it is necessary to understand that in most cases these personal data, access to them, your accounts, all this is aimed at the criminals to receive some material benefit, if there is no material benefit, if you see or record that something is happening, some anomalous actions are taking place , no longer about personal data, your personal data, about some databases, then most likely about... hackers work in uniform and there is already another benefit to break, erase, encrypt, break, cause some trouble, especially this concerns the infrastructure involved to energy systems, to some large enterprises, you know, but i'm still at the very end, well, first of all, we are now all obliged to provide our data. because

i don't always have the opportunity and time to go to the shops, i need to buy something, pay the master, do some repairs, whatever, i don't have time to run around the shops, choose discounts, if i need something, i rarely need anything, but it happens, and you still give all your data to one or another company where you order a t-shirt, or a shower faucet, or something else, and you also become a hostage, because you can't do it otherwise, you won't have access to the service, then they call you from the other side, i can't hear this voice anymore, i've already blocked 10. numbers, and congratulations, you haven't visited our site for a long time , we want to inform you, there is a game company out there, i just block their next number, but this is just an example of how you transfer your data, well, because you want to buy something, and then it's banal for you, banal, banal hygiene, if you want to pay somewhere on the internet, you can buy a special number, let's call it relatively speaking, the financial one you will use to activate, create a virtual card, in the same. there

in green color, where you will throw your funds, which you will enter in the network, create a separate email for various kinds of registrations, and you are already 50% protected, because if they even get access there, then there in addition to what is there some funds that you transferred from the main card to the virtual card, there is nothing special to take, but criminals do not stand still, but you are talking about telephone... spam, when they call you, it is not necessary that they simply stole this base, yes, it is not necessary that they bought it, because we know, if we take the chronology, then taxi drivers' bases, bases of other different sites were merged, they were simply taken out on flash drives, sold, petrivka, i once did a story as a journalist for one of the tv channels even earlier, there you could buy a data base, anything, maybe no one broke it, they took it out themselves, sold it themselves, because there was no ... responsibility, hackers in

in most cases, they don't break anything, they have to just study the topic, make a compilation, collect data, and after that, maybe this data will be enough for you to go to some next level there, so you must first of all think about your own cybergenia, and cybergenia basically starts with me, no one besides me, in the first place, no one will protect me, this is an axiom, and no one will protect you except you. about phone spam, you didn't notice that before you get a call from these scammers who offer you to play some cheap games there, you just get a cold call, you pick up the phone, and nothing happens, they just hang up the phone and 10 minutes later a robot calls you and says: oh, take part in some of our chic spending promotions, it happened several times, by the way, but you're right, it's a cold call. but i already know, they

didn't buy this base, they simply dial the number using the number screening method, they record that the number answered, it is alive and they already offer some services, in principle the state can and has all the tools to fight this, questions to the state as a service, let's change the rules so that from each number, with some number could not... spread telephone spam, so that the responsibility for this was, absolutely, that there will be a lot more fraud, and now it is, the circumstances are changing, and there will be a lot more, the only thing we have to understand is that we all still in the matrix, well, from time to time you have to either leave it, or really take care of your hygiene, i don’t have time, and i won’t now, of course i would like to talk more about the security of such a system as reserve plus, but i i understand how sensitive this issue is, how...

er, this is a topic that should be dealt with by specialists now regarding the security of the data of military personnel, because there more than 3 million people have updated their data, so i hope that there are people working there who will really be able to do the best. because of this, please pay attention and protect as best as possible. thank you very much for joining, thank you for your comments. oleksandr hlushchenko was with us, an expert in digital technologies. do you know why it is important? ok, there... the reserve plus system, in particular, i don't know, if the enemy wants to attack, maybe he can't attack, i don't know, i don't want to develop this topic, because i no, no, i don’t know about this, but it’s commonplace that there are data on conditional privates, there are officers who, well, have such a specialty that is not very rare, but

