he also said that ukraine will get a clear perspective of membership, perhaps even an integration bridge, an integration bridge, but he used this word to emphasize a clear, illuminated path to nato. these are not legal provisions, they are political declarations, but they exist, and we are very happy about it. but i would also like to ask you about this bridge that supposedly guarantees membership when there is political will, when there is political will and what is the point of bridges that do not work. this bridge will work, the current nato summit is special because that on the one hand it is an anniversary event, which means that everyone pays great attention to the issue of the anniversary itself.

on june 26, the north atlantic council decided to appoint mark rutte as the next secretary general of nato. rutte will take up this position on october 1 after the end of the term of office of jens stoltenberg, who held the position of general secretary for almost 10 years, since 2014. rutte will replace stoltenberg on october 1. and how the new secretary general will change. i hope that he will open nato for ukraine. so far, he has not made any mistakes since the russian attack on 24 february 2022, the north atlantic alliance is in a very difficult situation, but to emphasize, he has not made a mistake so far, so ryuta has two tasks: not to make a mistake, that is , to react correctly to putin's policy, show the consequences and expand the alliance, fulfill what we can say.

farage, who said that all the problems with the war happened because the west wanted to expand. but everything is accurate, on the contrary, russians say so only when the west shows inconsistency. my favorite example is the 2008 nato summit in bucharest, because the russians attacked georgia because georgia did not receive a clear plan to join nato, but really wanted to. ukraine too, but then georgia wanted it more, but the western leaders succumbed to putin's arguments, and for that there was a price, and there is always a price, if we are inconsistent, and therefore must be made clear. by the same countries as in nato, with a very

similar composition, therefore they cannot be completely separated, often they are the same governments, and therefore here we must expect that nato will be somewhere in the same package, we must be positive, however, i believe that for ukrainians are important well to understand negotiations with the european union, i sometimes see and hear in some statements that we will sit.

to be honest, i appreciate les balcerowicz, but i don't like such an unambiguously positive view of the eu, as if it were some kind of entrance to heaven. the eu is a political organism, it also has its weaknesses, for example when it comes to the production of weapons, as revealed after putin's attack. this is compensated, but if i were talking to the ukrainians, i would also warn about the weaknesses that... a large open market, not just open, but it's 500 million consumers, it means that if someone is cost-effective, he

or she can produce the same products over a huge area, because the legislation is the same, if for example you set up a company in spain, you go there and you're assessed according to the same rules as... local business, we have uniform rules for the movement and employment of people, i am talking about such practical things as, for example, the principles of insurance, no matter what field we take, the eu opens up huge opportunities, and that's exactly what i would pay attention. during the eu summit at the end of the week, the candidacies of the new future heads of the european union were announced. the current head of the european commission, ursula funderlajen , may take this position for the second time. will go to the european parliament, a vote will take place during the session of the parliament. i really like when in this program we draw such political portraits, sketches, because a real portrait would require more time and effort. ursula fondelaien, it should be said, at one time took this position somewhat by accident, because 5 years ago, not her, someone else should have become

the head of the european commission. we have almost forgotten about it. yes, but then it happened that weber wanted to head the european commission, but weber could not. then there was to be franz thiemer. in poland, i am talking about the green course, for me, she showed herself here as a consistent and

courageous leader, relentless in achieving her goal. she announced the principles of the green course, ensured that it was included in all possible documents and in the budget, found. for this money, she was not entirely right about the green deal, but she was able to effectively implement its concept, today europe politically and economically thinks about reducing emissions and uses the principles of the green course, there are many advantages in this, after all, the green course is not only an issue of energy, it is a large module that concerns agriculture, a large program from the farm to the table, a certain concept of production and consumption of products in the close environment of the consumer, this is also a question. rebuilding cities to make them more energy efficient is a matter of changing politics, changing the entire lifestyle europeans, as i say, i do not completely agree, but i admire the consistency of ursula fonden, who has shown that she is a politician of a european scale, and the second thing is the reaction, february 24

