the delegations of cuba, panama and india supported the resolution, and then we launched the process. the destruction of culture and identity was not included in the convention, although rafal lemkin, who coined the term genocide, very clearly thought and spoke about the destruction of culture as one of the key elements of genocide. that is, destruction of culture, burning of books, destruction of museums, detonation. well, surely we can certainly use them as signs of intent. during his lifetime, rafal lemkin drew attention to moscow's previous crimes against ukrainians. in in a 1953 report, lemkin described the kremlin's attempts to destroy the ukrainian nation as soviet genocide in ukraine. one of the methods of that genocide was the holodomor. artificially created by moscow famine in ukraine 1900 32-33 years,

which took the lives of almost 4 million ukrainians, and not only that. the author of the word genocide drew attention to the systematic imprisonment and execution of ukrainian teachers, writers, artists, thinkers and political leaders, starting in the 1920s. in general, over a million people were arrested in ukraine during the soviet period, 140,00 of them shot the generation of hundreds of ukrainians destroyed by terror. writers and artists were later called a shot revival. ukraine is very easily susceptible to national destruction, when it is carried out by attacking selected parts of its population. therefore , communist tactics there differed from the pattern of german attacks on jews. the ukrainian nation is too populous to be completely destroyed with any efficiency. however, its religious, intellectual and political leadership, its selective and... decisive parts are

quite few, so they are easily liquidate, that is why the soviet ax hit with full force precisely on these groups. almost 100 years after the genocide that lemkin spoke about, the kremlin decided to repeat in ukraine the proven tactics of selective extermination of ukrainians. a warning about this was sounded at the level of the un security council a week before the full-scale invasion. conventional attacks are far from all that russia plans to inflict on the people of ukraine. we have information that indicates that russia will target specific groups of ukrainians. a few days before the invasion, the us representative at the un office wrote a letter that said we have reliable information that indicates that... russian forces are creating lists

of specific ukrainians to kill or send to camps after the military occupation. these lists included journalists, activists, and generally those who oppose russia's actions. very soon these warnings came true. after the liberation of the north of ukraine from the russian occupation , concrete evidence about these lists began to appear, in particular from buchi. there was evidence of the existence of the shooters. the fact that russian soldiers were leaving the house to the house, they were looking for specific people, so there were no, you know, cases where just a drunk soldier really wanted to pull the trigger, it was planned in advance, they had lists, i see lists printed, not handwritten , someone from maybe local people somewhere dictated some collaborations, maybe there were, but they were prepared, they were printed, that is , they knew where they were going... to which

address and to whom, and what kind of person it was. later, testimonies about the organized work of the russians on the lists rang out from other released persons territory the city of kherson in southern ukraine was occupied by russian troops almost from the first days of the full-scale invasion and began to systematically kidnap people. among them was the chief doctor of one of the kherson hospitals and a former city deputy. councilor of kherson leonid remyga. here, more than 500 km from buchi, he also talks about the lists of all the activists who were, the former deputies who remained such with active positions, yes, they had these lists, and they knew everything about everything, about all the activists, and those , who did not have time to leave, they arrested almost all of them. at first russians went to leonid remyga in the hospital

to persuade him to cooperate. subsequently, he was detained and imprisoned in the building of the pre-trial detention center. during interrogations, the doctor was pressured for his pro-ukrainian position. there were also accusations that, as a deputy, i voted against the russian language on the territory of kherson, that i voted for the renaming of these communist symbols, and so on, they had all the documentation already ready for me, well , it was specific, you voted for it at the session, yes , i voted, did you participate? in shares, there regarding ukrainian ones, yes, i say, yes, i do took part, along with leonid remyga , approximately 140 other people were kept in the building, beaten and tortured, as the doctor remyga helped

as best he could. i was in the same cell with a guy, well , he was asked a lot every day, there were incredible screams, he was... brought into the cell, he was covered in blood, all blue was beaten, we even bandaged him, well, sorry, toilet he tied his legs there with paper. with violence, psychological and physical, they tried to suppress, in particular, ukrainian patriotism. if you don't, you don't sing the anthem of russia, they are given you have a few there, yes, it is obtained in order for you to learn the hymn. and then, if the camera opens, you have to stand tall and shout: "glory to russia, glory, glory to putin, glory to russia, glory to shaig, if you don't shout this or someone else, then they will take you to the kovidor and beat you, just to death,

they were just mocked, they were mocked, if they heard the ukrainian language there, for example, it scared them very much. we were forced to speak in real russian in order to protect ourselves from beatings, from mockery and so on. oleksiy sivak also spent 54 days in the same building of the detention center in kherson. when problems with food began in kherson during the russian occupation, he and his friends cooked soups for the townspeople. he also... participated in underground resistance, printed pro-ukrainian and anti-russian leaflets, painted and hung ukrainian national symbols around the city. in the end, the russians came to his home. in prison, he was not only beaten, but also tortured with electric shock.

