the nation that has united around you, we continue the political club program on the espresso tv channel, vitaly portnikov is with you, well , in fact, the first results, even of the french elections, are already appearing. to be, yes, it is because there are overseas territories, republics, you ask yourself, how can this be the overseas territories of france, and in these territories and voting takes place, of course, understood, in another time zone, and the announcement of the election of deputies from appear much earlier than in all the rest of france, that is, all the rest of france is still voting, is waiting for the exit polls, finds out what is going on...

it turns out, here are already the first, first results of the elections, let's say, there on the island of reunion, the candidate from the left new people's front, emeline bidzi, was re-elected with 61% of the votes and ahead of the candidate from the national unity, well, let's see how it will look on the scale of this france, and we will talk now with yevhen chory, honorary consul of ukraine in montreal, president of the world congress of ukrainians in 2008-2018 , congratulations mr. yevhen, good evening, glad to hear from you that we can't see, but i hope now we will see, oh, congratulations and see, so let's talk about the decision of the european court of human rights, which ruled in favor of the world congress of ukrainians in the case against the russian federation regarding undesirable organizations in russia, explain to us the essence of this decision, mr. vitaly, thank you , primarily for the invitation to your program, in 2000. in the 19th year, the general

prosecutor's office of the russian federation recognized the activities of the world congress of ukrainians as undesirable on the territory of the russian federation, and therefore the ministry of justice of the russian federation federation included the ukrainian world congress in its list of undesirable organizations. what does this mean, when the activities of the organization are recognized as undesirable, it is forbidden to implement projects in russia. and distribute any content through the mass media or the internet, the website of the organization is blocked on the territory of russia, and from 2021 , citizens of russia, including the ukrainian community or ukrainian communities in the russian federation, are prohibited from participating in the activities of the organization even outside the borders russian federation and not reach it'. these

restrictions entail first administrative, and therefore criminal liability, for the first violations there is a threat of fines, and persons who repeatedly violate this legislation or organize the activities of an undesirable organization may face various types of criminal penalties, including fines, forced labor and even deprivation will, it meant. in fact, in 2019, the world congress of ukrainians could not normally continue its ties with the ukrainian community in the russian federation, according to e according to the european convention on human rights, in order to be able to appeal such a decision to the european court of human rights, all instances in the russian federation must be exhausted, therefore the world... in october 2019, the congress of ukrainians

filed a lawsuit against the general prosecutor's office and the ministry of justice of the russian federation in the tversky district court of the district court in moscow the court, predictably , the teversky district court of moscow decided that the activities of the world congress of ukrainians deserved such recognition as an undesirable organization. and turned in his decision special attention to the following activities of the world congress of ukrainians. first, the promotion of anti-russian political initiatives to return crimea to ukraine, the message, calls for strengthening sanctions against russia, carried out by the campaign to review the so -called common history of russia and ukraine and.

the so-called undermining of canonical orthodoxy in ukraine. the second, second type of activity is the holding by the president of the world congress of ukrainians at that time. and this was me at that time, 147 international trips to the 51st country in the world, where about 1500 bilateral meetings, during which i called, as the president of the world congress of ukrainians for the protection of the territorial integrity of ukraine from russian aggression, to take effective measures in connection with the occupation of crimea and part of eastern ukraine. for strengthening sanctions against the russian federation and suspending the construction of the nord stream 2 gas pipeline . the third type of activity is a violation in 2018 at the events of the parliamentary assembly of the council

of europe, the world economic forum in davos and the european commission and the united nations various shares in relation to one but the occupation of crimea, regarding the suspension of the construction of the northern stream 2 and the introduction of sanctions against the russian federation. and the last type of activity is our external global campaign red card for putin during the 2018 fifa world cup, which the court said was actually carried out. to put pressure on the russian power structures. in its decision, the tver district court of moscow also referred to a letter from the fsb, which stated that the world congress of ukraine, has