, 2022. in this way, she is really building her position of political respect and the ability to lead the european union. what are the main challenges facing the new head of the european commission at the beginning of the next five-year term? in my opinion, these are huge environmental challenges. putin's ongoing war in ukraine. she is friendly but decisive towards the usa, she has a plan and it is clear that she is his will probably carry out the expansion, she will lead it, probably during her tenure

the expansion will not happen, because it will probably not fit in 5 years, but she has a chance to bring the expansion to a very progressive stage. it should develop european industry and develop the production of ammunition and weapons - a big thing. she has serious tasks, maybe she will go down in history, maybe, who knows, she will be remembered most often, as... on june 25 , the council of the european union decided to extend temporary protection for ukrainian refugees until march 4, 2026, an important decision, while each country has its own approach to this, what is the polish one? poland usually adds something to this eu package, we also extended this support, so

nothing new is happening, but of course there are things that are debatable today, for example linking the 800 plus payment to school attendance and compulsory education. here, poland is trying to adopt solutions that are already in place in other european countries, although they are also often contradictory. some think i don't know if you want pro is to speak i want and this is exactly what my next question to you is about: i would like to discuss a survey on the topic of public attitudes towards helping refugees, conducted in poland by opinia 24 and yu on behalf of the international rescue committee. this survey shows that while 79% of poles believe that ukraine needs humanitarian aid, and 72% support access to medicine and education, almost. half of poles, 44%, are against poland providing

long-term protection to refugees from ukraine in poland, and only 42% support it. this is the number of poles who believe that it is important, also for the good of poland, who notice the investments made by the working part of ukrainians, and i will note that 62% of ukrainian refugees who work in poland add their own. taxes and contributions to the development of the economy, stimulate it. for the other half of the poles, this remains unnoticed. why? because here everyone has their own. i also think that there are many people in kyiv who wanted ukrainians to return from poland to ukraine. maybe i 'll talk about my approach. i believe that states do not have a significant influence on decisions, which people accept. today, everyone makes decisions according to their own understanding and ambitions. therefore, if ukrainians are in poland, then we are interested in them... having good conditions, the same as poles, if a generation of young ukrainians is growing in poland, and it is growing, because

the war is going on, it will probably continue for a while, so their interests, as a polish citizen, a pole, that they have good conditions, that they have 800 plus for additional education, for studying in english, for a better school, for some electives, because this is what it is all about, i don't see a problem with this, it is in our interests as a polish state, because in the future they stay, pay taxes, have a better job, pay better taxes. money, if the ukrainians do not get it, it does not mean that they will go to ukraine, because they will find good conditions in germany or somewhere else, according to my boyish mind, our interest is that someone who lives here already two years and feels good here, he was not deprived of these allowances, it is not known whether he will go to ukraine, most likely he will go to some other country.

to me that the contribution of ukrainian refugees to the polish economy is 7% of gdp, and that the real challenge for poland will be the moment when all these people return home, i don't know if it's 7% or five, because there are different estimates, but - firstly, ukrainians definitely... wear a lot, and secondly, fortunately it does not happen that there was such a large community with over a million people, suddenly they all went somewhere at the same time, some will return, others will not return, and the third will still go somewhere , and someone else will come from other countries, it is unknown, there will be some kind of sociological situation, when we operate with large numbers, there is always some kind of sociological situation, it does not happen that everyone returns, it is in our interests that the ukrainians, if they already live here, feel good'. i think

it's too early for ukrainians living in poland to start voting here when they're not citizens, but when it comes to social benefits related to work, it's about fairness, and obviously they should be. you know, i am afraid when the contribution of ukrainians remains unnoticed, these positive aspects of partnership. but it's like in sociology, some will return, others will not, we do not know how many ukrainians will return. it scares me whether this sociology is the result of russian propaganda. if there are a million people here today, then people make decisions that are not in accordance with politics, unfortunately, not even in accordance with the end of the war, someone falls in love, someone's marriage broke up, someone just had children. politicians tend to see things very politically. i

tend to see everything in such a natural way of life, it's just that people have different lives. it's been two years, probably that... it will take some time, so we have to be fair and treat them fairly, those who work for us, have children, should have the same rights, so that these children are equal, so i also believe that children should go to school , because, of course, there are many political discussions about whether ukrainians should go to a polish school or not, if there is no other way out, let them go to a polish school, i would not want my children, i have four of them, to spend two years on the so-called distance school, because out of my four kids maybe one will have the guts to study online properly but i agree with you here. and this is very important, both for adaptation, and for socialization, and for overcoming the trauma with which a significant number of children come, especially from bombarded cities. and this is also good for

polish children, because i can see it from my youngest son, he doesn't even notice if someone is ukrainian or ukrainian. if a child went to school or after school to a house party and there came a ukrainian, a hungarian, anyone, someone from another country, with a different nationality, with a different language, it was emphasized, but now it is natural: who is this friend of yours? he says: you he likes you because you're pro -ukraine, he's ukrainian and that's great, for me it also creates such a natural diversity for our children, for raising our children, it enriches them, they get to know another culture, i recently heard from someone in ukraine , which is better...

