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the front, which ihor lapin told us about, we already have updated data, that russia began an assault with its troops at the time of the yar already from the izstorets direction, in a word, this story on the front of donetsk, this is an attempt by the russians to repeat the events in avdiyiv and, accordingly , to create a semi-encirclement around the heights on which the time of the ivars stands, this is such an idea on the front. what idea the russians have been playing for a long time, we will now find out from our guests, because from the first of july in the very russia, as a permanent member of the un security council , has taken over the baton of the presidency, and we can already see that, in fact, russia's representative at the un , nibendzia, as well as the numerous delegation that has now arrived in new york, will try to play the game. forcing the un to

put pressure on ukraine with all their strength and every fiber of the body as part of a kind of capitulation, that is, some kind of cease-fire on the borders, where the backs will back to the front during this month. in a word, a country that violates all possible conventions and the un charter, presides over the un security council with a blocking package. on any other initiatives, the situation is simply unrealistic, and about other such moments of the perfect storm, in which ukraine is now at the epicenter, let's talk with pavel zhovnirenko, chairman of the board of the center for strategic studies, mr. pavle, congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory, good morning , i started with russia, which now chairs the un security council, well , this is even worse than the ukrainian one.

do you know, where a wolf is guarding the flock, or a pike was thrown into the river, what can they achieve this month apart from information campaigns? i can't explain anything, but the information campaign is quite powerful, and in principle, the organization of the united nations is just dead, precisely because of two reasons, because of the principle of the consensus veto practically in the organization in the security council and because of membership in this in un security council, russia. russia could not be there, this is a long topic, but the un was created in the 45th year, when everyone thought , including... the states, and britain, and belgium, everyone thought that after such a terrible war, all people would want peace , all countries will want peace, and therefore the soviet union was invited to the united nations organization, which was practically created by great britain and the united states, and as a decision-maker, one of

the five main members of this organization, this mistake was that the founding fathers of the un and members , who founded them. thought that everyone would be for peace, they could not imagine that there are pathological countries that just want war, this was exactly the case with russia, and it proves it. mr. pavle, if it is dead, why should it be burned and pushed? let's let's move on to completely living organisms, but in particular, in the european union , hungary begins to preside with absolutely clear pro-russian narratives regarding the russian-ukrainian war and the absolute conflict. regarding the standards of the european union and the standards of nato, now orban is in kyiv, and his press secretary says, in particular, he will talk about peace with president zelensky. it seems to me that he confused the capitals, he had to go to moscow with these theses, he came to kyiv. what will come of all this,

orban will solve only his own question, so that to join the far-right in the european parliament, the fact that the prime minister of italy gave him an ultimatum. is there a bigger game here? well, he will now play the role of a dove of peace, that is, i would like to say the same phrase that chamberlain once said after the conference in munich: i brought you peace, what did it lead to, we remember the conferences in munich, but orbán now, he is working his narratives are not only pro-russian, he also has pro-american ones, if, that is, by pro-american you mean pro-trump ones, that is exactly what i wanted to say, if you take the slogan that i changed yesterday orvan under during. before their election , they had the slogan of the presidency of the european council of the european union, make europe great again, that is, a complete carbon copy of trump's, so according to the rules of pr, they

did everything in two steps, first they made this slogan, which will work for trump unequivocally, and secondly, they replaced one word, instead of gray they put... that is , we will make europe competitive again, that is, six months from now, which hungary will preside over, and during which there will also be elections in the united states, there will be a narrative here both pro-russian and pro-trump, and we remember the relationship between trump and russia. well, actually, in difficult relations, as they say with trump, but he also has changes, here is the decision of the supreme court of america, which actually grants them... immunity, and we understood that the decision of the judges on trump could significantly affect election campaign, biden has already commented on it, already, as they say, the president of the united states is upset by this decision of the supreme court, in a word, this big

election, presidential race is becoming, well, at least influencing all events in the world, well, we we see that the judge's decision does not affect... trump's voters, they would still be for him if they voted, and studies show that his rating practically does not fall. i want to say that what orban and trump have in common in peacemaking with regard to ukraine is to make peace at the expense of ukraine. they don't ask ukraine if they have any opinion of their own, they just state it, they want to state it before the fact. that's what they have in common. well, that is, you will actually agree to putin's formula, because if ... the peace agreement will consist of territorial losses of ukraine and fixing is not, well, as they say, a cease -fire on the front line, right now or at the time of signing, well, is it capitulation, or will they play it differently, this is not a peace agreement, we call it a peace

