the producer, who has completely lost his reputation and is sitting in prison, there was a wave of myth, which at some point, according to many people, already began to cross certain limits, well, this usually happens when you stay silent for a long time and the problems are not solved, it all explodes and the pendulum swings the other way, but kevin spacey was then accused by many people on many points that related to ... also rape and harassment, men began to complain about him, while one of the first is a young actor who said that there was some time 20 or 30 years ago, he experienced harassment from kevin spacey at one of the parties at his house, and then another accusation went wild, and kevin spacey, which is called completely canceled, that is, he lost his job, he was super popular at the time . in the tv series house of cards

uhosh starred in the main role, and now we see him, it was a popular series that brought a lot of money, great ratings, but he was simply kicked out of this series, and even had to reshoot the film in which he had already starred, change him on another actor, that is, it was very loud, and now all these years since 2017, kevin spacey has been going through the courts, and this may... it turned out that he won all the courts, that is, according to 12 accusations, it turned out that he the court found out that he is innocent, and that all the accusations were either exaggerated or completely false, and kevin spacey found himself in the following situation, that he was acquitted, but his reputation was completely destroyed. he didn't even have any money left,

as he says, he had to sell all his real estate there, and for all these years he went to court spent almost all his money, and now we see a situation where in hollywood, in particular, and the world media are actively discussing this situation, this is called a case, how should we be, how should we deal with situations when someone accuses someone of sexual harassment or in rapes, especially when it was already... a long time ago, how to make it so that a person is convicted after the court found him innocent, and now there are also various movies about kevin spacey, and speaking of that, for example, american british actor and television presenter stephen fry stated that, from his point of view, this wave of condemnation was simply incredibly exaggerated. to kevin spacey,

we can also mention johnny depp, who won the court case against his wife, and now the whole of hollywood is thinking, what to do with spacey, how to restore his career, because it seems that many have already made statements, there is sharon stone stated that we need to somehow help kevin, restore his acting career, since we all lost it, and now we see completely different ones. moments that happen to him for example, he was recently invited to sicily to present a lifetime achievement award, and there are several more awards, and they are also trying to offer him some roles now and somehow atone for his guilt, but in the end, this is important for society, for the american society in particular, that now exactly this reflection is taking place: and people are thinking about how to react to

various such situations that occur in hollywood, in particular, or when something happens there at the workplace, so when the boss can flirt with his subordinate, like this to interpret everything, and how to behave in such situations, this is all extremely interesting, and for us, of course, if you look at our ukrainian information space, then of course... we had reflections on the topic of this myth movement, but from my point of view we did not rethink all of this, and maybe because we concentrated on the issues of war and on some other issues, but in the end it seems to me that we will have to rethink this issue in the future, and maybe the hollywood experience, the american experience will tell us about what is not needed for this question. to approach

emotionally, and if we call ourselves a state governed by the rule of law, then we need to wait for the court's decision every time, although we have a different situation, when the decision... of the court does not necessarily have to be, even in relation to people who, it seems, absolutely definitely violated law, but somehow we don't have a court decision. that's all for me, friends, and i wish you a good and most importantly a restful weekend and see you next week. glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, the west studio program is on the espresso tv channel, we will analyze the most important events of this week, in particular we will analyze the big putin kurultai in astana with the participation of representatives of turkey, china and so on, and at the same time we will try to outline

the parameters of the polish-ukrainian security agreement. today's guests are the famous polish politician bohdan borusevych, as well as the famous political scientist who is in prague, oleksandr morozov. and from... bohdan borusewicz, a legendary polish politician, marshal of the polish senate from 2005 to 2015 and now a senator. greetings, ladies marshalka, to the espresso studio. good day to you, good day to the audience. first of all, i would like to ask you how you assess the situation with the so -called security guarantees for ukraine. we understand that this is a very difficult matter , negotiations between the eu countries and nato members are ongoing, and of course, the security agreement between poland and ukraine is currently on the table. actually, how do you see this structure? i am a supporter of political and military ties between ukraine and poland. and it's not just about deals, i think it's worth going further. of course, for

support from the americans, but we can stabilize this part of europe if we act together here. we are not talking about the formula of this connection, but it should be a very close connection. then we will be able to stabilize this part of europe, because russia will continue to be a serious country, and russia has shown itself to be an aggressive country, revisionist, without a sense of borders. so we have a common interest here. that is, i believe that these guarantees should ensure common interest. this is not a one-way guarantee, but also a guarantee from ukraine. for poland. that's how you should think. this is how it should be analyzed, but you know it, no guarantees will help if ukraine does not defend itself, because after all, there were guarantees not in the form of an agreement when ukraine gave up nuclear weapons. i remember how at that time the americans made sure

