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integration, our interlocutor will now be the vice-prime minister, deputy prime minister of ukraine for european and euro-atlantic integration, olga stefanishyna, we will talk with her about the historic event that took place just this week, which is the start of negotiations on the accession of ukraine and the republic of moldova to the european union, historical, one might say, events. because many believed that this entry, it will be much longer, that there will be whole, i would say, problems with ukraine's accession to the european union, namely with the negotiation process, that we will wait a long time for it to begin, that there will be a long audit of the ukrainian legislation, fulfillment of certain conditions that were set, do you remember when we were granted candidate status in general, certain conditions were set for us that could be fulfilled, otherwise ukraine could be deprived.

candidate status, this was unusual candidate status, and it must be said that it was the first time in the history of the european union, when both we and the republic of moldova and georgia received this candidate status, one can say with the nomination of the necessary conditions that had to be fulfilled, and as we can see, the conditions implementation the european commission advised the european council to start negotiations, and these negotiations have begun, this first step is very important. then there will be a serious process of the changes themselves, and it will be necessary not only to carry out negotiations before, during this process recommendations of the european union, but also to fight for one's own economic and political interests, this is also an important point, primarily about pro-economic, because it must be understood, and the situation is connected with... with

what is happening with european integration, this is also the situation on the military development of our country, how intense will this negotiation process be now, the protection of interests, the fulfillment of demands, the more intense ukrainian post-war recovery will be, because it will also depend on what our interests will be in... in to the european union, how they will be taken into account, how the situation will change with the process of european integration, how the european union will treat our pace, these are all really serious, i would say problems that one way or another must be solved in the near future, and it is clear , that when we... start the process, these are only

the first steps related to the negotiations themselves, we must not forget the bilateral context of these negotiations, only on the eve. of this process, as is known, it was possible to persuade hungary to give up blocking the start of the process negotiations with ukraine, the republic of moldova, and hungary, in principle, fixed certain conditions that should become part of this process in the near future. this will also be a serious test for ukrainian diplomacy, and subsequently for ukrainian society. so in this regard, european integration is always a real, serious challenge for the entire state, but if you think about it, only 10 years have passed since the association agreement was signed, and you remember when this agreement was supposed to be signed

in 2013, the then president of ukraine , viktor yanukovych, who was on the way to solving this problem, somehow... you can say, accelerated all these processes by his refusal to sign the agreement, a refusal which, by the way, was obviously related to negotiations between viktor yanukovych and vladimir putin. we now already know that there were even secret negotiations, that vladimir putin did everything possible to prevent ukraine from signing this agreement, and they did not hide it. advisor to president putin, sergey glazev, who, by the way, was born in zaporozhye in fact, he was then the curator of the ukrainian direction, his task was to prevent the european integration of ukraine. he said that you have not read this agreement, but if you do, you understand how dangerous it is for your management of ukraine. he appealed to viktor yanukovych and another traitor, the then prime minister of ukraine

and the leader of the party of regions, mykola azarov. well, in the end, as we know, this situation, it was resolved the way it was resolved. the ukrainian government refused the association agreement. viktor yanukovych did not sign this document during the summit of the european union in vilnius, and the famous euromaidan began, after which the association agreement with the european union was also signed in two parts. the first part was then signed by prime minister viktoriy yatsenyuk, the second part by president petro poroshenko. and the agreement began to work. and 10 years later, we are already starting full-fledged negotiations on joining the european union. despite the fact that the association agreement is not just a document to be signed. this is also a document that needs to be implemented, one way or another, and this is also quite a serious story, which you always have to remember that it was a fairly short process between the agreement and the beginning of the negotiations, what the process

of the negotiations itself will be, of course, it is difficult to say, because on this path, there are still many real problems of some kind, problems related to the introduction. of ukraine in the negotiation process itself, because each section of these negotiations will be difficult in other countries of the european union , tens of people, hundreds, it's not just there approved the state delegation, and it is conducting negotiations there with the officials of the european union, because the european union is a huge, huge apparatus, realistically speaking, and each department there deals with its own problems, works carefully, each department consults with all countries, members the european union, the european union sends out its proposals, every country that is part of the european union has proposals, and it is clear that those countries

