in ukraine we remember this, and you managed to stop the crimes of the serbian fascists who were under the arms of milosevic, but on the other hand, there were no nuclear weapons involved, if we talk about the seriousness of putin's intentions, how far do you think things can go and whether you feel the readiness of the euro-atlantic community to fulfill its obligations if, for example, putin starts one or another form of aggression against one or another. nato member states, whether it will be estonia, whether it will be lithuania, or whether it will be poland. conflicts can be resolved in two ways, one of them is the achievement of dominance escalation. when your adversary recognizes the hopelessness of his position, and it seems that's how we fought the serbs in 1999. milosevic was a rational man, but he was also somewhat exhausted by five years.

war his resources also went to zero after he faced multiple pressures. milosevic made the mistake of trying to end kosovo. he hoped that nato's position would be influenced by the fact that kosovo was part of serbia. however, having assumed concrete obligations, the alliance is no longer could retreat. milosevic misinterpreted the political calculation at the highest level. levels in nato. we then started with airstrikes, which could turn into a ground invasion of kosovo and possibly serbia. as soon as milosevic realized this, he compromised and withdrew his troops. the situation in ukraine is distinguished by a nuclear component, however, this trump card is not only in the hands of russia, because the usa, france and great britain also have nuclear weapons. they swing whether

putin should recognize the nuclear potential of the other side with a nuclear card. if he declares that wants to go to the end, he must remember what happened to adolf hitler. let's not be satisfied with putin's fantastic idea that he is ready to go to vabank, sacrificing his mother russia. putin, like every leader who leads a war, wants to win and is ready to sacrifice his forces. only to a certain extent. even hitler in 1945 was looking for a way out, hoping to save germany. he was not ready to fight to the end until that end became a reality for him. so putin must understand that there are none reasons for continuing this war. they weren't there from the beginning. ukraine has never been a military threat to russia. the people

of ukraine simply wanted to be able to choose their own path. if putin had a clear head and understood the schedule of the 21st century, ukraine and russia would be partners today. instead, he chose a false path based on false history and the allure of russian imperialism, which has no place in the 21st century. nato leaders are fine. understand, and that is why they are meeting at 75 this year anniversary of the alliance. democratic countries were never in a hurry to intervene, even in kosovo, the conflict lasted for years. before nato began to act. in the case of ukraine, full-scale war has been going on for more than two years, and the west continues to watch the action. but this is no reason for putin to believe that the west. got tired the heroism

of the ukrainian people, their incredible technological competence, innovativeness and determination to set their own course in europe as an independent state and democracy are admired by the whole world and the west. however, the burden of navigating the path to success rests primarily on the shoulders of ukraine. this means that ukraine needs a concept of victory, they say. and about the military concept, and about the political concept that would determine certain requirements. this concept must be approved and supported by western partners, in order to ensure the fulfillment of these requirements. dear mr. general clark, we understand that this war is not just a war. putin describes it as an existential war, and literally a couple of weeks ago, when putin had the opportunity to remain silent, no, he publicly rolled out in...

ultimatum, when he said that there can be no talks about anything and began to demand the withdrawal of our ukrainian troops from our ukrainian territories, this is putin's position, and you understand... that they are heating up the concept of an existential war, and we understand that putin is ready to pay its price, at the same time, on the other hand, we understand that the russian army has shown nothing except the willingness to sacrifice its soldiers, that is , they have not offered anything particularly new on the battlefield, and when we talk about the peace formula, i completely agree with you, must be the clear position of the west is confirmed by resources, and if... we talk about military goals, what do you think putin would like to achieve, because it was not for nothing that he met with the north korean dictator kim jong-un. yes, putin is starting to hysterically look for countries where he can add gasoline to the fire. by addressing north

korea, china and iran, putin is making a huge mistake. this coalition will only further alienate the west and the interns. analyzes ukraine's struggle to repel russian aggression, stimulating western countries to provide even more aid to ukraine, this is a big mistake on his part. ukraine must do what it must. when british troops were pushed out of france in 1940, prime minister churchill made an incredible statement. he said: we will fight them on the beaches, we will. we will never, never, never surrender, that was british determination. churchill did not have an american ally at the time, as america was not yet at war, these were scary times for britain.

