no senate, because a lot of money is poured out to discredit us as a country as much as possible, to impose various myths on us, although we, on our part, have to work even harder, we have to show even more who we are, and that 's exactly what it was very valuable when we tried to bring the maximum number of doubting senators and congressmen to ukraine, i personally know examples of those congressmen who were ... to ukraine, when they were brought, recently last week in kherson, and they saw, after all, they dared there and went to kherson, and they saw what happened and what could happen, they completely changed their thoughts and their rhetoric, began to understand more that this war is very, that in the world has not yet seen or known the principles of such a war, so i would say the following, that

we definitely cannot enter into any peace negotiations with russia, and america and europe simply have to understand only one thing, if they do as much as possible, what rather, they will help ukraine with equipment, including, possibly ee additional army, i generally think that it is not yet excluded that the allies will come together, and the sooner we would drive out the enemy of our land, the sooner, in principle, this war would be close to the fact that... that we would as ukraine had victory in this war, but unfortunately, so far we have such a statement of the fact that a lot of countries really do not want this, because the war is being fought in our country, and they are just helping, but the war is still being fought on our land , that is, so far all these intimidations from the russian federation are not act so well that it is not so scary for europe, the point is that intimidation. of the russian federation have been going on

for centuries and years, and they do not bring anything new. yes, this is really a country that does not sleep, you can say, they are maneuvering, they are looking for allies, they are looking for new weapons, which, first of all, and they find, which , by the way, should give us the opportunity to draw conclusions from this, to ease the bureaucracy of those enterprises , which have now gone down in defense industry history because... believe me, with i am not talking to those who are related to this matter, these are really people who today are simply incredible, how bulldozers are pushing that bureaucracy further into the ministry of defense, etc., that is , to simplify as much as possible at the financial banking level all those things that will allow you to buy faster border, all the necessary equipment to do what we do here, that is, we also have to change internally, including these state apparatuses, which... are very complex and which really

slow down the process in bureaucratic moments for a very long time, because exiting we are gone, the sooner we are will create, the more we create additional domestic ukrainian types of weapons that we can create, the better we will be able to repel the enemy's attack. mr. potsnik, what do you think about how much more effective we have become now, because in that interview we wrote with you, you also said that our enemy has been changing all this time. and you have experience with the ato, from the war that started in 2014, and that they are also getting stronger, you said that, but what about us, what can we oppose them now? yes unfortunately our enemy is evolving, and in some directions we already have to catch up, and i remember the 22nd year, when... the katsaps did not have a single

drone, but when we had these drones just flew in packs, if a tank appeared somewhere in katsapsky, 20 of these drones took off at once and everyone was correcting where you could get this artillery from, that tank was just falling apart, now the situation is a bit reversed, because actually the enemy has set up... ah serial production of cheap drones, they are carrying these eagles, pour cars there, start them almost from a slingshot, but there are a lot of them, yes, we shoot down, yes, we harvest a lot there, so we damage them, but everything is raw production, the economy is on military rails, but our efficiency is also increasing, our boys and girls are also learning... , and we have

foreign training, the unit that i command, everyone is required to undergo training abroad. they come back with knowledge and it helps a lot to hold back the rush, yes, because they really go in waves, the ratio of losses 1 to 10 is in order things at all, but besides that, of course, we need development, there is a potential for the development of our technological sector, military technology, and there really are these bleivan and other directions. but you just need to focus on them and the authorities and help ensure that these directions fully satisfy the needs, the needs of the army, give certain benefits for the creation and operation of such enterprises, give them, well, adequate conditions

of order, and not these circles of hell, which which the manufacturer of something for the army must go through in order to be certified, codified. to spend tests, to bring some common standards, yes, in order for ours, if there were means of radio-technical combat, radio reconnaissance, so that they do not interfere with each other, and to implement tactics, tactics for the use of these means, that's all, well, the task is complex, but... . it was first implemented precisely and it is already implemented, and our military would use their skills much better, make the drones and the equipment

with which they fight better, and even this allows them to gain an advantage over against the background of a large number of low-quality, cheap, but cheap and many russian drones, therefore we have only one solution, it is to develop it, it is simply to simplify and give freedom to this entrepreneurship, which creates these, technical means of struggle and makes our war more technological, because our war is now technological, and in order for our army to win, well, mr. mykola knyzhitskyi, i understand that you are... not a military expert, but i want to talk, but again, i will return to this zelenskyi's interview, which really sends the right messages, i'm with you here i agree, and as for me, he conducts a very high-quality international policy, he said something like that, that i am ready to communicate with trump, at least as the head of a nation of forty million people

