and random people came to power who were just opportunists, boris johnson, lis tras, rechisunok, whom no one in particular has ever heard of, and many other names that can be named, now their names do not matter, because all these people, all these let's applaud them, they found themselves in a non-british parliament, and where, some, like boris... johnson forever with a tarnished reputation as a well-deserved liar of great britain and the surrounding area, but this whole story with the exit harmed the british economy. now, when we look at the table of the situation in the british economy in in various fields of economy, social life, medicine, in everything. there are tens, and sometimes hundreds of percent changes everywhere. this is the level of crisis that margaret thatcher is said to have raised. great britain from the economic ruins,

but there was no such thing as now, no such fall as now, in fact, even after boris johnson, theresa may came, who tried somehow to soften this story, to find some common language with the european union, these brexiteers kicked her out, and then boris johnson came and started to break everything, practically break the country at the knees, i know that ukrainians love boris johnson very much because he used ukrainian themes. in order to show off on all the television screens in europe, and he understood that his support for ukraine, one might say, would give him the opportunity to stay in the position of prime minister, which he did, by the way, he bought himself a few months there with that support, i think it was genuine support by the way, because you know, you can be an idiot in domestic politics, support brexit just for the sake of having power, lie about...

his parties during the coronavirus, but at the same time sincerely hate the imperialist aggression of russia, why not, this does not contradict the other, i think that boris johnson was absolutely sincere in his support for ukraine, this is what happens in politics, politics is not it's not a one-wheeled thing, it's a multi-colored thing, that's the result that we have at the end of this whole adventure with the exit of britain from the european union. the conservatives are virtually destroyed as a political force, and they, by the way, got, so to speak, the lowest result in the entire history, in the entire history, there in fact, 100 or more mandates, well , imagine, a political party that took 300, 350, 400, always traditionally for 400 years, for hundreds of years, actually dropped to a level here. with the liberal forces that never,

never, never had high support, we're talking about the last, about our time, was a liberal democrat and was prime minister of great britain, so to begin with, i have on look at our history, at least our life with you has been there for 50 years, 30 years, well, in fact, since the post-war period, there have been no liberal democrats. the second party, they had a time when they could have become a third party, now it's the time of the polls, most of their ministers, as i said, have left parliament, and everyone is incredibly glad that these people are gone, because they are odious people, in general , mostly odious. figures in british politics,

anecdotal characters, by the way, well, it's hard to say that about rish sunyk, he is a talented manager, of course, in the economy, he's just not a politician, but when they found out that tras' letter lost her parliamentary seat, she lost the election, you know, prime minister great britain, it's a shame in general, there was simply joy of almost everyone, and the people who gathered in this hall applauded this. and there is another important point, all this, you could say, was organized, all this madness, to stop nigel farage. so nigel farage now ended up in the parliament, and he was never there, when david cameron arranged this whole referendum and did all this, nigel farage was not in the parliament, the party of independence of great britain had no chance to be an mp. now,

to understand, they have four seats, right? but this is a majoritarian system. you can look closely at their votes, at how many people voted for them, and we 'll tell you how many. millions of people voted for this reform party, the right-wing party, which wasn't the case before brexit, when they were just a uk independence party, they didn't get a tenth of the votes they got now, and one more thing, there's one person , who after the elections in great britain were congratulated on a decisive victory and said that she would be with nigel farage, not keir starmer . did not mention, this person is donald trump. it was donald trump who congratulated nigel farage on his election victory. that is , donald trump is interested in these four places, he is not interested in labor's great britain, keir starmer's great britain. and

this is also an interesting moment. and if britain were in the european union, it would depend so much on the fact that there is a candidate for the post of president of the usa. duma there is, and now they are all in awe of this, because they are betting on some kind of strategic partnership with the united states, and the united states, if it will be the united states of trump, may not be interested in a strategic partnership with the united kingdom, in which labor will rule a strategic partnership, and this must be clearly understood and said, and how can it be that the president of the united states will not be invited to the white house the prime minister of great britain, and just since... how long has it been since the president of the united states, joseph biden , has invited the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu, to the white house, i think it's been two years already, and somehow everyone lives, but in there is simply no ideologist in the strategic partnership between israel and the united states, well , they started talking on the phone after october 7,

