our path to nato will be so twisted and quite long, so i think that the best gift from nato will be if they say, this year we will give you several tens of billions of dollars, next year it will be 40 or 40 plus , and it will be like this every year until the moment until we together defeat russia, and that moment when in the minds of the nato... russia, that moment we will start to really get closer to us. thank you for your comments. volodymyr ogrysko, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, the head of the center was with us of research in russia. it was just important for us to hear about russia's intentions and what their statements mean. mr. golomsha, you raised your hand, please. to the reply, i would like to say that against the background of... the fact that

the european union recognizes and talks about the genocide of the ukrainian people, in the united states there is talk again about recognizing russia as a terrorist state, look how much, how cities are being destroyed, how they are fighting on peacefully in peaceful territories, talk about peace, well, it is simply unacceptable, we are talking about surrender, withdrawal from our... territories attention, that at all these negotiations, our government, our establishment must speak to the troops, this is, this is their desire, then of course the fire will cease, but i would like to address in one language: the principles of international law, we cannot talk about what will happen will trump speak, will some other personality speak, by the way, trump already wanted not to provide us with weapons and almost... was not

impeached, and the congress, the senate obliged, he mostly provided us with weapons. as for the principles of international law, they do not allow going beyond the scope of sovereignty of ukraine, deprivation of its territorial integrity. i would like to remind you that the decision of the un general assembly was adopted, and ukraine must seek to implement the decision of the un general assembly, because russia does not... block it there, they only block it in the security council, of course, seek their release from the un security council, because it is such a shame that the general assembly stated that russia committed a world crime, attacked a sovereign state, and remains in the un security council. at that summit following the second world war, we should have raised the question of creation of the anti-putin coalition, and... to mobilize

all that reserve, zelensky is right to sign agreements, even though he is being trolled, to mobilize that reserve and point out that if there is any advantage and help there from the dictatorial regimes, then our partners will also join the battle for ukraine, i understand that this will be a parity point of view, and not, i’m sorry, i don’t want to say bad... well, that is, there must be a specific position, and of course, that ukraine has potential, there is enough professional segment to ask questions and make decisions compliance with the un charter, international conventions, international treaties, exclusively, but how is it that they are not excluded by these organizations, they begin to chair in july, in july russia chairs the un security council, and this is... well, it raises

a lot of questions, in fact, we have had these questions about this organization for a long time, but what can be done about this issue? i will tell you, ukraine should have asked the number one question, more than 25% of the segment of the russian federation present in the security council, in the very apparatus of the un, that is, russia simply filled it with money, money and shoved its own. people, the human rights commission in switzerland is headed by who? fsbist, who sends us magat relevant specialists from 17-15 hostile to ukraine, only two loyal to ukraine. second, when the question arose, iryna nizhenska, who headed the security, security sector of the un mission in ukraine, did not sign that we did not shoot down mh16, she was kicked out of this commission. and now that

russia has been voted out of this commission, the chairman continues to preside a russian, that is, our diplomatic department. should work, i would like the power of the head to rely more, it sounded here among colleagues, on the public, you can’t focus all the issues on yourself, but i wasn’t born yet, then i would eat all the minds, firstly, secondly, the public is more accepted in the world as a state segment, state bodies do not have the same authority as public associations, so i believe that it is necessary to actively defend the issue... of russia's exclusion from the un security council, especially since they are occupying there illegally, and by the way, ukraine is talking about this, but there is not much to say, they need to convene, they are talking, but how to act, they block every attack on peaceful territories, without exception on the un security council, on the

un general assembly, to show these horrors, and i am convinced that if you hit one or the same point, then there will be a result, but there must be activity and uninterrupted work. allow me, i will only add that in general, it seems to me that after this war there will still be a ukrainian victory, and we, we believe in this, in we have such institutions that simply, they no longer exist, i am convinced, cannot act in the world, why, because they are saturated with russian money, this is a situation about both the un and the red cross. which absolutely does not help ukraine to learn information about our servicemen who are in captivity, it does not affect practically anything, in many cases, unfortunately, there are facts when the ukrainian side states that the red cross does worse than there may