, i should understand what we should prepare for, because , as i understand it, there is an optimistic the plan is pessimistic, when the usa can theoretically go into... such self-isolation, or partial self-isolation, if we talk about a pessimistic plan, what do you think will happen in our country if the united states distances itself as much as possible from aid, after all, there is not only the united states, there is europe, which, even in those moments when these negotiations between the congressmen lasted for a long time, seemed to put a shoulder to words. well, first of all, i want to say that there are things that we can't control, but there are things where we... have to be leaders, and we shouldn't just ask them what's coming, we have to do it ourselves everything to convince them, to support us, firstly, secondly, to understand that no one will refuse our support, no apocalyptic scenario awaits us in international support, i do not see it, it is not beneficial to anyone, it is not needed by anyone. what

does trump say? trump says, we will give more and support nato, if the countries that are there will give 2% of gdp each. it is beneficial for us, tell me that... these countries themselves give more to the defense of nato and to our support than they are giving now, it is beneficial, that is, i do not hear anything threatening for us anywhere. trump says that he will try to influence putin, what if somehow ukraine and putin negotiate, and putin wants to negotiate? no, what trump will do, if putin does not want to negotiate, obviously support ukraine more. europe, look, we started talking about orbán coming here. orban, by the way, when he was here, lavrov ran to report to putin, and orban looked like a completely unindependent puppet. but why did orban come? orbán did not create the so-called great fascist international in the european union, he did not succeed. orbán

was against the only election of ursula fonderen, that is, orbán, his policies and his calls did not have any success in europe, despite this hungarian will wait six months for the european union, this means that he, as a representative of such a country, must come here and show that he fulfills the wishes of the european union, the wishes of the european union to help ukraine. he could not send any other message, and then he went to apologize to putin, once again demonstrating his lack of independence, that is, for us, i do not see any threats in this at all. obviously, you have to be careful. obviously, russia, as we read and see it now, affects not only our information space, the information space of france, the united states of america, there are now many investigations about this, there are statements openly about russian politicians, there is a provocation. like tucker, who said that an interview with zelenskyi was about to be released, and then

zelenskyi's press secretary absolutely rightly said that he was given wrong information by the fsb, that they are working against us, but they have no power to defeat us and the democratic world, they don't have another thing is that we have to demonstrate that we are part of this democratic world. you know, as, unfortunately, the main competitor biden in this election, as they say... in the united states, there is his age, er, exactly the same, the main, weak point of ukraine is not international support, our internal politics, our corruption, which is used by our enemies, when it comes to they talk and raise this issue all the time, our lack of democracy, which can prevent us from quickly becoming members of the european union and moving towards nato, that is why it is said in the bilateral agreement. we need to improve internally, but we are on the right path, we are doing it. and that's why i don't see, the only thing in what way would i disagree with zelenskyi, as you will come back again, in the fact that we

should not wait and think what they will tell us, but actually shape their policy towards us ourselves, because their policy towards us today is a policy towards of the entire european union, because our victory is the victory of the european union, democracy and the world order that came into being after the second world war, which russia, china, iran, north korea and other authoritarian regimes want to abolish. we are a key player here and we need to realize this responsibility. yuriy tenaseychuk, you have not yet spoken on our broadcast, well, you are a lawyer, i understand that here we have more such political conversations, but if we imagine that some form of contract appears, so does the russian federation on the other side , in general , legally there are some steps and ways in your opinion, maybe with the support of our partners. in order for some papers, which i can hardly imagine now, what they might

be, for them to have at least some, shall we say, practical value, i am not convinced, not only because this is russia, and there is a well-known phrase about the value of documents signed by the russian side, i am not convinced that i myself would... without its immediate effect , its implementation would be able to work for a long time, we can even take a retrospective view of the collapse of the soviet union, many treaties, intergovernmental agreements, intergovernmental agreements were signed, and very difficult, for example, documents were either not signed or signed and difficult to implement. which relate to armaments, which relate to demilitarization and

demarcation, that is all that was not implemented immediately, remains exclusively exclusively a document that was not implemented, there are no special appeals to these documents and no special judicial institutions, there is exclusively international diplomacy, in which... we also have to be winners, we also have to be perfect, and apparently, regardless of some of our own, our own political , political vision, political choice, this primarily concerns the representatives of ukraine, that is , to implement, to implement in... quick successful steps in diplomacy, i think that

