there are people who are sitting in bunkers, well, they are actually there in certain countries and believe that there will be an invasion of aliens, there are different people, again, but millions of ukrainians have their data in action, plus there are data of military personnel, which is the most important , officers, rank-and-file, and this, and this is a problem, here is a question, a question of security in the future, i don't know how this story ends, we may come back to it later in the report. about conversations, whether there really was such a downpour or not, but the perspective of protection, we need it ourselves to develop some new protection systems, to constantly update them, and how to act, or to involve our partners, because i'm sorry, it's just a little long question, but i want to remind you that when there was a hack, you remember the mobile network, it was about mine about kyivstar, if only in the third year, and then specialists from foreign companies very actively joined in, who very quickly... tried

to put it in order, but it was real help from serious specialists from international companies that were engaged in telecommunications, here is how to act now, constant updates, constant upgrades, inventing something new and how intense this war is in cyberspace, it is intense, because we do not see it, but we understand that it is ongoing, we can feel it, you cannot even imagine how intense it is, that is , 24x7, ukraine is currently a training ground, it is currently happening... the first world cyber ​​war, and unfortunately, ukraine is exactly the site where all the cyber armies of the world, all the experts who want to test, test their strength, will test their strength, and ukraine, if it needs help, then we we have the right ask our western partners for help in terms of action, action is essentially a portal that has access. to other databases,

i.e. such a transit, relatively speaking, server that pulls up certain data from different databases, so i want to remind you that in ukraine for the last 20 years there was a fairly popular phenomenon when you could inexpensively purchase any database , there is social engineering, there is human greed and not necessarily some specific bases from some ministry or some department or some company. just someone could bear it them on a conditional flash drive, download somewhere or sell them, and first, first of all, the task of various types of cyber specialists who have gone to the dark side is to study, engage in social engineering, and only then it is possible to break whether the action was hacked or was it leaked, you and i will find out after these meetings. all talk, but

considering the fact that the cyber war is going on, going on 24x7, with varying degrees of success, i can say that you always need to update, you always need to be several steps ahead, because in this very high-tech industry the enemy always uses different implementations of different types. kind of know-how, and some of them, unfortunately, relatively speaking, are unknown to the general public of specialists, they need to be studied, well, that’s about it for this story, i just maybe some viewers, i started, as they say, from scratch er, and maybe some viewers don't know what we're talking about, but it became known that a 22-year-old russian, a native of the chechen republic, amin stigall, may have been involved in the attack on ukrainian government websites last night. there from january 13 to 14

22nd year, well, including that, we were talking about various data, so the data of 13.5 million ukrainians after the probable hacking of the action portal were allegedly placed for sale on the internet, and that is why the people's deputies decided to invite the minister of the ministry of statistics, yes mr. fedorov for a conversation to clarify this story, and you know, when i read this story about this 22-year-old in... the chechen republic, i thought to myself, well, there really are such geniuses, digital hackers, but isn't this conditional a person, that's what i meant, but just a screen behind which completely others can stand people, can there really be such a specialist who once broke all the sites, took 13 million data on 13 million citizens and... is on

the internet, well, as you can see, there is anonymity on the internet, the internet does not exist, if you count someone like you you say, a genius from russia who broke something. that is, there is information that both ukrainian cyber security specialists, and specialists of our partners and representatives of companies engaged in cyber security, long ago counted russian hackers in uniform, about some of them everything is known, where they live, where they eat, where they sleep, where spend the night, with whom they spend the night, in which e-e departments they receive their salary. everything can be calculated, i don’t think it’s a screen, because specialists, as they say, have long calculated and know their opponents, each of these groups, which belong either to russian intelligence or to

the fsb, has its own handwriting, has its own characteristics depending on the break that occurred or what the test was. to do, specialists are studying exactly which tools were used to do this and already know exactly who from the dark side tried to get to this or that server, to one or another database, i want to remind you that the cyber war is going on 24/7 and , of course, that we are on the side of good, but behind the russian state hackers is ... precisely the power of russia, the power in the plan that russia spends money without limit for this war, which encourages many hackers to work for the state, maybe someone found

