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a one-wheeled thing is a multi-colored thing, that 's the result that we have at the end of this whole adventure with the exit of britain from the european union. conservatives are effectively destroyed as a political force. yes, by the way, they got, so to speak, the lowest result in history, in history, there are actually 100-plus mandates, well, imagine a political party that... took 300, 350, 400, always traditionally , over and over for hundreds of years, in fact here it has fallen to the level of liberal forces that never, that never were not, never had high support among the british. jore was a liberal democrat. and was the prime minister
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of great britain, so at the beginning i mean our history, at least our life with you there for 50 years, well, in fact, since the post-war period, the liberal democrats were no longer the government party, although they were in a coalition with cameron, but you understand, now the conservatives are happy that they remained the second party at all, they had a time when they could have become the third party, now is the time of wild polls. most of their ministers, as i have already said, left the parliament, and everyone is incredibly glad that these people are gone, because they are odious people, in general, for the most part, odious figures in british politics, anecdotal characters, by the way, well, it is difficult to say that about risha sunyk , he is a talented manager, certainly in the economy, he is simply not a politician, but when they found out that les tras lost her deputy seat, she lost the election, you know?
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the prime minister of great britain, it's a total shame. yes, there was simply joy of almost everyone, they applauded it people gathered in this hall. and there is one more important point, it can be said that all this was organized. all this madness to stop nigel farage. so nigel farage now ended up in parliament, but he was never there. "when david cameron arranged this whole referendum and did all that, nigel farage was not in parliament, the uk independence party had no chance of getting there, now, to be clear, they've had a miserable four months, yes, but it's a majoritarian system, you can closely look at their votes, at how many people voted for them, and we will tell you how many millions of people voted for this reform party, the right-wing party.
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which was not the case before brexit, when they were just a uk independence party, they didn't get a tenth of the votes they got now, and another point, there is one person who after the uk election was congratulated on a decisive victory, they said , that she will deal with nigel farage and not keir starmer, because about keir starmer was not even mentioned, that person is donald trump. it was donald trump who congratulated nigel farage on his victory in the elections, that is, donald trump is interested in these four seats, he is interested in labor britain, keir starmer is not interested in britain, and this is also an interesting point, and if britain were in the european union, it would depend so much on , what the candidate for the position of the us president is thinking, and now they are all in awe of this, because they are betting on some kind of strategic partnership. not interested in the strategic
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partnership with great britain, in which labor will rule a strategic partnership, and this must be clearly understood and said: how can it be that the president of the united states does not invite the prime minister of great britain to the white house, but just how long has the president joseph biden of the united states does not invite prime minister israel benyaho to the white house, it seems to me that it has been two years already, and somehow everyone lives, and israel and the united states have a strategic partnership, there is simply no deologist, well, they started talking on the phone after october 7, well, because you can’t not talk, if there is something similar in britain, the us president, trump, will also call, if everything is okay, as if he will not simply know where this london is, so what is the threat , why british european integration was so important in general. i am
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of course very sorry, you know, keir starmer was exactly the politician who said that a second referendum should be held, the leader of the party at that time, can we expect that during this term of the new parliament, during the government of the new cabinet of great britain, such a referendum can be held, it cannot be, it is a completely closed issue. all these referenda are taking place in great britain. uh, well, let's say this, within the framework of the generation, uh, i don't think that in the nearest 5, 10, 15, 20 years there will be a referendum on the accession of great britain to the european union, europeans are not very interested in this after
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this history , the british will not do it, so i think it will happen at some point, but it is not a question of the tenure of the current government and even the next, no one even during the election campaign, i say that starma was such a supporter. of the european union, and when all this happened, i stopped talking about it, because i realized that now in these conditions it is impossible for the labor party to organize such and such a referendum without losing something, the labor party itself does not have this, this unity, and there is another point, which, by the way, postpones the need to hold this referendum, and it is also related to this election, is the absolutely incredible failure of the scottish national party the scottish national party, as we know, has always been the driver of scottish independence, and after the united kingdom, it left the european union, the scottish national party started saying, listen, you've lied to us, we , when we had the referendum, we wanted
