it's like coercion from the west, but if we go to the search engine and type in the phrase the ambassadors of the g7 recommended, we will see that in fact with a frequency of once a month, in recent years in the conditions of the harsh phase of the war, the ambassadors of the g7 indicate to us finger, dear, there is a possibility that there will be corruption holes in this or that draft law, if it is adopted, it is proposed to implement it there. these or other schemes, and in fact a paradoxical situation emerges, when european states through the mouths of their ambassadors, they in fact, they are forced to carry out certain anti-corruption measures at least partially. i am not talking about the issue of the state's reputation, by the way, these are also quite serious things, because when we see that the west is getting tired of ukraine, the west makes big pauses regarding financial support, including. and weapons, we must remember that this

is also the merit of ukraine, also the merit of our government, which does not work, does not demonstrate, and to which, unfortunately, there are questions, and, you know, eh, as forrest gump said, that life is a box candy, you never know when it's going to run out, and some people really want to have access to that box of candy all the time and always eat something sweet. on the other hand, ihor valeriovych kolomoisky, who is currently sitting behind bars, said that life is a supermarket and sooner or later you come to the cash register and have to pay, and by the way , oklyna is now in such a situation that she has to restructure her debts, otherwise she may find herself in default, in default, and i think our western partners now have a great opportunity to explain to some people why you cannot steal because, well, because there simply will be no money, and ukraine must be supported, but in any case, you know how working with, i was once a volunteer, worked with these people who tried to get rid of .. addictions, you always

help people, but then at some point you realize that a person does not want to change, he just constantly needs money to buy himself and simply transfers it to the category of what, well, we give you the minimum amount of money, as it is now done in canada, in germany, in many other countries, there in holland, on you can live there at least somehow, but i don't want ukraine to come to a state where we will be treated like a drug addict from corruption, and they will say, well , we just need to give a dose so that it doesn't just die there i wouldn't want to anyway, and yes. i really wouldn't want to. mrs. iryna, finishing the topic of tyshchenko, i would like to ask your opinion. ah support, the support of this deputy has now been refused, at least officially by the spokesmen, the servant of the people. the person to whom he appealed to his own photo, in his posts, tyshchenko, this is the head of the president's office, andriy yermak, who is his godfather, and nepotism in ukraine, for some reason such a fetish is very developed, said that it is not with him.

relationship now, this is the separation from him of people who could, well, obviously influence his fate, does it mean something, whether and whether it is evidence that even many people in power understand that there is no limit, and so mr. tyshchenko has come and let everything be according to the law, as the law decides, so let it be in his life, and this will be a lesson for other people who want to walk somewhere with checks from the non-existent tsk, and or some other things. think up to the point of depriving a serviceman of his freedom of movement and beating him, please, well, look, let's talk like this, when he became very toxic, then you can make statements, but in normal society, i literally, while mr. koshel was telling us important things, allowed myself a little i googled it and looked at the bbc headlines: johnson leaves the british parliament because of a scandalous party, we also remember that in... britain

violation of quarantine, and when he violated quarantine rules, that is, when your government established quarantine rules and restrictions during covid, you violated them, you take responsibility for it, and this is a level of consciousness when people understand that they have to act somehow, yes, not to make some political statement, i, not me, and so on, but to take some real steps, well, we can't wait for tyshchenko to draw up a mandate, he will... hit the phones, well, they understand that are already entering such a taxi field of styshchenko that it is easier to make a statement that we are not with him, but well, well, we also understand real things, to make a statement and not support it, well, that's also a question, we'll see, because you can make a lot of political statements, and then try to influence the system, you know, i'm the one people write in comments, by the way , people, i am asking people, the viewers are our dear listeners, well, who might be busy with some

things just listening, someone might be watching on youtube, people are writing in the chat, please, by the way, like, sign, comment, share our a video on youtube, specifically the espresso tv channel, who wrote the post? points ala karpovich, what kind of corruption was there in poland and now, i can't compare now, i wasn't in poland then, i was now, well, i didn't encounter corruption in poland, but i obviously understand that there is some progress, i don't remember i don't know if it's one of them, but back in the days of the russian empire , there was a mayor in kyiv who paid money to his subordinates, well, he was a rich man, so that they wouldn't take bribes, that is , he still understood that they won't be gone without money, it will still take somewhere, so i'd rather... that he work and not take bribes, well, such a way of fighting corruption was used, for example, but it was still not eradicated, i just, again , do not know the experience of poland in the fight against corruption, so i will not say, but obviously, if a person writes, maybe there is some information, about one more story about,

