such favorable conditions, which in principle will put an end to their ambitions. i don't think that will happen. first, i believe that trump is a completely unrealistic thinking person. well, you know, mo-, trump supporters can think and say whatever they want. but we see and hear everything. we see a person who, in principle, is unable to formulate an opinion. well, just unable to formulate an opinion. but this is reality. you can talk as much as you want about president biden, he is there. old age, that he is whispering there, that he is not feeling well feels, but when biden speaks, he speaks in complete sentences. trump does not speak in complete sentences, because he is unable to formulate an opinion, just purely mentally. i understand that to many people who vote for him, who are not able to formulate an opinion themselves, this seems normal, because a huge number of people in our world are not able to clearly formulate an opinion, firstly, because they do not think, secondly , when he thinks, he is confused in his thoughts, because there is no corresponding, i would say mental.

background, but this is reality, that's why to say trump knows exactly what he's going to do when he jumps from thought to thought for a few minutes, he's such a mentally disorganized person, we, we can't, well again, it's not a situation where we wait for something, what we didn't see, we saw trump with a kimchan, we saw how trump came to the second meeting, not understanding why, then he decided that there would be business, then he said... i told them to do it, there will be no business, you are behaving badly, well and all this looked like absolute oligophrenia, i'll be honest, well, it's political, and it can happen again, so again, i'm sure that trump underestimates putin and xi jinping, one, two, he overestimates himself, two, three, i believe that a person with the, i would say, absolutely incredible ego that donald has trump, capable of being really offended. when it comes to

his, so to speak, well, how to say it, his idea of ​​how the international order should develop, he may be offended and may somewhere respond in a way that putin never dreamed of, but there is another problem, trump is united with putin, that trump is ready to disregard international law, these are all of them talk that he is putin'. will give something that putin wants for the sake of peace, which means quite a simple thing that he will agree to the possibility of changing state borders in exchange for peace in europe, but changing state borders in exchange for peace is always a new war, because in principle we we get into a new reality that if you can seize something from another state and establish yourself there, it doesn't matter what you say, all these historical reminiscences that we... putin have no meaning in

relation to international law. moreover we see that they can change. there were russians in crimea. and everyone said, well, you see, the russians are already there. and in the kherson region there are ukrainians, but we will declare them russians. well, listen, it's like kosovo is serbian. kosovo is the ancient land of the serbian people. in fact, that's why it belongs to us. not because of international law, because it is serbian. and the albanians who think otherwise, we will drive them out. well, this, this is also an approach. understand, that is, it is always a question of what we are talking about, about the principle of international law, about guarantees of the safety of the population that lives on this or that territory, that's also important, right? we will mention karabakh, azerbaijan has restored its territorial integrity, absolutely internationally recognized, but by completely evicting the population that lived in this territory, at the moment, well, international law is when you restore the borders of the state, but at the same time you give opportunities to people who there is simply... ordinary

civilians, a guarantee of safety for living where they are, there is no other way, well, in normal international law, now we live in a completely different of international law, as you can see, that is, it is also very important, an important situation that we have to talk about, i do not believe that trump will be able to pay off putin, because to think that trump can pay off putin with four ukrainian regions and crimea is to agree with the fact that this is exactly what putin needs, that's why he lashes out. but we understand that it's all a coincidence, all these territories, it's a coincidence, it's just that in 2013, putin managed to gain a foothold in the donetsk and luhansk regions, and not in the kharkiv and odesa regions, because for various reasons, but also the reasons for the corruption of donbas and the connection of its clans, namely yanukovych there, yefremov tsikhanov with moscow, more serious than in odesa and kharkiv regions, precisely because, not because russian people live there, some other people live in odesa and kharkiv, the same people are everywhere. it’s just that

there was a force vertical sharpened much more under moscow, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions, he was simply able to occupy these patches of territory, and imagine that he would have paid off not there, in mykolaiv region and odesa, but kherson and zaporizhzhia, let’s say there with zaporizhzhia would not be luhansk either, they would not be under his control, well, that's how he would like this region, it's not related to the population, it's simply related to certain territories where he managed to gain a foothold, well if we simply believe that brute force is a sign of some kind of population rights, this seems to me a very dangerous approach. we have to take a short break and in a few minutes we will continue this topic. and of course we will talk about orban's visit to kyiv and moscow, don't skip ahead. there are discounts that represent the only ones discounts on entergermin 15% in the pharmacies of travel pam and ochad, her discounts