that are far from ukraine, there are the countries of the iberian peninsula, let's say portugal and spain, they have less towards us issues than in central european countries, on the other hand, they are less political. involved in the russian-ukrainian war, because it is very far from them, and when even our politicians recklessly say that ukraine protects everyone in europe and in nato from the russian federation, it is obvious that people living in madrid or lisbon , these statements have a different effect than on people who are in warsaw and budapest, but there are economic issues there, we already have ms. olga stefanychyna, congratulations ms. olga. congratulations vitalya, well, this is the beginning of negotiations on admission, if you are serious, how do you imagine the process itself, and how long should it take in an optimistic and pessimistic perspective, if the military circumstances are removed? well, the very beginning of the negotiations is very important, because this is already a legal decision related to

the fact that ukraine will be a member of the eu, now it's really a question of the process, ukraine has certain advantages, we are not newbies, let's say, in this.. . in the matter of european integration, we have 10 years of implementation of the association agreement, which was implemented with different dynamics, but also the opportunity to take advantage of the internal eu market, unfortunately very large-scale with the beginning of the war, because most of the decisions were made just now, as an element of response to the consequences of the russian war, russian aggression, this is also access to the labor market, millions of citizens who are currently in the eu, this is also customs liberalization, trade liberalization, energy liberalization, that is... this process will be much shorter for ukraine than for many other countries in previous periods, and

we are capable enough as a government, civil society is with us, so for this year and the first half of the 25th year , our task to enter the list of our obligations, and this is the work of the european commission, then it will be up to us. the fact that ukraine goes together with the republic of moldova means that we have this tandem. can the two countries be separated in the future? and we talked a lot about it precisely at the first intergovernmental conference, since ukraine has already had to overcome a number of difficulties related to our future accession to the eu, this includes hungary's veto, and , for example, our difficulties at certain stages in fulfilling our political obligations , since a... had to search enough serious consensus within the country, and we

talked about the fact that the membership process should first of all be based on individual individual agreements with each country, but fundamentally, ukraine's progress helps moldova and all enlargement countries, and moldova's progress helps ukraine, ukraine. at the moment, i do not see any negative trends, we work together with the moldovan side and have mutual support, help and complete homework and work as a team. tell me, are you talking to european officials about how the integration will take place, if at the end of the negotiations, ukraine and the republic of moldova will not be countries that will control all their international visas to the territory, how will it be? we know for sure that before this... the time will come, and such talks will continue, even in the conditions when the war will be

finished, and ukraine will win the victory on the battlefield, until the military recovery, until the military establishment of peace in europe, it will be long process. at this stage, this is part of our negotiating position, and we already have a certain one a precedent, this precedent is ukraine, and the association agreement was already signed when crimea was annexed, when it began. military actions in the donetsk and luhansk directions in these regions, and this agreement does not contain any restrictions on territorial application, there are certain clarifications, but our country is becoming and will become a member of the eu within its borders, absolutely all cities, and i hope that we at this moment, we will be able to carry out effective control in each of our territories. even those that are occupied now are one-sided

the demands of hungary, the 11 demands that are currently being cited by the media, is this an adequate statement of the proposals that hungary put forward for ukraine? i can absolutely say that this is, let's say, the wrong approach in the negotiations, in fact, today the venice commission, the european commission with all member states, confirmed that their obligations... ukraine has fulfilled its obligations in terms of national minorities, and these obligations , which is more than 10 years old, i would say, and it was very difficult for the hungarian side to scratch as many as 11 points and present them in ukraine as an ultimatum. of course, we consider it ugly that the hungarian side set a price for the start of negotiations and ukraine's movement towards the eu in the form of such a position in the eu negotiation framework, but this was absolutely not actively accepted by other member states, and we want, i want

personally pay attention to a certain nuance, which implies that we have to agree on a list of joint steps and only after that talk about the implementation of certain points, this is the official position of the european commission, and we will move in line with it, i hope that this is so the agreement will allow us to detoxify our... relations, and at the same time i want to note that bilateral consultations have been going on for more than 7 months, and currently we have a fairly serious finalization of how we will move forward. ukraine neutralizes any attempts to cross not the red lines, but the lines of common sense, this is an absolutely unconscious dialogue, although, of course, the hungarian side continues and will continue to speculate on this