well, because you can’t not talk, if there is something similar in britain, the president of the united states, too, i think trump will also call, if everything is okay, yes as if it will not be easy to know where this london is, so what else is the threat. why was british european integration so important in the first place, i am of course very sorry, you know, keir starmer was exactly the politician who said that it should be re-referendum, the leader of the party at that time, corbyn, was against it, and starmer, who was the deputy leader, was in favor, and here is my next question for you, mr. vitaly, can we expect that in this ... term of the new parliament, during the government of the new cabinet of great britain , such a referendum can be held, it cannot be, it is a closed issue in general, in great britain, all these referendums take place, well, let's say this, within the framework

of generation, uh, i don't think that the closest there is in 5, 10, 15, 20 years, some... referendum on the accession of great britain to the european union. the europeans aren't really into it after this story, the british won't do it, so i think it will happen someday. however, this is not a question of the tenure of the current government or even the next one, no one even during the election campaign, i say that starmer was such a supporter of the european union, and when all this happened, he stopped talking about it, because he realized that now in these conditions is impossible without loss. some for the labor party to organize such and such a referendum, in the labor party itself there is no unity in the party because of this, and there is another point which, by the way, postpones the need to hold this referendum, and it is also related to this election, it is an absolutely incredible failure of the scottish national party. the scottish national

party, as we know, has always been a driver of scottish independence, and after the united kingdom, er, it left the european union. the scottish national party began to say, listen, you deceived us, when we held the referendum, we wanted to stay in the united europe, but now it turns out that you left the united europe and took us with you, so we want to go back to the united europe. so, it turns out that the scottish national party practically lost most of its votes in the parliament of great britain in favor of labor. ugh. and that. that she may lose power in scotland in favor of labor, and this means that there is no danger of a referendum, the situation in northern ireland has changed, also in an absolutely incredible way, because the democratic

june party, which was generally the center the political influence of supporters of the preservation of northern ireland in the possession of great britain, it lost its position. there was a dramatic moment on the night of the vote, even in the morning, when it became clear that... one of the representatives of the paisley political dynasty, which created this democratic yuan party, lost his seat in the british parliament, which he and his relatives had been elected there for 50 years , people with the surname pesley, and now he has lost his seat, this is a real political land trust in northern ireland, but what does that mean? it means that there is an opportunity for more harmonious cooperation. between catholics and protestants, because these forces,

let's say, they are losing little by little the zionist influence, and the most serious party now in northern ireland is the sinn fein party, they do not sit in the british parliament, this is also a very interesting thing, they have now received seven mandates , which will not be implemented, because they believe that the british parliament is a foreign parliament for the irish, that it should be swamped. so that no one could take the seats irish people, but do not go there, because the british parliament does not have to decide the issue of the irish people, and this is also an interesting one, there are a lot of such interesting moments that are happening, but these are definitely moments that are not related to european integration, that is, ireland the north of great britain may lose regardless of what happens with its european integration, because this is an old, age-old dispute over aalst, and i think it will be resolved. "when there will be more ethnic irish, catholics in the north ireland, there will most likely be new

referendums, and this territory will join the republic of ireland, this is an almost inevitable process, and scotland can now be said to have digested this situation with brexit. it is often said in british politics that indecision is also one of the reasons why rishi sunak's party lost. e.e. the problem of migration, which is quite acute, including in great britain. what do you think these policies will look like under labour? softer. labor is always much more had a calmer attitude towards migration than the conservatives. and the conservatives by and large made the fight against migration the slogan of their anti-european policy, just like nigel farage, by the way. and then it turned out that they are not able to solve this problem, and one more thing turned out that the exit of great

britain from the european union does not solve the migration problems, this is what was said before this exit, that you will not get rid of anything, only make the situation worse , well, i think that now it will be necessary to do everything possible so that in this situation, which has developed in... in for british politics to start, i would say, to solve the urgent problems of the british economy, migration is of course also part of these problems, because it is necessary that people who came to great britain at least receive the opportunity to adapt jobs, so that there is a fight against illegal migration, to have legal migration clearly defined in a bureaucratic way, because you know that there are a huge number of problems with that, too, and here's the story that was connected with that, which is big. britain was a big supporter of ukraine, but let's say to get to great britain, as you