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continue our discussion. orban, come. this week to ukraine, then flew to moscow. in ukraine, he met with the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi. orbán offered peace again, offered a ceasefire. after that, he flew to moscow, met with putin there, and in principle said roughly the same thing. this is something that many people are talking about this week, and it is probably one of the top topics for discussion. all after all, why did orban come to kyiv, then come to moscow, what was the meaning of these visits, was it, relatively speaking, his personal position in order to show off, to consolidate his status, or, after all, could he convey some information or exchange

between, let's say, some positions, between the ukrainian and russian authorities and vice versa, i don't think that orban is the kind of person who is engaged in shuttlecraft. does not provide for such an open format with press conferences and statements that it became clear to me that between moscow and kyiv has very deep disagreements about the end of the war, by and large it must be said that in this situation there are no real possibilities in how, er... in principle, such diplomacy looks like, i believe that there are many other reasons, these reasons connected with the fact that, as you and i understand, orbán is playing a rather serious game related to,

not only his positions in europe. what is the meaning of this game? well, almost simultaneously with the formulation of this one. on the agenda of this visit, a group was created in the european parliament, which all increasing and increasing every day. there is work in the european parliament, and i think that it will soon have the necessary party, the seventh, this is an absolutely obvious moment, sijin ping was visiting orban. it is obvious that during this visit of the chinese leader to the hungarian capital, the situation related to the presence, say, could also be discussed. yes , the hungarian prime minister, if not in moscow, then in kyiv, because in principle what orbán says is very similar to

the chinese proposal, we see not so much from russian that putin repeats all the time the same thing, that the condition for a ceasefire should be the withdrawal of ukrainian troops from the donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, and china or hungary are talking about a simple ceasefire on the line, they do not demand that we leave somewhere there or that the russians go somewhere were leaving, they just here you are. hey, you have to stop the fire here, and this is absolutely also an obvious moment that we need, we also need to understand. another point is that these are the trips, the meeting, the trip of orbán to marola to trump, the meeting orbán in sidzinpin in budapest, orbán's trip to... moscow to putin, together with the trip to kyiv, they have to convince

politicians, european, far-right, let's say, or just populists, that there can be such a model of existence that you can to meet with trump, putin and sydzenpin, and to be quite, respectable politicians in europe, and even zelensky will meet with you in kyiv. this is the model of what i call chinese europe, not russian. europe, which basically consists of countries that aspire to be members of the european union and even nato, not all, but nato also has a certain part there, because austria is not in nato, and serbia is not in nato, and they are not going there. ot. a europe that hopes for chinese investment, a europe that wants to keep in touch with the united states, but with america. trump, because orban did not even meet with biden when he visited,

they need trump's america, they are preparing for this america, and this europe can function completely calmly, but it was simply, if you like, a demonstration swim that everything can be done that there is no prime minister of a very large european state, which can stop sanctions against russia there and go to moscow, go to kyiv. to receive sidzempin, to go to trump. well, why can't others? you saw that in principle there is the polish law and justice party, it does not want to have any relations with moscow, but this whole other model, ukraine, trump. ugh. and obviously china is there, so that it is possible to agree on investments, it also suits her. true, the law and justice party decided not to join this group that orbán is creating in the european union parliament, obviously precisely because... yaroslav kaczynski is not satisfied with this russian orientation of trump orbán, but

it may suit other participants, say geert wilders, say, the leadership of the austrian freedom party, which is already thinking about what the new austrian government will be like in a few months, maybe marine le pen, you see how we say in principle, we will support ukraine. but no permission to strike our weapons on russian territory, no troops, ugh, this is what the russians can consider constructive, they are also shifting the boundaries of the constructive, previously it was constructive not to supply weapons to ukraine, but now constructive it is possible to supply weapons, but not to hit the sovereign territory of the russian federation, the red lines are moving, and it is important that the russian red lines are there. their lobbyists always, so in principle, i think that this is not about a peace

agreement, the conversation is not about the end of the war, but about the creation of just such a model of the european continent, but it is also extremely beneficial for putin, because from the unshakeable, yes, relatively speaking, the president of so-called russia, we see that putin is gradually moving towards ... that with some politicians and some politicians are ready to go back to shaking putin's hand to a model of normality, because what happens after 2020 . year is an anomaly, well , for russia, and by the way, for reference, while i was on the air, in fact, there is such an analytical center in ukraine, and today they published information that orban's group in the european parliament will actually be created, and it is announced about

