turns out to be like that, then you need to be in time to kiss mr. vdupa, be the first in line, because then there will be so many people who want to, so mr. will not have time to understand that this is exactly your kiss, because there will already be a lot of people sitting there. there will be those who will be his, who are these people, well, i see it in social networks, in the comments of analysts, but we must understand, trump must win, no, we must build relations with trump, well, first of all, it is necessary to understand that it is impossible to build a relationship with someone who does not notice you, this is trump's peace plan, so-

called, which his advisers offer them, it once again confirms the simple fact that for donald trump, ukraine as a subject does not exist, there is also a simple idea, you have compulsions. president of ukraine, to start negotiations with russia, otherwise we will not give him weapons and money, right? trump himself constantly talks about volodymyr zelenskyi, even at the debate he said, well, he repeated it this thesis, yes, who all the time leaves america with 60 billion dollars, as if zelensky is a person who takes this money, because we simply have problems in the economy there, we cannot give ourselves advice, and not because that we have a war and our infrastructure and economy are being destroyed by the enemy, fine, but... this is the very idea that ukraine should not decide anything, here we will tell her what she should do, if she says no, we simply do not let's give her money, it's not up to them to decide how they should live in this life, trump knows better, in relation to putin there is no such thing, true no one says, that is, putin is offered

certain, i would say advantages, if he agrees, then we can cancel the sanctions, then we can agree to the russian troops leaving. in the territories they occupied, i.e. ukraine is spoken to as serfs in the language of the whip, putin is spoken to as a partner. how do you want to build a relationship with him when he spits on you, was spitting when he was president, is spitting now and will spit when he is president, do not create any illusions. of course, this man, if he becomes president of the united states, can be pressured by american institutions and american public opinion. it will be possible to force her to make decisions that donald trump himself will not like, using the very american political system that reacted to his actions during his first presidency, preventing him from realizing his intentions, which were very dangerous for the ukrainian states too, but it will be

contrary to his real wishes, his a real desire, and he already expressed it today, that if i am a smart president to the united states, russia, north korea, china will not be our enemies, but will do wonderful things, how is that? what should be done so that they become such friends of this incredibly intelligent person. well, i have a question, you know, because you know, i would understand when the plan of trump's advisers was based on some whips for ukraine and russia. here, let's say, we don't give money and weapons to ukraine. "we demand negotiations with russia, and for russia, we will emphasize for russia that if it does not there are negotiations and an end to this war, we introduce american troops into the territory of ukraine, and the americans themselves will defend. trump allegedly says according to this plan that he will give more weapons or give more money, but here

the question, as far as i understand, is not the withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of ukraine, i will not discuss this at all, it is about freezing, about freezing the conflict, but now the question arises, why putin? freeze, i am always interested, and it is really important for me to understand why these people think that putin in such a situation, a frozen conflict is needed, well, trump will give more weapons to ukraine, well , biden is already giving them, in general, i think that biden should now give more weapons to ukraine, before this all became a reality, but putin does not understand that ukraine can to get more weapons, which can hit the russian ones... he is waging a war of attrition, and he will stop this war of attrition precisely because he will not be able to fight any longer, and not because trump will be something for him to threaten, so maybe we should give ukraine more first weapons, more money, exhaust russia, then putin himself will want negotiations, trump will not

offer negotiations to putin, but putin will offer trump mediation in order to end this war, at least on some normal terms for the kremlin, well, in theory, there is such a position now of the united states. america, that in fact there is a war of attrition, that is, they are now giving us weapons, they are now giving us financial support in order to exhaust russia and incline it to victory. the only way, the question, the question is simply that because of previous events, which we observed the month from november to april, we did not receive this help on time, and in fact this rather large period of time was lost, i do not argue, but it is also difficult to blame joseph biden for this, and it is difficult to blame donald trump for this, and already by the behavior of trump and his clients, you can imagine how they will behave when they get into power, this is also a reality, you see, we remember how they behaved, but

again, we have to deal with you andrii remember that there are ideal situations in the united states there are no states anyway, we don't know how the elections will end as such, i.e. president, senate, house of representatives, democratic president, well if biden wins, republican senate, republican house of representatives, or not, republican president, democratic house. the republican senate, there can be different schedules, and each of these schedules is any of these, it's like a chessboard, you can sit down and play with each position, there are a lot of them, a democratic president, a republican senate, a democratic house representatives, a democratic president, a republican senate, a republican house of representatives, a democratic president, a democratic senate, a republican house and so on and so on, that is, how many options are there, it seems there are 18, if i am not mistaken, or 24. you have to sit down, count how many there can be different options, and each of the options changes american politics, and there is a clean option,

when the president gets everything, but not for one and a half years, and then the situation changes again, well, then there are 19 options, in general, there are a lot of options, and it also does not give us the opportunity to say exactly what american politics will be, because it is not a monarchy, it is not even the fifth republic of emmanuel macron, conventionally ... french, when it is, it is parliamentary elections very important, but the president still remains a sovereign, uh, the american president is not a sovereign, as we can see by these, by these six months, delays in help. if we are talking about a theoretical version of what is currently being discussed, do you consider, at least in the theory of the possibility of replacing the candidate from the democratic party? joseph biden today... that he's not going to go anywhere, i don't really understand how it's supposed