destructive nature and poses a threat to the foundations of the constitutional order and security of the russian federation. the world congress in... this is the decision of the tver district court before the moscow city court, the second cassation court of general jurisdiction of the russian federation, the supreme court of the russian federation and finally before the presidium of the supreme court of the russian federation, and each time these appeals of ours were rejected by the court in the russian federation, so we are on the 26th. since august 2021, we sent our complaint about rights violations to the european court of human rights of the world congress of ukrainians and our vice-president, who defended, defended, i apologize, the world congress of ukrainians in

the courts of the russian federation. on march 6 , 2023, the european court of human rights consolidated the scu case with 82 similar complaints, and among the applicants were organizations such as the ukrainian world congress, which were declared undesirable, as well as individuals who were convicted in the russian federation for their activities in undesirable organizations. the court decided what it will consider. this question is based on whether the organization is recognized undesirable violates articles 10 and 11 of the european convention on human rights, article 10 provides that everyone has the right to freedom of expression, and article 11

provides that everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association with others . therefore, on june 18, 2024 , the european court of human rights issued a decision in which it stated that by recognizing the world congress of ukraine as an undesirable organization, russia violated article 11 of the european convention on human rights regarding freedom of assembly and association, which the court interpreted in your against the background of article 10 of this convention on freedom of expression. in its decision , the court also decided that the intervention related to the recognition of the applicants' organization, including

the world congress of ukrainians, as undesirable, does not meet the criterion of legality due to unpredictability and'. the possibility of arbitrary application, and in the end the court also decided that the national legislation of the russian federation did not provide. organizations, applicants, including the world congress of ukrainians, sufficient and effective guarantees against abuse, its power, and on the basis that it was possible to put those organizations in a vulnerable position through arbitrary accusation, without the organizations having the right to ... to an appropriate preventive or meaningful appeal, this was

the decision of the european court of human rights person on june 18, and it will become final in 3 months if the russian federation does not appeal it to the grand chamber of the european court of human rights. but i understand correctly that the russian federation simply does not recognize the echr, and therefore may not comply with any of these decisions. the european court of justice decided that , in addition to the fact that the russian federation does not recognize either the convention, or this court and this convention, that since it was at the time when those actions were taken, when the scu was recognized as undesirable, at that time , the russian federation was part of that system, it recognized that the court has the right to make that decision. to do and that the committee of ministers, which is responsible

for these issues, has the right to request that the russian federation comply with the court's decision. obviously, mr. vitaly, we understand that in under today's circumstances, the russian federation will neither fulfill nor recognize it. whether to treat the appeals of the committee of ministers of the council of europe accordingly, today the significance of this verdict or this decision is that the world congress of ukraine or its network will be able to give this decision in front of various international forums as additional proof that the russian federation is authoritarian and imperial , and it threatens... there is peace and stability in the world, and therefore it is in the best interests of the international community

to help ukraine protect its territorial integrity, the territorial integrity of the whole of europe and thereby ensure peace and stability in the world. how will ukraine win this genocidal war that russia started in 2020. in the 22nd year , it will be possible to appeal to the committee of ministers of the council of europe so that russia will implement the decision of the european court and cancel this legislation regarding undesirable organizations and thereby ensure eh, or actually to no no no no no worse. connections between the world congress of ukrainians and its communities

due to the various administrative and criminal liability. and tell me, mr. yevgeny, we literally have a couple of minutes left, but is there anyone to contact in russia right now? in general, ukrainians in russia who can somehow express themselves as a diasporic group? we have, some still communicate with us, but obviously we do not emphasize it, because it is very dangerous for... those people who are in the russian federation, as you can imagine, mr. vitaly, yes, of course , i understand this, and this is an important such point, so that actually organizations as such, which could to be a part of the scu in the russian federation now simply did not remain, well, in fact, we made such decisions to actually protect our organizations in the russian federation that they, now we do not recognize them, nor... they themselves do not recognize that they are members of the world congress of ukrainians, and with us we formally