what will be there, at least take... 39 deputies and the austrian freedom party, six deputies, the danish people's party, the spanish vox party, the dutch freedom party, the portuguese freedom party , the hungarian christian democratic people's party, and, by the way, the hungarian fidesz should join there and czech ano-2011, that's how many there are already, it's already seven, that is, in fact, they allegedly announced that after all. the group will either be created, or created, or on the way to creation, well, if there are seven parties, then there are seven countries, yes, seven countries should be for regulations, of the european parliament, this is the situation, so in fact what you are talking about is gradually becoming a reality, and of course it is beneficial for putin

to have such politicians come to moscow, shake his hand, talk with him about something . another statement, if we're talking about this as well, mr. fico, the prime minister of slovakia, went public for the first time after he was assassinated and spent more than a month in the hospital, he actually supported orbán and said what he would join to the leader of hungary, if he had such an opportunity, that is, this is another, in fact , person... in the european political community, who is ready to join this formula of putin shaking hands, and in fact we can see, even without entering this faction, yes , without even entering, this is another branch, and this is another, another leader, another politician also from a small country, who is essentially ready to meet

putin, talk with him, and legitimize him afterwards. delegitimization in 2022 and even after delegitimization after presidential election? well, i think that you see, these are only the first couple of parties, you mentioned these parties to me, let's say, i suddenly remembered that these are far-right, they have always been such a completely marginal political force in the country for quite a long time, and there was only one island, uh, well the data generally consists of the islands of jutland, where they always got most of theirs. i never understood why, because it was a small island on which there were never any migrants, but they cheered for all of denmark, so to speak, these the inhabitants of this island, and this party played a historic role, joined this group, and this group legitimized itself, so this is an important thing, but if we say blankly,

what to expect from this conditional group in the european parliament, it is clear that they will not to have... some decisive role, but it is clear that they will carry certain theses, some certain position in the european parliament, or it can be assumed that it will be to some extent a position, if not a russian position, then at least some narratives of the russian federation will appear in the information space and politics of the european union and the people's republic of china, yes. yes, i would say it is more dangerous for europe, yes, because european leaders emmanuel macron was in beijing, remember , gongzhou hosted sidzenpine, and now george melanie visited china, olaf scholz went there, you understand, and precisely chinese narratives are even more dangerous than russian ones, because with russia so to speak, everything is clear, but not everything is with china, and then there is

another important point, it seems to me that it is important for the russians. in george melena from her with an obvious anti-russian position , claimed to become the most influential leader of the right-wing radical forces in europe, and now orban is doing everything to prevent this from happening, so that there is an alternative, so that these right-wing forces, so to speak, split up and so that he himself, perhaps, in the future... claimed the role of the leader of such right-wing forces, of an ultra-right character, but he was expelled from the european people's party, and everyone believed that he would bow down to melon, to lipen, he became divided. their groups, and now it's a very interesting moment, if really this party,

marine le pen will join the european parliament, it will be one story, we will see it after the parliamentary elections, above all in france, and if not marine le pen, if marine le pen refuses, and there will be, say, an alternative for germany, uh, what a very large faction in the european parliament, and orbán is ready to accept, well, this is a good question. "this is a good question, even more tainted, yes, yes, yes, well, that's the point, i don't know, we'll see, it will be such a moment of truth, an alternative for germany now without anyone, again, orbán's efforts deprive her of potential allies, because all these parties that could go under one roof with an alternative for germany, they will most likely go to orbán, well, it is more solid, more moderate yes, babis can return to the position of prime minister of the czech republic, and you know,

the portuguese and spanish right-wings are now starting to play a decisive role in the right -wing camp, because they have a golden share in both countries, without them the right-wing camp cannot rule, and it will only increase as you do you understand, with vox, and with sheg. it becomes absolutely obvious, i would say such things, but there are parties even more right-wing, here we are talking about vox, and the alternative for germany serves a faction shared with another spanish right-wing party, which has less space than with voxame, the letter of this right-wing party far-right, has its own channel in telegram, and at the expense of this channel in telegram, ugh. was he able to lead his faction to the european parliament? we very often underestimate russian efforts, because as for his absolutely wild xenophobic position everywhere

