donald trump is negotiating with vladimir putin about which part of ukraine will go to russia, writes politico. the kremlin denies conducting such negotiations, kyiv has declared its readiness to listen to trump. all the details are further in svoboda live, my name is vlasta lazor. so, the american edition. the politician, citing two national security experts associated with trump , wrote that the us presidential candidate is negotiating with vladimir putin about what part of the occupied ukrainian territory can keep moscow for itself. the politician does not provide details about the format in which these negotiations are being held and at what stage they are, as well as which specific territories are being discussed. at the same time, according to the publication's sources, trump is considering the possibility of concluding an agreement with putin, according to which on... nato

will refuse further expansion to the east, in particular to ukraine and georgia. let me remind you, this is exactly what the head of the kremlin demanded from the alliance shortly before the invasion of ukraine. donald trump himself, let me remind you, is not public disclosed his plans for ukraine, he only promised to end the war even before taking office, however, he did not explain how exactly he would do it. the politician calls the end of the war in ukraine part of trump's larger plan for nato. the publication's interlocutors claim that... under the presidency of donald trump, the us is unlikely to completely withdraw from nato, but trump's plans include a transition to the so-called two-tier system. it, in turn , means that the countries of the alliance, which do not spend 2% of gdp on defense, will not use generosity and security guarantees from the us. the publication notes that this, among other things, can be seen as a violation of the fifth article of the north atlantic treaty, which guarantees collective defense in the event of an attack. on one of

the members of the alliance. trump has repeatedly expressed exasperation that nato allies are robbing us short of the two percent spending target. more recently , trump actually called on russia to attack nato defaulters, saying he would encourage the russians to do whatever they wanted with member countries that have not yet met the defense spending target. 10 years after the allies decided to do so at the elsa summit in 2014. a quick resolution to the two-and-a-half-year-old conflict in ukraine is also likely to play a key role in trump's plans for nato. as part of the previously undisclosed plan for ukraine, two other national security experts close to trump said the presumptive republican nominee is considering a deal in which nato undertakes not to expand eastward, in particular into ukraine and georgia and... negotiations with

russian president vladimir putin about how much ukrainian territory moscow can keep. kremlin spokesman dmytro piskov said that the information about negotiations regarding ukrainian territories between trump and putin is not true. well , in an interview with bloomberg, volodymyr zelenskyi literally said today that he is potentially ready to meet with trump to listen to the proposals of his team. they cannot plan my life and the lives of our people and... children, we want to understand whether we will have strong support from the us in november or whether we will be left alone. if trump knows how to end this war, he should tell us about it today, if there are risks for ukrainian independence, if we lose statehood, we want to be ready for that, we want to know. let me remind you that in april, the political publication wrote about the fact that western countries are discussing the possibility of transferring the contact group on the defense of ukraine, which coordinates military aid, to the control of nato, which...

would maintain the supply of weapons in the event of the election of the us president trump. just the day before, the wall street journal reported that against the backdrop of the triumph of far-right parties in europe and the possible victory of trump, nato plans to send a high-ranking official to ukraine who will be responsible for long-term assistance to ukraine. but let's return to the alleged negotiations between trump and putin regarding the ukrainian territories. oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy, servant of the people joins our broadcast. and the chairman of the committee issues of foreign policy of interparliamentary cooperation. congratulations. good evening. oleksandr, do you believe that trump has really already started, or his people have started , to negotiate with the kremlin about which and when ukrainian territories can be ceded to moscow. well, theoretically everything is possible, you can't complain here in politics, but i don't really believe in it, for one simple reason: now trump is only dealing with solving one fundamentally important thing. on which his fate depends, and by