know, it took whole special stories with commissions from people who were willing to accept you, right? yes, actually people who got to great britain, and there are quite a lot of such stories, they told how difficult it was for them to do it and how much more difficult your, in general, institutional adaptation of these people. on the other hand, unlike the european union countries, but but, but you know what's interesting is that unlike scotland, because in scotland your guarantor was the scottish government, that's also a very interesting point, that it could be solved at the level of scotland , as in the european union, because the initiator of solving all these problems was the scottish government, so in fact, if you want to solve these problems, you can solve them, and probably the last question in this block. still, which surprised me personally, because we are used to the fact that

many politicians like to hold on to their seats, rishi sunak had the opportunity to hold on until the end of the year, at least legally the elections could not be held in july, but relatively speaking, the last possible date elections, if i'm not mistaken, it's the end of december, i understand. that he thought it was that inflation started to come down, it was a chance for him to get a better result, uh, because he could, as an economist, think that it was a... short-lived process, that it might start again after the summer vacation, uh, to go in the other direction and while there is such a trend, he decided to capture this trend, there could be such an idea, it is absolutely not political, it is an economic calculation, this once again indicates that rishosunok was rather an economic manager, than, than

boris johnson was a politician, a politician, a populist, well, we see, it all led to this, because there it was possible to talk about both love and hatred, as you can see, from love to hatred for boris johnson one step the politician keir starmer is just very, you know, he is such a poor politician, but maybe such a politician is just after boris johnson and needed, the great british people say that this is a non-star personality, he is such, i would say, a party bureaucrat, but on the other hand right away you need to solve problems like them the libertarian government will decide, we don't know, but it is the last libertarian prime minister. tony blair was such a political star that even boris johnson cannot be compared to, and gordon brown, tony blair's successor, was already such a party bureaucrat, well, we see, by the way, we see that this did not save the conservatives , so actually from

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tuesday to friday from 20 to 22. free politclub, live ether, we are back and continue the discussion with vitaly portnikov of all the most important events of this week. the united states of america, the debate, the election, it would seem that everyone has already discussed the debate, it would seem that the consequences are already quite clear, but as we can see, as they say, it is still thundering, i am not going anywhere, - says biden. but we see that this position is not shared by everyone in the democratic party, we see that this internal shake-up still continues in the democrats, we see that ... there are votes against biden, and we see that the polls that were released, at least in recent days,

suggest that trump has added a little in his ratings, although in reality this does not significantly affect the final result, which is still unknown. let's start, perhaps, with the situation in the democratic party, its experience. shakes, there is the position of donors, there is the position of individual senators, there is the position of journalists who are close to the democratic party, i would say to the left camp of the democratic party, well, yes, that is, there is the position of ordinary democrats, and this position is currently not the only one, in the same time biden says he's not going to step down. election race, he demonstrates that he continues to meet with voters, to give interviews, to demonstrate confidence that everything

is fine, what this may lead to, what other upheavals the next few weeks, at least until the beginning of august, when it will be necessary to finally check, so to speak, in the elections, they can expect biden and his political. you know, i think it's very simple: if biden chooses to stay in this fight, the democrats don't i will go somewhere. biden, as we saw in his interview with yesterday's abc channel, he clearly said that he is not going to leave the shitholes and that he does not believe in all these negative ratings that the host of this interview told him about, he does not believe, our polls show otherwise, biden said. the journalist said that he has a 38% rating in the polls, so this is an absolutely accurate assessment

of the situation with the mood of biden and with the mood of the democrats, that is, the democrats have to decide for themselves a simple thing: whether they want to vote against trump or not, in this is the logic of elections, you will not be able to prove to anyone'. what more i would say an energetic trump is better than a less energetic biden. this is such a choice. republican supporters are saying: you saw, they decided to vote for trump before this debate. these debates did not convince them of this, they already knew everything. if people are willing to vote for, not just trump, a first-time candidate for office. president, and for trump after storming the capitol, you can have any debate, you won't convince them of anything, voting for trump is a political diagnosis, with an absolute