green tea there wrapped in the newspaper selskaya zhizn and now he is forced to use his knowledge against humanity, because the evil empire ordered it. hung on a hook and uses he, do you remember, there was a story when, at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, the hacker group anonymous actually declared a hacker war against the russian federation, i don't know now about the course of these battles, but it was obviously certain, there was some success, and again anyway, i will not ask whether now anonymous there are working in the interests of ukraine or not, they are working, thank god, they are not working. and special services, we all know that if the information, relatively speaking, is obtained there in a not very legal way, it cannot be to use, and if it was obtained somewhere by someone, anonymous or under some other name,

uploaded somewhere, you can download it to look, then you can use it later in the chain and say, we took it there, because of that. in most cases , this is a screen for the special services of different countries and the opportunity for various hacker groups to simply do some white or dark things under the cover of anonymity, well, there are also huckwiser xbox underground groups, there are various different groups, i wanted, well, briefly, we see the successes of ukrainians - specialists, we we see some correspondence there, and official ones, say, related to dmitry medvedev, there were tracked for quite a long time with his subordinates, which was a big surprise for them, the surnames and places of residence of certain pilots who carried out strikes on the territory ukraine, we still

don't know a lot, but i understand that ukraine is also among the leaders now, well, in fact, every day they are already in good shape, because we cannot be if we are not in good shape, and... how efficiently we work specialists who are in the force of defense, or in certain positions, and to what extent we attract, well, again there without naming names, sums and so on, but if necessary, do we also have the opportunity to attract specialists to perform point work, attract, perform, win, but on unlike ukraine, the evil empire never admits what it has become. one or another cyber incident, they are just silent, yandex, angry, silent, sberbank angry, silent, russian railways hacked, silent, rosaviation erased, silent, they are simply in such a mode of silence, and

do not react in any way, do not comment in any way, for that, perhaps, the local swamp population does not pay attention to this, i will ask here, now we have a few minutes there. there are still several such very practical questions: should ukrainians be concerned right now that their data may be sold, what could this again threaten, but relatively speaking, i know my data in action. well, there is something like that, well, again, who is interested in them, depending, there is nothing like that, but i didn’t want my data to be traded, of course in action, for example, i don’t know if it is yes or no, but maybe, let's not get hung up on the word action, let's talk specifically about some data, so i want to say that no one merges their personal data as brightly and elegantly as users, that is, a user is simple. a user on the internet is this, this weak chain, with the help of which all data is simply

poured out, users themselves pour out everything they can, download it themselves, click on various links, visit various errors, let's simply state the fact that in ukraine there is a big problem with information and cybergyene in of ordinary users is huge, and this is an established fact if you go to facebook or go to another there. social network, if you read the comments, you will see that trash is just happening, users are complaining that there is now an attack using phishing links, telegram accounts are hijacked, facebook pages are hijacked, you just need to understand that there is basic hygiene, informational cyber hygiene, and it should be used only by us. first of all, it depends on how much our personal data is protected and how hard it is

will some cyber criminals gain access to them or to the compilation of this data? well , you know, the protection of my data, let’s say the company meta, obviously this is still a problem of the company meta, but will it be able to, well , i understand that it is always possible to steal, the only question is whether there is such an expediency to steal my facebook page . for example, it's been a week since i deleted telegram, i deleted it several times before that, and then i decided that i don't need it after all, well, i'll tell you a secret, why do criminals need your facebook page, everything is very simple, firstly, you can make a newsletter to your friends, ask them for money, this is the most primitive way, and secondly, if you have an old account, you can attach an advertisement to it. account and open some advertising while receiving a certain credit from the meta company, previously they did