the way, freedom as well, that is, it is about to become the president of the united states, all other issues, it seems to me, he simply does not consider. will solve them only when he already becomes, as he hopes, the president, and now he is completely absorbed in his time with only one goal, so we can talk about something concrete only later, if, if on condition, if he becomes president, and maybe he, his team, his national security advisers are leading it, he is not personally, of course, he is meeting with putin, i think it’s just that now there is no one sense and... this is very risky, because it can be used by his competitors in the election campaign, that is , there is simply no political sense or profit here. today, against the background of this news, volodymyr zelenskyi said that he is ready to meet with trump and listen to his proposals. tell me,

please, how ready do you think trump is to meet at all with someone from the ukrainian authorities until the elections are held? well, meeting in... it is worth it with all the candidates, serious candidates for the presidency - this is rational diplomacy, and at least it's worth offering, but i doubt that trump will agree to any meeting now, again, for him the main issue now is to win the election and everything is subordinated, all his time, subordinated to the solution of this one task, and still, why do you think , why does trump defiantly avoid? meetings, even conversations about a meeting with representatives of the ukrainian authorities, ukrainian, representatives of the ukrainian authorities and yermak and zelenskyi, well, repeatedly publicly invited him to ukraine, or hinted at a possible meeting there, well, i don't think that he is demonstratively avoiding such a meeting, it's hard for me

to say, you have to ask trump himself, but well, i think that maybe he is also waiting for the presidential election to take place. already after, because now, for example, to meet when he has not become the president, what is the point, it is not yet known who will become the president, now is a very acute phase of the struggle, and by the way, any meetings can also be used by a competitor in this struggle , so it is still unknown who will be the president, but let's purely hypothetically imagine what donald trump becomes president, and indeed one of his first steps will be related to it. war from ukraine to russia against ukraine, and he offers ukraine to give up some of its territories. does ukraine have a choice to say no? well, the fact is that we have a very clear peace formula of president zelensky, and there is

ultimately international law, that is, this issue must be resolved from the point of view of the united nations charter and the principles of international law, but before trump. then, well, first of all, then this is a question, this is a problem, which is now the problem of his competitor, that is , president biden, will automatically become a problem, an issue that will have to be solved already if he is elected, of course, president trump, and the fact that now, for example, trump is completely critical of any steps taken by the president biden, that doesn't mean he's not going to continue biden's policy on this issue, and then before trump... logically there are three possible alternatives, three three scenarios: the first scenario, and each of those scenarios, by the way, touches answer key to key issue: territorial integrity of ukraine. the first scenario is when it will be necessary to restore the territorial integrity of ukraine and

for this to provide all the necessary military and technical assistance to ukraine, and the second scenario is to abandon this and follow the path of concessions, that concession at the expense of the victim of aggression, and then it is about rewarding the aggressor , we already had munich in history in 38, and we know that one view of history is because it leads to new aggression, that is, it is not an option, and the third option is to freeze the conflict, when it the issue of territorial integrity is postponed for an indefinite period, it is also not a solution to the issue, because it is only. gives a problem and gives an opportunity for the aggressor to accumulate strength and move again with a new wave of aggression, that is , there will be only three options before trump, we are not currently considering good options, if they happen, it will of course be very good, but we are now trying to consider the worst

options for ukraine, to what extent the vote of the us president can be decisive here, if a new us president really comes, and he says you can. there or just stop shooting, yes plus or minus, as orbán said there yesterday, but it's orbán, it's another matter if the president of the usa says it, or there, we now have a goal, my goal, my goal, to stop the war, and.. .for me to fulfill this promise, you have to give up some territories there, does ukraine have a plan b to say no to trump? well, this is the plan, in fact, we have the only plan, and it consists simply in fulfilling the requirements of international law and everything, but you know, well, the main thing here is that, the main thing here is not the idea, the personal idea of ​​trump, international law does not provide for the automatic acquisition of weapons from the west, it provides, it is before... the need to provide assistance to the victim of aggression and to punish the aggressor, because without this