the country was being bombed, and its fighters were not enough to prevent airstrikes. you can draw many historical... parallels, this is a historical moment for the truth of the ukrainian state, this is a test of weapons, and this struggle can make ukraine a powerful and leading state on the world stage. dear mr. general, we understand that the current situation can change rapidly in the fall. there will be elections in the united states, and we don't know, in ukraine, to be honest, what should we expect from donald trump, right? we also don't know what to expect from his team. but in any case it gives very different signals, and these signals sometimes scare me because that they are too primitive, that is, if you believe the former advisers of trump, yes, who spoke today about how trump would conduct certain negotiations with kiev and with moscow, this is what

really worries us, we understand that putin is also in the kremlin , putin's analysts, are counting on certain events this fall, and we in ukraine are extremely ... living on this occasion. before turning to the political situation in the united states, i want to say something to the ukrainian soldiers and their families. many of us in the west observe that is happening in ukraine, and our hearts are with you. we greatly admire your courage and what you are doing. we understand what it's like to be in the dark, the cold, the dirt. we also went through it, not in your circumstances and not in such realities, but... but we know how difficult it is for you. our hearts beat in time with yours. we admire your dedication, patriotism and self-sacrifice. i also want to say that those of us in the west who have been following the war closely admire the flexibility and speed of response to the invasion in

the kharkiv area that general syrskyi and the leadership of ukraine. russia counted on the fact that it would be able to break through and capture kharkiv, but the lightning reaction of the powerful. education, as well as the self-sacrifice of the soldiers, did not allow this to happen. winning a war requires good leadership at the highest level, as well as strong will and determination at all levels. in my opinion, the flexibility demonstrated in the response to the invasions in kharkiv and sumy shows good top management. as for the us presidential election, we cannot predict what the outcome will be. struggle will be avid, because everything depends on how many americans. votes, it is important that the issue of foreign policy is not given much attention during the election campaign, usually the focus is on domestic issues such as the price of petrol, inflation, the cost of food and the unemployment rate, meaning that there is a lot of talk about everyday

things rather than complex matter of foreign policy. when trump talks about what he is going to do in ukraine, i think he is expecting putin's support in this way. he wants more help from russia to win elections. however, my friends from the republican party firmly support ukraine and have no intention of giving up theirs. in the event that trump is elected president, therefore, you should not worry about his statements, you just need to understand who he is addressing when he delivers his speeches. in 2016, during a debate with hillary clinton, or during one of his speeches, trump said: "russia, if you hear me, he knows that russia played an important role in him becoming president, and that's why he wants to get her support again." the skill and character of ukraine itself will determine the further development of events. if

president zelenskyi and others say that they are not going to negotiate or give up their territory, then it will be so. trump will not be able to that's why i wouldn't worry so much about our elections. instead , focus on building up your forces, preparing for the winter , and working on the concept victory just so you understand, the concept of victory is not just a few soldiers standing near a board with a map. it requires sincere devotion to its people, but i believe that there is a way to win, and i believe that ukraine can do it. mr. general clark, finally, i would like to ask for your advice, perhaps we could address it to one of the ukrainian generals, perhaps the head of... the chief of the armed forces of ukraine, perhaps to colonel general oleksandr syrskyi, what in your opinion

would be worthwhile to do, what would be worth paying attention to attention? oh, i can't answer that question, that is, i can't give that advice, especially in public. being the supreme commander that general syrsky is is an extremely important mission. you are bombarded with advice, information and pressure from everywhere, you can't even imagine what it's like to be in his shoes. it is up to him to make all the important decisions and do everything correctly, whether he acts correctly, only time will tell, often the results need to be waited for not a day, not two or even a month. this is in the vicinity of kharkiv, we observed an instant result, and in general this a long-term struggle that, unfortunately, will not end in one, two or three months. it was the same with great britain. there were hopes that the war would end a few weeks later. in 1940, or when the allies

crossed the english channel in 1944, but it didn't happen because wars don't end quickly, that's why you have to tighten your belts, roll up your sleeves, recognize that it's an existential struggle and move forward only to victory, and why in your opinion, putin did not open the northern bridgehead when we are talking about... the republic of belarus, yes because it is an extremely serious threat, but there is a feeling that putin is afraid of it. putin is determined to leave a deep mark on history, which is why he can be relentless. however, the forces that will determine the result come from the heart. the heart of the ukrainian people beats more and more. after centuries of struggle, after the disappointments of 1918. after the problems of the 20th century. revolutions of the loss of crimea in 2014. all this is part of the evolutionary process of the struggle for

its formation. success comes to those who persevere. this is what it is the challenge now faces ukraine. unfortunately, i have to end our conversation to our viewers. i would like to remind you that the legendary american general wesley clark, the former commander of the american euro-atlantic contingent on... events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives, of course, the news feed reports about them, but not many know, what is happening must be understood. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly evaluate events, analyze them, modeling our future, every saturday at 1:10 p.m., from repeat on sunday at 10:10. in the studio. i went to espresso with anton borkovsky.