now i agree, our colleague mr. mykola knyazhytskyi started with this, what about effective diplomacy, which is currently working very well, or at least it also seems to me that we are making maximum efforts in this, mr. yurchyshyn, what are the prospects for... this peace summit that zelensky is talking about now, the next peace summit, you see should we expect it to have a positive effect on us? any platform where we can once again loudly declare what is happening in ukraine is useful, and the effectiveness will be maximum when the mechanisms that ukraine offers are worked out as clearly as possible, in in this case, once again, i will return to the recent visit to

the osce parliamentary assembly, our partners very positively perceived the presence, well, actually... of such a summit, because ukraine actually demonstrates an active position, we are ready to negotiate, but we are ready to negotiate not about surrender, and about peace, and our demands for peace are as follows: de-occupation, security guarantees, we, as a country attacked in international treaties of any kind, are the ones who should shape the actual agenda of the next age. that the first persons of the leading states should come, and here it is already necessary understand that it is necessary to work with both the republican party and the democratic party so that the united states is represented at

the highest level, it is necessary to actively continue to work with the global proper. and not because it is a terinkognikata for us, but because russia, china, and totalitarian countries are actually trying to find the maximum resources there, we need to cut them off from these resources, in principle, the more actively ukraine will declare itself on the international platform, the it is better whether we should expect any extraordinary decisions or from the summit global peace, or now from the next... nato forum, surely we should not be charmed, the decisions will be extremely difficult, because we need to convince the world that does not want to fight that either they contribute to our victory here, or they will be forced to fight in themselves, and this is not in the picture

of the world, it is they who do not see this reality, not their relatives die, not every family. has losses, a huge number of people are not displaced in them, so those who are closer, our neighbors feel better, and they understand that for a little, for a little, but in fact, they our and the biggest ambassadors are actually demanding decisive actions, because, well, as our, for example, estonian colleagues tell us, they say there, we understand that if they attacked us, we, well... it would be a completely different picture , so here it is necessary that the ukrainian authorities actually do something worthwhile, unfortunately, they do it not always, and i would even say very rarely, it is to involve as many of those who can give quality recommendations, among those who have experience, how about international partners,

not only international ones, ukraine has a huge number number. people who actively worked in the international arena and are, well, there are enough powerful representatives there, the same mr. ogrysko or the same mr. chaly, or we are waiting for it to be turned on with orysk, but the light has gone out, yes, we will now, is it the same roman bezsmertny, who was once a member of the negotiation group, eventually listens more to the ambassadors of ms. oksana markarova, can do a lot. help in such recommendations, here is not bravado, here not only, that time has passed, after the liberation by our heroic armed by the forces of part of the occupied territories, after buchi irpin, when ukraine was at the peak of its popularity, when everyone wanted to take a picture with our president, and when

ukrainian positions were very easy to enter, now it is necessary to shape it, and in order to shape it, it is necessary to involve. public organizations, it is necessary to involve the entire spectrum of politics, international lawyers in order to work out , point by point, the very things that we need. on the positive side, the rhetoric is changing. for example, in the last of the resolutions of the osce parliamentary assembly, it is bipartisan amendment from republicans and democrats clearly defined russian policy as colonial, as imperial, that before, well , if the united states had never used, because what is the definition of colonial policy, it is that... the world must fight for the liberation of those who not only occupied, and who is now actually under colonial pressure, this is basically the construction of post-war, post-europe

and the world after the second world war, but whether we will be able to consolidate it depends very much on what arsenal we will use, and to refuse experience in this case, in ukraine, thank god, there is, very... mr. vasylenko, who did not live up to this time, who in fact, well, there contributed a lot to the formation of ukrainian foreign policy, in principle, as a proactive part, but in our there are people with whom we can and should work. volodymyr ogrysko, we are contacting you by phone, we wanted to see you, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, the head of the russian research center, but we know that you are not available. light, so only audio, mr. volodymyr, what fools are trying to trick us to lead putin

and orban with their proposals for peace, orban says that we just need to stop shooting, well, we've heard that before and we know what it all led to, putin says, let's go back to the istanbul format, well, not exactly like that, but how we use the platform, what is behind it, i congratulate you, mr. vitaly, i congratulate you dear. dear colleagues, thank you very much parfishan for such a high assessment of my modest capabilities, in fact, we really have a lot of people who have experience, who have the desire, but at the same time, we still need the authorities to want to listen to these parades, sometimes it happens, unfortunately, in many cases it does not, well, it is such a thing, i think that it is not necessary to go like this... they wrote something directly and gave it, i think, ultimately it there can be work through the public, through public organizations,

through the parliament, by the way, because ultimately the parliament is a representative of the people, and if, let's say, there can be some developments, then they can simply become part of the activities in our parliament as well through our ee people's elected representatives, eh, about what actually, these plans are telling mr. vitaly, they are talking about the fact that we do not have a plan of our own, well, maybe it sounds a little controversial, but look, for those of us who do not already offer any plans, this is the last thing i received today, this is already a turkish plan, erdogan's, well, just for information and i think just for laughs or sarcasm. here he is one of the points of this plan, forgetting, of course, about nato, about everything that concerns our real sovereignty, he says: well, the permission of ukraine to join the eu through