the world simply cannot exist, this will be the end of human civilization, and with regard to trump, the reality is just a very strict, objective, political, foreign policy on reality, he will have to act not based on his idea, subjective idea of ​​this reality, but based on the requirements of reality itself, and this reality forces him to help the victim of aggression from... territorial integrity and punish the aggressor. trump doesn't talk about it, he doesn't talk about it at all, what you just said. he just promises to end the war, but he doesn't say exactly how. to what extent is the ukrainian government afraid of trump's unpredictability? well, the point is that we can tentatively talk about trump's unpredictability here, because we have experience. we know that trump, for example, well, he was the president, that is, and he essentially supported in a certain sense. yes, yes,

that's definitely one of those factors, you do you think it depended on trump, well, it also depends on the president, because the president is mainly responsible for foreign policy, and that means we have some experience, although it is clear that we have something? with the connection, is oleksa with us, is oleksandr mereshko with us, this is how the connection is made , oleksandr, can you hear me, see me, yes, i hear, sorry, there is no light, there is no light in the apartment, it seems , no, oleksandr, we, we are forced to let you go, because there is no light, oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy, servant of the people and head of the committee with issues of foreign policy, inter-parliament... who cooperates, i asked him whether the ukrainian authorities are afraid of the unpredictability of donald trump,

i hope that we will hear this answer by the end next time, ostap yarysh, voice of america correspondent, joins our broadcast, ostap, my congratulations, i congratulate you, are they talking about this publication in politics in the united states, about the fact that trump's team is already negotiating with putin to give ukrainian territories to moscow. well, now we really heard statements from we also know donald trump from him. that trump's official position is only what trump himself has been voicing publicly, and we've heard so these proposals, or these thoughts throughout the much-discussed debate, thursday's debate, detailed proposals, proposals, or a detailed plan, we haven't heard publicly yet . donald trump says that he is going to end the russian war against ukraine, even before entering the white house, it is about this period, so between the vote and the inauguration. the president, however, to some questions of journalists, voice america, including trump's team,

trump's headquarters has not yet presented any real or at least concrete proposals. we have heard these plans from the president's former advisers, who they presented to him, and according to them, they say that trump has kind of reacted favorably, or at least taken into account these proposals, so it is about tying military support for ukraine to conditions peaceful negotiations, on the other hand, to encourage russia to these negotiations and to say that if the kremlin does not agree to these negotiations, then ukraine will support much more, but again, these are so far proposals that are coming from former bras, there are different developments or ideas that are coming from people who surround trump, from him in particular, or something specific in essence have not heard so far, except for this... tsanka that he will end the war very soon, and except for the assurance that if he were president,

putin would not have invaded ukraine in 2022, the united states believes this, and - different, i.e. those people who surround trump or who are absolutely in favor of trump believe and talk about the fact that joe biden's weakness may have provoked putin, or that the failed withdrawal of troops from afghanistan served as a provocation, as they say, that is, a part of the people is absolutely it. the other part, those who are loyal to the democratic party, or people from biden's entourage emphasize that this is no nonsense, that putin attacked in... on ukraine not in 2022, in 2014, and vice versa, trump's statements about the fact that he may leave nato, that he may leave the allies, on the contrary, this may serve as an invitation to putin to go further to europe, and show aggression towards poland or the baltic countries, therefore, in different ways, that is , it seems to me that it depends, you know, on the political

preferences and on the political agenda of those people who, yes, look, but these narratives about what trump is planning ... to change nato, its structure, funding, and so on, it appeared again in the information space, politicians also write about it, does american society, and political elites, and just society support these plans of trump to change the system in nato? society is difficult speaking, it seems to me that foreign policy in general is a bit of a non-priority issue for many americans, and all the polls show that they are worried about... the economy at all, or the border of the united states, the problems with migration. it is difficult to say about society's attitude to nato reform, i think it is worth looking at what expert circles say, what analysts say, or people who surround trump and biden. i know for sure that there are concerns, there are such alarmed comments, in particular from former officials or