we here too often talk about politics, tough politics, when, for example, a leader from our side or from your side says something, and we comment on it, it is sensational, and life flows in completely different rivers, such that, for example, our school, especially in big cities, where more ukrainians have really become more multicultural, i think everyone will benefit from this. i am glad that my children have friends who speak another language and spend the holidays a little differently. here we are similar, but at least there are small differences, they can discuss it, learn about this diversity, and this is very good for my son, because when he, for example, goes to study in the west, he will already know that not all people are the same. norman davies, a prominent british historian who writes a lot about poland, says that

poland used to be square because stalin the borders are where the poles themselves actually lived and... in the class there are several children of different nationalities or different skin colors, we had it very for example, for you it is probably normal, which is rare, but now thanks to the ukrainians this element has appeared variety, i think it's great. dialogue is a matter for politicians, journalists, and civil society, in the next issue we will talk about trump's peace plan for ukraine and military cooperation between north korea and russia, what to expect? it would be a program of close politics close of the world, pavel koval, maria gurska, watch us on pavel koval's youtube, on espresso

in ukrainian and read eu aunts in both languages. thank you! our greetings to all viewers, listeners of the tv channel, thank you for being with us, it's a new week and andrii smoliy and khrystyna yatskiv, so, a new week, new analytics, a new look at the events that will... happen during the week, that are happening with us and with our country right now, and of course we 'll also be talking to our guests, as i 've already announced, we'll have three... guest, after what at 9:15 p.m. in the second part, there will definitely be analytics, discussions, conversations with khrystyna yatskiv, well, let's share our thoughts with each other with you, and of course, we also want to

traditionally remind you about our survey, which we conduct every monday, today is a survey, more precisely, the question sounds like this: should ukraine agree to negotiations with the russian federation for participation. intermediaries, you can choose two answers. if yes, then call 0800-211-381, if not, call 0800 211 382 from your phones, from your smartphones, absolutely free. at the end of this hour, we will tally the intermediate results, at the end of the second we will have the final results. well, it is probably worth explaining a little to those who are just joining the espress broadcast. and in general to the information picture of this day and the last few days, which is about the fact that in the information space, in particular from the mouth of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi,

a thesis appears about, well, at least the possibility and efforts to implement the next model of at least some negotiations with the russian federation, and here the president gives an example of those negotiations that took place when the so-called grain corridor was functioning. ensured by the participation of the united nations organization and turkey, you remember that at that time it was actually 3:3 and ukraine and russia did not directly contact each other with all the responsibility, or the lion's share of the responsibility, after all , turkey and the un took upon themselves for to ensure this process, and here is a somewhat similar model, the president of ukraine suggested in an interview with trudy rubin kolonyst of the philadelphia inquirer regarding, well... at least stopping fire, as we understand it, i don't understand whether it's about the end of the war in general, and i don't think we can seriously talk about it until it is understood that the russian

federation and the russian president in particular will agree well, actually, this is the topic of our, our poll today, and it seems to me that this topic will be the leitmotif of our program today, let's listen now to what volodymyr zelensky said. this model was applied for the first time on the example of a grain corridor, when ukraine negotiated not with the blocking arm of russia, but we negotiated with the united nations organization, as well as with turkey, they in turn took responsibility for negotiating with us in a tripartite agreement, and then signing the corresponding agreement with the russian side, and so on.. . two mirror agreements between the un and turkey, signed with ukraine and separately signed with representatives of russia, worked, and