stopped all activities, this was actually only done in order to protect both these and those organizations and our people in the russian federation, and they themselves operate on the territory of russia, these organizations are outside the scu, it is possible says that there is still something to do, it is possible to be the head of a ukrainian organization in russia, somehow it is difficult for me to tell. mr. vitaly, i think that is extremely limited, thank you, thank you, mr. yevgeny, yevhen choliy, honorary consul of ukraine. in montreal, the president of the world congress of ukrainians in 2008-2018 told us about how the world congress of ukrainians won a lawsuit in the european court of human rights, a decision was made in favor of the scu, which precisely related to the status of so-called undesirable organizations in the russian federation, such

there are a lot of organizations worldwide the congress of ukrainians managed to get a legal decision regarding, i would say. in the legitimacy of the actions of the russian leadership. now we will move to central asia, to india, we will talk with mridula bgosh, the head of the board of the central and eastern european development institute and a teacher of the national university of kyiv-mohyla academy. congratulations ms. maridela. congratulations. so let's start with this important visit. the first visit of the prime minister of india to render modi to moscow since the beginning of the full-scale war, why should modi go to putin now, you can explain to our viewers, unfortunately i am where you are in kyiv, so it is not clear to me why he is leaving, if this is my own position, i think it was not necessary, but, but

why is he leaving, let's be the first ... after the elections, after the re-election of fashion, this will be the first visit, in all these years, that putin had the last meeting in samarkand, in the 22nd year in september, it seems, yes, then, the one that modiy then sat very close there a few meters from putin and began to say that this is not an era of war, if you remember, then i remember that everyone paid attention. uhu, yes, yes, it was noticed that no leader has ever said anything to putin, uh, and that's why, you know, this visit is so serious, very serious processes are taking place in asia during this time, what exactly? putin goes to beijing, but first xi

jinping goes to moscow, then the korean leader also goes to moscow, then putin. and so on, all the way to vietnam, that is, it is already happening that the feeling is that from the european theater of war, and putin needs to do something in asia, or seek support, or there further to destabilize, it is not clear to us, it is rapprochement with china, very, india evaluates it very seriously, it's just that indian politicians, government officials, the west have repeatedly said this. to those leaders that this is a very threatening phenomenon, you do not realize that if it is china and russia together, it is a very scary phenomenon, because it is the second largest economy in the world, china, if it is in support of russia, then it will be very difficult here. it seems to me that there are at least two reasons for his visit: the first

reason is rapprochement with china, perhaps somewhat need to find out. it is also very important to find out that our citizens, citizens of our neighboring countries as well, are being recruited for this war through such unscrupulous agents, and that is why they are even dying there, that is, we already have three deaths, and this question was posed very harshly. to stop the recruitment of such so-called mercenaries, it is impossible to lure our citizens... we talked about it once, maybe it will also be what will be on the agenda of the visit, unfortunately, i will not be able to say it, because it is not made public, but will be, if bilateral issues, then these two issues are very important, because military technology is a large share of russia,

although according to the swedish peace institute, it is from 70%. 6% since 2009, in 2019 it reached 36, that is, it is falling, india is separating from russia, but very gradually, therefore, but still 36% remains, and this is a significant part, besides, there is a lot of such information sensitive, when it comes to military technology, so that if it is transferred to china, you understand that it is the one, and we have border ... problems with china and there are constantly some kind of clashes, this must also be realized, and if, god forbid, it is from taiwan to do something like that between china. it will be a very scary thing in asia, maybe it is, i don't want to justify it like that, but there are many people,

including journalists, who say that once you go there, there was already an article today about what you should say that russian troops are doing in ukraine, what are the problems in general , genocide and all that, that is, we openly talk about it, how important it is in general, for... it is very important, because our people would not like to see, in principle, shake hands with a person who is considered a war criminal, it is a great shame, because our history shows that dictators are so open, well no there was something that was very seriously supported, because in the second world war we fought on the side of... these england, that is, we were colonies then, so you know, this is a very historical thing, and therefore these historical tectonic suva are needed somehow in foreign policy so that