about, by the way, if someone wants to speak about poland, either panirina or mrs. oleksiy, then i can or not, or the experience of poland, i will quickly literally make one remark. i will say that my colleagues went even to those communities where the budget is not very good large, and there are quite developed communities there, because they followed the path of decentralization, so we have been carrying out this reform for 10 years, and in principle , every community there has learned how to earn money, see where they can create jobs, how to attract investments, and that's fine a very good example, because poland passed this stage well. and we, when we started decentralization, we, we gave resources down, but we did not introduce the control function, you see, and there is a problem with this, when you give resources and do not control them, well then there are corruption risks, that's for sure,

yes, i know that romania's experience is excellent, there was such a wonderful official who fought corruption, i just won't remember her name now, but the experience is there, even the countries that were in... in the so-called, not in the so-called, in the countries of the warsaw pact, also, the countries of soviet influence, and, but even there, after the collapse of the ussr, this struggle was quite effective, but volodymyr lytvyn once said, i remember his phrase that if you you take a green cucumber and throw it into a plate with sour cucumbers, it still becomes sour, so the question is what fills, what fills this plate, and well, for now, i wished that there were more cucumbers, fresh, of course, officials, but... . the story to which we are now moving, it is also important, and here it is important to understand the perspectives, and how there are so many similar phenomena, it is about the ex-deputy prosecutor general dmytro verbytskyi, who appeared in journalistic investigations, he resigned, it was

news there yesterday, yesterday it was known that he left from his position at his own will, but he could not explain certain property, which... was worth quite a lot of money, also his, his girlfriend could not explain the appearance of property worth 52 million hryvnias, it is discussed in different ways, but prosecutor general mr. kostin they invited him to the verkhovna rada of ukraine to explain what was happening, how it happened, he was not able to come to the parliament session then, in any case, but now it will end with the fact that it does not end, but it is for now, that the deputy prosecutor general was fired for of my own free will, and here... mr. oleksiy, i want to ask you what to do next, and again, if we talk about the prosecutor general's office, and the importance of work in wartime, very great importance in fact, huge, it is to record the crimes of the enemy , investigate, work on it, well, a lot of work and

ongoing work, we understand, but if there are people here who cannot explain huge fortunes, how to deal with it, and the eyes of voluntary dismissal is the maximum you can count on ? well, i think it would be good to see the statement of the prosecutor general's own request, because it is about his deputy, not about an ordinary employee of the prosecutor's office, not about a middle-ranking employee, but about the deputy prosecutor general. at this very time , the prosecutor general is taking such a step of public disrespect to the parliament, when he does not even come to the meeting, does not report, and there can be no explanation that there should be a period of investigation, not an investigation. reporting in this matter in any case, but you know, the issue of fighting corruption, i i would also like to note such a very interesting and important feature that in our country, as a rule, the fight against corruption boils down to, you know, a magic button, we will press it, we will solve these issues, and we always had high

expectations there, we will create an anti-corruption the court and everything will work, there will be a system of anti-corruption bodies, everything will work, no, dear, single steps will not work, no. will never work, in the same way that the mechanisms will not work, let's say three friends will be imprisoned, but now, god willing , tyshchenko will be imprisoned there, and someone else will be imprisoned there, this is also does not resolve the issue. neither a big fish nor three friends, fishing must be permanent, must be daily, and here it is important that the fight against corruption must be reduced to boring, media uninteresting work on the part of the ukrainian parliament, the ukrainian government, a system must be built, then we let's see the result, and what mrs. iryna said is very important at the local level, and to be honest, it is not incomprehensible to me why now... individual communities are allocating huge funds there for capital repairs, for

facades, for sidewalks , on the asphalt, and the government does not able to even solve these issues, moreover, dear cabinet, you have a mechanism, you have a state treasury, you can stop all these ridiculous things during the war, but i understand that these are all large-scale repair works during the war, they are also big a field for corruption, but i can't dream... today the highway from kyiv to buchi is very high-quality asphalt, major repairs, they are moving and building a perfect asphalt road, people, well, you understand, we are talking about huge funds that should go to budget, you know, there is no limit perfection, people probably think so simply, that's why they decided that there is more to be done, i 'm just me, but please steal a centimeter of asphalt, it's already a number with many zeros, you know, but today the information appeared. about the fact that the government allocates more than 3 million hryvnias for the construction of roads or the restoration of roads in the front-line