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to stay in the united europe, and now it turns out that you left the united europe and took us with you, so we want to return to the united europe, so it turns out that, what... the scottish national party practically lost most of its votes in parliaments of great britain in favor of labor. ugh. and this means that she may lose power in scotland in favor of labor. and this means that there is no danger of such a referendum. the situation in northern ireland has changed. also in an absolutely incredible way, because it is democratic john. the party, which was generally the center of political influence of supporters of the preservation of northern ireland as part of great britain, it lost its position, there was a dramatic moment on the night of the vote, even in the morning when
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it became clear that one of the representatives of the political dynasty of paisley, which created this democratic. the party lost his seat in the british parliament, which he and his relatives have been elected there for 50 years, people with the surname pasley, and now he has lost his seat, this is a real political earthquake in northern ireland, but what does this mean? this means that there is an opportunity for more harmonious cooperation between catholics and protestants. because these forces, let's say, they are losing little by little the ionist influence, and the most serious the party now in northern ireland is the sinn fein party, they do not sit in the british parliament, this is also a very interesting thing, they have now received seven mandates, which will not be implemented, because they believe that
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the british parliament is a foreign parliament for the irish, that it must be swamped so that no one can take the places of the irish, but do not go there, because the british parliament is not supposed to decide the issues. ireland, and this is also an interesting one, there are a lot of such interesting moments that happen, but these are definitely moments that are not related to european integration, i.e. ireland, northern great britain may lose regardless of what happens with european integration, because this is an old, old century-old dispute, and i think it will be solved when the ethnic irish, catholics will more in northern ireland, more likely to happen again. referendum and this territory will join the irish republic, this is almost not a fleeting process, and scotland, now we can say, digested this situation with brexit, british politicians often say that one of the reasons why
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rishi sunak's party lost is the failure to solve the problem of migration, which is quite acute, including in great britain. what do you think these policies will be under labor? milder, labor has always been much more relaxed about migration than the conservatives, and the conservatives by and large have made the fight against migration the slogan of their anti-european policies, like nigel farage, by the way, and then it turned out that they were not able to solve this problem, and one more thing turned out that the exit of great britain from the european union does not solve migration problems, this is what was said before this exit, that you will not get rid of anything, you will only make the situation worse. well, i think that now it will be necessary to do everything possible in order to
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start, i would say, to solve the urgent problems of the british economy in this situation that has developed in british politics. migration is, of course, also a part of these problems, because it is necessary that people who came to velika britain, at least got the opportunity to adapt jobs, so that there was a fight against illegal migration, so that there was a clear ... bureaucratic legal migration, because you know there are a lot of problems with that too, and that's the story that was connected with the fact that great britain was a big supporter of ukraine, but let's say, to get to great britain, as you know, you needed whole special stories with instructions from people who were ready to receive you, right? yes, in fact, people who got to the great britain. there are quite a lot of such stories, they told how difficult it was for them
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to do this and how much more difficult, in general, the institutional adaptation of these people is in contrast to the countries of the european union, but you know what is interesting in contrast to scotland, because in scotland your the guarantor was the scottish government, it is also a very interesting point that at the level of scotland it was possible to solve it in the same way as in the european union, because the initiative ... to solve all these problems was the scottish government, so in fact, if you want these problems to solve, they can be solved, and probably the last question in this block, still, which surprised me personally, because we are used to the fact that many politicians like to hold on to their seats, rishisunaka had the opportunity to stick to the end. this year, at least legally, the elections could not be held in july, but conditionally speaking, the last, possible