there are data on people who have a really, very important , important profession, experience, and why wouldn’t someone find the data on a person who, let's say, has some such as her as a ska. for the army, she can perform such autopsies that no one will do, and the data of this military man is, let's say, in the reserve plus, so of course, on a conditional private, on me, perhaps, who has some specialty there, such that many have, no one would particularly attack, and here it is necessary to protect, because this could be the data of really artificial, as they say, specialists who the enemy can really hunt for, so here it is, and volodymyr ogrysko is with us, a diplomat, an ex-minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, mr. vodymir, glad to see and hear from you. i congratulate you, mr. vasyl, unfortunately i can't see you, i see you in the photo, that's why i say, i'm glad to see you, at least in the photo, it's clear, it's clear, well, next time, i hope, everything will be better. well, we are all in the circumstances in which we are, energetic

and so on, so we understand that we use the opportunities that are currently available. and i will not detain you for a very long time, but i would like first... for us, for you to give me an answer to the following question: volodymyr zelenskyi made a horse move, as they say, and launched a counterattack, and did the right thing in principle, as volodymyr tsybulko expressed this opinion today, he suggested to donald trump, as a candidate for the presidency of the united states of america, to publish a plan for a quick end to the war, and how should trump react and how would you rate this call by the president of ukraine, by the way, this is not the first time he has said that... well, tell me how? well, finally he says, let's have a plan, well, what to drag, let's talk about this plan, the elections are already for, well, this, this, mr. vasilyu, i believe that this is a very correct thesis, and trump, instead of general conversations about , that he has a plan, well, he should really

demonstrate it, but there is another side of the coin, you see, we have to ask, do we have a plan, well, that is the answer. like it seems that there is, on the basis of this, this plan, we are forming the first summit there, then there will be a second one and so on, but that’s it for now, well , i would say so, well, it’s a conceptual plan, it’s a plan that tells about the directions , but does not talk about tactics, and without these tactics, it is also a little, as i think, the composition is made up. from such generals, what is energy security, well, let's write it down by points, what is food security, let's write it first, second, third, 15, 25, and what is the key topic, restoration of territorial integrity, well

, let's write that this is the exit to the borders of 1991, this is the expulsion of the russian panth from the ukrainian land, what is needed for this, for this... we need such and such help, in order to we got it, we have to get as much from the americans as from the germans, as much from the french and so on per spear, then this is the plan, and then we can say, dear friends, in the end, when we finally agreed on this plan with you and it became real , a real signpost to our victory, let it be implemented, and then we will... demonstrate concreteness to ourselves and demonstrate the same concreteness to our western partners, because you understand, when we talk about the victory of ukraine and compare it with the same thing that is said in the west, it seems that everyone is for victory, but

everyone has their own victory, so we need to finally create a common denominator of this victory, agree with our ukrainian society in the first place, and pontificate it to our western partners. it fits, we are working on it, it doesn't fit, we are clarifying, but then there is subject for conversation, and otherwise these are general beautiful formulas that we hear more than once. a month, if not, no, no, no, no more, and who do not oblige anyone, anything, anything, because they are generalists, you know, i am definitely not a zradophile and i don't plan to be one, at least in good conscience, as they say, and even when i control myself, but you know, that's a plan, if there is even such a plan, conditionally speaking, and of course it shouldn't be. publicized and placed in the mass media, if true a plan that will force russia to make concessions or

so that ukraine achieves the desired, the most desired under those conditions, yes, if such a plan really exists or is being developed. on the other hand, it was said in ukraine that the plan of the 20th counteroffensive, which was in the 22nd year, and the summer one was on the table, no, the 23rd, the 23rd year, the 23rd, the 23rd year, so on the 22nd. there was another story, was on the table in the kremlin even before it was implemented, i lead to the point that if the united states of america, the company, the trump team, the people who are specialists in the preparation of certain plans and their implementation, well, the question is that yes, maybe they trust president zelensky, i am ready to talk about it, but they will ask questions: wait, friends, how did it happen that your counteroffensive plan was in the kremlin on the table, and if we voice this plan, if it even exists, where is the guarantee that there is no one, it is not known who, who may also then this plan end up in the kremlin,