territories, that is donetsk region, kharkiv region, and most importantly, i understand that it is necessary here, because after talking to many people who are at the front or near front, you understand that potholes on the roads, broken roads are time, and time is this very often life, that's why there, but even there it is necessary to track so that out of these three billion, well , at least a percentage, we would like to have 100%, but we all understand where we live. and who don't, we live in a beautiful country, what kind of people are around us, but here you can still understand 3 billion for front-line roads, because there it is logistics, equipment, people, evacuations, well, it is necessary there, just control, but with mr. verbytskyi, you are right in saying that the people who were appointed to positions should be held accountable, but in our country, you know there was a story when there were traitors from the sbu, including the former head, who was at the beginning of a full-scale invasion. well, but then there were no questions for the manager himself, he is actually now engaged in legal activities, i mean

lieutenant bakanov, so, ms. irena, in your opinion, if we talk about verbytskyi, here is a completely different story than with tyschenko, because it large sums of money that cannot be explained by the large sums of property of a person who was the deputy attorney general, and indeed one can have suspicions that this money acquired not very honestly, but... perhaps you can even say even more harshly about this, but it is better not to say, this is dismissal by common, by own will, it is like that, maybe internally, well, inside this circle of people, it is like that the punishment is harsh and like, and what else do you want? well, it is important here that it should be so, he wrote a statement, if he wrote it, let it be of his own free will, so that after a month... two, it was not forgotten, because when a person remains in office after such a scandal,

journalists will beat and monitor , that is for example, it remains to be seen where he will leave, remember the passion of tabachnyk, who was in the ministry of infrastructure, headed the legal department, and we knew that in 3-4 months she would leave and head the customs department, that is, we have personnel decisions , when later... after two or three months, when the scandal blows, the person will be transferred somewhere, but this must be followed 100%, because it is already a well-established scheme, well, which we really see more than once, but we must not forget and monitor in order to it was not covered up, and the second is what mr koshel has already focused attention, but i want to raise this issue a little more widely, when the parliament invites anyone to it, then it is the parliament-representative body, it represents the people. of ukraine, and there are quite frequent cases when

neither representatives of the government come to the session hall, nor there, for example, the prosecutor general, well, this is not a case, because it undermines the subjectivity of the parliament and parliamentarism, it means that you were not invited somewhere for a guest a private party, this is the legislative body of the country, which is also responsible for personnel appointments, asks to come and say something, and you can’t say that you don’t have time, you have to come and... answer, you know, such profanity can look, well, look like profanity, such tracing of soviet times, like in that so-called soviet comedy, i i'll say in ukrainian words, give such and such an employee a notice, he says: i already have a notice, i don't have a notice with a warning, he says, he doesn't have a notice with a warning, it's the same here, but what to do? oh, let's put it on the visible, but you don't just understand, the person who is sitting next to the screen right now, eh, well, a young person, let's say someone with ambitions, or this person does not want to work a lot, but wants to settle down somewhere and live well, drive a porsche cayenne,

hang out there and take photos in the maldives during the war, for example, there is such a one a person, and she watched our program and thinks, "look, somehow you can get settled like this, you have assets worth millions, tens of millions, and then you write at your own will with all this money, you simply disappear, dissolve in the fog of the maldivian islands, relatively speaking , says a beautiful story, i also want to live like that, v me, well, we literally have a couple of minutes, but i am mr. oleksiy, how to convince this person that this is not possible, because again, well, it looks very light-hearted, just like this story with 17 eggs, and there are certain cases, but the people who were at the top of these, well , the structures that procured these eggs, well, they still feel good, everything is okay with them, it is a long-term process, the fight against corruption cannot immediately give a tangible result, well , actually we have gone a certain way, i believe that this is the logic of the actions of the previous powerful teams, of this powerful team, but for a long time, this logic was correct, that is, higher

salaries, incentives, supervisory boards, and control, well, a lot depends on the media. we are currently discussing this topic with you, drawing attention, it is also a mechanism of influence on the authorities, a lot depends on it, but i am sure that in a short time we can show a result that is vitally important to us now, that is, this question, well, i don't want to say out loud survival, but this is an extremely important issue, during the war we we can find extremely serious internal resources, but a situation arises when our western partners actually ask us and convince us that, dear ones, you should implement an action plan, here is a road map, steps, sequence of steps, you will get a result at the exit. well, it is quite obvious that some of the people in power have mastered the currents very well and feel quite comfortable. mrs. irina, in conclusion , i will give you the floor to sum up our conversation and give