to happen, technically, yes, technically it can only happen one way, technically, not politically, joseph biden is speaking on ride, before the congress of the democratic party earlier, even that i think that according to the laws of the state of ohio , a presidential candidate from the party must be registered by august 7, so in three months, ugh, that is, how much is left. months, for during this time, biden has to drop out of the, uh, run, the national convention, uh, the democratic party has to meet, because there won't be time for the primary, and elect someone to be the president of the united states, you believe it, it's hard, so what should happen that biden now said no, you know, i realized that i will not be pressure, his... the team will say that well, mr. joe, we have to

change, well, that is, in theory, of course, that of course, that there is already time left not much, and it is clear that with a probability of 3/4 or even more, or even 90%, it is difficult to say that the candidate will be replaced, in theory different candidates are being considered up to... michelle obama, well, we heard these stories, but i think they were back in march, but i think that after barack obama's statement, it is clear that michelle obama is not thinking , not even for a minute, about participating in this pre-election fight, so absolutely, if, if we are talking about the statements of the candidates in this debate, in particular trump. said that ukraine will not win the war against russia, yes, although on the other hand, trump

said that he allegedly does not support putin's actions in ukraine, and the condition in ukraine, it is clear that he does. so, if we talk about these statements of trump, these are chaotic statements, or do they indicate that he has to abandon his previous statements, which are quite controversial and still support them. ukraine trump is a chaotic person in his own right as a politician, but he knows exactly what he wants, he wants to come to an agreement with putin. but trump's whole problem is that he lives in a fictional world, all the time, and he believes in this world that he and putin can come to an agreement, disappointment may await him, by the way, putin also believed that he would come to an agreement with trump, during trump's presidential term, but nothing came of it, as you understand, so

the desire of trump is clear, to what extent it can be realized, i don't know, i'm not sure about it, moreover, i think in principle that trump's second term will be very different from the first, because trump in his first term was a person to be reckoned with interests of the republican party establishment, and this can be seen in the numerous memoirs of those who worked alongside him during this time in the white house. during these four years of the presidency of joseph biden, there has been a situation of complete privatization, one might say degradation of the republican party of the united states, that is, the great old party that we used to know has disappeared from the political arena, and how did it happen in such a short period of time, it is not a private political force, why from one of the oldest political forces in the world in general such transformations took place, and because the

party that existed relied on the electorate, which can no longer bring its victory, ugh. it was these, i would say, traditional americans, let's say this, with conservative values, which are becoming fewer demographically, it's just that we are not dealing with uh, traditional america, with a new america, and there is such a phenomenon that the democratic party in this new america retained its traditional nuclear electorate, because... for the democratic party, except for people, let's say, conditionally liberal views, representatives of various minorities vote, from national, to er, political minorities, even, let's say this, you know, left-wing very radical people also vote for the candidate from the democrats, and these latin americans, representatives of lgbt,

society, jewish community , all over the world. everyone in the world votes for democracy and these people are not decreasing, but there are more demographically, even latin americans are more, people arrive every month in the usa, they do not receive and they will become naturalized in the future, i mean that we we understand why he wants it, because these people are naturalized, it is clear that those who arrived, those who arrived yesterday or last year will not vote, and those who arrived 10 years ago, of course. but the republicans, who have always flocked to these traditional evangelical circles, from which mike johnson is a native, are becoming fewer, the question arises, how can the republican party win then, demographically, only if it becomes a party of populism, it has there is no way out, it can be either trump's party or

the party of eternal losers, and they don't want to, do you you understand that politicians like mike mcconnell and ... who, or george mccain, this is the past, there are no such politicians in the republican party anymore, john mccain is no longer among us, how old is midchumalo, also over 80, and all this elite , she is not young, but look at the new people in the republican party, at taylor green, at mike johnson, even at mccarthy, these are completely different people, without any great, i would say political values. maneuverable, cynical, populist-minded, sometimes fanatical, that's another story, another party, that's it didn't happen in four years, it happened over a much longer period of time, but just after four years, especially after the storming of the capitol, there was obviously an understanding that the republican party could either win with

trump or not win at all, it's strange, by the way, why, because we've seen nikki haley...beat biden by a much larger margin than donald trump, but for the republicans it means betraying their own approach to politics because why is nikki haley winning because as a person who comes out from minorities, she attracts to herself the attention of people who would traditionally vote for democracy, and this is, so to speak , a temporary victory, because it is considered that where should we take this nikhila once again, it is temporary, but ... trump's course, this is a course that promises success all time. why were all the other candidates, except nikki haley, little trumps, you remember what kind of candidates they were, they were even more rad. there was another candidate there who was generally pro-putin, this

is such a republican party, and this, by the way, largely reflects the strengthening of the far-right, far-right political vector in the world in general, which is starting to win precisely on such wild populism, the former president of brazil , bolsonaro, is that trump? the new president of argentina, javier miley, is he trump? viktor orban, this is trumpism in essence, the new reincarnation of marine lippen, this is trumpism by and large, here is this new one, not the one that was national. but now this policy, you understand, marine le pen under the israeli flag, this is not the genre of marie le pen with anti-semitic statements, but why is she under the israeli flag, an outpost of the west in

