it is clear that for this we still need to carry out a huge number of reforms, to unify ukrainian legislation in accordance with the legislation of the european union, it is possible to discuss various topics regarding the protection of national producers, and also to overcome those obstacles that are called hungary in our country, right? hungary also put forward 11 demands to ukraine. some requirements are called absolutely... unacceptable, well , we will talk about that too, let's probably start with this date, what we have to do in the next 5 years in order to really become a member of the eu, well, in addition to certain technical things, well, and the second question, to what extent or which date do you consider more realistic, more acceptable from the point of view of our realities, regarding the accession of ukraine. to

the european union, well, the first question, the first thing we have to do is to end the war, if the war continues on ukrainian territory, there will simply be negotiations on joining the european union, but there will be no accession, so let's not live again there can be no illusions that we can fight and be members of the eu at the same time on the territory of the eu no war, and joining the eu will in principle be a statement of the fact that, by and large, we have ee... it is unlikely that there will be any real possibility to end the war there very quickly and to end it in such a way that the europeans have no doubts that it will not start again, this is not a question of european, but of euro-atlantic integration, one, two, we will really need to close chapter by chapter in these negotiations, if you have seen all these documents about the accession of other countries to the european union, there is simply a whole list for... the laws that need to be passed, and when

the national parliament passes these laws, then this section is considered closed, but it's not only from the european side, it's also from our side, because we have to have comments on certain points that will be offered by the european union, and let's put it this way, the easier we will give up our own interests in favor of the european union's proposal, and the faster... we will give up the interests of our own economy, the faster we will join the european union, the more seriously, professionally we will will protect our interests, the longer we will join, there are simply countries that joined quickly because their legislation was already unified and they did not need to talk about much, and there were countries, such as poland, which were very fought seriously for the interests of their agriculture, as we can see so far, so with the european union, given that we are a country... with large agriculture

so far, i think that we will also have more than just that, so this is the second such point, the third point, is negotiations with concrete states that can at any moment block our accession to the european union, accession negotiations, and you mentioned hungary, by the way, i must say that... which is behaving very intelligently. i can remind you about another country, north macedonia. north macedonia, first greece, and then bulgaria, were not given the opportunity to start the negotiations themselves, and no one could convince these countries. the process of negotiations with north macedonia never started. greece initially demanded that north macedonia, which was then called.

the republic of macedonia simply changed its name. after the governments of greece and macedonia reached those agreements, and this new constitutional name appeared, north macedonia, then at that moment a new story arose with completely unexpected bulgarian claims, claims of a historical nature. ugh. the bulgarians began to demand constitutional changes in macedonia in order for this. the country recognized the existence of the bulgarian minority and the bulgarian historical heritage and everything else, which by and large is to a certain extent, well, how do you explain it, virtual, why? because from the point of view of historical, i would say, realities, either the entire population of north macedonia can be considered bulgarians, as the bulgarians do, by the way, or no one, because it cannot be, if you believe that it is all one people, you cannot to demand from this one people that she is some... group of people that has yet to be found

was considered part of the bulgarian ethnos in the territory of macedonia, and this in general, as you understand, the question is absolutely... strange from the point of view of european standards, because of course the republic of macedonia has there to ratify certain agreements on the protection of minority rights, and bulgaria too, if they are on the territory of north macedonia, but bulgaria definitely cannot demand changes in the macedonian constitution, and it demands, and despite the fact that other member states of the european union sought a compromise , because this compromise proposed by france regarding the constitutional changes in north macedonia, these constitutional changes have not yet taken place, instead macedonians, who feel deeply offended. and by the way, it can wait for us, they voted for the radical national ones the parties that now say they don't want to talk about it with bulgaria, don't want any changes to the constitution, and that means these talks won't start again, and we can basically end up in a completely similar situation, the only difference is ,