andriy pionkovskyi, a famous political scientist who is in washington, will be working on the air of the tv channel now. glory to ukraine andriy andreyovych, glad to see you. glory to yaroya. good afternoon, anton. well, a very important story is what the position of the united states will be when we talk about giving us long-term aid. a couple of minutes ago i was talking to someone. the commander of the euro-atlantic contingent on the european continent, general wesley clark, and he assured that the position of the united states will continue, so the aid will be three'. no matter what, there is another factor called donald trump and his advisers, who voiced rather strange, so to speak, methodologies that trump may use in the near future, in particular to put pressure on moscow as well, but worst of all, that and to kyiv. your word, andriy andriyovych. general

clark is right, there is a conceptual revolution in the usa, which was carried out by the regent. wing of the republican party, its three prominent leaders: heads of committees from of defense, foreign affairs, and intelligence, michael mccaul, mike rogers, and mike turner, first, overcame the trumpists' opposition to laws to help ukraine. moreover, they criticized the biden administration for insufficient support for ukraine. this is a serious blow to putin's agency in... because of this revolution , a bipartisan pro-ukrainian majority was formed in both houses of congress, according to the results of the latest votes, we see that in the senate it is 80 against 20 senators, 50 democrats and 30 republicans, and in the house it is 370 against 60, i

this majority will not change. there is also the supreme commander of the armed forces of the united states of america, and we also understand that in europe they are extremely worried, in particular about what may happen in the next few months, so we do not venture to predict, because you know, the american elections are a thankless business, that is, their analysis and futurology for that matter, but, but, but. first, the supreme commander you are referring to has yet to reach the oval office. secondly, the usa is democratic a state in which congress plays a decisive role in matters of war and peace. and thirdly, i believe that the revolution that took place in the usa and europe, which was carried out by macron, had an influence. now the leaders of the usa and the congress and the leaders of europe set themselves the task, not just to avoid the defeat of ukraine, as the biden

administration did, but to inflict a defeat on russia. they understand that this. a defeat must be inflicted to be sure of the full result by january 21, 2025. when the new president comes to the oval office, so that it doesn't happen anymore no doubt. and this is what all the latest actions are working on. we see how all the red lines are being erased before our eyes. the usa allowed attacks from the longest range, removed the restrictions on the range of russian-style strikes. and here is yesterday's sensation. the entire american press says that the biden administration continues to resist, but more and more sources say that under pressure from the republicans, it will be forced to accept such a formula. yes, biden, as before, is against sending american armed forces to ukraine, unlike macron and his

allies. but it does not rule out that the companies that supplied the weapons were directed. its personnel to maintain these weapons, that is, it is the same, in fact, that europe is going to do, to provide not only missiles and aircraft, but also technical personnel who maintain these missiles and aircraft. in one sentence, macron destroyed the multi-year, ten-year nuclear blackmail of putin, saying that french military personnel are already participating in the military conflict on the territory of ukraine. they already service our missiles. i and is ready to send even more technical specialists and is ready to provide french aircraft to ukraine. all this shows that the west really has a serious intention to defeat russia. and he understands the threat that trump represents. putin also understood this.

mind you, he's not threatening nuclear weapons right now. he understood. that these are empty threats that have already caused outrage within his so- called z-patriotic community. we see with confusion in the debates on the propaganda channels, we already hear complaints: the tsar is not real. the king did not live up to expectations. france has already declared war on us, is sending its troops, but we cannot launch a nuclear attack on france. but andrii andriyovych, i would ask you right away, without leaving far, so to speak. of our intellectual treasury to explain why putin rolled out his ultimatum, that is, an irrational ultimatum, he made it publicly on the eve of the peace summit in switzerland. putin could just remain silent, but he says: no, ukraine must withdraw its troops from its sovereign territories, otherwise i will not talk about anything, that is, putin, in his

it was not clear in my head. great question, i don't agree, it shows that something has cleared up in his head. yes, this is an unprecedented offer in the history of world wars and world history. give me also the territories that i could not have from you. to seize, then i am ready for a truce, no one will seriously consider it, no one will accept it, but look at this ultimatum from the other side, through the eyes of putin's patriotic cattle, which supports it, this is a retreat. putin started the war with an ultimatum to 30 nato countries, gather manatki and get out of here. threatening destruction, he told them on the day war was declared, if only they dared to help the ukrainians. prevent me from destroying ukraine, such catastrophes are waiting for you, which you did not know throughout your thousand-year history, that is, you threatened

