ahtemy, i actually wanted to hear your opinion, because as ms. olga rightly noted, you were returned to ukraine with the participation of istanbul, and i want to ask you, as a people's deputy, how lively are the discussions with governments, on the inter-parliamentary level with other countries, the question the return of ukrainian civilians, can you... tell us something about this? this is a difficult question, to be honest, now our partners, or in which institutions, the question is not the mandate, but the question is that they have not yet developed such a tool that would be effective for for putin, because only he decides who to give and who not, no one else is there...

there are many mediators, but they, as they say, make the decisions, not make decisions. why was such a tool not developed? well, unfortunately, uh, as i said at one speech, that until now, until now, the interests of business, they have more weight in these libras than the main thing there.

a person who is imprisoned for his views, for his, for his protests, and at the same time this, this state is a terrorist, the leader of this state, the main criminal, for some reason so easily signs multi-billion dollar contracts by states that say they respect human rights as fundamental. states, that is why we work as much as, no, i would say that it is sufficiently active at all levels, i do not think that this applies to the fact that, well, for example, china, which we do, that is, there is no state in the world that would... somehow would not

be involved in this great war, yes, because it is also technological, not only so direct, yes with weapons, yes, as we are all used to, tanks, missiles, but they for some reason they work, there are technological factors, in which china is also involved, that is, i do not think that there is a question here... of such neutrality of the state, its influence, yes, uh, first of all, this is, uh, our, ours is such a monotonous work, and where we, uh, very topically show, deeply show, the actions of russia in relation to our citizens, and so far, well, what is there, let's say, thousands of civilians. yeah, i'm not going to say

the 980 statistic there, because i know it's a lot more, but you know, right now , it's hard to say why the negotiations are going on all the time, i mean with our partners, friends of ukraine, but for some reason these questions are first of all asked for... from the solution of these questions before putin for some of his interests, for some reason it does not work, i will never forget when we met with boris johnson, yes, a great friend ukraine, yes, you remember, but when we met, i frankly told him, i've only been there for a year, i resigned and i say, i'm just begging you.

don't take part in this disgraceful football world cup, you don't need to do it at all, because putin will use it. so how much more people will suffer, yes, that's it let this blood be shed when everyone, including this china or others, will understand that

principles such as justice and international law cannot be traded, this is a rhetorical question. but this is the reality today, and the fact that the government, the state, and politicians are different, and our public associations, well, are very active in this issue, this is, let's say, the reason that what we we will achieve, yes, we will, and we give hope, today i met with nariman and... and he tells what i once felt, yes, that there is always hope, and that this hope gives them the opportunity to stay there too, it is impatient,

but to continue to feel the spirit of a fighter, yes, because this is their front, this is the front of political prisoners, in which the enemy must be defeated there. being in your hands. as a matter of fact, on june 25, ukraine won a case against russia for violation of human rights in the european court of human rights. i am interested to understand how important this decision is and whether it is important at all, if we are talking about a country that does not count with any laws at all. ms. ogle, what do you say? of course, it is not just important, it is... an unequivocal victory in the legal field of ukraine, this is the first decision, just as there was in the first interstate case, and it was filed precisely in crimea. the first thing that is important is that the court, the european court of human rights, that is, it is not a ukrainian court, but an international court, it recognized all the violations that occurred, violations

of human rights, this is political persecution, this is discrimination, this is torture, illegal deprivation of liberty, the imposition of citizenship and so on and so forth, everything that we have been talking about for so many years has been recognized, recognized by the court. and what is important is that it was unanimously recognized that the russian federation is responsible for all this, so this is the legal basis for all other actions, but we were talking about the fact that people suffer from various sufferings and so on, it must be constantly proven, now we have there is something to refer to, this is the decision of the european court of human rights, which, even in the context of international practice in general, fundamentally new decisions were adopted there, which did not exist before, for example, regarding illegally created courts, regarding the practice of imposed citizenship, i.e. it will even affect the practice of others. states, because the european court is a court that acts for all other states that are part of the council of europe. it is clear that the russian federation left the council of europe, we know that, but this does not mean that this decision does not mean anything for the russian federation. again, this is purely a legal argument. for example, when we talk about the same thing , an international register has already been created, regarding the damage, yes, that

