the leader of the right-wing radical forces in europe, and now orbán is doing everything so that this does not happen, that there is an alternative, that these right-wing forces, so to speak, are separated, and that he himself, perhaps, in the future, claims to the role of the leader of such right-wing forces, of an ultra-right character, he was expelled from the european people's party, and everyone thought that he would bow down there. to melony, to lipen, he began to split their groups, and now this is a very interesting moment, if in reality marine le pen will join this party in the european parliament, it will one story, we will see it after the parliamentary elections above all in france, and if not marine lippen, if marine lippen refuses, and then comes in, let's say an alternative for germany, ugh, what a very large faction in the european parliament. we

will see, this will be such a moment of truth, the alternative for germany is now without anyone, once again orbán's efforts deprive her of potential allies, because all these parties that could go under one roof with the alternative for germany, they will most likely to orban, well, it is more solid. more moderate yes, well no, simply because he is the prime minister of hungary, and the leader of the austrian freedom party will soon be the federal chancellor of austria, most likely babis can return to the position of prime minister of the czech republic, and you know, portuguese and spanish the right now begins to play a decisive role in the right camp, because they have a golden share in both countries, without them the right camp cannot rule, and this will only increase. as you

understand, with vox out of the joke, it becomes absolutely obvious, i would say things like that, but there are parties that are even more right-wing, here we are we are talking about vox, and the alternative for germany serves a faction shared with another spanish right-wing party, which has fewer seats than the leader of this right-wing far-right party, has its own channel in telegram. and thanks to this channel in telegram, he was able to lead his faction to the european parliament. we very often underestimate russian efforts, because he was blocked everywhere for his absolutely wild xenophobic position, but not completely, and in fact, with the help of such resources, it is also possible to create, as it turns out, factions in european parliament and change europe? well, there is a whole series of examples, by the way, when now... in

the elections to the european parliament , candidates were elected who made the basis of social networks, or in general anti-systemic social network politics, yes, that is, they de facto promoted themselves exclusively in social networks , and they won, they are , by the way, there are several such personalities in the european parliament, another very important topic is the elections in great britain, there... in fact, the historic victory of labor, which for 14 years have not been in power since 2010, they received 412 seats out of 650, i.e. they have an absolute majority in the british parliament now, well , in fact, britain has a new prime minister, mr. stamer has become prime minister, and the incumbent or rather already inactive prime minister.

he admitted his defeat to rishi sunak and resigned. the elections in great britain are very interesting, because the party originally led by boris johnson ruled for 14 years, we remember, right? we, we actually saw how johnson's political power, as conservatives, actually triumphed in 2010 and... re-elected many times, re-elected several times and there was still no johnson, probably in the 10th year, yes, yes, there was theresa may, theresa may, yes, theresa may and boris johnson, we have seen this political force re-elected several times, both to local parliaments, to local governments and to the british parliament, or even cameron, who won then in year 10, cameron? if

i'm not mistaken, yes cameron, cameron was in 2010, next was theresa may, and already then boris johnson, then lis tra. already decide sunok, yes, that is, in fact, the only two elected prime ministers elected in the elections were only cameron and boris johnson, and we really see such a situation, of course, that it probably does not affect aid to ukraine, because the position and labor and conservatives, it is almost the same with regard to ukraine, but it is still an interesting election and interesting results, how they will affect... in general, great britain, the european union in relations with the european union of great britain, well if we are talking about ukraine, do you share the opinion that

there will be no change in great britain's policy towards ukraine, there will be no change in great britain's attitude towards ukraine, the minister of the tsiniv government visited ukraine, several times, by the way, before all these elections, their position was always as the position was. they have always said that they accept this joint position, and it seems to me that these are absolutely obvious things, the importance of the british elections is not in ukrainian support, in the role of great britain, because i think that the role of great britain britain in world politics, thanks to brexit, thanks to the conservatives, it has decreased quite significantly, and this is also necessary. it is known that if great britain were in the european union and would support ukraine in these positions, the role of the european union would be much more serious and strong, the support would be greater, because everyone likes to say in our country, oh, if great britain was in the european union, it would not be able