again, this is not hypocrisy, these are real facts, if reduce them to a pile, then such a question can arise in people, if it is really possible for donald trump, maybe he is not sitting there writing in the evening, but maybe they are developing a scenario for him, i will not say the plan, the scenario is possible, please, you know, mr. vasiliy, i i think exactly what... i 'm talking about doesn't need to be secret, on the contrary, on the contrary, we should tell ourselves what we mean by our victory plan and tell our westerners about it, well, look, now nato has come to a decision about the fact that we receive 40 billion at least for the next year dollars of aid in the field of defense, so we can say, dear friends, in order for us to move forward, for example, to neutralize crimea, and expel

russian troops from there, and this will be one of the key elements of our future victory, we need so much weapons, so many such and such weapons, let's give this plan and write it down, in the end , all our western partners today publish what they give us, it is not... a secret, well, except for some, individual moments that definitely do not need to be talked about publicly, but 80% of the country says that they, what they give us, this is the plan, and then we can say yes, if we get such, such, such, such capabilities for our armed forces, then we can guarantee you , that time is such and such an amount of time... crimea will be liberated, so why should this plan be secret, by the way, it will

also be a good signal for the kremlin, that you should not draw for yourself there and do not invent things, but this will mean that you will not be in crimea in a certain number of months, you have to travel to this, so i think we don’t need it here hide these numbers and data, on the contrary, they should be public, well, those that should be public, i am not talking about all. therefore, i think that here we, we ukrainians, do not need to hide if there are some super-duper secret plans of trump, which i honestly believe very weakly, because what his advisers announce is not trumpian , and the moscow, kremlin, putin plan, so i think that... there is nothing for us to wait for, we have to impose our

plan, we have to impose our agenda, and don't expect from some chinese people there, the chinese or trump or someone else, who will come to us with some plan of their own, this is their vision of security, and we have our own, and we must impose it, because they owe us, let no matter what anyone says, our guarantors owe us. what we are going through today, we gave weapons under guarantees, well, it turned out under pseudo-guarantees, so now they have to do what they did as guarantors, that's actually the whole story. well, the president says unequivocally, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, about the key issues any plans, this is a matter of preserving the sovereignty of ukraine, ah, territorial integrity, in fact, that is also our priority, but again, we are talking about what is now, but we have plans to restore territorial integrity, well but the question of sovereignty, free choice, and

the development of nato, the eu, must definitely remain with kyiv, that is, it cannot even be discussed. language that you refuse, disband the army, that is, there are things that are not discussed, the president clearly, clearly says about this, now in the united states of america there are such the preparatory group, i would say andrii yermak , the bench of the president's office, rustem umerov, the minister of defense, and also mrs. stefanichna, the vice prime minister, if i'm not mistaken, is there, there are meetings taking place, on the eve of the nato summit in washington, which will take place from the 9th to july 11 of this year, and please tell me, this preparation, what... can really be prepared, we understand that the sounding of what we are inviting, well, there is ukraine in nato, we will probably not hear this phrase, yes, but this work now such a group of ukrainian politicians, she which should give the result in your opinion, what still needs to be convinced, what still needs to be presented? well, you know, if we are pragmatic, then from

the fact that they will write to us that we will definitely be in nato, or we are on... the path goes to nato, or we are there through some bridge to nato, that's all, sorry , as for practice, it does not matter, since 2000 we have received the formula that one day ukraine will be in nato, but we have already been waiting for 16 years on this day, we have waited, as they say, so you know, for all these formulas, to be honest, i already have a big allergy, and another phrase, and another phrase the door, the door to nato is wide open for ukraine? well, absolutely, that is, wide or wider or longer, it is already, it is no longer important, because it has already filled oskomina, and it is already just a variable over common sense. therefore, to be pragmatic, i believe that the best decision for ukraine in washington will be a decision to provide us with a large number of weapons, because