by the way, in addition to what volodymyr zelensky said, such opinions also began to be heard, including from some ukrainian experts, maybe our viewers have already seen it on social networks, i think that we, including them. and we will discuss this with our first guest, oleksandr musienko, director of the center for military legal studies. we are now in direct contact. mr. oleksandr, congratulations. good evening. good evening, i greet you. mr. oleksandr, you must have already seen the statements of mr. zelenskyi, you must have seen that, in general , such topics about a certain kind of negotiations are beginning to appear in the ukrainian information space. as do you generally rate these statements, can you? is it to be such an informational introduction in order to actually implement such

a model of change in a few months or closer to the end of the year? i think that this statement, which was made, should be perceived first of all as an attempt to ensure the durability of this process, which began after the global peace summit, well, what i mean, so as not to create impressions. that's all, the summit passed and that's all, well, that's all, that is, what happens next, and if nothing happens, how the summit was held, and what was the communiqué for, and so on, and just after this summit was held, there were statements from the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, from the deputy head of the president's office, kuleba and zhovku, respectively, about what will happen preparation for the next summit, it can take place already possibly in the fall and so on, and so on... right now the president is talking about the fact that by the end of the year we can see another plan, actually speaking, so first of all it should be perceived as ukraine does not abandon the

plan that... was proposed, but it exists the next point, also, is that somewhere, let's say, there may be certain signals from other countries, from the global south and so on, that they are ready to talk and consider this plan, but with certain considerations and with certain wishes and with certain remarks that they may have, and this includes what is called diplomacy, we have to find some ways, but i would... let's say, not much, you know, you said about what is being discussed in social networks, i would not rush to discuss something because in fact, nothing is clear yet globally, because it is still being decided on the battlefield, we are still waiting for the results of the elections in the united states, and without these two components, the understanding of how the russian negotiation process might shape up, whether it will shape up at all, or it will not take place, in what

form, through which mediators it is premature to say for now, the only thing that can be said is that there are two possible scenarios: peace can be won, that is, by military means, russia can be forced to fulfill the conditions that will be imposed on it, not their ultimatums, the bad things that putin announces about kherson, zaporizhzhia and so on, our demands are the first possible way, but this requires resources, this requires means, and this requires awareness of what is involved. .. can be achieved exclusively by military means, but here we approach the position of our partners, because there is a lot that is still unknown, again, our provision until the end of the year for next year, what will be the mood in connection with the elections that are taking place in in many capitals and in many countries should take place this year in the same way and so on, and the second scenario is that, given the trends that may develop, there is

such a possibility that we will have to... look for agreements, in particular because the event will also be us, to push us to this, to look for agreements that will involve not only concessions from the russian side, but from the ukrainian side, and it is not known what these concessions might be at the moment, what could happen and so on, and this is also an issue for today clear, so i'm summarizing the answer to i can say this question in such a way that before the end of the current year, the beginning of the next one, it will be clear... as to how the situation may develop and what track it will take, which i said, it is difficult to say for now, especially russia too , you see, russia will not take any steps towards it, even with losses, in spite of everything, they will also wait for the end of the year, they plan to increase their mobilization a little more in the fall, they plan, no matter what, to achieve certain

results on the battlefield and first of all. this is donetsk the area, of course, where the enemy is now conducting offensive operations. russia will also monitor how the elections will be held in the united states, what will be the situation in europe in connection with this and so on. and that's why before this plus they will consider the position of china. china is articulating certain initiatives, but it is also not in a hurry, at least not yet. and therefore, i think that even by the end of the year , the ukrainian president is speaking, and everyone is agreeing on... on the fact that earlier, but talking about some scenarios, even outlines of how it can to be which country can become a mediator, as in the case of the grain agreement, turkey, etc., talking about this for today is such a matter of no use, because there are still quite a lot of unknowns in this equation. oleksandr, please tell me, actually, if we are talking about the approach of autumn and certain important events.

across the ocean, how they will be reflected in our situation, then how would you comment in general quite briefly, maybe, you know, it has already been compressed in the necessary consistency in the head, what took place literally a few days ago, at the beginning of last week, the minister of defense, the ministers of defense of the russian federation and actually the united states, what is this all about, was it connected with putinsky? tour, north korea, vietnam, then, should it be considered as links of a single chain? to some extent, yes, but the united states is most interested in the issue of, ah, well, in general, they are interested in the transfer of technology, primarily to north korea, which gives the opportunity to develop the korean naval forces, this is the most concerns the united states.