to support us like that, on the contrary, everything would be exactly the opposite, i am not talking about the fact that the economic capabilities of great britain are significantly suffered after brexit, even when we talk about the armed forces. there is simply no money because they are in a deep crisis, unless you call it another word that is not used on television, let's really look at what has happened in the last 14 years in great britain. david cameron, the prime minister at the time and now for a few months he was the foreign secretary of great britain, a very good one that we have seen as foreign secretary, he is a strong politician, he decided that great britain. conservative parties of the great britain is in danger from the populist independence party led by nigel farage. and that these supporters of britain's exit from the european union can take votes away from the conservatives. and he decided to ride on this

agenda. to say that the conservatives themselves will have a tougher attitude towards the european union and will even hold a referendum on membership in the european union. there was no way. what necessity, there was no legal necessity at all, but kemer had the idea that he would hold a referendum, the british would vote against leaving of the european union, farage will be marginalized and it will be possible to move forward with a song. it didn't happen like that, i wondered, and why? and because as soon as this conversation about the european union started, many of the... those conservatives who were somewhere at the bottom, who were considered marginal, who were considered adventurists, here is a prime example, this is boris johnson, they realized that they had passed star time, that if they themselves support the agenda of britain's exit from the european union, they will take a role in the party

that they would never have in their lives, and they actually betrayed cameron and the leadership of the conservative party, it turned out in... this is how they thought. boris johnson supported exit from the european union, along with nigel farage and other figures there, whom we now see in the conservative party, these are all brexiteers who have now lost power. most of them are brexiteers, supporters of brexit. those people in the conservative party who were against leaving, they were effectively marginalised. david cameron resigned the day after the referendum, and with him, as you understand, the whole echelon of people who made a career in... the conservative party, and random people came to power who were just opportunists, boris johnson, lis tras, solution, which no one in particular has ever heard of, and many other names,

their names don't matter now, because everyone these people, all these, let's flatter them, ended up in the non-british parliament, and where, some, like johnson, forever tarnished by the reputation of a well-deserved liar of great britain and its surroundings, but this whole story with the exit harmed the british economy. now, when we look at that... situation in... the british economy, in various sectors of the economy, social life, medicine, in everything, everywhere there is an increase of tens, and sometimes hundreds of percent, this is such a level of crisis, they say that margaret thatcher raised great britain from the economic ruins, but there was no such thing there like now, there was no such fall as now, in fact, even after boris johnson, theresa may somehow tried to somehow soften this story, to find some common language with the european union, these brexiteers kicked her out, and then

boris johnson came and everything went to hell break, practically break the country at the knees. i know there that ukrainians love boris johnson very much, because he used the ukrainian theme to show off on all the television screens in europe, and understood that his support for ukraine, one might say, would give him the opportunity to stay in the post of prime minister. minister, which came to the point. he bought himself a few months there with this support, i believe, by the way, that it was sincere support, because you know, you can be an idiot in domestic politics, support brexit simply in order to to have power, to lie about your parties during the coronavirus, but at the same time to sincerely hate the empire and the imperialist aggression of russia, why not, this is one thing, it does not contradict the other, i think that boris johnson in his support for ukraine. was absolutely sincere, this is what happens in politics, politics

is not a one-way thing, it is a multi-colored thing, and as a result, what we have at the end of this whole adventure with the exit of britain from the european union, the conservatives are actually destroyed, as political power, and they, by the way, received, so to speak, the smallest result for all time, for all time. there are actually 100 or more mandates, well , imagine, a political party that has always taken 300, 350, 400 traditionally, over and over for hundreds of years, has in fact fallen to the level of the liberal forces, which have never, never, never had a high support among british 20th century on informed governments.