was caused to us by the aggression of the russian federation. as of today, unfortunately, it only includes events from 22nd year. but this decision just proves that people suffer from human rights violations. since the 14th year, i include, including the crimea. and i believe that this should be used in order for people to have access to the international register, especially the victims of human rights violations, such as illegal deprivation of liberty, political prisoners, from the 14th year. this also applies to crimea and donbas. and we have a legal grant at the level of the decision of the european court of human rights. further, it will be taken into account by all other courts that are considering it russian crimes. therefore, in principle, it is very important and it is the first one that is so complex. thoroughly talks about the responsibility of the russian federation for everything that is there, well, and probably in a more applied context, nevertheless, when we talk about european states, they pay attention to the decisions of international courts, and this is exactly the reason for to

help break russian narratives, russian propaganda about how wonderful it is to live in the occupied territories, that it seems that russia has come to liberate everyone, just that the decision clearly confirms that russia has come to kill, persecute, and even... seize foreign territories, so i think that it is not only of legal importance, it has informational importance, just to break russian propaganda in european countries, it, unfortunately, there is a very serious one, we recently held. monitoring and mention of crimea in many european countries, so, unfortunately, there is not much crimea there, and very often crimea is mentioned not at all as we would like, in completely different contexts, and even, for example, not so long ago in the 23rd year well-known politicians could say and allow themselves, even in europe, to say that, well , everything is not so clear-cut with crimea, because crimea was still russian and so on and so forth, so it is important for us to work with it every day, i.e. this is information warfare. space, it continues constantly, russia has not spared turnovers, russia just as powerfully throws a lot of money, a lot of resources into

further promoting everything that it considers necessary, and crimea is one of the key narrative bases of the russian federation, through which she will still strive to break these international agreements, let's negotiate on donbas, and crimea will always be russian, if crimea is not deoccupied, not only will we not be able to protect people, we will never be able to return security to the european region. therefore , it is actually a very principled decision that should be used as much as possible, including in the information space. mr. ekhtem, you have a similar question, and i would also like to ask you how, in your opinion, it is possible to force the russian federation to comply with the decision of the european court of human rights? you know, with this case has been going on for almost 10 years. ukraine against russia, and in that case there is also my case and other things, but here we are all 10 years in the majority

, our team, here is the state, it tried, well, i will not be afraid of this word, to force to fulfill first of all this law and this right , which was developed by the institution itself, and the echr. because there were always some moments when inertia was very, very indecent, and i also had such an opportunity, when at such meetings, it was frankly said to their eyes, because we were constantly faced with the fact that russia's influence on these the institution is powerful enough, everything... it began, let's say, to become more active after the international criminal court recognized

putin as a criminal, and gave him permission to arrest him. then, in my opinion, these processes went faster. next, what does it give us? well, in addition to what our colleague already said there in the studio, and... for example, i will also file a lawsuit for russia to be financially responsible, that is, this is a principle, and, well, what, what she came out with, i rely on these norms and laws adopted by this institution, that is, there is, there is so that they can fulfill their own. the accepted norm, that is, there is also russian property in other territories, it is here and in ukraine, and

it is in other states, and this is fundamental, we must continue to add these criminals so that they know that this is not just like that, it will not go away , as they are used to, and for us politically, well, it is very important. it gives, it has already been said that there were such thoughts, the situation in the crimea is ambiguous, we are all, let’s say, going through it very , very, very, very with such persistence, yes, let’s say, because the one is not going anywhere the influence of russia, it is sometimes less, and then again with... becomes, and we need to continue to be persistent, and i just want to say about

that crimean platform, especially the parliamentary dimension, which was already held on the territory of our european states, where we used such a very influence. institute as parliaments of european states, which reflect directly affect directly, in our opinion. and this platform, it is comparable to the first one, it has changed a lot in its messages, its decisions, its resolutions, that is, we will force, no matter how much no time has passed, we will enforce these

international norms and laws. which, in which it is clearly stated that russia is a terrorist state, such as russia, it will respond, as the russians themselves say, to diligence, and i want to discuss the last issue with our guests, this is the issue of the rehabilitation of our civilian prisoners, i want to understand how it is today is happening, and is it actually in your opinion. mrs. olga, do we need to change something in this context and improve it, well, we definitely need to improve it, because unfortunately, unfortunately, if we talk about rehabilitation and medical services, then this process is not established today, we have more or less the procedure of providing material assistance, which i talked about, and the reimbursement of expenses for lawyers in the occupied