electricity was connected to the ears, to the genitals, beatings, the effects were different. for example, to the corners when the electrodes are connected, well, i was still wearing a cap. the skull is visible, his skull and electric discharges, during one of the interrogations, something like, where the fascists, i’m already baptizing myself, i say, there were no fascists in the city before you, oleksiy’s memories of violence due to nationality are strikingly similar to the stories of the doctor remiga, they were forced to shout, khutlar, well, i, glory to shoigu, glory to russia, well, if he wants, the guard, or like them, the jailers, pokes his finger, like, sing the anthem of russia, and if he didn’t sing,

even if he did, there were people who learned , it doesn't matter, the intonation is not the same, let's say they were taken out into the corridor, shock. they beat, with batons, and they didn’t encourage the ukrainian language, so to speak, you couldn’t speak, well, like that, that is, they didn’t understand right away, they started beating you, speak humane, the russians released leonid remyga and oleksiy sivak at the end october 2022, when they were already preparing for retreat. on november 11 , ukrainian troops entered the city, but eight months of occupation showed... the systematic terror of the russians against ukrainian patriots, a similar pattern in all the occupied territories. in in february 2024, dmitry medvedev openly approved the policy of repression against ukrainians who do not want occupation. there is such a problem as

the zhduns, what to do with them, these are the people who received russian passports, because it is more convenient that way, and deep in their hearts they are waiting for ukrainian tanks. if these are people who harm russia, then they should be exposed and punished, sent to siberia, that is, for re-education. the target is a national group, not an ethnic, racial or religious group. in the case of ukraine, it is not so important what nationality or religion you are, if you belong to a political community. indeed, the attacks are first of all aimed at these most prominent representatives of the state or the ukrainian national group, yes, who are actually the face of this group, that is, the calculation is most likely in the russian federation that... after the disappearance of these persons, there will be no further need such a large-scale genocidal campaign. it also strikingly

echoes how rafal lemkin described the soviet genocide in ukraine in his 1953 report. there was no attempt to completely kill ukrainians, such as the method the german attack on the jews. and less so, if the soviet program achieves complete success, in... the country will die as if all ukrainians were killed, because it will lose that part of the people that preserved and developed its culture, its beliefs, its unifying ideas, who paved the way for it and gave it a soul, i.e. made it a nation and not just a population. the un genocide convention also does not speak exclusively about attempts to completely destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, it speaks of complete destruction. or partial, by definition, it is genocide in general

not about the number of victims. even if you kill one person or two, if you can clearly show that there was an intent to destroy the group, genocide has been committed. so, was this intention sufficiently demonstrated, cases of mass murder, deportation, russification of children, russian propaganda, targeted attacks on ukrainians and ukrainian culture are enough for many to talk about genocide, not only for individual political leaders, the polish parliament declared about genocide . violence that is used deliberately and systematically by the troops of the russian federation against civilian residents of ukraine, has signs of genocide. parliaments of latvia, lithuania, estonia and canada. the russian federation is committing acts of genocide against ukrainians. as well as the parliaments of the czech republic and ireland,

but parliaments are not international courts. hard, irrefutable evidence may indeed be insufficient for an international court. it can be extremely difficult to prove an unequivocal and indisputable genocidal intent in court. even in the case of the deportation of children, the international criminal court limited himself to the accusation of a war crime, not genocide. if you're a lawyer or a prosecutor trying to put individual criminals in prison to answer for their crimes, this may be a smart strategy, given how difficult it is to prove genocide, because let rafal lemkin coin the term genocide, the courts are all they will not rely on his broad vision, on the narrow text of the un convention, and most likely on the established practice, as international lawyer william shabas... is convinced, under such conditions , there is no evidence of genocide in ukraine for the court enough do you need it? russians can be