really cool promotions when they created a bot farm, they took 1000 accounts, and the meta company gave each account a conditional loan of $50 there, so you have 100 bots, you have 50 thousand dollars credit line total, you take this 50,000 from the client, honestly unscrew advertising and then you forget about these bots, you earned, relatively speaking, taking into account the cost of 40, myta's company received minus 50 dollars of the dead money, because of this, you must understand that in most cases these personal data, access to them, your accounts, this is all sharpened for the criminals to receive some material benefit, if there is no material benefit, if... you see or record that some, some anomalous actions are taking place, no longer about

personal data, your personal, about some databases, then most likely hackers work in epaulettes, and there is already a different benefit, yes, hack, erase, encrypt, break, er, cause some trouble, especially this concerns the infrastructure involved in... energy systems, in some large enterprises, you know, but i am also here myself the end, well, first of all, we are now all obliged to provide our data, because we don't always have the opportunity and time to go to the shops, we need to buy something, a payment master, some repairs, whatever, well, i don't have time to run around the shops , i rarely choose discounts if i need something something is needed, but this happens, and you still provide all your data in one or another company where you order or. er , a t-shirt or a shower mixer or something else and you also become a hostage, because you

can’t do it otherwise, you won’t have access to the service, then they call you from the other side, i can’t hear this voice anymore, i’ve already blocked 10 numbers , and congratulations, you have not visited our site for a long time, we want to inform you that there is a game company there, i just block their serial number, but this is just an example of how you transfer your data, well, you you want to buy something, and then you have banal banal hygiene, if you want to pay somewhere on the internet, you can purchase a special number, let's call it, conventionally speaking, a financial number, which you will use to activate, create a virtual card, in the same bank there is a green co... where you will throw your funds, which you will enter in the network, create a separate email for various kinds of registrations, and you are already 50% protected, because if they even get access there, then there besides the fact that there are some funds that you transferred from the main card to a virtual card,

there is nothing special to take, but criminals do not stop there, so you talk about phone spam when they call you. it is not necessary that they simply stole this database, and it is not necessary that they bought it, because we know, if we take the chronology, that earlier the databases of taxi drivers and databases of other different sites were merged, they were simply taken out on flash drives, sold, on petrivka market, i once made a story as a journalist for one of the tv channels even earlier, there you could buy a data base, there you could do anything no one broke it, they took it out themselves, sold it themselves, because there was no responsibility whatsoever. in most cases , nothing is broken, you just need to study the topic, make a compilation, collect data, and after that, maybe this data will be enough for you to go to some next level there, so you should first of all think about your own cyber hygiene, and cyber hygiene in principle , mine starts with me, no one but me

will protect me in the first place, this is an axiom, and no one will protect you except you regarding phone... spam, you didn't notice that before these scammers call you, who offer you to play some games there for a low price, you just get a cold call, you pick up the phone, and nothing happens, they just hang up and 10 minutes later a robot calls you and says: oh , take part there in some of our sugar promotions, spend it, it happened several times, by the way, and you are right, it is a cold call. but i already know, they did not buy this base, they simply dial it by the method of dialing the number, record that the number answered, it is live, and already offer some services, in principle the state can and has all the levers to fight this, the question is for the state as a service, let's change

the rules so that it cannot be spread from every number, from any number. telephone spam, to be responsible for this, absolutely, that there will be a lot more fraud, and now it is, circumstances are changing, and there will be a lot more, the only thing we have to understand is that we are still in the matrix, well, time from you need time to either get out of it, or really take care of your hygiene, i don't have time, but no i will, i will, of course, i would like to talk more about the security of such a system as reserve plus, but i understand how sensitive this issue is, how much it is a topic, what... experts should deal with now regarding the security of data of military personnel, because there are more than 3 million people updated their data, so i hope that there are people working there who will really be able to do their best, we can simply ask the state a question: dear state, as a service, please pay attention to the fact that the data of ukrainians is the object of cyber attacks and interest from the country's hackers terrorist,