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date of the elections, if i am not mistaken, is the end of december. i understand that he thought that this was because inflation was starting to come down, that this was a chance for him to get a better result, uh because he could, as an economist, consider that this is a short-lived process, that it can start again after the summer vacation. to go in the other direction, and while there is such a trend, he decided to capture this trend, there could be such an idea, this is absolutely non-political, this is an economic calculation, this once again indicates that risho sunok was more of an economic manager than a politician than a politician, a politician, a populist was boris johnson, well, we see that all this led to this, because there you could talk about both love and hate, as you see, from loving to hating boris jones. one step politician keir starmer, you just know very well, he is such a school politician, but
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maybe such a politician is just after boris johnson and is needed in great britain, he says that he is not a star personality, he is, i would say, a party bureaucrat, but on the other hand here problems need to be solved, we don't know how the liberal government will solve them, the last liberal prime minister, but tony blair was such a political star that even boris johnson could not compete with. to be in comparable, but gordon brown, tony blair's successor, was already such a party bureaucrat, well, we see, i'm a grasshopper, by the way, we see that this did not save the conservatives, yes, in fact, from a whole series of wrong decisions, we have a short pause , and after that we will come back with another important topic, let's talk about the united states of america. about the elections, about the results of the debate again and about the ratings, don't
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the debate, it would seem that the consequences are already quite clear, but as we can see, ... as they say, it is still thundering, i am not going anywhere, - says biden, but we see , that in the democratic party this position is not shared by everyone, we see that, nevertheless, the evaluation continues the internal shakeup in the democrats, we see that there are votes against biden, and we see that the polls that have been released, at least in the last few days, indicate that ... trump has gained a little bit in his ratings, although he really has not especially affects the final result, which is still unknown. let's start, perhaps, with the situation in the democratic party, it is still shaking, there is the position of donors, there is the position
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of individual senators, there is the position of journalists who are close to the democratic party. i would say to the left camp of the democratic party, that is there is a position of average democrats, and this position is not the only one as of now, at the same time biden says that he is not going to withdraw from the primary, the primary race, he shows that he continues to meet with voters, give interviews, shows confidence , that... everything is fine, what can this lead to, what, what other upheavals the next few weeks, at least until the beginning of august, when it will be necessary to ... finally check, so to speak, in the election, can expect biden and his political strength you know, i think everything is very simple. if biden decides to stay
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in this fight, the democrats will have nowhere to go. biden, as we saw from his interview with yesterday's abc tv channel, he clearly said that he is not going to leave the race. and that he does not believe in all these negative ratings about which. the host of this interview told him, he doesn't believe it, our polls show otherwise, said biden, when the journalist told him that he has a 38% rating in the polls, and this is an absolutely accurate assessment of the situation with biden's mood and with the mood of the democrats, that is, the democrats have to decide for themselves a simple thing: do they want to vote against trump or? don't want to, that's the logic of the election, you won't be able to prove to any democrat that a more, i would say,
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energetic trump is better than a less energetic biden, that's the choice, republican supporters say, you saw, they decided to vote for trump before these debates, and this debate did not convince them of anything, they already knew everything if people were ready to vote. for, not just trump, a first-time presidential candidate, but trump after the storming of the capitol, you can any debate, you will not convince them of anything. voting for trump is a political diagnosis, with an absolute lack of understanding of the consequences. now there is one more important point to emphasize. in any case, the voting in the united states... is in three states, no matter what, or what happens in the debate, the american political audience is divided into supporters of democrats and supporters
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of republicans, this is a legacy of the civil war and further political processes, it is not directly related to trump or biden, there are a few states where it's not as pronounced, you know, they're swinging, if donald trump hadn't won those states... in 2000 16 16, he wouldn't have been the president of the united states, the president of the united states states would be hilary clinton, joseph biden has returned these states to the democrat, if now donald trump wins them, he will be president, if he loses them, he will not be president, no debate will change that, he can win all the debates and lose three states , three, how many are there. wisconsin, michigan and no, and arizona, not pilsenvalia, even, i think, but there it is called, some say three, some say seven, i understand that among