50 years, you understand, as long as we give someone the right to write our plans for us, then we will receive these plans, from orban, from fizipine, from putin, from brazil, from south africa, from whom you forget, soon , penguins from the corresponding parts of the world will write to us, because we ourselves must demonstrate what we want, i heard her with great joy once about this ten-point plan, well , it's not a plan, it's a plan of her thesis , is a concept plan, but not an action plan, but until then, while we don't have this specific... action plan that deciphers, well, conditionally speaking, point one, territorial integrity, what does that mean? this means in order for us to liberate our territories, we need not

seven atakams there, but 27 atakams there or other systems that protect our cities, for this we need not 24 f-16 planes, but 125 such, 16 that for this we need some, some billion dollars, the result will be... in a month this, in two months this, in five months this, this means that we we are moving towards the implementation of our plan, and if we all the time somewhere, you know, we give it to switzerland, a beautiful country, of course, but if we give it the right to formulate the final document, then it will impose on us what it considers appropriate, and not the other way around, that's actually what i think we need to talk about now, when we discuss the next plans, i'll say it again, being, being us... some other countries can invent what they want, but not us, that's why i support panechna in the sense that you should finally stop listening to someone. sit down and

shut yourself in some room until the white smoke leaves the pipe of this room, do not leave there, but leave with a ready-made, real , concrete plan of what we should do in each of these areas, very specific, very detailed in terms of executors, finances, therefore, when it is done, then with such a plan we should go to nato, to biden, and to trump and to whomever, because then we clearly show what we want. what is needed for this and what will be the result? mr. volodymyr, we started talking about it, that people like you were heard in our studio it is worth involving in some advice for the authorities, you were involved in this, you were asked, maybe you could share some of your experience, well , i will not reveal all the details, so to speak, but i will tell you that here...

our dear colleague the ambassador was mentioned today vasylenko, with him and several other colleagues, we are still at the first stages, at the early stages of this large-scale invasion, when it was about limiting or, well , actually depriving russia of the opportunity to sit in the un, especially in the un exchange, then we have prepared a very interesting one in our opinion several... out of a dozen ambassadors who have experience working in the un, outside the un, in america, and anywhere else worked there, but they gave it, well, the result so far is that today , this month, russia is leading a riot and will to again impose your vision of what is happening in ukraine on the world, well, this is, so to speak, one of the examples, it's terrible, in fact, it 's a pity that you're only on the phone, we're just

worried about that. viewers who watch us on television and on youtube, it may be difficult for them to understand, but nevertheless, i will briefly ask one more question, which concerns precisely the nato summit, which should take place in the near future, what should we expect from it, because of course we would like to be invited to nato, but we already understand that it's open there, it's not going to happen right away, but what are the prospects? you know, i don't see any prospects in terms of prospects, because we have been told that we will become members of the alliance since 2008, i was then at this bukhara summit as part of a delegation, so we were told that one day ukraine and georgia will become a member of the alliance, but we have already lived from april 2008 for how long, 16 years, and this day has not yet come, and i am afraid that if we

continue. these days, then we won't get them, but what we can expect from this summit and what would be realistic in my opinion is the maximum obtaining of military equipment, weapons and financing of these weapons, this is what we can realistically get in order to bring this damned enemy, to actually have... the opportunity to join nato, without this, without this the prerequisites will constantly tell us that we are a bridge, are we there, are we going in the right direction, do we still need to make five revolutions around our own russia, come up with something, until we crush the spine of the russian reptile, until then our path to nato will be exactly this twisted and quite

quite to... so i think that the best gift from nato will be if they say, we will give you tens of billions of dollars this year, next year it will be 40 or 40 plus, and it will be like that every year before that the moment until we together defeat russia, and the moment when the thought arises in the heads of the nato leaders that it is necessary to defeat russia, that is the moment we will start to really get closer to us. thank you for your comments. volodymyr hrysko was with us the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, the head of the russian research center. it was just important for us to hear about russia's intentions and what their statements mean. mr. golomsha, you raised your hand , please. to tell the replica that in the background...