that those nuclear weapons returned to russia, in general, how they worried that the suitcase would go somewhere and fall into the hands of terrorist groups, but so what? guarantees for ukraine are just arms deliveries, and i believe that it is necessary to go further, and poland must think, we must together to think about some alliance with the support of the americans, without such support we will simply be kicked out of nato, and with support the americans will then be able to move to asia, because in the end it will be natural, and all politicians are talking about it, not only trump, but also biden is talking about it that american interests. primarily in asia at this moment. the problem of competition with china is not rivalry, no, but competition, serious competition. therefore, if we went in that direction, everyone would be satisfied. actually, a lot will depend on the so-called political ones

elites, we are talking about specific people in warsaw and kyiv. we had a few difficult months, and for myself i did not fully understand what happened, it is about some kind of cooling of relations between president duda and the president. it is about a meeting at the united nations in the united states. now it seems that it is possible, the climate has improved and there is again a chance to continue polish-ukrainian cooperation in the field of security. but i want to say that there is a certain imbalance between poland and ukraine. and in that question, i noticed it: in poland, it is in charge the prime minister runs the government, not the president. power rests in the hands of the prime minister, who has the same level of power as the chancellor. the president controls the sphere of security and the sphere of defense, he also has competence in the sphere of foreign policy, mostly in appointing ambassadors, and that's it. instead, all power over the army, also over the security forces, that is, over the police, over the services, is concentrated in

the prime minister. this should be remembered when we talk about president zelenskyi and president duda here. much more power, by basically has dictatorial power, but the president in poland does not, if it looked like that, why am i talking about it? because in poland it's election time, and the presidential party, that is, law and justice, lost the election, and at the moment there is a completely different government, so if we talk and look, with whom we need to talk and decide now, it is with the government and the prime minister with tusk. well, how do you assess the situation between the polish and ukrainian governments, between the polish and ukrainian authorities, because it is necessary to continue cooperation and possibly raise it to some level a completely different, higher ditch. the current government in poland, the civil coalition, of which i

am a member, is the dominant party, and this is actually the government of the coalition, it must also be remembered that prime minister tusk must take into account the opinion of the coalition partners, and also about the fact that concerns ukraine. fortunately, we are continuing the policy that concerns ukraine, the policy that was started immediately, the policy of supporting the military. and political, military - this is the fact that we transferred more tanks to ukraine than all of western europe combined. essentially, a huge amount, about 500 tanks, more than 50 powerful and modern howitzers, 20 thousand starlinks, more than 500 generators of electricity, and these are only such selected things. of course, the most important thing for ukraine is military aid and support, but also political aid, i.e. support for joining the eu. and we give full support here. and support for joining nato. for poland, joining nato was

much easier than joining the european union. because joining nato is a political decision. the army should be led by a civilian. that army has to be adapted, but there is a start adaptation to nato standards, and you can join. and joining the european union is the adaptation of the entire economy to the standards of the european union. this is a negotiation that... is about a transition period. and of course, the negotiations are related to the issue of grain. negotiations, negotiations. for example, when we had negotiations, we secured a long period during which there was a ban on the sale of land to foreigners, if suddenly someone was afraid of it. grain, grain, mr. marshalka. let's go back to the grain. and what do you want when it comes to grain? and what will happen to that. of the european union, which is open to ukraine, but there is still a separate position of polish farmers and the polish

government. we must take this into account, because we must also take into account the interests of our citizens. farmers are our citizens. and there will be a discussion, something will have to be done. and how intense will this discussion be, mr. marshalka? no, the discussion should take into account the interests of both. parties, and it is quite possible that a transition period will be needed, since we have a ban on the movement of polish labor in the eu for the purchase of land, i.e. workers from poland, and it worked, those fears disappeared after a couple of years, but surely you want to ask me about grain, what is the situation at the border at the moment? the current situation, will the so-called activists not return? they are not there, and you know if we keep an eye on it and negotiate in time,

they will not return, but what is the situation now? there are no blockades at the moment, there are no blockades, and you also know that there is no grain in poland at the moment, that means there is no grain, we are waiting for a new harvest, and they will be, then we will have grain, because now we do not have grain in poland. we exported 14 million tons. i recently spoke with a colleague who specializes in this. and actually asked him, he says: there is no grain in poland, we lack grain. i say, let's buy in ukraine. and he answers that there is none in ukraine either, because ukraine exported. and poland will defend its interests, of course, ukraine will defend its own. yes, and it is necessary to reach something. but the most important thing is that those national interests do not... collide, no, there are no interests such selfishness, although, of course, there are those who

