drones and we will communicate with the military, greetings to all viewers of espresso, i am anaeva melnyk and this is news. the russians killed 11 residents of donetsk region in one day, another 43 people were wounded, five died and 15 were injured in silidovo. in the evening, the enemy dropped two guided aerial bombs on one of the enterprises, said the head of the region, vadym filashkin. 21 private houses, 21 cars, three administrative buildings and four shops were also damaged. in addition, three people died in chasovoy yar. half of it has three high-rise buildings and five private houses. in

the russians killed one person in turkey, wounded three more, destroyed a house, an administrative building and an infrastructure object, and one more person each died in the city of ukrainian and in the village of komar. there are also 18 wounded in the latter, one victim each in druzhba, ivanovka, peresbudo and sloviansk. at night, the muscovites attacked ukraine with 27 shaheds, only three of them failed to destroy ours. guardians of the sky. it was reported in the air force that the air defense system worked in dnipropetrovsk, poltava, zaporizhzhia, kherson, kharkiv, donetsk, sumy, chernihiv, vinnytsia, kyiv, kirovohrad and mykolaiv regions. the russians launched drones from the temporarily occupied crimea and the kursk region. the enemy killed one person in the kherson region, five more were wounded. a 35-year-old resident of khreschenivka was killed. the enemy

shelled the village with artillery, and the occupiers also dropped explosives from a drone on a car in stanislav. a 74-year-old man received explosive and craniocerebral injuries, as well as a contusion. after the arrival of the medics, the occupiers struck again with a targeted drone, the head of the region oleksandr said prokudin the paramedic has moderate injuries . during the day, the russians shelled 18 settlements in the region. enemy shells hit the object. of critical infrastructure and a gas pipeline, eight private houses, an outbuilding, a warehouse, garages and an ambulance were damaged. russia announced a drone attack on the krasnodar region. allegedly, the air defense forces worked in three areas: in yeysk, a cell tower was damaged due to the fall of the uav debris, and in the village of pavlovska, a fire allegedly broke out at an oil tank, due to the fall of the debris, a fire broke out fuel tanks... one more

fuel tank is on fire in the leningradsky station - reported the operational headquarters of the krasnodar territory. they say there are no victims. next, operational information from the frontline from the general staff of the zso. 139 combat clashes took place at the front during the day. most of all, further on in the pokrovsky direction, our defenders repelled 45 attacks by the occupiers. most of them are near novooleksandrivka and novosel. the first 18 times the russians, with the support of airstrikes , tried to storm our positions near turkey, northern and new york. 10 times went on the attack in the kramatorsk direction. in kharkiv oblast, eight combat clashes took place near vovchansk hlyboky, staritsa and lyptsi. our aviation, missile forces and artillery hit two artillery systems, an ammunition depot, the rep station, six areas where russian personnel were concentrated, and another important object of the occupiers. another 1260 occupiers

felt the kiss of death, they were destroyed by the defense forces on the international day of the kiss, and since the beginning of the russian invasion, our defenders have eliminated more than 549 thousand invaders, also, the armed forces turned into scrap metal, 11 tanks, 18 armored fighting vehicles and 66 enemy artists. 76 cars and six units will no longer serve the russians. special equipment, the general staff reminds, the data are indicative. ukraine is preparing an unprecedented agreement with great britain for a period of 100 years, volodymyr zelenskyi said after a telephone conversation with kir starmer. the president of ukraine congratulated him on his victory in the elections and appointment to the post of prime minister of great britain. starmer assured that the support of our state is not will change the leaders also coordinated positions before the nato summit and discussed about.

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, i, artem logotenko, am with you in the studio, and we will talk about ukrainian civilians held captive by the russian federation, as well as the fate of political prisoners after their return from polonia. with me in the studio , we will talk about this topic with olga skrypnyk, the head of the board of the crimean human rights group. i congratulate you, mrs. oleha. good day. and also with us in the studio will be akhtem cheygos, ex. political prisoner, people's deputy and first deputy chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on human rights before the occupation and reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine. mr. artem, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. i want to start our