from people who are now experts in american think tanks, they say, on the one hand. this is not something new, because we have heard these calls and dissatisfaction from the trump administration before, saying that nato countries should spend significantly more on their defense, and this was the consistent policy of the former president, on the other hand, there is even concern, as it will look like if the newest members win, it also spends quite a lot, more than 2% of the minimum and its gdp on defense, and is it somehow related to trump's rhetoric, i don't know, but... from the publication in the press, we heard these worried comments in europe, we heard worried comments also from kiel here analytical in washington, but worried rather not about this rhetoric, about what will happen, yes, if trump will come to power in november, what will his policies look like, so far we know that trump has not presented his team of national advisers, if he

becomes president, and we do not know what kind of people will surround him, moreover, we do not know who will be trump's choice. on post vice president or vice president, many say a lot will depend on that as well, and it will be worth watching at the republican convention in a few weeks if trump announces a nominee who is more isolationist, who supports the policy voiced by the president himself, and obviously the appropriate conclusions should also be made if it is someone who, say, publicly advocated for greater support for ukraine before, or had some other views? it may also be a signal about the future of trump's foreign policy, so i think we will hear a lot at the convention as well, we know that the parties also adopt their programs, and i think when we see trump's actual program and the republican program for the 24th election, more specifically by points, then there will be more specifics, so now it is a discussion in the press, statements of former advisers, conversations between us and

you, yes, analytics at this level, we are waiting for more statements and... directly from the very beginning, i will only add that from what the publication wrote politician that trump allegedly if he or his team is really conducting any negotiations with the kremlin, then they even write about what and what is likely in trump's plans , so that nato is limited there to the conditions of not expanding east, and this includes ukraine and georgia, everything was heard from trump, that is, this rhetoric comes from the people who surround him, it is also important to note here that the reason for this war is, they say, nato's desire to expand, and what if nato or the united states told ukraine that ukraine would never become a member of the alliance, then putin would say did not attack ukraine, such thoughts are present in circles that take exactly such a position. if i may be very brief, ostap, has joe biden

thought of looking for a replacement and taking a break in his political career? in short, such calls are now loud in the press , we have seen editorial columns, in particular from the new york times, some even representatives of the democratic party are talking about it publicly, joe biden himself, his staff, his staff say that no, the president will continue to participate in the race, influential democrats say no, too are going to change candidates, at least that's the public statements we're hearing now, zis democrats august 19:22, by then, and maybe something will change, but for now , the public statements, clear, firm, that joe biden will continue this campaign, we'll see , will there be any changes. thank you very much, ostap yarysh, voice of america correspondent, we talked about the prospects of a possible, probable donald's presidency. trump and his views on the end of the war in ukraine, daria kalyniuk, executive, joins our broadcast director of the anti-corruption center, darya, i congratulate you, good afternoon, you travel a lot

around the world, in particular to the united states, you know exactly the mood of both democrats and republicans, and republicans, what do you think of these publications in the american press that biden is donald trump is allegedly negotiating with the kremlin to give some part of ukrainian territories to moscow, or does it sound like it, or does it look like that? is this a realistic prospect? well , everything is realistic under trump, both a very negative scenario for ukraine and a very positive one for ukraine. and let's break down both the positive and the negative in order to understand where, where, where, where are the two sides of this coin? well, trump likes winners. and he may want to support ukraine in the war. to victory, to show that he is different from biden, that he is not afraid of various nuclear blackmails from the russian federation, that he

can take down the russian federation, and china, north korea, and iran, just by helping ukraine win, he has all powers, and america has these and those weapons, and other options, unarmed, how to make it so that ukraine won. here, on the other hand. then he may want to resolve the issue quickly, reconcile with putin, freeze the conflict, but the question is, does he really want this, and will he succeed in it, and will he want to continue biden’s policy, so trump is absolutely not a predictable president, i absolutely agree with...the previous speaker, a lot will depend on his team and who will be the vice president, i understand who