say: it must be, i must earn from it, yes, huge money, billions of euros, yes, but of course, during the negotiations , ukrainian agriculture, which is very powerful, is a problem , it is necessary to agree here, because this is agriculture, where no artificial fertilizer is used at all, because there is chernozem, except for protective means for plants. is used, and because of this, the price of such grain can be much lower. the accession of ukraine to the eu means also to pay for of ukrainian agriculture. we have additional payments per hectare of approximately €250. we already have average surcharges in europe, but we started with lower ones, but if ukrainian agriculture enters, will it be possible to keep these surcharges at the same level, because ukraine will join. so it's true. and our farmers, especially large-scale farmers who make money

from it, will try to protect the level of those surcharges, because it is billions of euros. it needs to be understood, but negotiations, conversations and so on are needed here. in a democracy , nothing can be done by force. but they should there should be consultation mechanisms, communication mechanisms between the polish and ukrainian authorities, and here i am not necessarily talking about any open consultations, but between the president of ukraine and, for example, prime minister tusk, right? we were expecting a meeting, but it was slightly delayed, as far as we understand, for various reasons. how would it look now? situation, mr. marshalka, what are the prospects for the growth of this diplomatic-political-economic activity? we are active diplomatically, but we are also building our position in the european union, because we have lost this position, we are rebuilding the so-called weimar triangle, it is the meeting of poland, germany and france. and the role of poland has increased

due to the fact that we are the country on the ukrainian front, the closest to ukraine. it goes through us. aid to ukraine, through us, because the hungarians blocked it, a little through romania, but most of it through us, grain exports go through romania, while military equipment goes through poland. this is not a secret. i am saying what the russians know very well, but we, we politicians, say it to our colleagues, and have said it now to ukrainian colleagues, they should talk and discuss what will happen after the war, how polish-ukrainian relations will develop. what do we want, how do we want those relations to look like, should it just be some general principle, as at this moment, or should we treat ukraine better. ukraine is our neighbor and ally, so we have a greater interest in cooperation with ukraine than, for example, the germans, who have more funds and

will have more funds, but have a smaller national interest. and that's understandable. italy, spain is far, and so are others. there is a different interest and a different attitude in the european union. it should all be centered. this is not always the case, because everyone looks after their own interests. in the union, the basis is understanding - consensus. because if everyone will fight to the end for their own, the eu will collapse. there is no such union. however, everyone will get something, and we will benefit from the union. i agree with you, but this will also be a benefit for ukraine, because it is the case that the eu provides security, not only nato, but the european union, because these are multilateral economic ties, financial as well as cultural. so you have to remember that i am much more complicated than nato.

nato looks more difficult for ukraine now, because it is in conflict and wants to be accepted into nato, all the time. aspires, and what does joining nato mean? the fifth article, the most important. yes, this means putting article five into effect, that is, going to war, but not in the way that we give weapons, introduce our soldiers, and we understand this well, and the ukrainians also understand this well, and here we have slightly different interests , because ukraine would like to bring it to this point. our goal, mr. marshall, there is a victory over the russians. and so it is, in the near future, this means that we must involve as much different equipment as possible, we are talking about aviation, air defense systems and so on. and there was an idea to, for example, use polish anti-aircraft systems to cover the western cities of ukraine. i have been thinking about this for a long time, and i am a supporter of such a decision, because

it is not known whether a rocket flying to lviv will fall in poland, in lublin, for example, or in rzeszów. well, this is known. yes, that's why we have to defend here and on occasion, of course, defend as well ukraine, but this issue is also for some interstate agreements on defense and so on, because we cannot so easily shoot over ukraine. why? and for example, if there was an agreement with the ministry of defense, with the general staff, it must be. and she is not there now. of course, there is no such agreement. one country cannot shoot without... putin says that poland wants to occupy a western country, they talk about it all the time. and i remember this conversation from hyrinovsky. but i wrote a letter, i talked to the russians then and told them well: no, no, give something of your own,

for example, the kaliningrad region, not someone else's. return smolensk to us, give the russians smolensk to us. no, smolensk is far away, and the kaliningrad region, so give us something of our own, and we will even share with the lithuanians ourselves, but you understand that this is an attempt to split. quite primitive, but we talked here about actions over ukraine, but the main thing is that the patriots who are already near the ukrainian border in the vicinity of rzeszów are american patriots, and american, american commanders decide to shoot or not, that is, it should to be a tripartite polish-ukrainian- american agreement, but the americans will not agree to it, oblique strikes on the territory of russia. now it has progressed very well that it is possible to attack, attack russian territories within at least 100 km near the border through kharkiv, because

otherwise the russians shelled it without any losses for themselves, and abroad, destroying the city, the russians went too far, and this is the american response , but the patriot batteries, which were located in zheshov, are subject to the decisions of the americans. american leadership decides whether to fire and where to shoot, we do not have such an opportunity, but poland still has its own patriot system, you know, poland has fewer patriots than ukraine at the moment, so i will say in general, we do not have it, and now we return to the system of protecting the ukrainian sky by the forces of poland and it is possible not only for poland, but also for the possibilities of poland, yes possibilities. poland and nato's capabilities, that is, we need, so yes, we gave the mig-29, we gave these planes, the problems are, you