be a catch, that is why these institutions are what they are, and that they are really no longer responsible to the requirements of the times, as discredited structures, i believe that... it should be, but it should not be only from the side of ukraine, because ukraine should provide facts so that other countries understand and support this situation. in fact , this is a tradition that europe has become accustomed to, they don't always want to take these drastic steps because they are afraid that one thing will lead to another, but these are things that are not reversible, because today's situation in ukraine shows that they just deliberately those people. which, for example, could be there, which could show the truth in life, they are simply not there, and indeed, the great influence of russian money is felt everywhere, and - even now we have to talk about the situation that may arise with the nearest elections in the same moldova, etc., that is, for well, what

is happening is to spread ukraine there as much as possible, we understand, we have hungary, which means we are strengthening the ukrainian diaspora in that hungary that informs. about this situation, about the real state of affairs, because i am convinced that the same orban, sooner or later it doesn't matter, he already shows an example of that hungary does not support him, because their positions have fallen, but you understand, we are not you, it is not important to us what will happen to him in two or three years, because it is important to us that, what we have today, sir, i wanted i would add, regarding such an intensity. diplomacy as a whole, mr. mogrysk said that it is very important to have a defined and drawn up plan of action, we can now walk the streets, even ask the citizens of ukraine, what is victory or the end of the war for us, there is no single vector or understanding, what the front

entails, the end of the war, word peace, well, what about the very concept of peace , levko lukyanenko once said categorically. aptly expressed this, and we really need this intensive diplomacy, with the efforts of the government, the state, the public sector, all possible, including ambassadors, who can be an efficient ambassador in paris one hundred percent, we really need it, i saw representatives of the osce mission at line at the front in 14-15 years, i saw these tired faces at gas stations, and it was a very sad sight. in 2016, i had a short internship at the european parliament, and i

i saw the level of this communication, building mutual relations between different members of the european parliament and factions, and if ukrainian society. for quite a long time idealized the eu or the european parliament as crystal clear and extremely critical of its own, it is somewhat eye-opening. i bring it all to... the red cross, everything, everything else that has been said, i support, i bring it all together to the fact that ah, only international law that exists today, uh, will not allow us, lead these intense, uh, self-protective and offensive to indifference, or feeling. indifference to ours, our

european partners, we each have and are obliged to make these intensive efforts in order to survive, not giving rest, neither to the united states of america, nor to the countries of the european space, because not all, on happiness in them of them are in the eu, in relation. the usa is a separate, separate story in general, and it should begin and end, in my subjective opinion, with the fact that our dialogue, discussion, efforts should be equal aimed, as has already been said here, at both republicans and democrats, because in fact we should not care who they elect as president for... our interests are important, mr. pozniuk, i want to add briefly, i agree

with the previous speakers, see , a bunch of international documents, starting with the infamous budapest memorandum, ending with resolutions and decisions of the un, which russia simply spits on, and what kind of negotiations we can be talking about, it just doesn't care about all the agreements, and again... it will attack, except that's right, we already see the soviets without the un, it's a swiss commission, and to drag russia to the peace summit with our own hands, to further legitimize the terrorist in the eyes of the international community, well, that will also be a shot in the foot, and we're not like that either we can allow, so really our diplomacy, i think, should become more... i agree correctly, every

hit on radbes, well, every case on randbes, another institution, only when this, you know, as my commander, lieutenant colonel, says udovchenko, matter changes in time, by the method of filling the space of information, when this information fills up enough. there will be no doubt that look, here, here, here are the facts, here, here, here they did not fulfill, here they hit the peaceful population, the population, here are the victims, then it will work, then these contacts will be closed and it will become clear to everyone that it is necessary to make this country a goy, that it is necessary to save ukraine, which is really an outpost, well, estonia is right in saying that if it attacked us, we would... in a couple of days, yes, the same scale, what am i saying , the other scale of this one, the other, the other scale, but we

we fight everyone, everyone protects us even more and limits and they say let's put them at the peace summit in the same row with all the normal ones, well, they can't sit in the same row with the normal ones, there is such an opinion, it can often be heard from especially the military , but here mr. yurchyshyn mentioned it, it turns out that by declaring that we ourselves want... peace and we are ready to talk, we seem to be assuring our partners that we don't want this war, we are ready to make any concessions, but on the other hand, if russia continues to do things to destroy us, don't we look weak in this case, we don't look weak, we offer our conditions, actually, we are not talking about concessions in principle, that is, if you read 10 points, it is not a detailed plan, but... but there are no concessions, there is a clear fixation of our positions,