agreement, we perfectly understand that any peace agreement implies that it has to be implemented, any, yes, any negotiations lead to something... is signed and it has to be implemented, how can russia perform, what hopes can we have and anyone has any idea that russia would do it, when it didn't care about the charter organizations of the united nations, which are signed. ignored helzinsky's decision of the helsinki conference on non-violation of borders in more than 150 agreements with ukraine, she ignored it, and now we hope, they hope, that we, we will sign a new agreement and russia will comply. there is such a concept in diplomacy in international relations , contractual capacity. negotiating capacity of a country is its ability to enter into and, importantly, fulfill agreements. ugh. it is not possible to conclude new agreements with... a country that is not able to negotiate, and that is practical

it is said in the vienna convention on the law of international treaties, so we must proceed from this, well, we remember the old historical german wisdom that even the paper on which the agreement with russia is signed is not worth anything , nothing has changed, but at the same time we, we we are surprised by a certain playing of the card, ukrainian independence in the framework of election campaigns of political... battles both in europe and america, but we cannot understand why then kyiv and ukraine are officially pedaling the topic in order to speed up the second round of elections in the usa to hold a second peace summit already with the participation of russia, and it seems to be an exit to some kind of peace agreement, that is why we hope for it, we are pedaling, president zelensky says, we are preparing, if there are no signs from the kremlin. no from putin to the fact that he is ready to consider any peace talks as a tactic at all, and

there are only piskov's statements, and it is against their background that the escalation, bombing and everything else takes place. putin, on the contrary, in my opinion, is playing a long game, so why should we pedal the second summit? i myself cannot understand why president zelenskyi, he has different points of view every specific moment, that is, we remember. at the very beginning he said that i just wanted to look each other in the eye, we would sit down and agree, yes, then the situation changed, he saw that it was impossible to agree, and he directly said that no negotiations with russia until they come out, they will withdraw all their troops from the territory of ukraine, which they entered after february 20, february 24, 2022, but it cannot be, but there is a president, and there are those who... are negotiating, and here we remember , suppose the istanbul negotiations, yes in march 22, well, there

was the same story, they said the same thing, that we brought peace, we, we, we have such wonderful agreements, we have such guarantors of security, where is the fifth article of the washington treaty , this was not a dream, in reality we see, then they quieted down, after the atrocities that were committed there, after the victories of ukrainian weapons, they quieted down, peacemakers, and in fact... uh, they started this reanimation of the peace of peace theme it is not clear to me even from a logical point of view, when america was delaying us arms supply for six months, then there were no talks about a peace agreement, only america unblocked, only we received 61 billion, literally a week later a wave began, and both abroad and from within, it would seem that ukrainians were patriots, well, not what it seemed but ... well, i know many of them, normal, adequate analysts, and at the same time they say that it is necessary to negotiate, well,

you remind them about the ability to negotiate, or rather not the ability to negotiate in russia, there is no answer to this, but let's to agree well, you don't have an answer to these difficult questions, and the world has absolutely no answer to why certain historical events are repeated and copied. now there can be no negotiations with someone who tears up, spits on contracts, there can be no, and we do not say that no, we remember no agreements, the west would understand this, because we remember, the west despite all his fluctuations, he always said and repeats again and again that there can be no decisions on ukraine without ukraine. that is, the ball is in ukraine's field. yes, mr. pavle, thank you for participating in the program. paul

zhovnirenko, chairman of the board of the center for strategic studies. in fact, we are living in this information dilemma when statements are heard from kyiv. our victory is no russian military on our territory. and then the following statement that the second round of elections in the usa must be held urgently. the peace summit, and here we are in such a dualism in this information field, we will now talk about the actual business... we will talk internally-ukrainian, and viktor bobarenko, an expert of the bureau, will join us of analysis and politics, mr. viktor, congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, good health to you, i am very glad to see each other, it was very loud there today in your sums , there was a lot of hooting, well,

there was nothing in the sums themselves, but in we have 17 front-line communities located in the 20 km left zone, it rains there every day, today, it seems, five or six communities were attacked, including from artillery systems, we have some communities knocked out altogether, there are velikopysarivska, bilopolska , divination, the middle of butska, well, scorched earth and border areas, well we understand, mr. viktor, to the matter of the ukrainians, we have just looked from the outside at the geopolitical dimension of these things around ukraine. pavel zhovnirenka and i somehow did not find the internal ukrainian dilemma, well, if only the golden key, because one day they tell us that putin does not understand any words, rest assured, we must fight until the moment when the last russian soldier leaves the territory of ukraine, and then immediately there is a statement that we must

hurry, here and there a refined peace formula will be ready. the necessary peace summit to have time to conduct trump-biden before the elections, but why should such dual, absolutely mutually exclusive things be played in ukrainian domestic information policy? probably zelenskyi knows a little more than we do, but it is possible that he is somewhere, i think that they say that there is a guy like volodymyr oleksandrovich, well, you say that there in... you went to the borders in 1991, yes, we recently focus groups were conducted, then actually the majority of people are just supported somewhere at the level of 70%, well, in the studies in which my organization participated, up to 70% of people, when their asks what do you consider victory to be,