with nuclear weapons, now it is clear that this is an empty threat, the west is not afraid of it, and putin is now busy with another issue, so he wanted to become the ruler of the universe, he was sure that kyiv would be in 7 days and that the west would release almost a dolamansha, but now he is... busy others he needs to stay in power in a defeated country. because even his ultimatum is brazen and ridiculous - it is an admission of the defeat of his war plans, which he announced on february 24. now his task is to stay in power. and how to do it? make some kind of agreement that will leave a large part of the territory of ukraine in his hands. so he hopes to sell. to his people, his people and his supporters this decision as an honorable draw. like, that's how i failed to realize our great goal, and he did

already prepared the culprit, due to the fact that the army consists of thieves and traitors. his entire fight against corruption is an attempt to blame the army for failures. trump is essentially proposing the same thing. and i have a simple question. why is trump doing this? look, here's his latest proposal, which you'll start with... the reagan wing of the republican party, which criticizes biden for not supporting ukraine enough and calls for the complete defeat of putin. she does not add a single voter to him, that trump cattle that goes to his rallies and congratulates him, they sneeze. they don't even know what ukraine is and where it is. trump stubbornly continues to save putin. to save his hopeless plan of arrangement for no

apparent political reason. harms his political prospects. this proves what many analysts have been saying: there is some kind of frightening dependence of trump on putin. do you remember that scene after the summit in helsinki, when they talked face to face with trump. for more than an hour, and then they came out to the audience, little, mean, putin with a mocking smile, and completely confused, crushed, huge carcass of trump, i don't know what documents and what arguments putin gave there, but today's trump policy proves it, his attempt to save putin, as you rightly said, a hopeless defeat, no one from the biden administration today for all of ours. .. there will be no complaints against this administration regarding this agreement, especially the europeans. his hope that trump will win the election and save, will bring him salvation, this honorable draw. he went to

north korea, beijing and the united states were also tense. that is, on putin comes out, what can he get out of there, i don't know, a certain amount of artillery ammunition and sell to someone else to his own, so to speak, this or that missile technology, that is , he wouldn't say anything to you, but putin went about it taking into account the fact that the day before, he was literally there for several weeks in beijing with his whole team, this is the strange journey of putin and his cliques to the east. this shows both of his last desperate moves. the task he gave to his agent, trump, was to push the deal through any means to an honorable draw for putin. and his trip to korea. they show the weapon in which he found himself with no way out. by the way, the trip to korea did not excite his senior partner, comrade chas, because he invaded

the inner rear. china's backyard, the sovereign territory of the people's republic of china, yes, that is, the monster that was raised in beijing. it reminds me of something else, you know, the relationship between putin and lukashenka has always been difficult, rather acute, and lukashenka always went to beijing in difficult moments to show putin that he has another sponsor. moscow was terribly annoyed by this, and beijing is also annoyed putin's showdown with north korea. that is, all these desperate steps of putin only worsen his situation. but the scariest thing is his burgeoning zet-patriotic community. sentiments that the king is not real. zet-patriots wonder why putin does not punish france with the same nuclear strikes. but because macron reminded him quite firmly that france is also a nuclear power. this is what i have been saying for three years

on all channels, that putin... was never ready to use nuclear weapons. he knew perfectly well that this was just blackmail for the purpose of intimidation of the event now putin is pouring out other threats. after the attack on sevastopol, they blamed the americans. and they rushed to threaten them quite specifically. crazy mashka zakharova is not a propagandist, she is an official. media has declared that the americans will have a very serious retribution for theirs. well, the patriots are already outraged, where are the nuclear strikes, and now a week later, the same z-patriots are asking putin: where is the retaliation against the usa? he will find himself in a kind of watering hole of not empty threats. previously threatened with nuclear weapons, now explains to his patriots that yes? we are ready to use nuclear weapons, but

not now. there is no need now, there is a conventional war going on and we will win it. yes, well, now they will wait and threaten to strike american satellites, american drones, romanian and polish airfields. where nato planes are already arriving, and which will use them as base airfields for strikes on crimea. but where are putin's blows. 12 putin strikes, a visit to north korea. a visit to vietnam and silence about dagestan, that is, a crisis there is a genre, that is, on the war - it does not affect it yet, but i completely agree with you, i think that in the intra-fascist environment more and more questions appear, that is, what should they do, they do not see any strategic perspective, not that there i don't know how to win, but how to survive in the situation into which putin is dragging them deeper and deeper. this is a

cornered rat. pay attention to the new circumstance of the caucasian-islamic-fascist rebellions. the main composition of these terrorists is the golden youth of dagestan. these are the children, two sons, other relatives of the leader of the united party russia in dagestan. head of the region. these organizations are associated with the national hero of dagestan. they have wrestling without rules, all those schools of wrestling without rules are showing up. due to their position, the same golden youth of the elite of dagestan oppose the russian government, they do not arouse any sympathy in me, but when a frog competes with a viper, we only welcome such a phenomenon, but the question is why he

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