will have problems with missiles for the f-16, with covering those airfields, defense airfields, we must talk, discuss, but it is obvious that military experts are needed here, but those planes, those f-16s must be guarded, because there is no sense in these planes being destroyed within three. it is a good plane, but not an extraordinary one, because it can also be destroyed, just like american tanks, because many times when i watch ukrainian television, suddenly there is a wave, there was a wave of bairaktars, the waters are amazing, then tanks. abrams, abrams, but also leopards, it looked like that, it was shown, it was said society, begged that this weapon was not destroyed. weapons can be destroyed and f-16s can be destroyed and they will be destroyed, but you have to prepare to just protect them and you have to know where to put them.

i once said that in a country with mountains, such things are located in underground bases that are difficult to destroy, and the russians have already warned that if they are located in the territories of neighbors, that is, poland, then such bases will be under attack, that is, russia they will be attacked, attacked. or not, i don't know, this, of course, is a question for politicians, but with on the technical side, there are also the military who must know where, how, and so on, what distances, i think that such a situation may arise, what macron said will become relevant, and did poland join this french proposal, or the decision, if such a situation happened. the polish prime minister said no. but maybe it will still change, but i think that such a sharp denial is not good, let the russians not fully know how we will behave, no one wants to go to

the front, so while it is possible and while it is effective, we must help with arms , which ukraine needs it's just that the situation in the states can change, mr. marshall, trump can come, and of course, macron and not only macron are thinking about the situation, what will happen in a few months. but then. the european union will unite, there will be a deeper consolidation of the european union both in the military sphere and in relation to foreign policy. but pace, pace, pace. yes, i know, about the pace. in ukraine, we greatly appreciate, for example, poland's help, because it was done quickly. in a flash, very fast. yes, while in brussels , they would only write documents and make phone calls between brussels and berlin. yes, but like this. aid should be supported by society, because it can do more harm than good, but i will tell you, i look at ukrainian men who are in poland, young men,

this... causes a negative reaction among poles. we in ukraine are ready to accept them, but would poland be ready to give them or help us get them? it needs to be talked about, but it's also an issue that is in your interest, because those men are working, you know, if we lose them, then whole sectors of the economy, for example, construction, will collapse. it is necessary to weigh everything, but as for me. the business for poland is to support ukraine, and everything should be subordinated to this, including our political decisions and what we do abroad, because this is the most important thing, and why? it is clear, it is obvious, putin is a revisionist, he undermines all the principles of international law. he pursues a policy of aggression, but he does not clearly outline his goals, it is very vague, so we must

do the same, respond. yes, or maybe not, if there is such a need. the most important thing is the readiness and capacity of the army. connection logistics and capacity. i agree with you and would like to ask, for example, about the fate of the polish-lithuanian-ukrainian joint brigade. a few days ago, i spoke with bohdan klich, the former minister of defense of poland, and he said that there is a good prospect for creating, for example, a division from this brigade, and perhaps even a military corps, polish-lithuanian-ukrainian. what would the odds be? as a political slogan is a good slogan, this polish-lithuanian-ukrainian brigade was created in a different situation, i remember the moment of its creation, supported it, because it is really a matter of the future, although i did not know how russia would behave, but its benefit for the current situation is small, small, because what does it matter that there is a brigade, but for the future it would be useful, of course , it would be useful,

but for the future for ukrainians all... logistics, armed and human support will be useful. no, it is only about the climate, the situation may change in six months, but the most important thing is that there is something on paper, that is , we understand that there is a military bureaucracy, a bureaucracy of the ministry of defense, not only ukrainian, but also polish, and so on. here we have to think more broadly, about readiness, about the concept, about alliances, about alliances of various types, and readiness, that too. no, readiness for union, the so-called political will, yes, yes, yes, at the moment it is not such a difficult situation, the ukrainians are helping themselves, but the question for us, for me, is what to do when ukraine stops giving advice, and i say, it is necessary to consider various possibilities, probably you are considering such possibilities, we should also consider them, currently ukraine

gives advice, gives advice. but we had a difficult period when the united states did not give weapons, blocked, yes, when they could not vote, and it went on and on, and we understand that this was also a corridor of opportunity for putin. but the european union voted to provide 50 billion, but not 100 billion. well, fine, but then you can say why not 150 billion, the states voted for 60 billion. what do you want from a poor woman? europe has such money, the states are richer, but at the same time, the usa is a power. it does not mean that who yes, you can vote for 100 billion, but you have to buy weapons for them, that is, make weapons. states have weapons, only the usa has such stockpiles of weapons, in our country we are forced to restore and rebuild the arms industry. i am a member of the national defense commission, that is, i am engaged in the military.