lack of understanding of the consequences. now there is one more important point to emphasize. in any case, voting in the united states takes place in three states. so that it was not, or whatever it was, so that it would be for debate. the american political audience is divided into supporters of democrats and supporters of republicans. this is the legacy of the civil war and subsequent political processes. it is not directly related to trump or biden. there are several states in which this is not so pronounced. as you know, they change hands in hands if donald trump had not won these states in 2000 16 16, he would not have been president. united states, the president of the united states was bill clinton. joseph biden returned these states to the democrats. if donald trump wins them now, he will be

president. if he loses them, he will not be president. no amount of debate will change that. he can win every debate and lose three states. three, how many there are, wisconsin, michigan and not, and arizona. on pilsylvalia, even so, i think, but it is called there, someone says three, someone says seven, i understand that among these seven key ones there are these three, these three, yes, well, well, we will count even seven, this, but this is the logic of the american election campaign, you can brilliantly hold elections, you can get a majority of the electoral votes like hilary clinton, trump never got a majority of the electoral votes, but he became president once and he didn't, both times he had a minority of the popular vote. voters arithmetically and what? so this isn't a story about debate, it's a story about how far it will go to conduct a proper campaign in these states,

of course, the debate will be tempered by... the mood of the people in these states, that is clear, but it is also not known to what extent, what is the most important thing there, the debate, let's say, whether their economic level or some issues of migration, it should be a specialist in every such story, and do you remember this recount of votes in the last elections in pennsylvania , he was, it seems, well, they were generally 50 to 50 there, and why then are the democrats shaking so much, there are different currents. relatively speaking, they are trying to beat the water, that is, they are trying promote, someone is trying to promote their candidates, because it is said that two or three people are already appearing in the press, and even among these donors, here are the donors, in particular, they talk about the fact that they would like to see the governors of either michigan or california instead biden, why do they say that,

is there any? that's their logic, but these people didn't win the primaries for democracy, yes, yes, yes, it's not the donors who determine who should be the presidential candidate, but the democratic supporters, for some purpose now actually are engaged in disunity, well, because the democratic party has a large and noisy left wing, ugh, which now believes that it can take revenge, and this is also related to the matter. very moderate in relation to the situation that has developed in the gas sector, and as a result they will not bring to power donald trump, who will not be moderate in relation to the situation in the gas sector, but i will say that the israelis clean it up without thinking about the consequences, so it will be with theirs foolish position, instead of supporting a centrist approach, they will give

an opportunity for trump. the gas issue as he understands it, you probably have no doubt that trump does not even support netanyahu, but the far-right in the israeli government, shib gvira observes that these are his real political allies, and it is to such people that donald trump will give carte blanche to solve the palestinian issue, and the memory on the campuses of american universities depends on this palestinian issue, that's how it will be, but they...some people like it, well, it's their problem, who cares? it's hard to understand why they decided instead to discuss this situation with a debate in one's own circle, to start such a panic, although i will repeat again, i believe that these statements of the editorial colleagues of the new york times or the economista are not statements related to reality, statements related to exploitation of reality by the left, uh, political circle in the democratic party, if you read everything

these people write, well, it's... their position, you see that it's not about biden's age, it 's about biden's position, again let's not tell ourselves that the issue of biden's age does not exist, as problems, there are, there are, but it is possible to find out, they must have only seen it at the debate, when they supported him for his nomination, why didn't anyone talk about it, then suddenly they got into some kind of reality, oh, biden turns out to be 81 years old. and you didn't see his passport, you looked at it before that, well, you have to remember again that the person who, how to say it, who opposes biden, is not a boy either, trump is 78 years old, if he is this elected president, he will be inaugurated in 79, and will finish his term in office

president at the age of 83. if biden is elected president, he will be inaugurated at the age of 82 and will graduate at the age of 86, you can find out what is the significant difference for all these people at the age of 83 and at the age of 86, well, fundamental, that is , i understand if we were talking about someone's paratrooper or niki haley, listen, these are two, two very senior politicians, both, this difference, it's quite illusory. and it most likely simply comes from some imposed stereotypes that trump is such a lifer who turns out to be a young man, as they believe in russia, by the way, to be great a part of russian society considers zhivchikovy to be putin's young man, who no longer looks, look, he runs, he jumps, he...