because of this, please pay attention and protect... as much as possible, i thank you very much for joining, thank you for your comments, oleksandr glushchenko was with us, an expert in digital technologies, you know why it is important, for example, well, there is a reserve plus system, in particular, i don’t know if the enemy wants to attack, maybe the attack fails, i don’t know, i don’t want to develop this topic, because i don’t know anything about it, but it’s trivial there data of conventional privates, there are officers who have some such specialty, not very... rare, but there are data people who have a really very important, important profession, experience, and why wouldn't someone find data on a person who, let's say, has some kind of like a scalpel for the army, she can do some such autopsies that no one else can do, and the data of this military man is, let’s say, in the reserve plus, so of course, on a conditional city man, on me, perhaps, who has some specialty there that many

people have, no one would particularly attack, but here it is necessary to defend, because it can be data really. but artificial, as they say, specialists that the enemy can really use to hunt, that's why it's here. volodymyr ogrysko, diplomat, ex-minister of foreign affairs of ukraine with us. mr. volodymyr, glad to see and hear from you. i congratulate you, mr. vasyl, unfortunately i can't see you, i see you in the photo, that's why i say, i'm glad to see you, at least in the photo, well, next time, i hope it will be better. well, we are all in the circumstances we are in. energy and so on, so we understand that we are using the opportunities that are currently available, and i will not be so as to delay you for a very long time, but i would first like to we... you gave me an answer to the question, which is this: volodymyr zelensky made a horse move, as they say, and launched a counterattack, and he did it correctly in principle, but today

volodymyr tsybulko expressed this opinion, he offered donald trump as candidate for the presidency of the united states of america, and to publish a plan for a quick end to the war, and how should trump react, and how do you evaluate this call by the president of ukraine? by the way, this is not the first time he has said, well, just tell me. well, finally he says let's plan, so what pull, let's talk about this plan, the election is already here, mr. vasyl, i think that this is a very correct thesis, and trump, instead of general talk about the fact that he has a plan, should really demonstrate it, but here there is another side of the coin, you see, we need to ask whether we have a plan, well, the answer to this is, as it were , read... well, on the basis of this plan, we are forming the first summit there, then there will be a second one and so on, but for now it is, well, i would say so, it is

a conceptual plan, it is a plan that speaks about directions, but does not talk about tactics, without these tactics it is also a little bit, in my opinion , the warehouse consists of such... generalists, what is, what is energy security, well, let 's write it down by points, what is food security, let's write this is the first, second, third, 15, 25, and what is the key topic, the restoration of territorial integrity, well, let's write that this is the exit to the borders of 1991, this is the expulsion of the russian bank from ukrainian land, what is needed for this, for this we need so-and-so, so-and-so... we can do it in order for us to do it received, we must receive from the americans this much, from the germans this much, from the french and so on for the spear, then this is the plan, and then we

can say, dear friends, in the end, when we finally agreed on this plan with you and it became real, a real signpost to our victory, let it be followed, and then we will be on our own. to demonstrate concreteness and to demonstrate the same concreteness to our western partners, because you understand, when we talk about the victory of ukraine and compare it with what is said in the west, it seems that everyone is in favor victory, but everyone has their own victory, so we need to finally create a common denominator of this victory, agree with our ukrainian society in the first place, and punt it to our western partners, it is appropriate. we work, it does not fit, we clarify, but then there is a subject for conversation, and otherwise these are general beautiful formulas that we hear for more than

one month, if not more, and which are of no use to anyone, nothing to nothing, no one to nothing i don't oblige, because these are generalists, you know, i'm definitely not a zradophile and i'm not plans to be one, at least for good. as they say, and when i control myself, but you know, here is the plan, if there is even such a plan, conditionally speaking, and of course it should not be made public and placed in the mass media, if it is really a plan that will force russia to make concessions or there, well, so that ukraine achieves the desired, the most desired under those conditions, and if such a plan really exists, or is being developed, on the other hand, it was said in ukraine that the plan. counterattack 20 of the 22nd year and summer was on the table no 23rd 23rd year 23rd 23rd year and the 22nd there was another story was on