territories, which are received by relatives in order to at least somehow keep in touch there. communication with people who are in prison. coded, it’s all in principle that works more or less normally, then the law that i mentioned, which guarantees the protection of such people deprived of their liberty, it also clearly contains norms about rehabilitation measures, about medical care there assistance and so on, but during the 22nd and 23rd years there were no regulations for this at all, i.e. the government did not pass anything so that, in fact, the norms of the law began to work, i.e. in 22-23 years people simply did not have at all because of this bureaucracy, not providing the appropriate regulatory framework, people simply could not even... take advantage of the law that is already in effect, these changes took place only in the 24th year, when it is normal to at least approve, approve certain procedures at the government level, but now they should still be in principle actually implemented, medical facilities, rehabilitation facilities and so on must be identified, again, this can only be obtained after there is a fact, when the commissions have established the fact, so we return to that

category of people who still cannot confirm the fact stay in poland until they confirm it, so they can't apply for... flight aid if a prisoner of war, for the most part it's all coordinated because they're all released through the coordination headquarters, centrally, that is, they immediately receive all the information, they are placed in the appropriate measures and so on and so forth, then for civilians there is no such thing, especially the civilians who return on their way, about whom i spoke, the majority of them, that is, i believe that as soon as the person returned from the occupied territory, declared that she was a prisoner, or through third countries, returns to us here through the border of ukraine, there must be... some single mechanism, when this information immediately reaches that there is a person and she provide this set of services, not her walks through all the corridors, at all institutions, and begs for rehabilitation assistance for himself. for the most part, for the time being , the cases with which we work where we helped prisoners and prisoners who returned to ukraine after captivity, they

receive this help on their own or at the expense of public organizations. critical is, for example, the fact that everyone suffers. on this, and i think that mr. akhtem can confirm this, these are teeth, they all lose teeth, or teeth are knocked out after torture, or teeth simply fall out because there is simply terrible conditions of detention, one person who returned from illegal imprisonment, he is a crimean political prisoner, his teeth cost at least 150 00 hryvnias, this is just to insert, where is the person who returned after captivity, whose relatives and all this time , they were also looking for this line, waiting for where they would get such money? even the 100 00 that the family can get after being released from captivity will not cover those costs, so of course this is just one example of how difficult and expensive it really is, today we have this arrangement, but we also have to do to it was really easy to use for people, today it still doesn't work so that people can get rehabilitation, psychological and medical help without obstacles, ugh, well

, we have such an unplowed field, mr. akhtem, i'm with you then... now as a people's deputy, are you aware of such problems with the rehabilitation of captured civilians, and do you, as a people's deputy and actually the committee itself, somehow try to set up a dialogue with the government in order to resolve it? i am a people's deputy, but i walk the earth, and mrs. olya correctly said, i am his... olha, i will support him, because here, you know, here, here everything is solved more. to be where it is decided in such a manual mode, that is, again, they turn to public organizations, which then, and not

only money, find people who would help them, that's exactly how i and my other colleagues do the same, and this example, which on... mariment must goiter, because this, this, let's say, i already know what problems there will be, but from the side

of the state, from the side of the government in this direction, so far so as it was said, it is so centralized that everything is decided, which clinics will be. what to do, for what money yes, because that is not the case. well, no matter how difficult it is to adopt a law and then make changes to it, but it is done, yes, unfortunately, we want, we want quickly, but unfortunately, well, it doesn't happen, we can't do it so quickly , that's why i again... i appeal again that, as it was before, and today,

the role of public organizations will primarily be the driving force behind these issues before the state and, first of all, before the parliament. well, we come to such a disappointing conclusion that these are the issues that the state should deal with not. conclusion, this is, let's say, such a reality today, you understand, because i wouldn't say that public associations, they fulfill the role of the state, no, they are too much and are created so that this state, this power, it is, let's say, more effective in these humanitarian issues. well, i thank our guests very much

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11th in ukraine, the espresso team talks about the most important news for this hour. i am anna yavomelnyk, i greet all viewers. with daylight until 3 p.m., ukrenergo canceled the schedule for the shutdown. in all regions, the reason for the decrease in consumption and the increase in the capacity of solar power plants, reported companies at night, the russians attacked ukraine with 2-7 shaheds, only three of them could not destroy our defenders of the sky, - reported in the welcome forces, the air defense system worked in dnipropetrovsk, poltava, zaporizhzhia, kherson, kharkiv, donetsk, sumy, chernihiv, vinnytsia,

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