conversation by understanding how many ukrainian civilians are in general prisoners of the russian federation. upon confirmation. according to official data, it is about almost 1,700 people, but some public organizations say that this figure reaches 60,000. mrs. ogliu, well, actually. to begin with, i would like to ask you how it is possible to determine the number of ukrainian civilians who are captives in the occupied territories, the main problem, if we are talking about the determined numbers, is that russia does not report these numbers in principle, it does not confirm them, it generally does not admit that it is keeping civilians, that is why there is such a big difference in numbers, some of them are based, for example, on the register of missing persons, of which there are already more than 30,000, and this is only about civilians, and it is clear that a significant part of... it is prisoners, in principle, the last figures that were named by the same

coordination headquarters, were about the fact that we are talking about civilian prisoners can reach 20 thousand people who are in various places of detention, well, it is clear that it is illegal, that is, in fact, these are people who were kidnapped, that is why there is such a difference in numbers, and every public the organization has its own certain registers, who works yes with these territories, like our, for example, the crimean human rights group, but we document only what can be at least somehow confirmed, and we see. that, for example, when the occupiers even take our people kidnapped from the crimea to crimea, many of them are in the stage, let's say, in this status of incommunicado, russia does not confirm them neither to the ukrainian side, nor to their families, nor to the red cross there , any international organizations, so actually you and i will not be able to name a final figure, because in in principle, russia simply hides this figure. mr. akhtem, here is a question for you, what to do with this, how should we increase the number of our prisoners. civilians, it is necessary to continue everything that has been done for so many years, because, as

correctly said, it is impossible to monitor every person there, there are tens of thousands of people, and many of them we do not know and cannot monitor, it also depends on the the civilians themselves, who got into this or that situation and... in addition, of course, there are those who try to take advantage of this situation, ee, there are not enough, let's say, in er, enough there, let's say, reasons to be considered there, it's our political connections, or...

what about the state? the state, it works according to a specific scheme, that is, there is a specific person, there are specific data, and it records them, well, it is impossible to apply any mechanisms, i recently heard a story, now i will check as much as i can, we have a commission. which recognizes those or others as political prisoners so that

the state can help, yes, and there are some , as i was told that some services give there are thousands of lists, i am... i just heard about it now, but i will check it like this, so for now we will assume that this is not illegal information, that is, there are also such and such points in this matter, i would say where it is not so easy to clearly define this or that person as a prisoner or a prisoner.

actually, ms. olga, you have been dealing with this topic for quite some time, and as far as i know, you also talk about the fact that it is very difficult to determine and prove to a person that he was in captivity, and allegedly sometimes there are cases when a person trying to pretend she was in captivity to get some kind of compensation. is it possible... to comment on mr. akhtem's words now, well, i'll start by saying that we've really had this problem since the 14th year, actually, when crimea was occupied and when the occupation of donbas began, if in crimea exactly... at least some documents people could find through there the same criminal cases of the russian federation or illegally created courts, i.e. there were some verdicts there that we do not recognize, but this is confirmation, then the situation significantly worsened for civilians, especially after the 22nd year, because we have a part of the newly occupied territories, where, in principle, the russian federation now seems to have built some kind of judicial system there, but for the most part civilians,

when they are caught, they do not provide any documents that can to confirm, that is , we are talking about the fact that when people are kept in... they are tortured, abused, raped, it is clear that the russians will not write a certificate about this and will not hand it over to a person, so the problem is that if it is confirmed prisoner, you still need to provide at least something to confirm it, those who, for example, have convictions or some criminal cases, they provide at least these documents, and this is enough to confirm, but still the majority who apply, they really get this status, we are talking about the commission that establishes the fact of deprivation of liberty as a result of... russian aggression, it has existed for many years, but since the 22nd year it was restarted, because the relevant law came into full force , which guarantees protection just such people, deprived of their freedom as part of the aggression, and i am actually a member of the commission, but not from the state, but from public organizations, we have four public organizations there, which work in the same way as we do, directly collecting information as much as possible in the occupied territories , all state

bodies, and it is the commission that establishes all this information, so for the most part we have positive decisions. in terms of the fact that, for the most part, the commission confirms just the opposite, but it must be understood that not only civilians apply to this commission, but also prisoners of war, the commission considers the same ones, why, because our law defines several categories, the first is prisoners of war, they have the right to also establish this fact of deprivation of liberty, to receive appropriate assistance from the state, and civilians, as regards civilians, we have two groups, the first, which mr. akhtem just mentioned, is political prisoners, as it often happens, they are called, but these are people who... precisely as a result of their activities, for their activities, journalists, human rights defenders , for example, there are people who collected some information about violations of people's rights and so on, or, for example, these are crimean tatar activists, members of the crimean tatar people's mejlis, and that's why they were imprisoned, that's what we call them, usually in the media, as political prisoners, that one subcategory is civilian, the second is in general, in principle,