topic for decades, we are also fully aware of this. and tell me, is it really from viktor orban? can it arrive next week? to kyiv as the chairman of the european union, is this realistic information that also appeared in the media on the eve of our conversation? we have been waiting for viktor orban in kyiv for a long time, we invited him at the end of the 23rd year, i personally think that it is very important that he came to kyiv, we have been working on his visit for a long time, i am sure that it will take place. and tell me, ms. olga, if we return to the topic of integration itself, then integration is a street with such two-way traffic, on the one hand there is a demand from the european commission to each of the countries, which joins the european union, on the other hand there is a need to protect national, primarily economic interests, in the conditions in which ukraine is, in conditions of financial dependence on western aid, how

easy will it be for us to protect these national interests? and absolutely, i think that this is the... unique case when the economic independence and competitiveness of ukraine is , of course, our national interest, but also the first national interest of those countries that are the main borrowers or the main mobilizers of financial assistance, this is in a certain way a really unique situation in which this interest coincides, i want to pay special attention, and i constantly emphasize this in communications with colleagues, our... we from the european commission that ukraine is in the top ranking 20 active participants in the internal market of the european union, and any myths or, let's say, fears, they are no longer relevant, because even in the conditions of a complete blockade of the parties and political

speculations of poland, we persevered, we went through this difficult period fairly moderately and rationally the way and... did not lose theirs, but their own, their interests, precisely in the part that concerns the export of agricultural products, but also set certain requirements for partners who must comply with european regulations, we will implement eu rules dynamically enough, but actively enough our business, our market is already reorienting itself to the european market, because this market is more ambitious and larger, and also... in it you act accordingly exclusively in your business interests, and therefore it is more important for us, if not sooner to adopt european rules, because in my opinion, since for me the adaptation of legislation is a certain such national sport, my own, i see that this is the most effective tool for de-oligarchization, because these are the only rules for

everyone who act as in ukraine, and beyond, and it's by far the most powerful weapon... that we've had that we've used. and tell me, since you mentioned poland, could there be any other bilateral negotiations that generally slow down the process of ukraine 's european integration, which not only hungary will put forward conditions, but so will other countries. i am sure that it will be so, and in principle, poland is very, let's say, trying to convey its heavy. the experience of joining the european union and i believe that we have to go through no less difficult path than them, and therefore it will be difficult in negotiations with poland, because it is the largest market in eastern europe, the largest and most dynamically developing economy, and ukraine is becoming very large a competitor, so we really have to be aware

that there will still be such tensions, they will maybe with other countries, but... today i want to draw attention to the fact that it was germany that became the driver of ukraine's accession to the eu. the eu budget and the main employer, let's say, of the european union, so as long as this formula is maintained, we are definitely in a fairly safe position. if we talk about the process itself, what should happen in the future, the negotiations have opened further? we have 34 negotiators, and... next week at the government, we will approve a decision that will create negotiation groups, which will be about a thousand people, people's deputies, civil

society will be involved in these groups, and from july 8 we will start the first bilateral negotiations in a number of areas, this schedule is already planned until the end of the year, and according to the results of these negotiations, ukraine will already have a full list of its obligations, and... as well as a full list of reservations, exclusions or transitional periods that we will need in order to to join membership in the eu, then the technical process of opening negotiation chapters, of consolidating agreements and doing homework, and each chapter will be closed, so to speak, as some legislative changes are adopted, and so on. yes, but in fact the most important stage starts now from july 8, because the negotiation section in any area can be opened only when both sides understand the scope of work, this

means that before opening any negotiation section, we understand the future volume of obligations of ukraine, provided plans for the implementation of key eu legislation, and on this basis we open the negotiation section, i will agree. we set deadlines, agree on transitional periods and perform homework as promised even before the start of the specific negotiation process in the directions, so this is such a conceptual gentleman's work, which is actually then fixed in the negotiations in a specific direction, so i studied the dossiers of the countries that are candidates for membership of the european union until now and i saw that among these ... economy, ecology, human rights, etc., there is still such a point, at least i