today, the issue of ending the war is not resolved through diplomatic means, and this should be just as clearly... clearly understood and do not act on these all the talk about the diplomatic way of solving russia's aggression, until we bring the aggressor to his knees, no diplomats can do anything, and this is an axiom, so if we end up talking in washington immediately, exactly immediately once, but now all that we need do you need... er, the lion's share of what we need, this will be the practical result, further, after crimea falls first, and then the south, and then the east, and the question of all the following things will actually be resolved, and then the diplomats will have something to get busy, for now they have to work on one thing, on obtaining the maximum amount of weapons for ukraine, this seems to me to be the key

task for all our diplomats, politicians of any level today, now in... we have a little time, but i want to talk about the visit of viktor orban, this is his third visit to ukraine, the first was in the 12th year during the time of the fugitive president viktor yanukovych, the traitor, then during the time of poroshenko in the 15th year, and for the first time during a full-scale war, viktor orban came to ukraine, a man who has been to ukraine three times for such a person a long period of time, for 12 years, well, she definitely didn't come, it's not andrzej duda, who came often, just to say congratulations, we will open a ukrainian school in hungary. and the real purpose of the visit, because here from what he brought, brought a message from putin, to the fact that it is just such a gesture, since hungary presides over the european union, well, we came to talk, according to your information, what can be voiced what did the prime minister of the hungarian republic come with, well, you see, mr. vasyl,

he was under pressure from the european union to finally stop playing. this is his role as a complete counterbalance to everything that is happening in relation to ukraine, and i think he heard it, and in order for him to be less, let's say, undiplomatically bullied in the european union and for him to have some certain dividends from this, he had to make this first visit really to kyiv, but what exactly did he come with, he came with a message from moscow and, i think, from trump, let's not forget that not so long ago... orban was with trump, and i think one of the topics that they discussed, was precisely ukrainian, taking into account that orban and possibly trump

are sitting on the long hook of the kgb, fsb, then i think that orban here performed the function of this information supplier. mation from, first of all from moscow, because what he brought, well, in fact, is no different from the main thesis, which today, which putin seized today, he needs to stop the war on this border, then, as he says, diplomacy , well, what is called russian diplomacy, we know very well, so i think that orban as a cunning po... politician and as a dependent politician was forced to take this step, satisfying on the one hand the discontent in the european union, and on the other hand fulfilling the tasks

he received both from moscow and from trump. i think that he actually coped with this function. and there for blizir, as they say, to talk about ukrainian-hungarian relations, that we will prepare a new treaty and so on, well, these are all obvious reasons to... divert attention from the main thing. thank you so much for joining in, thank you for your comments. volodymyr hrytsko, diplomat, ex-minister. thank you for the affairs of ukraine, take care, by the way, we have such a guy in the chat, well, as soon as we started talking about this digital security, this spencer brown appeared. he writes a lot in english, i actually translate everything he writes. such an interesting person. uh, i think everyone, our viewers are reading there too, like, as soon as you start talking. about digital security, about other things, such people immediately appear who start to publish some banal things in english, which everyone has known for a long time or which are possible theories of language, well, but i will in any case

like, share, comment on the video, our chat is open to adequate people, those who are inadequate will be removed from the chat obviously, but we will continue the conversation and now we will move on to the conversation about the economic situation, nina yuzhanina with us, people's deputy of ukraine, mrs. nino, i congratulate you. good evening, i 'm still going to talk about economic reservation, prospects, justice and most importantly , efficiency for both business and the military should be here, but i can't help but ask you because this morning, but yesterday i read the posts of some people, well, the posts of some people, really experts, not that there are random people on facebook, who said that ukraine expects a default and if they do not agree, then everything will be completely terrible, on the other hand, this morning i read... mr. forsa, who wrote that the situation is not so terrible, there will be no default, and somehow we will get out of all this and there is no need to panic. i would like a balanced

opinion from you both as a person involved in the business and as a person who actually works in the verkhovna rada knows and understands a lot, and it is worth expecting a default, it is not worth it, at what stage these negotiations can be and what are the real threats to ukraine today in the plan. repayment of debts and agreements on the restructuring of external debts, please, well, first of all, it was definitely necessary to react much earlier and approach the proposals to private creditors, that is, private individuals who hold our ukrainian bonds, and what the government proposed, hoping that, what can be done there during the war. saty 60% of the debt sweat, obligations of ukraine, well, this did not suit private creditors. and i, many months ago, started