what is currently obscured especially in the newly occupied territories, these are any civilians that the russian federation grabs for... to force either this person, or, for example, the state, or some bodies to take some actions, well that is, by in fact, this is when they grab our people, torture them there for their connections with the armed forces of ukraine, or with the sbu, and so on, demand to admit something, or in general encourage ukraine, for example, well, in the future it may be an incentive for negotiations, yes , certain exchanges, something else, that is, we are dealing with a terrorist state, and the russian federation can easily arrest people and increase these lists for some of its own. uh, the desires she has are usually what always harm us, so we have to understand that we have just these thousands and thousands of people, and it is very difficult for some of them, even after release from captivity, to get at least some documents that can confirm this, that is why it is actually so important, if we talk about what the state can do, this is the security service of ukraine, they are as much as possible are trying to investigate and collect

information, including on the occupied territories, so we advise everyone to submit their appeal, both relatives of those who have someone... held captive, and those who have appealed from captivity, to contact the security service, they work fine, they really do they are interrogated, that is, it is not some kind of interrogation, but it is terrible, i understand, people have survived captivity and it is very difficult for them to go back to some authorities there and testify about something, but the security service of ukraine usually helps in this regard, on the contrary, they have information on other people , they can check with other witnesses and so on and so on, it is the same thing as contacting the national police, for example, from my experience, including work in the commission, i can say that, for example, kherson... region, after how kherson and another were released part, yes, our armed forces of ukraine, investigators are very actively working there, and they are really trying to find out who, where, in which torture chamber sat, and that is why when you contact the national police, even if it is difficult for you to find how a person who was in the captivity of confirmation, then other people were already interviewed, they could see you, they can confirm it and so on, so there really is a certain

percentage of people who apply to the commission, but cannot simply provide anything at all, and then the commission asks to collect... more information can be applied again, and in principle , the number of times you can apply is unlimited. it often happens that people who just heard about it, just contacted, wrote, wrote, for example, just an empty statement, just recognize me as a prisoner, yes, but no documents, no explanation were provided, then in principle public organizations contact , or the ministry of integration, explains: please expand your application, submit something more, people apply again and again and again and more rarely you can meet other cases that i i think... what mr. ehtem mentioned is that people sometimes try to take advantage of this situation, knowing that a finding of deprivation of liberty also provides an opportunity to receive financial assistance. we are talking about the payment of uah 100,00 once a year, and therefore sometimes it happens that people really apply and write about the fact that they were, as it were, in captivity, but in fact there are no confirmations, neither

public organizations, nor law enforcement agencies, and the person, no one was able to confirm this, i think that there are still such cases from what i see even in practice the work of the commission, they are minimal, but we understand that the longer the war lasts, the more such people may be, precisely because when the commission says that we need at least some... information about confirmation of capture, it is precisely in order to to establish whether a person was really in captivity, because there may still be cases when a person simply wants to take advantage of the situation, although he himself was not in captivity. mr. akhtem, i also wanted to ask you, as a former political prisoner and as a representative of the profile committee, what you could give advice to loved ones of captured ukrainian civilians, what they should do in order to... then it would be easier to prove that their loved ones are in captivity, more, i think,

the main thing is to use informational opportunities, i.e. not always with relatives, with relatives there are the opportunity to document it is to take these pieces of paper in hand and then. to publicize, but when a person gets caught, there is such a factor, first, the first term, there is time, relatives try not to say anything at all, yes, and probably it will go like that, uh, that's why it doesn't go like that, and you have to give publicity, and then here, and public organizations, first of all, they... are starting to work on this information, yes, and in my opinion, this is such a fast, single tool all these 10 years, but

what about what we say about the sbu or others of ours there , the police, or other institutions, they are still included in this one after some time. work and they rely more on some facts, documents, but they appear much later, yes, or do not appear at all, so i still advise all relatives to contact our public associations, because it is more effective and the most important thing is that you can say everything that you cannot say. at that moment, officially, it is a human factor, but it must be taken into account. on june 28