it is an exit to the borders of 1991, it is clear, our volodymyr oleksandrovich is very... electorally and dependent on applause, so he adjusts accordingly to the main group, electorally, yes, which considered such a victory, and he considered it such at the time, but the situation is changing, we see that the further we go, the more people say, well , screw crimea, let's make peace where, well, the main thing is to stop shooting, it's his words, yes, that is, to return again to of zelensky's narratives there at the end of the 18th year. the main thing is to stop shooting, and they will feel for such an opportunity just in case, because now, if you leave, volodymyr oleksandrovich, tell me your concept of peace, how do you see peace, here we are working on a peace plan , and i immediately shoot down his peace plan, in

your peace plan there is an exit to the borders of 1991, there is none, but that's all then. then tell your plan, or they will work out a plan, and not tell the main thing, but the main thing the question in this regard, in your opinion, whose crimea? it is clear that the way many people in the west see it, including in and especially in china, there in the global south, they see the end of the war as exactly who stood there and the slippers, yes, that is, they stopped. and in fact, the front line of the hundred becomes the demarcation line, that is, the korean version. we know that it is not necessarily a war, as they say, all wars end with peace agreements, not a fact, peace agreements, but there is still no peace agreement signed between the japanese and the russians, yes, between the koreans, between britain and argentina, by the way, there is a war in 1982, there is still

no peace agreement, the falklands, which is de facto in england. but argentina doesn't recognize this, that 's it, and it could end the same way with us, but what kind of peace agreement volodymyr oleksandrovich doesn't say anything, like it's a big secret, a big military secret, on the contrary, in a normal country, you have to talk about such things, volodymyr oleksandrovich he says, there are guys like that, there is a seagull, a chickadee, and what do you think, and what if everything stays like that, as it is now there, like, what do you think there, like roman, what do you think, viktor, there is a type, and i will tell. what do i think about this, and how to keep it a big secret, we hear you these arguments, which you oppose precisely with the mood and sociological survey. there and the studies that you conducted, in particular including, yes in this case, then why is this being pedaled, i.e. is it an initiative, as

they say, from the bank, or is it under pressure from external factors, because we can see that orban came and the press secretary says, we will talk about peace, there may be some other factors that they are putting pressure, i think, including orban, and orban can say there... some provocative things, and yes, i think that everyone off camera says something like this, that volodymyr oleksandrovich, well, okay, how are you going to be a military man by deoccupying, well, the south there is more or less, and the luhansk-donetsk agglomeration, where the stone jungle is, if the russians took avdiivka there for six months, how much will you take donetsk there or horlivka, how much. you will take years and, that is , you have a solution to the military, no, yes, but okay, even if you won, drove them out of from donetsk, from luhansk, from crimea, there, and you

have volodymyr oleksandrovich, for crimea, there are tens of thousands of teachers of language, history, so why not allow the same ones on the threshold of the school, who now teach russian history to its children, and the children, for example, there are fifth and seventh graders who have not heard the ukrainian language before, because they went to the first grade already in... occupied crimea or in donetsk, whatever happens to them, you have some kind of plan there, but anyway, we will give the veterans of the donetsk militia, a participant, well, combat operations, they will receive ubd, but no matter what, we will be, ukraine will be paid to the children of the dead, just like they do in poltava, kharkiv and lviv, for example, and will donetsk widows be paid? they too, if they fought, they are citizens of ukraine, and we do not have an answer to these questions, no one even thinks about it, and that is why i think that the americans are roughly saying that volodymyr

oleksandrovych may have brought slippers there, but they say this not to the cameras, not to the cameras, only trump can say that this is what i have a concrete plan for, and it's like either you put up with it, or i don't give it to you weapons and money, that's about it. yes, well , everyone, everyone is a civilization, everyone speaks for ukraine, but not on camera, this is what i'm telling you, mr. viktor, we have one more minute, but you, i'm listening to you, and it reminds me of such a historical déjà vu 2008 georgia , they were also forced to actually call the aggressor a peacemaker, sign peace agreements and agree with the occupied territory, then they are preparing such a georgian version for us, is it just that you don’t have such a model yet? will be offered zelensky, but we understand that putin

will not go for it now until the spring, because putin is sure that he will take more, that we may not survive the winter in our blackouts and that the west will give up on us, but when march 25 comes conditionally of the year, we will come out of the winter even stronger and... if god wills, we will intercept the initiative in the air, and then the strategic initiative, then putin himself will send emissaries around, saying that let's put up with the korean method, who stood where and there will be, and there will be a holy russian land. mr. viktor, thank you for analysis of the current situation, comment viktor boberenko, expert of the bureau of analysis and policy about the current situation, here it is, no, not tsutswang, but many historical parallels. is invited when you listen to our experts, that of pavel zhovnirenka, that of viktor bobarenko. okay, we'll take a short break, but here's the picture, the events of this hour, the team

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