fortunately for us, i don't know what will happen with the claims of other countries, our problem, our hope in general for... and the ambition of viktor orban, but viktor orban has a much greater idea of ​​himself than any other prime minister minister or president of bulgaria, about his role in the world why? you mentioned these 11 demands of viktor orban. at the same time, viktor orbán heads the country tomorrow, which the day after tomorrow, which becomes the chairman of the european union, and information has already appeared in the online edition of european truth that he will allegedly... visit kyiv next week, that kyiv will be the first capital, which he visits as the person presiding over the eu, despite the fact that he has not yet come here, however, he has not been here once after the great attack, he was in moscow before the great attack, remember, and

why is it so, and because if viktor orbán does not have time to jump into this boat, then george maloney will not take his party into his faction. in the european parliament, and if she does not take his party and her faction in the european parliament, then hungary will not be able to get any positions in the committees of the european parliament and in the european commission, and viktor orban will get rid of his influence, you will never put pressure on bulgaria, because as i understand it, that in bulgaria everyone is not very worried about this influence in the european parliament of the european commission, but viktor orban is worried, and who is the euro commissioner now enlargement of the european union? hungarian to fly? well , viktor orban doesn’t want to lose such positions, and that’s why he’s just sitting now, packing his suitcase, what will fit in, what won’t fit in there, can you put a photo of zelensky, maybe his wife, he’s mad, but he’s leaving, which means that with all these demands it will also be possible

to work like this, that is, in your opinion, and conditionally speaking, we will have the opportunity, at least to level. part of these demands, because, because, if we speak, here in particular on the same same european truth, i now opened, there are quite a few requirements that are problematic for our country, there orbán also demands to change the constitution, to make a representative of the hungarian national minority a mandatory delegate to our parliament, that is, to make a deputy mandatory, that's how it goes again. about the ukrainian language, well, after russia, hungary is number one, yes, relatively speaking, a fighter against the laws concerning the state language, and there is even talk about having those people who represent the authorities elected in

the territories of the hungarian national minority that they in general, they could level, conditionally speaking, the status of the state language, there... a lot of things that relate to the actual recognition of all transcarpathia as hungarian, not hungarian, but hungarian national heritage, somehow it is formed there, the question is what they want to raise this percentage qualification, so that not only the berehiv district, but also small areas of transcarpathia, in principle, all of transcarpathia is considered a region from where there is a mountain, and what will this do? practically, please tell me, well, let's say, we raised that it will be, there will be bilingual signs on well, and it also bothers you a lot, maybe, well , if, if we talk about the population census, then the population of transcarpathia according to the data of 2001 , and these are already data that are not quite correct,

12% of hungarians in the territory of transcarpathia, i think, even i do not even argue with this, i mean, how much does it bother you, if even... at the entrance to settlements where there will be no hungarian population transcarpathian region, there will be a historical inscription of the hungarian language. well, i think that these are some approximate conditions, which russia puts to us, that is, we have an analogue somewhere. no, we do not have an analogue. russia demands simple things from us, for ukrainians to speak russian, for the russian language to be here, for the russian language to be taught here in schools for ukrainians. there is even one class in the school, just imagine, one class for the whole school, but we well understand that there can be 20 classes, 30 classes, 40 classes in a school, if one class is hungarian, then this school is already needed to recognize a school with hungary as a hungarian school

, in fact, in the people's mall, it means that the children who will be in this class will be taught the subject of hungarian, but all the others 19, including this school, will be called the hungarian school of the hungarian national minority, well, that's it, you understand, it's about justice it's not quite fair , well, look, if ukrainian students will study, it's not about justice, it's about protecting the interests of justice, so that we enter into... and here, but here the question is, where are our interests? our interests are to we became members of the european union, it is possible, like north macedonia, for 30 years, we well understand that such demands, for example, hungary can make another 11, then another 11, another 11, of course, if orban is not in power, if orban is in power, then no, i think that it will not only be agreements, demands from orban, again, look, it should not be confused with russia, it is a simple thing in russia, russia wants a russian-speaking ukraine, orban wants hungarians to ... spoke hungarian to be taught hungarian, but i think that