the middle east, ugh, this is about how these far-right forces once supported the republic of south africa, turned a blind eye to something, but believed that this was their position, and yes ... there are many examples of such, that is, when trump became the president of the united states for the first time, he had almost no allies in the world. now he can gather miley, le pen, orbán, andrzej duda for his inauguration, because piszé is now in the ultra-right faction in the european parliament, you know, yaroslav kaczynski, ot. george maloney, imagine how many politicians have become who share trump's principles in latin america and europe, and this also suggests that

the republicans have understood which way to go in order to maintain power. politics is always a struggle for power, and the means for that struggle are very often not chosen, and so these people who, like mitch mcconnell, talk about... the need to preserve values, they become marginal because the republicans of the 21st century have different values , and the democrats just might find themselves in a difficult situation, because they are forced to play on several boards at once, here are liberals, ugh, here are left radicals, here is biden, here is sanders, and all of them must be united, we must support israel and... provide assistance to the gas sector, donald trump calls george biden a ridiculously bad palestinian, it 's clear who to count on, well, here's the whole

story that these two parties are in, in 2024, it's only going to get worse, because the demographics in the united states will continue to change, what there will be fewer so-called... classic americans, the more radical the republican party of the united states will be, the radical right, and the more radical the right will be in the surrounding world, the less democracy there will be in latin america and more populism, the less democracy there will be in europe and more populism, i generally think that european democracy in many countries is proving its last decades, that is, if we are talking about the european union, the european union is living out its life or, i don't know

to what extent, how far the radicals are right, when will be in power in such countries as france, germany, italy will be able to negotiate among themselves, because if we talk about the fact that democracy survives, at least in some countries, for the last decade or the last decade, then... then the european union becomes a question , because the european union was created precisely, the european union was created so that europeans would not fight with each other, its, its pillars of the european union as of now, this is democracy, and the feet of the republican party are also democracy, just everything is changing, there may be a union of autocracy, no no, do not be surprised, that is, just a reformatting of values, so the european union, the question is whether these people will be able to among themselves... ugh, if i can't let in new ones anymore, then between.

let's say a national union and the brothers of italy, giorgi melani and fidesz can find a common language here, uh, and here is the question, and for the christian democratic union of germany there will be a choice, either to become a party like these, to move to the right, or to give a wide street alternatives for germany, i think the cdu will move to the right, i also really think so, although, let's be honest, it was the cdu that worked to, relatively speaking, let migrants to germany, and the republicans abolished slavery altogether in the united states, well, we are talking about the fact that these interesting transformations , so what am i leading to, to the fact that an interesting transformation can take place , including in germany, of course, and again,

if we are talking about the united states and we are talking about... two parties, one of which was the slaveholding party, ugh, and the other party because fighters against slavery, and now these parties have changed from the point of view of their political position to liberal conservative roles, and we perceive this as the norm, then imagine what can happen with the transformation in europe, this is also a very serious problem, and you, i i am now reading an interview with french people who are going to vote for marina le pen, her party, and they are being told, listen. but you are going to vote for the fascists, and they say, what are you talking about, maybe it once was, but don't you see that the ultra-left melancholy, unruly france, these are the real fascists and anti-semites, it's different now, the fascists and anti-semites, they are on the far left wing led by mélenchon, and the socialist party of france unites with them in the popular front, so if we don't want to admit real fascists to power in italy, so that

jean mélenchon is not our prime minister, we should vote for marina le pen. even emmanuel macron could not have dreamed of such a turn of events. well, by the way, when the left united, takmanuel macron got scared, because he i realized that many people would say exactly that. when mélenchon's party, which is really ultra-left. and we know this scheme, it is the famous german choice between adolf hitler and ernst thelmann. well, what would you and i do if we had to choose between hitter and thelman, you don't know, well, it might be easier for me, because i would be a jew, i could decide everything , everything, if to choose between hitler and thelman, i can at least somehow save myself from thelman, i will have six months to leave, and what have you been doing, you no longer have such a problem, and you're just german, and you have hitler and you have telmons, what can you do, even shoot, well, this is

the current situation until... coincidentally, just when we're talking about france, i'm looking at the latest polls now, we're about three weeks ago, exactly during the elections to the european parliament, it was discussed that the lipen party now has from 32 to 37% in france and can currently win from, well, let's say, an average of 260.

glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, on the air of the espresso tv channel, the studio program west, we will analyze the most important events of this week and, of course, we will try to predict what the following weeks will bring us. today's guests of the zahid studio are the legendary american general wesley clark and the famous political scientist who is in washington, andriy pionkovskyi. now the legendary american general wesley clark will work on the espresso tv channel. ex-commander of the contingent of the euro-atlantic alliance on the european continent. greetings, dear mr. general clark, and thank you for the opportunity and the honor of speaking with you. the key story is this the scenario of further war. we in ukraine experienced extremely unpleasant, not just disturbing, but literally unpleasant feelings, when it was...