, 10 ukrainian civilians were freed from russian captivity, among them two priests of the greek catholic church, art connoisseur olena peh and the deputy head of the mejlis of the crimean tatar people. i did not lose hope for a day that it would end someday, although internally i was ready to endure the entire unjust term

that was assigned to me in the occupation court crimea, the most important thing for us was to know that ukraine continues to fight for its own freedom, independence, and this hope, this resistance, he inspired us. not to succumb to any provocations that were there, these are such inspiring moments, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky, commenting on this liberation, stated that the vatican actually helped in the exchange of prisoners, and in view of this, i have a question for our guests, first of all, madam, i would like to see how active our western partners are and between. organizations join the liberation our civilians, well, as for international organizations, until the 22nd year, i think, were just such a peak of disappointment, most

of the organizations not only did not join in... in general, even fulfilling their mandate, many of them simply fled then, and even took with him the equipment that could help save people here, for example , armored cars there, and armored vests, helmets and everything else, unfortunately, it was just a shock for us, especially when we tried to help some people there to get them out of kyiv region, and this was it is surprising to see that, knowing their mandate, they did not do it, so there is really a lot of distrust in international organizations, but still, for example, the red cross works on some... cases and on some civilians, for example, it is possible to get at least some letter for the places of detention in the russian federation, but regarding the direction, regarding the exchanges in the negotiation process, usually international organizations are not involved, because their mandate does not include political actions, but they are important in the context of documenting there, confirming that there is a problem and so on further, that's why we, for example, also guide relatives to apply to international organizations so that they also enter in their

registers. yes in their reports and so on, because these are basically certain international documents that all other countries refer to, so it is more realistic to understand that political actions, that is, negotiations, we see that, for example, the participation of the vatican helped to return 10 civilians, well, as we were told, therefore the involvement of certain countries is really important, but among these countries, especially partner countries, especially those that provide weapons of ukraine, it is clear that it is unlikely that russia will go to negotiations, so they can... look for other countries that, for example, do not have such direct partnership relations with ukraine, but they have good relations with the russian federation, therefore, this way is also possible. there was also a peace summit, yes, there was a peace summit, and you and i know that there was a separate closed meeting, in which the ombudsman of ukraine, dmytro lubinets, also participated, and he said that a number of countries expressed that they offer their direct participation

and... their transition sites, and i hope that this is not the last release of civilians, where we all rejoiced at the return, including nariman jelal, who was imprisoned back in the 21st year, precisely for the fact that took part in the crimean platform, it was launched then, and we believe that the countries of the crimean platform, there are more than 60 of them, can participate in the release of our civilians, therefore, in principle , these political negotiations with the russian federation are the most realistic for us. but again, that doesn't rule out the fact that today russia released ten people, tomorrow it captured another 100. until the 22nd year, before the full-scale invasion of all crimean, yes, political prisoners, those who were imprisoned in crimea, only eight people were returned as part of exchanges, only eight, among them mr. akhtem cheygos, who was returned at that time with the participation of turkey, but these are only eight people, and now more than 200 of them will play, it

is only in crimea that... we know from the political affairs of crimea, so actually, unfortunately, while the occupied territories, in there are none of us guarantees that a new hostage and a new prisoner will not appear, but the process is going on, and this is the first such exclusively civilian exchange, because before that, after the 22nd, civilians were returned, if they were returned, then only as part of the exchange of prisoners of war, but this there were very isolated cases, that is, literally one, two, three people, several women were returned, but russia did not return people en masse, we only have those civilians who then simply after... capture, after they were let in after torture , they were released, and they made their way to the entrance by themselves of the pin control part of ukraine, but so that it was precisely within the framework of the exchange of some official negotiations with the russian federation, then in principle this is the first such exclusively civilian and exclusively civilian return without prisoners of war. mr. artem, i actually wanted to hear your opinion, because as

ms. olga correctly noted in... you were returned to ukraine with the participation of istanbul. i want to ask you, as a people's deputy: how lively are the discussions with governments, on the inter-parliamentary level with other countries , on the issue of the return of ukrainian civilians. or can you tell us something about this? this is a difficult question. to be honest, now our partners, or in those institutions, the question is not the mandate, but the question is that they have not yet developed such a tool that would be effective for putin, because only he decides who to give and who not , no one else there...