hungarians are currently protected as much as possible in those territories, they live compactly, and i do not argue with that, and by the way, if we talk about the statements of hungarian national minorities who currently live in the territory of transcarpathia, then it is possible, can any of our viewers even google look, then they clearly say that they have no demands, no conditions for ukraine, because their rights... as of now, the ukrainian state provides fully will be with us if suddenly such a tragic thing, if we have bilingual signs in the towns of zakarpattia region, where there is not a large number of hungarian population, well , there will be these signs, what will change from this, and there are still ukrainians living there, moreover, you understand, that the number of the hungarian population will not increase, but decrease, taking into account. data that this is for 2021, now they are even less, of course, this is logical, because taking into account the economic situation in

ukraine, which is different and will have a negative impact on the economic situation of hungary, you want a country whose territory is at war, then the number of the hungarian population will decrease objectively, and oran is simply making efforts to virtualize problems, but what do we get from this, here you are talking about justice, politics is not about justice, you again resort to of this category, which all the time leads ukrainians into a deep corner, politics is a business... it is possible, but i will tell you again, i will return to north macedonia, is it fair that north macedonia changed its name to the northern one, as it is now, as her new one now says president gordana silyanovska davkova, if there is a northern macedonia, then where is a southern one, it is unfair, but she joined nato. will it be fair if some such articles appear in the constitution of north macedonia that the macedonians do not want to see. fair, but they can join the european union, or they can sit with their justice in the hallway for another 20 years, and we

will sit together with her and talk about how terrible orbán is, i’m not telling you that these demands are fair, listen me, i tell you that in any case the country, which is a member of the european union, has much more opportunities to prove itself than a country that aspires to do so. the hungarians simply had time before us, if we behaved like hungarians, then we would now set conditions for the hungarians. well, that's another question, here comes the question of what we've been doing for 30 years, well, that's another discussion, in general i think that you know how the macedonians behaved when the bulgarians told them that they needed constitutional recognition of minorities, bulgarian minorities, they said, we do it together with other national minorities, we constitute status. of all minorities in the article of the constitution, bulgarians, vlachs, albanians, well, albanians

generally have a special status in the constitution of north macedonia, retro-romanians, there is a buga, this, roma, bulgarians are dissatisfied, but they cannot say no, we forbid you we need such an article, where there would be no one else except bulgarians, that bulgarians... are not real national minorities, they are forced to accept it, i admit that we can change the legislation in favor of all national minorities and. there are certain bilingualism rights populated areas, and they are now, i know, i mean, change the percentage, uh, so that, let's say, not only hungarians fall under this bar, but also poles, bulgarians, romanians, gagauz,

we have for gagauz, how much - your percentage in the gagauz villages is less than 15, is it true, or maybe if there were? we have plates in the gagauz language, it was also absolutely correct, what makes the gagauz different from other national cars, it is not their fault that there are fewer of them, you understand, we can go this way, leveling the requirements at the expense of constitutional changes, if at all about constitutional changes, we can make some decisions that we can work with, in some cases we can, like macedonia, demand international arbitration, so that it is a plan, let's say, that france and germany will offer. hungary, ukraine, and both sides will then be forced to compromise. but just to say we don't like these demands, they are unfair, andriy. this is exactly the way to nowhere. justice is never served in politics. in politics, the art of defeating the opponent always works. here is the most important thing, i do what do i do in general? the most important thing is that

it does not happen that the demands of hungary. we did it, we did not join the european union, this is the most important thing, and by the way, you talked about the fact that there is a whole series of obstacles, obstacle number one, we understand that it is the war, obstacle number two, it is not only the matter in hungary, the matter it may be in other requirements of various sectors of our economy, of course, but those are not economic requirements, but these are no longer economic requirements, and the third question, which is clearly related to all of this. what are we talking about, na in the upcoming parliamentary elections , those forces will rise up who will say, no, i'm sorry, we are against this, and many people in ukraine will say, we will support them, andrii, well, that's right, again just like the macedonians, how the macedonians supported these national parties, here i am but to this point, the main thing here is to find the golden mean for all parties, there is no