they were displayed, i think for sure these two such questions, and with russia there is a very big interest, russia wants to use these funds, that russia simply put all its hands into our banks. which were accumulated due to the sale of oil, that is, they could not use the opportunities , plus russia has been actively engaged in propaganda for the last two weeks, that is, it is going very slowly, of course it will be another legitimization from russia, but you see the leader of a democratic country was going putin is still being talked about, that is, but one should not forget that... that other leaders talked with putin, literally a day ago in the place where the shanghai cooperation organization was, there was a summit, that's why with

kazakhstan, that's why there are leaders who talk to him, and erdogan is speaking, yours is also speaking, well this hungarian leader orban, through different channels goes, but to me it seems to be going, it’s just that this is such a problematic visit, i would say, in one word, but tell me, it is really fashionable, as indian sources write, to discuss the war in ukraine with putin, and how effective such a conversation can be, because it is said , that this is an important part of the order on the day of this meeting, i don’t think it’s fashionable to have such a person, but what does he say, he will say something like that again, that will happen later... everyone says, as samarkandi said then, it can also be, he can do something two

days ago, at the summit in kazakhstan, they also said that you need to stop the war, everyone says this unanimously, but how to stop it, with what, what, with what intentions, what is the peace plan, a few months ago, even a year ago, there were many people in india . who said, even in europe, that fashion can be a mediator, well, it is also, but then they rejected it after all, he worked exclusively for internal affairs, that is, he has to be re-elected, he has a choice to be, and he believed that this was not his function at all, but what do you think, instead, here he will succeed in achieving from putin the so-called demobilization of those indians who are now serve the army of the russian federation. a whole group of indian citizens who are there lured them, that they were deceived, first of all, they misled them

because they gave some paper that they signed, they did not know where they were going, their agents who said, you have a job, that's all so marketable, and they just misled them , and these people didn't know at all and... this is what you are showing now, these are the videos that he transmitted to hindi through our networks, he records this video, transmits it to the embassy, and there was a very tough conversation about this later in the structure between the ministries of foreign affairs, and everything was done that please return, but you know, from different countries, in the south, there are people in russia who are... sent to fight, there are foreign students who are sent to fight, that is, there are a lot of things that happen that are not allowed international structures, and we can't know, i'm

not... i'm not sure if these people have consular protection, if they have passports, so it's a lot of legal questions, how it's going to be, it's at the level of leaders you can say, return , because these are people who did not know where they were going, they are unconscious, well, this is what i think, will also be such an important part of this visit of the prime minister of india to moscow, let's see, let's see how it will be. to take place, we would like to thank mrid likhoz, the chairman of the board of the western european institute of development, the teacher of the national university of kyiv-mohyla academy teaches development, thank you for being with us, exit pools literally just appeared, exit pools in...

the second round of the 2024 elections in the french republic, so the left forces, according to these exit polls, the so-called new people's front are ahead of the far-right z and emmanuel macron's party, according to these first data, the new people's front for... in the first place in the second round of the elections, it received from 172 to 1,922 deputies, almost as many seats got emmanuel macron's party, from 150 to 170 deputies, and marine le pen's national union party, got from 132 to

1502. place came second in this election, which means that the republicans, the republicans who support marine le pen, can get no more than 12 - 16 places, these places are already included in this amount, which i gave you earlier, exactly. and the conservative republican party, which refused to go along with marine le pen's party, could get between 57 and 67 seats, if that happens, if that happens, then none of political parties of france. will not get

a majority to form the government, neither the left, nor the right, the ultra-right, nor the centrists from the presidential camp. well, now , of course, the question of forming a coalition arises, because many people believed that emmanuel macron's party would have a much smaller number of votes, and we also talked about it, i think. so that there will be a smaller number of votes in this party, but now by and large we see that all this is not the case, that they are almost in a very close situation in this interval, and now the president of france of course, there are real opportunities

to... really help in the formation of a new government and to look for coalition partners in this government, that is, this is now a completely new, new game like this, quite interesting , no doubt, let's see how it will look literally there in a few hours, because you yourself realize that... it's not such an easy decision, now, uh, for the right, it's a big blow, because they were going to win this election, of course, that they're in third place , and not on the first, even without to the majority, this suggests that...