you something more today, of course on the examples of certain such demonstrative, but more like this... philosophical conversation, which is also necessary, in fact, because it is important to discuss these issues and understand our perspectives, what perspectives do we have in this, please, because i think that the war activated all citizens, this is 100%, and we must use this activation in order to maximally involve not only western partners, because we are already a public sector, we are used to it, something happened, we will tell our western partners about it, let them write, tweet or something there they will tell our people at the meetings, let them argue, we need to talk to our parliament, not to forget that there are not only international partners, but also our parliament, to turn to the government, let them feel that we, the citizens, are asking them, and to ask citizens to join, because when citizens are active, well, even look at the petition regarding the restoration of declaration,

they didn't really want to restore it, but in a few hours they set a record and opened everything, so... when we involve citizens, then we can also fix the tools , and we can do everything to do, and while citizens are active, they must be joined very, very quickly in the anti-corruption fight. thank you very much, iryna fedoriv, ​​journalist, head of public initiative golka, oleksiy koshel, doctor of historical sciences, head of the committee of voters of ukraine was with us. thank you for spending this time with us. i'll literally take 30 seconds to tell a short story and then we'll talk about electricity. the guest is already ready, but my grandfather is in favor. he was the head of a collective farm back in soviet times, and he did not take bribes there, he lived like that his salary, he was always asked by his colleagues when they came to some congress somewhere in the district or in the region, they say, well, why don't you take it, well, how is it possible, he says, you understand, i say that i sleep peacefully , and in principle he lived a good honest life and the collective farmer was quite successful in his work, well, but this is

always a question of people, you know, someone does not sleep peacefully, but on money, but sooner or later everything always comes to an end, it also happens to society, and sometimes just come to steal, and then to write a statement of my own free will and disappear somewhere, dissolve in the morning fog, well , it shouldn’t be like that somewhere, but then again, this is evolution, i look at life completely consciously and understand that but to create conditions when, relatively speaking, these viruses will not be able to to survive, how can they not survive in boiling water, well, such conditions must be created, so while our water does not always boil to 100°, especially those who have electric stoves. in particular, in mine, it boils for hours, and therefore i try to have time to prepare something to eat at this time. we will start talking about electricity, the prospects of a blackout, well, the reality of a blackout, the prospects of a blackout. and what and why all this is happening, where are the betrayals, where is the truth, where are the objective, objective things, oleksandr kharchenko, the director of the energy research center is with us, mr.

oleksandr, i greet you, good evening, i will ask you this for the first time a general question, because i very often talk to friends there on facebook, with colleagues from different cities of ukraine, some of them say, but in us, well, i don’t mean the cities near the front there, but the cities that are somewhere away from the front and live life. close to normal, although there is almost no normal life in ukraine, they say, in our country they disconnect for 10 hours, in our case for five, in our country for even less, and somehow, today there is such a phenomenon in ukraine as uneven disconnection light in different regions, and what does it depend on, because people, when they feel this injustice, they think, no, well, it shouldn't be like that, please, of course, more often and for longer they turn off those regions that directly to the front lines. lines, this is the first, there is much more complicated the situation, in principle, and let's not consider them, there due to constant attacks on both high-voltage and distribution networks,

the situation is very difficult, as for everything else, in fact, after june 24, when the order of how the electricity limit is formed was changed for the regions, the situation is leveling off. and if before, well, it was quite difficult in kyiv, now it is more or less an average situation, and in principle, most of the regions are the same, in the same situation, in the same position, but it must be understood that it is still stored in each the region has a certain amount, including residential buildings and various and... other objects that are connected to critical infrastructure, work on their disconnection continues, but there are a lot of nuances, starting from technical difficulties and

ending with, well, what is there to hide the human factor, it also has its place, and in some places there are already such cases when residents of certain houses or representatives of certain businesses try to negotiate with district... electric networks so that they are lost there when compiling a list for disconnection, and such the cases have also been tracked and controlled, here it is true, the residents of the surrounding buildings have a full opportunity to monitor that if someone is not disconnected at all, then there is always the possibility of providing relevant information to the regional distribution company, but in general the situation is evening out once again. and it's getting a little fairer than it was, even there in late may early june. yes, now i