blocked, but not udurova, and in fact, with the help of such resources, it is possible to create, as it turns out, factions in the european parliament and change europe, well, there is a whole series, by the way, of examples, when currently in the elections to the european parliament , candidates were elected who they made the basis of social networks, or in general anti-system social network politics, yes, that is, they de facto promoted themselves exclusively in social networks, and they won, they are, by the way, there are several such personalities in the european parliament. another very an important topic is the elections in great britain, there is actually a historic victory for the labor party, which has not been in power since 2010, they won 412 seats out of 650, that is, they have

an absolute majority in the british parliament now, and in fact, in britain, a new the prime minister, mr. stamer, became the prime minister, and the incumbent, or rather the now defunct prime minister, rishi sunak, he admitted his defeat. and resigned, very interesting elections in great britain, because really for 14 years the party that was originally led by boris johnson ruled, we remember, yes, we, we actually saw how johnson's political power, how the conservatives actually triumphed in 2010 and were re-elected many times. moved around several times and there was still no johnson there , probably in the 10th year, yes, there was theresa may, theresa may, yes, theresa may and boris

johnson, we saw how this political force was re-elected several times, both to local parliaments, to local self-government bodies, and to the british parliament or even cameron who won then in the 10th year cameron if i don't i'm wrong yes, cameron, cameron was in 2010, the next one was theresa may, then boris johnson, then, lees truss, lees truss, and then you decide sunok yes, that is, practically the only two elected prime ministers elected in the elections will be only cameron and boris johnson. and we really see such a situation, of course, that it probably does not affect aid to ukraine, because the position of both labor and conservatives. it is almost the same in relation to ukraine, but still, interesting elections and interesting results, how they will affect, in general, the great

britain, on... the european union in relations with the european union of great britain, well, if we are talking about ukraine, do you share the opinion that there will be no change in the policy of great britain regarding ukraine, no change in great britain regarding ukraine will be, the ministers of tinov's government visited ukraine several times, by the way, before all these elections, their position was always the same as the government's position, they always said that... that they accept this common position, and it seems to me that this absolutely obvious things, the importance of the british elections is not in ukrainian support, in the role of great britain, because i think that the role of great britain in world politics, thanks to brexit, thanks to the conservatives, it has decreased quite significantly, and this must also be realized that if

great britain was in the union, it was much more serious and strong, the support was greater, because everyone likes to say in our country, oh, if great britain was in the european union, it could not support us like that, on the contrary, everything would be exactly the opposite, i already not talking about the fact that the uk's economic capabilities have suffered significantly since brexit, even when we talk about the armed forces, the money is simply not there because it is in deep. unless you call it another word that is not used on television, let's really look at what has happened in the last 14 years in the uk. david cameron, the prime minister at the time, and he's been the british foreign secretary for a few months now, a very good one, as we've seen as a foreign secretary, he's strong politician, he decided that great britain,

the conservative party of the great... britain is in danger from the populist independence party led by nigel farage. and that these supporters of britain's exit from the european union can take votes away from the conservatives. and he decided to ride on this agenda, to say that the conservatives themselves will be tougher on the european union and will even hold a referendum on membership in the european union. there was no need for that. there was no legal necessity, but the cameraman had an idea that he would conduct referendum, the british will vote against leaving the european union, farage will be marginalized and it will be possible to move forward with the post. it didn't happen like that, i thought, why? and because as soon as this conversation about the european union began, many of those conservatives

who were somewhere on the... bottom, who were considered marginal, who were considered adventurers, here is a prime example, this is boris johnson, they realized that their star had come time that if they themselves support the agenda of britain's exit from the european union, they will take that role in a party they would never have had in their lives and they actually betrayed cameron and the leadership of the conservative party, everything turned out as they thought, boris johnson. supported the exit from the european union alongside nigel farage and other figures there that we now see in the conservative party, these are all brexiteers who have now lost power, most of them brexiteers, supporters of brexit, those people in the conservative party who were against leaving, they were effectively marginalized, david cameron resigned the day after the referendum, and with him, as you understand, the entire echelon of people who made a career in the conservative party and came to power.

random people who were just opportunists, boris johnson, lis truss, rezhunok, whom no one in particular has ever heard of, and a lot of names that you can name, now their names don't matter, because all these people, all these po my fruit and mine ended up in a non-british parliament, and some, like boris johnson, with a forever tarnished reputation for... the economy, now, when we look at the table of the situation in the british economy, in various sectors of the economy, social life, medicine, in everything, there are tens, and somewhere hundreds of percent, this is such a level of crisis, they say that margaret thatcher raised.