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these seven key ones there are these three, these three, yes, well, well, we will count even seven , that, but that's the logic of the american election campaign, you can brilliantly run an election, you can get a majority of the electoral votes like hillary clinton, trump never got a majority of the electoral votes, but once he...became president and the other time he didn't, both, both times had a minority of voters, arithmetically, and what, so it's not the story about the debates, and the story about the extent to which it will be possible to conduct the right campaign in these states, of course, the debates are reflected on the mood of the people in these states, that is clear, but it is also not known to what extent what is the main debate there, say, whether their economic level or any migration issues, it should be a specialist. in every such story, do you remember this recount of votes in the last elections in pennsylvania, it was, it seems, well, they were generally 50 to 50, and why then are
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the democrats shaking so much, there are different currents, conditionally in other words, they are trying to stir up water, that is , they are trying to promote, someone is trying to promote their candidates, because there are currently two, two or three people. already appears in the press, and even among these donors, donors, in particular, they talk about the fact that they wanted to see the governors of either michigan or california instead of biden, why do they say this, there is some logic in this, but these people do not did not win the primaries for democracy, yes, yes, yes, it is not the donors who determine who should be the candidate for the post of president, but the supporters of the democratic party for some reason , the democratic party is now actually engaged in disunity , because the democratic party has a large and noisy left wing, ugh, which now believes that
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it... can take revenge, and this, by the way, is connected with the the situation is very strong, these people think that donald trump, joseph biden is enough, very moderate in relation to the situation that has developed in the gas sector, and as a result they will not bring to power donald trump, who will not be moderate in relation to the situation in the sector gas, and i will say that the israelis cleaned it up without thinking about the consequences, that's how it will be with their stupidity.
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on american university campuses, that's how it will be, but for some reason they like it, well, that's their problem, who cares? it is difficult to understand why they decided instead of discussing this situation with a debate in their own circle, to start such a panic, although again, i believe that these statements by the editorial boards of the new york times or the economist, these are not statements related to reality, statements are related to exploitation reality to the left. uh, the political circle in the democratic party, if you read everything that these people write, well, this is their position, you see that it is not about the age of biden, but about the position of biden, again, let's not tell ourselves that the question biden's age doesn't exist, there are problems, there are, but you can find out, they definitely only saw it at the debates, when they supported him, his nomination, why didn't anyone talk about it,
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here suddenly... they got into some kind of reality , oh, biden turns out to be 81 years old, and you haven't seen his passport, have you looked at him before that, well, you have to remember, again, that the person who, how to say it, who opposes biden, is not a boy either, trump is 78 years old, if he is elected president this year, he will be inaugurated. 79 and will finish his term as president at 83, if biden is elected president biden will be inaugurated at 82 and will finish at 86, you can find out what is the significant difference for all these people, at the age of 83 and at the age of 86, well basically , that is, i understand if it was about someone's landing party or nicky haley, listen to these two. the two politicians
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are both very old, this difference is quite illusory, and it most likely simply comes from some imposed stereotypes that trump is such a young man who turns out to be a young man, as they believe in russia , a large part of russian society considers zhivchikov to be putin's young man, who doesn't look like him anymore, look, he runs, he jumps, he's there, he's on a horse, then... well, he hasn't been on a horse for a long time, again when was he last on horses, they are horses, but many russians still consider him, look at our youngest, well, do you remember the last time putin undressed to the waist, well, 12 years ago, maybe back, yes, well, the man is now 72 or how many years old , it seems to me, ugh, well, he will be 72 this year, but he is clearly in a worse condition, i dot, he is not dying, of course, he is, but he is just
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a person who... as such a brutal macho, it is also strange for 60 , but his informational, informational propaganda machine of the kremlin paints him in real life, but i sometimes look at me it happens on youtube, we won't name it, they make such a deep fake project. where putin in the image of a deepfake is presented as such a lifer, and i see that there are millions, thousands of russians writing about how cool he is, it started from the first day when putin became the president of the russian federation, the huge problem was that he looked to put it mildly, uncharismatic, he is not charismatic.

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