will ask questions that surely worry all ukrainians. well, first of all, losses in ukrainian energy, how many generations do we have lost, are the numbers that were announced, are they adequate and how serious a blow is this, well, you know, now the european football championship is going on, for example, then i will say this, it's like losing 5:0 at the end of the match, or that's all well we have a better chance of being able to recover it and it's not so much a critical story as of now, it's a critical story, let's be honest with people, we went through the winter of 23-24 with a peak consumption of 18 gw , 18 with a small gigawatt tail, it was the highest consumption of tiia. winter and after that to us destroyed nine, accordingly, it is serious,

even if it is not winter there, in september, october, for example, there will be a situation without restrictions, almost without restrictions, when the nuclear reactor units come out of repair, when it gets a little cooler and... but the load on the networks will decrease, i expect that in september, there will be no or almost no yellow outages , there will be some at all, sometimes even minimal, but it must be understood that the winter will be extremely difficult, and even if there are restored capacity as far as possible, and there, according to my data, we are talking about the fact that somewhere around 2-2.5 gigabytes will be restored as a maximum, and immediately the question will arise, how to protect them from new shocks, and this question is already there, because we will start the generation after restoring it , and it will fly to her again, this is a bad scenario, we

did not restore her... the second time before the winter, so there are many difficult questions, many difficult decisions, and a difficult situation in general, so i would recommend preparing for what in the winter will be about as it is now, and if it is better, i will be the first to be happy about it. here you know, another question, let's say, last winter, the winter before last, i worked, well, together with the zpress tv channels with a part of the tv channel in lviv, and i had such conditions that i had... if the electricity was turned off in the old building, there is still a polish one there or austrian, well, in a word, there was no electricity, because there was a cauldron like that and there was no heat, then i went to the points of invincibility, because it happened that there was no electricity for a day, you just sit there without a phone and nothing, but you're just really, well, so cold that you have to go somewhere, c in kyiv, let's say there is centralized heating in many other cities, i understand that

heating is not about electricity now, but it is... important, because when we talk about winter, there is no light and you can somehow sit there, without heating, if it is not centralized it will be more difficult, here the question is whether there are threats as of now, i am not talking about how it will be tomorrow, we do not know whether there are problems with electricity, whether there may also be problems in winter and with the supply of heat to the community, if you have such information that there is an understanding that what happens there, well, first of all, we have to understand that heating completely... depends on electricity, because the operation of boilers that burn gas depends on electricity, that the operation of pumps that pump hot water in systems depends on electricity, and it depends on on two levels: the first level is low, and here, well, i must say that i see the enormous work of many municipalities, which is aimed at ensuring that the heat works, even under the worst conditions, even under...

the absence of a general national energy supply or under conditions of some kind regional blackout, well, because they can knock out all the substations around the city, they can, it can happen, for example, it is possible to take a millionaire around the city and attack all the high-voltage substations, so i see preparations in many cities for the fact that even if ... such a situation will happen, the city's heating system and water supply, sewage system will still work, they will be equipped with autonomous power supply, they will be equipped with generators, somewhere they will install more powerful already normal gas piston engines as system solutions, this work is carried out in many cities, there i can definitely say about kyiv, i can definitely say about odesa, i can definitely say about mykolaiv, i see such work in kharkiv, that is, in

many... but excuse me is it at the level of local local government or is it a department , is it the city hall, is the city hall, is it the local government, is it municipal companies, it really is such a job , but here the question is whether it is, well, as i understand it, in principle, the city government of any city , small towns, there are villages, well now villages, as there are urban-type villages, she canceled, they are not there, there are towns, everyone is interested, the question is whether everyone has the opportunity, and this... beat, that's why the cities you named, i understand that now there is an opportunity, the main desire is to realize it , i don't know, now they'll tell me how much time we have left, so i'll have 5 minutes, yes, but a few such questions that are very important for people, first, your advice on how to prepare, so we're talking now about apartment buildings, well where big cities are basically that can just be transformed like in that movie the day after tomorrow, where everything is frozen, how can people prepare for, please. two elements

of training in an apartment building. the first element is to make sure that the pumps in your house are at least equipped with backup power, because otherwise the heating and water will pass by your house and not go inside when there is an outage. this means generators, there are many options, there may be a generator, there may be sufficiently powerful batteries installed, there are. options, i would honestly put the generators on such needs, but here then the inhabitants have to decide how they save on fuel, because it is a component, or install gas generators, but then they must be connected according to the gas network, not all houses now have gas networks, many houses have another an element of the infrastructure that must be...