successfully prosecuted without this. in my opinion, too much energy is spent arguing about whether something is genocide or not, when there is no argument that war crimes were committed. this is quite obvious. there is a lot of evidence of such crimes. and there will be no great debate. i think the same applies to crimes against humanity. so in that sense, it's just kind of distracting. on the other hand, the term genocide has the right to life not only in courtroom, emphasizes eugene finkel, who was one of the first scientists to accuse russia of committing genocide in ukraine. remember, genocide is a legal term, but it is also an analytical term. the level of guilt required to put someone in prison for the crime of genocide is different from

looking at what is happening as a whole and saying it is genocide. i see no reason not to use this term for analytical purposes to describe what happens if it meets the criteria, out of court and i wouldn't use it if it wasn't. ukrainian... scientist dmytro koval adds that it is impossible to explain the russian-ukrainian war without using the term genocide. genocide is the most appropriate term to explain. the motives of the russian federation, the motives of individual leaders of the russian federation and to explain how the current conflict is integrated into the chain of historical events, that is, when we want to understand what are the causes of the suffering of ukrainians at the hands of the russian state, representatives of the russian state, we absolutely need to use the term

genocide to actually tell this story. this story is experienced differently by the victims of russian crimes. oleksiy sivak from kherson, who was mocked by the russians for almost two months, clearly sees the historical parallels we talked about. the saddest thing is that i have the same experience as our grandfathers, great-grandfathers and our ancestors. we know history, but we don't teach it. we make the same mistakes, in fact, the weapons change, but the methods remain the same. doctor leonid remyga, who was imprisoned in the same kherson, well understands the true purpose of the russian full-scale invasion. we realized that, despite the fact that we have great

family ties with russia, it's just not people, it's just, unfortunately... in the will of oleg abramov, who was killed in a massacre, the strength to live on gives hope for justice. i believe in justice, i expect victory, because of that i live, i want to see, i am the triumph of justice. their suffering and mental wounds will not become greater or less depending on what the verdict calls the actions of the victims, which they became, a war crime, a crime against humanity or genocide, but will historical

justice really be complete if the word genocide does not sound?

congratulations, the peculiarity of russian propaganda is that they can talk for hours about how

they will bomb warsaw, paris or london there. but the russian propagandists are not at all interested in what is happening there in some tambov or kazan. well, this week, it's just like that, you know, just a textbook example of this story, of course there are events that are hard not to notice, they could have not noticed, but here, for example, there was such a storm in st. petersburg that the taps fell, well, i had to mention it, because it is somehow very difficult not to remember, it would be somehow impossible not to notice such a bright event that everyone else noticed, it is also very difficult did not notice how the light disappeared in the belgorod region. but not only in belgorod, but also in voronezh and kursk regions, they even had to say something about it. so far, it has not been possible

to fulfill the task set by the supreme commander. i hope, hope that the challenge will still be closer sometimes done. a sanitary zone will be created. the ukrainian military managed to leave several large areas of the belgorod region without electricity for half a day. practically all of belgorod was without power today. even the traffic lights didn't work there today. and they were hit by drones at electrical substations. judging by the few reports that were published, some objects were mined. subversive groups are probably working. life in the dark, life without electric light sets one in a philosophical mood. moreover, which is strange, somehow does not set him in a philosophical way, understanding, you know, such cause-and-effect relationships, why this is happening, because right there

he begins to tell how to deprive ukraine of electricity even more, so they are engaged in this for two years, and then they are terribly surprised that such a thing is happening in the belgorod region, and again they continue to tell stories in the same spirit. wants to hope that the ukrainian energy system will be finished. it is my cherished wish that there should be no electricity at all in ukraine, except for the one that works from gasoline, diesel generators. for this, it is necessary to destroy the open distribution electricity systems of two nuclear power plants, yuzhnoye and khmelnytskyi, after which they will stop producing electric current, after which there will simply be no electricity in ukraine, in order for the ukrainian state to be destroyed and not exist.