the previous speaker was talking about, most likely yes, so there is a very popular politician nikki haley who ran for the republican presidential nomination, she withdrew her candidacy, and she has a very large percentage of support. trump, in order to defeat biden, one of the options may consider the inclusion of nikiheli in his team, there are even talks about the possibility and inclusion at the level of the vice president, and her statements regarding ukraine were very straightforward and very positive for us, that is, she supports victory, supports more military aid for ukraine, supports the right strategy victories of ukraine. that's why everything can be with biden, in principle it is clear to expect that and there are red lines that

biden and his team have set for themselves, they are moving away from these red lines, but slowly, yes, the so-called incremental approach, that is , the weapons are gradually being strained, so that, god forbid, ukraine does not attack russia is very far away. and did not win very quickly, here, but they also provide us with help so that we do not collapse completely and we do not die completely, but we can continue with a more pessimistic scenario, if optimistic scenario and donald trump chooses a vice-presidential candidate, a person who supports ukraine, this is of course good for ukraine. if donald trump really comes to power, he has the task of ending the war. and he sets the conditions for ukraine to freeze there, to give up some part of the territories. are there options in ukraine to say no? no, well, we can say no, but there is no

one to replace america now. america, after all, provided half of the military support of all foreign military support during the two full-scale years of the invasion, because america the largest arms manufacturer. europe is now increasing the production of weapons, but it will take several years for them, they are also increasing the defense budget, but it will also take some time, and by the way, in general, trump's fear for the countries of the european union and nato countries in europe, in particular there are such countries like norway, britain, which are not members of the eu, but are members of nato, they now understand that they cannot afford it. security in america, that is, they should spend more on defense, and this was the main rhetoric of trump during his

past. cadence, how long it will take, europe roll out, a big question, on the other hand, we still have an open issue of the confiscation of 300 billion russian assets, they have not been confiscated yet, it was accepted, but it is mostly money in europe, not in america, right, yes, yes, it is a big , most of this money is in europe, in euroclear, it is somewhere around 180 billion euros, and europe still hesitates to confiscate. money, there are various fears there, why they should not do it, but the option of ukraine losing does not suit europe either, so they are here if america abandons us because of trump, relatively speaking, europe will have to look for other ways, other ways of financing, yes, yes, yes, here, but, again, what is being said now during the election campaign, these are political...

statements , which are not a fact that will be implemented and implemented after the election results, this should be clearly understood and not waver very radically in the negative or very radically in the positive, it is very important for ukraine now to refrain from supporting any of the candidates and to preserve this bipartisan support in america, so that the republicans and democrats, regardless of who will be the next president, supported ukraine, because, after all, most americans, according to sociology, support ukraine, and moreover, the support of ukraine by american politicians plays along with them, that is, there are electoral bonuses from supporting ukraine, they small, but they are there, and we need to build on this the further strategy of our cooperation with the united states of america. and

when volodymyr zelensky occasionally invites trump to ukraine, asks him to meet with him, to show his plan the end, the end of the war, is this the right strategy, or is it better not to pay attention to it, as oleksandr mereshko was on the air in front of you, he says: there is no need to do anything now, let's wait for the results of the elections and then we will work, publicly, i am not sure that zelenskyi’s statements to trump can do anything. moreover, some statements, for example, that if trump will negotiate with putin, then he is a loser, well, such rhetoric cannot be afforded, in the context of the us president , any, candidate for the presidency of the united states, anyone, but especially trump. here, some kind of non-public communication with different, with both headquarters and with democrats, republicans, obviously should be conducted, it should be conducted, e.

professional people, and who are part of the official state and the unofficial state, that is, we need to explain our strategy for victory, that is, just andriy borysovych is now in washington, perhaps he is explaining, he is in washington meeting with the current administration, so i am talking about the fact that during the elections, well, we need to communicate with both parties and... and on us at a certain moment, the republicans began to take offense and we received such messages that sometimes the communication of the president's office is perceived by the republicans as saying that the op only supports democracy, so we have to tread very carefully here so as not to be drawn into these elections and not appear that we support one of the candidates.