and it is necessary to negotiate from such positions, in principle, i am convinced that russia will not go to any global peace summits, because in fact , in this way, they recognize themselves as an aggressor, they do not recognize this, but someone squeeze us so that we invite, the initiators definitely not, of course you should play with such a vile enemy only when you have a strong position and when you have a strong coalition that... will force him to fulfill his obligations, do we now have other international organizations, we we don't have, or should we use the mechanisms that exist, we definitely have, we don't have the luxury of not using, for example, the access of the red cross to our prisoners, but we definitely have to record and

present every inadmissibility, and i agree here that our the position should be as offensive as possible, we, morally and values, a country that defends itself, defends not only itself, our soldiers, our boys and girls, defend the whole free world, and therefore the free world should not tell us, well, look, guys, well, sit down, talk, maybe you will figure it out somehow, uh, because this is coercion, i apologize, and the victim of a crime, going to negotiate with a criminal, does not work like that, but in order for us to have this strong position, it is very important for us to constantly put pressure on all platforms, using all opportunities, and what russia has to pay, and now we we are talking about the legal side, the issue of the economic side. we have a huge number of facts when our partners, smiling in our faces, continue

to cooperate with the aggressor country. i want to remind you that our ukrainian journalists are not polish. europeans noticed that poland continues to trade with russia, and only then, until then, our very close partners, the poles, whom i respect immensely, only then initiated and banned such actions, that is, we definitely do not have to be victims, we are not the victim, we, first of all those who fight, of course, i'm talking about them, the heroes who defend not only themselves, and we need that, i'm sorry ... chat in every window, and is it easy for the world to abandon the parity that was created after the second world war? no, it is not easy, because everyone is comfortable, everyone is good when russia, russian agents fill international structures, because russia brings money with it, and not like the americans , official money, but banal cash, banal

europeans appoint their representation agents as their of schrüder's time at gazprom, and it is not. who doesn't burn, the germans start began to mature only when they had an alternative for germany and the left, at the expense of russia, began to tear this country apart . ukraine, so that ukraine does not lose, but will help just enough so that ukraine and democracy win, and... therefore, this is not the moment to show that we are weak without ourselves, we do not have the opportunity to be weak, we have to dictate the conditions, but really for this we need find all possibilities and not working, unfortunately, international law, although, again, we already have the first sentence in crimea, and there will be even more, and we need to press, and all government decisions on the admission of guilt and the arrest

of representatives of the russians themselves. power, it looks weak to us, but these are the pebbles from which we can build the wall from which it will be possible to fire at russia in principle and fire effectively, but returning, our victory is in our hands, and we must have a strong defense industry, in we should be diplomacy not on the principle of sending for the border of those with whom we are comfortable communicating, those who will not, well, that is, those who are only there. according to the instructions, the time has passed, it is necessary to send those who are there, who can achieve the result, and then no one will force us to do anything. mykola knyazhytskyi, if we return to the peace summit, well, for me, the very idea from the very beginning was not fully understood, as i predict, we initiated it when we hoped for a successful counteroffensive and such a large capitulation of russia. unfortunately, our western

partners did not fully support us in this counteroffensive, it was not the way we planned, but all this work... was going on and russia just wanted to take advantage of this situation, ukraine wanted to unite as many countries as possible, and russia and china began to influence various countries to go there did not come to show that our support is decreasing, and then our western partners intervened in this situation, and the germans also worked, and the poles worked, not only our government officials, sat and called all the countries that should come there, and so enough arrived many countries, i believe that this is definitely an image success for ukraine. many countries supported us, but less than could support us. another thing is, if you look at the resolution of this summit, this resolution is very soft, what is it about, not to use nuclear weapons, exchange of prisoners, that is, it is not there. it is much faster than those resolutions that were voted by the un with a much larger number of votes, and when you read the resolution, it seems that it is a step back, why did it arise, i am absolutely

convinced that ukraine wanted to drag china there to the end, because ukraine, we we live in the illusion that china can somehow help us influence russia and achieve peace, and all the time our officials, both presidents and people from the president's office, talk about it all the time, china is not interested in any of our victories and any of our peace , china is interested. to have russia as a vassal, to have us as a vassal under russia together with belarus and to dictate a different world order, because if we win, then we are still a sphere of influence, values ​​and alliance with the western world, which is an enemy for china, so here it seems to me, a big mistake was made, we finally have to say, there are our allies, these are democratic countries, there are our enemies, these are authoritarian countries, we have to negotiate with... cooperate with allies, integrate into the eu and nato, build democracy and not hope for no support from the authoritarian belt, because they are not interested in