saw it in the serbian dossier, it is different, well, for the serbs, it is the normalization of relations with kosovo, we may have some such point, maybe there is already one , well, for example, a polish minister came to see me in poland, just a week ago, he said, they told a very interesting case that... this year, it seems , the ban on german citizens in germany having the right to purchase land on polish territory has surfaced. it was just from the other section, and the poles have just now received the right to sell tomatoes to france, of course this is an issue, this issue is important, of course territorial issues, the issue of the application of the agreement will be there, i... also see that in this block we will consider the issue of post-war restoration of conditions and in conditions

of market functioning, access of companies, there will be very specific provisions, we hope that we will be able to start this section as soon as possible, but we will save this for the end, at the end of the negotiation process, because now the main work will be - aimed at forming the body of our future obligations, so that ukraine also starts this work, and brussels is not, let's say, overburdened by ukraine, since we are now talking about eight enlargement countries, a new european commission has been formed , now the commissioner for enlargement, this will be our key key people in the european commission, and this portfolio has to be dynamic, so... of course we have to move quickly and start every possible step as quickly as possible, i understand that it will be the new european commissioner, correct, can it stay, i also

understand that, i do not think that this trend of extending the mandate of high-ranking eu officials will continue as the european commissioner for enlargement, but it is very surprising to me that the candidate for this position has not yet been nominated. .. agreed and there is not even an approximate, let’s say, understanding of who we could be, there are quite a lot of people willing, but actually i was sure that what would solve this issue much faster, today there is no clarity, but i think that it is precisely the hungarian presence in this direction already exhausted thank you, ms. olga, and i wish you a successful negotiation process. olga stefanishyna, vice-premier, prime minister. on the issues of european and euro-atlantic integration of ukraine was in touch with us, now we will talk with the russian oppositionist, former deputy of the state duma ilya ponomarev, he is already in touch with us, congratulations mr. ilya, good evening, and now

let's talk about. .. the caucasus, because this week exactly these famous events took place in dagestan, and the attackers were the children of one of the nomenclature officers, this is strange the situation is killed, these terrorists, they are the children of the head of one of the districts of dagestan, and here the question arises, how does it turn out that radical islamism finds a place in the nomenclature environment, so there is nothing surprising at all, because in general , the dagestan elite is very dissatisfied by what is happening now in... which the republics have with moscow, because the second president of dagestan is a vary, and before that dagestan was such a unique republic within the russian federation, because it was a parliamentary republic, and there was such a complex agreement regarding the balance of ethnic groups in... the republic, well, that is how it

was governed, and now there are just varangians, first there was a russian man, vasiliev, now there is melyakov, there is such a very powerful trafstan mafia, which heads all economic and social directions of the republic's management, and of course the elite is dissatisfied, it broadcasts it to its... children and this is what is happening, and what do you think, in principle, what happened, it indicates that the russian special services, they are already gradually degrade, you can say, and they can't even respond to real challenges, because one thing is to invent a ukrainian threat, you know, and another thing is to fight the real threat of people who are recruited by the islamic state, look, there are two opposite versions, one

version , that it was exactly... the beginning and was created by the russian special services, which are trying to create such an understanding in the world, such an attitude that here is russia with the western states, it is on the same side of the fight against global terrorism, and there are even such warning that there might be a huge terrorist attack on the olympics in paris in france, and that ... all it takes is to play the same game that happened in the early 2000s, when the world forgot about chechnya, precisely because there is terrorism and we must be together, but i believe that the reasons here are this socio-economic resistance in moscow, and in

dagestan for a long time... it is growing, the peak was there somewhere 10 years ago, but then moscow already recognized , that she cannot cope with it and even began to stimulate it the departure, the departure of these people to syria, to the idf, and now there is a part of the return of the influence of the islamists... er, the preachers of the salafist group there, it is growing because of the war in ukraine, they are naturally very negatively disposed to the mobilization of dagestanis on to the war, and it was because of everything that there was already an armed protest in the fall of the 22nd, and then we saw these jewish pogroms in makhachkala, and

this is what is happening now in my opinion. it's all one chain, in these new ultimatums of putin, which he explains there, how he sees the negotiations with ukraine, you see something new, it's a continuation of the old roach, it's all the same, he's betting on trump, he's sending the same signals, he's reasoning there. how it will develop in the future, and he wants to look like it is ukraine that does not want to negotiate there, he is there in moscow, he is always ready, well, you just have to be constructive there and everything is so different, and for trump of course it is falls on such prepared soil, well, i think