promoting this topic with the fact that for some reason i thought that the current minister of finance would follow the path of restructuring as ms. yarysko did in her time, and where there were also much smaller amounts of debt to private creditors, but the situation was also very... difficult, because, for example, there was a debt of 4.6 billion at that time for ukraine, which was an insane amount. now the debt to private creditors is somewhere around 20 billion i it is clear that this is a significant amount for the state budget of ukraine today, so i am sure that some restructuring option will be found, but there is exactly one month left for all this. and for good reason, you know, i am even today. letters appeared there that were sent before the review of our memorandum with the imf, which were signed by everyone,

from... the responsible persons, this is the president, the prime minister, the minister of finance and the head of the national bank, they even spoke here for the imf, that they undertake to reach an agreement with the commercial ones creditors until the end of august 24th, and in the event that the debt prospects actually deteriorate, they will be informed about it and take further measures, so it is clear to say, as mr. fursa says about... that in any case they will agree it is not possible, there are obviously certain threats, otherwise, for example, such statements would be, well, this is a document in which, in which the most important things are said before starting to watch the programs, so it is stated exactly in the letter signed by all these people of ours, which is actually very important for today, this is what dialogue is, and

for example, as an example, i read the comment of the first deputy head of the national bank, ms. kateryna roshkovo, and she notes that, in general , negotiations with commercial creditors have always been difficult, but something will be achieved, but we will wait for this moment, it is very important, although you all should understand that as another great figure of our time wrote before this about the fact that... de facto we already have such a default situation, well, i'm not afraid to talk about it, it's just that we don't have it yet, we have heavy debts in general, we have to work on them, and it may turn out that significant sums will be allocated from the budget to service all these debts, which will cause a very big tension in terms of

government spending. other people's budget, and madam, we will literally have eight minutes, but here we are, by the way, i thank you very much for answering this question, because it is important for people to say such sober professional things, as they say, disengaged, maybe so, it may be so, but there are risks, because it is not necessary to say that we will all die tomorrow, but also to say that let's launch the pink balls, it's good, the balls are not worth it either, so thank you for that, well, there are eight minutes, and i want you to give your opinion and most importantly, the perspective of considering the issue of... fairness and efficiency and for business and for the army in this time of war, at this very time, how is it supposed to work, or will it work with? let's express my opinion now, today i talked in zum with all our regional organizations from all over ukraine and business representatives, and they all say with one voice that this is exactly the topic economic reservation, it should not even be discussed in society. this is

such a painful topic, it is more painful than all topics, even more painful than the lack of electricity, for this terrible mobilization, which does not correspond to any, does not fit into any framework of civilized relations between the state and people, therefore, for some reason, economic armoring itself became such a trigger that "united society and proved to the point that people say they cannot be in the country by". tututia, people who have the same rights and the same obligations to be, redeem themselves money, this is exactly how it is interpreted in society, and then my question, as an economist, let's calculate, and what does it mean, what does it mean to buy off, how much additional income will it bring to the budget, how much will we be able to provide, how much more will we provide for our armed forces, and what will be further, and

answer this question. there is no draft law, there is no economic calculation, regarding what we expect, and that is why they tell me there that some astronomical hundreds of billions were called by the head of the specialized committee, this is economic policy, mr. natalukha, another the chairman of the specialized tax committee says that we counted it somewhere up to 50-60 billion additional hryvnias, and this is in the best case, if everyone, everyone concentrates their efforts there, i have absolutely... questions, please tell me, we understand , to what extent this replenishment of the state budget and the possibility of financing will affect the fact that we have a mobilization resource, unfortunately, we have to call it that now, the people who are subject to mobilization will be significantly reduced, by what number, who gave this calculation, no one, so there are large on such weighty issues.

we don't have a concrete answer, where is it?