democracy winning in the world and are interested in redistributing the world. all that we are talking about now is very important, and indeed the support of our partners, it is extremely important for us, but the processes that are happening to us in the state, they also do not leave us completely indifferent, and we must address this. attention, and when we think about it and talk about it, including with the military, we also touched on this topic with mr. poznik today, it is very scary that some kind of rollback may take place, that we will not be able to completely eradicate the moscow patriarchy from of ukraine, that the opposition platform will in some way be reborn during its lifetime and will continue to go to power, and it will continue to be in the parliament in one form or another, and an important story... we are the last one we want to talk about because it concerns us, journalists, we were just shocked, surprised when we showed the story where the residents of one of the buildings, they have

privatized apartments, and they are now through the courts insist that the territory of stairwells, basements and attics is a common area of ​​use, and the lviv court of appeals makes a decision that, in fact, this common area is not common, but is... the property of only individual owners of apartments, and when journalists on this topic became interested, showed this story, then the judges addressed the fact that they, they say, declare that journalists are putting pressure on them, that is , by covering the activities of journalists and judges, we are putting pressure on them in this way. let's watch a short episode about this topic, and then we'll come back to it, the city center, mickiewicz eight, the so-called house of the book, everyone who... has been to lviv, lives in lviv, knows where it is, look, in which the condition of the stairs, and we, according to this court decision , cannot use them, well, it can be

soon in every house in lviv. the attic is black and gray, but it will not be possible to repair it from now on, because it is a private area. look at the condition of the attic, and we, er, cannot repair it, and below are our apartments, there is a leak, and we are in need of repairs. but we can't even enter anything, because it's private property, and the military is most worried that one day they simply won't be able to get home. it is necessary to do everything so that our military can fight, hold this front, and rest, as, for example, a military man who came home for those few days has, because many days military men are not allowed to rest, he came home for a few days and, for example, someone took, privatized the stairwell and... closed it entrance and the question of how to get home in such a case, where to turn to the military in such a case, and not only the military, civilians, all other people, when you come conditionally and cannot

get to your apartment, because the area is privatized. one can only guess why the judges stated that the stairwell, the attic and basement should not belong to all residents, because this is grossly contrary to the law. the result of the case in the western. the commercial court refused to comment, so activists and soldiers who disagreed with the judges' decision gathered at the institution. in the end, only one judge from the panel, borys plotnitskyi, dared to leave. please tell me, did anyone influence your decision? no, i did not influence, if you did not influence, then are you ready to take a polygraph before this decision, you were not influenced by anyone, what is being done to you, why are you asking such questions, rude? well, these are not rude questions, they are rude questions. we honestly accepted, let 's all now, dear, let's all go to the polygraph, let's go, let's go, you're ready, you 're ready to go to the polygraph, how did you get there, yes, of course, i'm ready to pass any

polygraph. no, are you ready? no, well, if you 're not ready? why do i need the polygraph? are you not ready to pass the polygraph? any, ready? so, are you ready to take a polygraph on this case? so why should i go on about this case. and judge borys plotnitskyi got into zmi because of real estate on occupied territories. he is a co-owner of an apartment in valushta, as well as real estate and a plot of land in donetsk region. in the 23rd year, plotnitsky bought an apartment for 800,000. uah car for uah 740,000 and declared uah 1,7000 in cash. a little later , the judge openly lied, as if the activists threatened him that they would force him to take a polygraph. this became known during a briefing, which was suddenly convened by the western commercial court of appeal, but the journalists of the nta tv channel were not even warned about the event. mykhailo

trityak. is in our studio, a volunteer, a public figure, that is exactly the kind of person who is provocative, as the judge said, you ask him questions and suggestions, and mr. mykhailo, tell me a little more, that is, in these apartments that are in this building, military personnel who come to lviv for some kind of rest can live , that is, the public organization gave these apartments to the use of the military, look, a little bit of history so that the audience understands what the point is, er, in general, it's my organization... we are engaged in the training of the military, er, oh, i remember , you see, though they say that over the years our memory weakens, but i am attentive and remember everything, we take the memo effect from dr. tice and feel the difference. the active substances of memoefect improve the functioning of the nervous system and contribute to the normalization of mental activity. the memo effect from dr. tys improves memory and attention, helps to think. there are discounts

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