need to search, there is no need to look for the golden mean. look, you don't need to look for a golden mean, you need to give people the opportunity to express themselves, if people decide that it's more important for them to write simply, conditionally speaking, in one language in zakarpattia oblast, this is necessary so that not only zakarpattia does not accept it, but the whole of ukraine, which for a person, let's say in lviv oblast or poltava oblast, it would be fundamental not to have this sign there, and she is for it will vote, and the political party will get the majority there, which will say, when we come to power, we will not make any compromises. they will easily join the eurasian union later, but this is the people's choice, i don't have a problem with it, it is the people's choice if the majority of ukrainians want to join the eurasian union after the war with russia, it will get there, and by the way, there won't be any plates, all the transcarpathian regions will calmly learn which language in

hungarian, and what they taught until recently, until recently, and there won't be any orbán. have claims, you can imagine, because there will be no claims from orban, and orban can claim zakarpattia in such a case, why will zakarpattia be or not, relatively speaking, orban, look at what, what, what is all, in this, what is the whole story, orban most likely , when russia on february 24, 2022, dared to launch a large-scale offensive, somewhere there at theirs. deep dreams, do not invent, andriyu, i had in my mind about the occupation, it could be that hungary is a member of nato and the european union, or is this a utopia, a utopia, fictions of people who do not understand at all how politics is built, as soon as the first hungarian soldier enters the territory of the transcarpathian region, hungary is leaving nato and the european union, and what kind of money does it live on, russian or chinese? that is,

do you think this is a priori impossible in the future? imagine that hungary decided that it does not need the european union nato occupied zakarpattia oblast, how many people is there in hungary, 8 million hungarians, 1.5 million ukrainians, there are no hungarians in zakarpattia oblast, you see, you get a region with 15 million. foreign population. hungary has not lived in such a state since trianon, since 1918. hungarians have already forgotten what international relations are. they have the last ones. i apologize for the political incorrectness, there were jews who were exterminated during the holocaust, there were no others, and

how? hungary, er, in principle, is a classic example of a mononational state, like you can you imagine the government of such a country, which then receives in the parliament, well, if someone recognizes this occupation, of course. some party of ukrainian landlords, which has 25 there, with such a number, it is clear that all ukrainians vote for one ukrainian party, and how much it has in the parliament 25%, well, 20, 20, and without this party you will not form a government or a president, you don't hire a president , of course a ukrainian, because otherwise there is no prime minister from fidesz, this is in a nightmare, don't dream of such a thing, but you have a marginal territory in the composition, oh what, which... is adjacent to the russian occupation zone and in galicia, you invent such things sometimes, i don’t know, in fact what people say, that is, i asked the question what

people say, and i broadcast it to you, because apparently a lot our viewers are also interested, but you remember that you live in a country where most people lack logic as a class of thinking, lack logic, because they are all the time, by the way, you can't even help yourself to them. in this, because they are people with a soviet heritage, and they think that they are necessarily in such a situation that's what they did, you see, this is the idea that if the police came to my neighbor's house and took him somewhere, and the apartment remained empty, i will definitely go in and take his tv, if nothing happens to me, that's what people do, but that's what people do in bucha, well, not the people, not the people, the russians, who in principle have nothing to lose, and orban has something to lose, he... the prime minister of the country, does not join the european union, joins and blackmails everyone there, and they all stand and say, how should we solve this issue, comrade viktor, and