regarding ukraine, how will they agree with them there, will they not agree, well, but, you understand, there are also nuclear power plants in russia, so a big hello to all residents. regions of russia, because the chatter of just such people, and their eyes constant shouts, they lead to the fact that there is periodically no light in certain regions of russia, well, probably there won’t be any more, if it goes like this, well, this is that, so what other news is there, well, of course, russian propagandists, except these are short riddles of some kind, that something is already happening in russia, for the most part. dedicated to the elections in the united states, france, or somewhere else, but if the biggest news, in fact, such an intra-russian one, suddenly

turned out to be the arrival of an american rapper, this straight hyper, some such news, which for some reason russian propagandists, well, it just turned out to be much more important than everything that is happening in russia taken together. the american rap star, despite endless delusions about russia, came to moscow. first , the performer was spotted in the subway near the willing row, then in the guma cafe. a little later, kanye west arrived at a hotel near the kremlin, where literally crowds of fans gathered. the arrival in the capital of the american scandalous rapper was the first visit of the american it must be said, what about this one

they had been talking about his arrival for months, they were waiting for him as if it were something so global and very important, well, in all these traditions of russian propaganda, they followed every step, where he scratched his nose, where he ate, where he went, where... he looked, well with whom he spoke, with whom he did not speak, well, you know, but if at the same time you suddenly do not know who kanyewest is, you are not particularly worried there, because the russian propagandists, who were issued a manual to tell about all this , also do not really know who they were a little surprised at what they actually had about him speak, let's draw ours in chorus, what are you afraid of? in fact , no one in this studio knows who he is, but before the start of our

broadcast, i conducted a micro-sociological survey. survey, walked with the phone, are you humming something from kanyewest? georg for some reason answered me with some kind of words, he doesn't like me, i guess. in short, no one knows kanyewest's songs, but his visit caused a stir. the visit became sensational. for those who didn't understand, kanye west came to moscow, he flew in for one day to congratulate his friend, designer gosha rubchinsky. who it? well, who is it? the question of the russian propagandists, who are all these people we have to talk about, they ask, and you know, not only did they not know who it was, but even those who met this kanivest under the hotel, it turns out, also did not know which he, because this is the crowd that gathered there, they rushed to some other dark-skinned man, started taking pictures with him there, demanding some

autographs from him. well, that's all, all the hype , then it turned out that it was just some random person, well, that's right, maybe they're just there they drove them into a cup to create a natu, they didn't know why, where and why they were actually driven there, well, but it's still interesting, what kind of person is this, yes, well, it's really like that, well, i i would say that this was already a very famous rapper in the past, now his star is fading a little and now... he is forced to maintain this status of his somehow with various scandals, and these scandals are also very, you know, amazing, well, but in russian they invest in a propaganda narrative, that is, in order to be among russian propagandists, you need two main things in principle, well, first of all , you need to be an anti-semite, and he is this kanivest, he is an anti-semite, that is, he got among his own. known as a long-time friend

of donald trump, i don’t know, maybe there is also some spicy rhyme in this with the upcoming elections, his wife regularly walks naked, it also suggests, if she were naked on the street, so practically there is a sail of fabric, stripes and everything, worried, that it will also take place here in this form, it's not lgbt, it's normal, i'm not like that in moscow on the streets see, that's not the point, the point is that kanye west was really trying to do poly'. well, you have to respect hitler, that's clear, well

, that is, here he is simple. well, he literally got into the main thing and of course the russian propagandists could not fail to notice that he had come of his own. kanye himself is a fan of hype, scandals, hype: you are not hitler, you are not a nazi, you do not deserve to be called and demonized like that. i see good in hitler, and in the jews too, i love them all. i 'm done with classifications. every person has it something valuable that he brought to life, especially hitler. kanye west praised hitler in a mask. this is another disgusting turn in the rapper's anti-semitic comments. an eccentric guy in general. well, such an eccentric guy, you know, and hitler brought good things to him, well, it must have been millions of people killed by gas chambers, it really brought good things. well, again, the favorite technique of russian propaganda is to confuse.

to say a victim and a criminal, well, i don't see the difference between them, well, really, when you live in russia, you are a criminal yourself, so how can it be otherwise, only that you can say, well, everyone who is exactly like them, you see, they gather everyone to themselves such an impression that all the junk in the world, but as soon as there is someone like that, like that , somehow, he showed himself in such a way bright, the russians immediately flock to him, well, because, well, all the junk has to be collected. in russia, and at the same time, of course, for them this is literally a breakthrough of the blockade, the main thing, well , that is, as the russian propagandists went on to say, how important it is that such a beautiful person, who is a fan hitler and an anti-semite came to them, well, this is separate, literally worth listening to, kani's arrival.