the table in the kremlin even before it began to be implemented, i lead to the point that if the united states of america, the company, the trump team, people who are specialists in preparing certain plans and their implementation, but here the question is that yes, maybe... they do not trust president zelensky, i am ready to talk about it, but they will ask questions: wait, friends, how did it happen that your counteroffensive plan was on the table in the kremlin ? and if we announce this plan, if it even exists, where is the guarantee that there is no one is unknown who, who, too, then this plan can end up in the kremlin, again, this is not gloating, these are real facts, if they are reduced to a pile, then such a question may arise in people, if, which is really possible for donald trump, maybe this well, he doesn’t sit there alone in the evening and writes, but maybe they are developing a script for him, i won’t say a plan, a script is possible, please, you know, mr. vasiliy, i think that exactly what i’m talking about doesn’t need...

to be secret, on the contrary, on the contrary, we must tell ourselves what we mean by ours victory plan and tell our westerners about it, well, look, now nato has come to a decision that we will receive 40 billion dollars in defense aid for at least the next year, that's how we can say it, dear friends, in order for us. .. to move forward, for example, to neutralize crimea and expel russian troops from there, and this will be one of the key elements of our future victory, we need so many such and such weapons, so much for such, so much for such and such weapons, come on we will write this plan, c after all, all our western partners today publish what they give us, it

's not a secret, well, except for... individual, individual moments that definitely don't need to be talked about publicly, but 80% of the country is talking about what they, what they give us, this is the plan, and then we can say yes, if we get such, such, such, such opportunities for our armed forces, then we can guarantee you that in such and such a time crimea will be liberated . so why does this plan have to be secret? this, by the way, will be good, a signal for the kremlin as well, that no matter what they draw for themselves there or not, do not invent, but it will mean that you will not be in crimea after a certain number of months, you need to prepare for this, then i think we do not need to hide these numbers and data, on the contrary, they should be public, well, those that should be public, i'm not talking about all, that's why i think.

that we, the ukrainians, do not need to hide here, if there are some super-duper secret plans from trump, which i honestly believe very little, because what is announced by him advisors, this is not a moscow, kremlin, putin plan, so i think that here we... especially there is nothing to wait for, we need to impose our plan, we need to impose our agenda, and not wait from someone, the chinese over there or zyls or trump or whoever, who come to us with some plan of their own, this is their vision of security, and we have our own, and we must impose it, because they owe us, let no matter what anyone says, our guarantors owe us the fact

that we are alive today, we gave up our weapons under giants, well, it turned out under pseudo guarantees, so now they have to do what they did as guarantors, that’s actually the whole story, and the president says unequivocally, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, that the key issues of any plans are the issue of preserving the sovereignty of ukraine, territorial integrity, in fact, this is also our priority, but again , we are talking about what is now, but we have in our plans... the restoration of territorial integrity, but the issue of sovereignty, free choice and its development nato, the eu, it should definitely remain with kyiv, that is, there can be no question of you refusing, disbanding the army, that is, there are things that are not discussed, the president clearly, clearly says about this, there is currently such a preparatory group in the united states of america, i would said andrii yermak to the president's office, rustem mero to the minister of defense, as well as mrs. stefanishna, the vice prime minister, if i'm not mistaken,

she is there, there is a meeting. takes place on the eve of the nato summit in washington, which will be held from july 9 to 11 this year, and tell me, please, this preparation, what can really be prepared, we understand that the sounding of what we are inviting, well, there is ukraine in nato, we will probably not hear this phrase, yes, but this work is now such a group of ukrainian politicians, she which should give a result in your opinion, what still needs to be convinced, what still needs to be... well, you know, if we are pragmatic, then from the fact that they will write to us that we will definitely be in nato, are we on our way in nato, are we there through some bridge to nato, that’s all, sorry, as for practice, it doesn’t matter, we in 2008, we received the formula that one day ukraine will be in nato, but we have already been waiting for 16 years for this day.