can you imagine, if all this is lost, who will he be with, vladimir putin will not be particularly interested in what viktor orban wants in this life, he has seen many such viktor orbans, and by the way, what is interesting is the biggest one, but who is interested in this issue , the largest national minority of the hungarians is located in two countries, in romania and in slovakia, in romania there, not just a small area in transcarpathia, like we have in romania, there is a whole region there, a whole region, in fact, by the way, in the center country, not even near hungary, but separated from, from the conditional border, the one where the majority of hungarians live, the situation is similar in slovakia, but they are there. in fact, it is close to the border, as it is with us in the situation with ukraine, but there with the hungarians, we see, well, we understand that both romania and

slovakia, they are members of the eu and nato, and therefore, of course, orbán does not have questions about these countries so many, well, not so many, there are hungarian parties, although there, although there when they influence the political processes, the prime minister of romania was hungary orban, remember? by the way, they established the qualification of these settlements, and it is 20%, i am in front of the program, not 10, yes not 10, yes 20%, it concerns romania, well, you know that romania and hungary do not always have easy relations, but the influence of these hungarian parties is very great in romania as well , and in slovakia, political parties, it's just that transcarpathia is small in our country, and there is a hungarian party there, but there is also a hungarian party there, and it is in the transcarpathian region.

year and at the beginning of 2024, that is, in fact, if we put aside these manipulations of orban, we understand that polish, romanian, bulgarian, zakar and ee hungarian, national minorities, they are protected in ukraine, we are not discussing that now, we are discussing what we need, if you want checkers or leave, we need to insist that... we have absolutely correct, reasonable legislation, with which i absolutely agree, by the way, i always asked another question, why people who protect the linguistic rights of hungarians in ukraine, not

understanding that if hungarian is our citizen... will not know the ukrainian language, they find themselves in a certain language ghetto and cannot compete equally with citizens of ukraine who study in ukrainian schools, but we are talking about whether we want to join the european union, or continue to defend our absolutely correct position, if we want to join the european union, we will have to work with all these requirements in different ways, some to reject demands for international support, to adopt some demands in... to adopt some demands, to level them, as i told you, but if we go the way of protecting justice, what you said, we did everything anyway and everything is fine with us, then we thus do what orbán wants from us, because he wants us to just linger in the door of the european union, as a long-term effort, and he 'll really invent a million conditions to hold us back, and that's an absolutely obvious thing to me, so that's really the way not that. we must

entertain ourselves with illusions that we will enter this path today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, next year, but we are moving quickly, by the way, before the negotiations we were moving quickly, yes we were moving, we were moving quickly, but this path will not be as fast as possible someone wants, several minutes of break, and we will return to another very interesting topic, which is related to the debate, between biden and trump, by the way, a very hot topic that is currently being discussed in all the countries of our planet, do not switch, vasyl zema's big broadcast, my name is vasyl zema, this is a big airtime on the espresso tv channel, two hours of airtime, two hours of your time, my colleagues and i will talk about the most important things, two hours to learn about the war, about the military, frontline, component, serhiy zurets, and what the world is like , yuliy feder, already in front of me, and it's time to talk about what was happening outside of ukraine, yury, good evening, two hours to keep up with economic

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kononenko. on the espresso tv channel. free political club, we are back on the air. today, we are talking with vitaly portnikov for two hours, discussing and discussing the most resonant and important topics for our country. the debate between biden and trump is an equally important topic for the world and for ukraine as well, because of the elections in the united states of america. the fate of our country will also depend on it, mr. vitaly, we saw, the whole country, the whole world saw these debates, according to polls conducted by cnn, by the way, a channel that is closer to the democratic party, de facto 67% of those people,

again, who...voted, they said they thought trump was the winner of this debate, and in addition, a survey was conducted yesterday, according to these surveys, 60% of citizens, again, those who were surveyed, we cannot say 100% how representative it is, said that it is worth replacing the candidate from the democratic party, and so on. .. and besides that, we also see various kinds of statements, statements from the editorial board of new york times, from the speaker of the house , mike johnson, we see this new cover of the times, time magazine, where, biden is going and, in a sense , the democrats are supposed to be in a panic, yes.