the conservatives are glad that they remained the second party at all, they had a time when they could ... become the third party now in the polls, the majority of their ministers, as i have already said, left the parliament, and everyone is incredibly happy that these people are gone, because they are odious people in general, even more odious figures in british politics, anecdotal characters, by the way, well, it is difficult to say that about risha sunyka, he is a talented manager, definitely in the economy, he is simply not a politician, but when... everyone, this was applauded by

the people who gathered in this hall, and there is one more important point, you can say that all this was organized, all this madness to stop nigel farage. yes nigel farage now he ended up in parliament, and he was never there when david cameron arranged this whole referendum and did all that. nigel farage was not in the parliament, the party of independence of great britain had no chance to get there. now, to be clear, they have four unlucky seats, right? but this is a majoritarian system. you can look closely at their votes, at how many people voted for them, and we'll tell you how many. millions of people voted for this reform party, the right-wing party,

which wasn't the case before brexit, when they were just the uk independence party, they didn't get a tenth of the votes they got now, and another moment, and there is one person who after the uk election was congratulated on a decisive victory and said she would be with nigel farage, not keir starmer. business, because kiramer was not even mentioned, this person is donald trump, it was donald trump who congratulated nigel farage on his election victory, that is, they are interested in donald trump. him the uk of labour, the uk of keir starmer is not interested, and this is also an interesting point, and if britain was in the european union, it would depend so much on the fact that there is a candidate for the position of the president of the usa, he thinks, and now they are all in awe of it, so what are they betting on some kind of strategic partnership with

the united states, and the united states, if it will be trump's united states, may not... talk about a strategic partnership with great britain, in which labor will rule a strategic partnership, and that it is necessary to clearly understand and say, and how can it be that the president of the united states does not invite the prime minister of great britain to the white house, but simply how long has it been since the president of the united states joseph biden does not invite the prime minister of israel to the white house benjamin netanyahu? it seems to me that it has been two years already, and somehow everyone lives, and in israel the united states is strategic. it's just that there is no dialogue, well , they started talking on the phone after october 7, well , because you can't not talk, if something similar happens in britain, the president of the united states also, like us, trump will also call, if everything is fine, as if he will not simply know where this london is, what else is the threat, why was british european integration so important in general, i am of course very

sorry, you know, keir starmer was the very politician who... said there should be a second referendum, the leader of the liberian party at the time, corbyn, was against it, and starmer, who was the deputy leader, was in favor. and here i have the next question for you, mr. vitaly, whether we can expect what for this term, the new parliament, during the government of the new cabinet of great britain, such a referendum may be held. it can’t be, this is a completely closed question, in great britain all these referendums are taking place, well, let’s say this, within the framework of the generation, uh, i don’t think that in the nearest 5, 10, 15-20 years there will be a referendum on the accession of great britain to the european union. the europeans aren't really into it after

this story, the british won't do it, so i think it will happen at some point, but it's not issue of cadence. no one even during the election campaign, i say that starmy was such a supporter of the european union, and when all this happened, he stopped talking about it, because he realized that now in these conditions it is impossible, without some losses for labor, to organize such and such referendum, there is no unity in the labor party itself, and there is another point, which, by the way, postpones the need to hold this referendum, and it is also related to these elections. this is an absolutely incredible failure of the scottish national party the scottish national party, as we know, has always been the driver of scottish independence. and after great britain, it left the european union, the scottish national party started saying, listen, you've tricked us? when we held the referee, we wanted

to stay in the united europe, but now it turns out that you left the united europe and took us with you, so... we want to return to the united europe, so it turns out that the scottish national the party practically lost most of its votes in parliament of great britain in favor of the labor party, uh, and this means that it may also lose power in scotland in favor of the labor party, and this means that there is no danger of such a referendum, there is no change. the situation in northern ireland also in an absolutely incredible way, because the democratic yuan party, which was generally the center of political influence of supporters of the preservation of northern ireland in great britain, lost its position. there was a dramatic moment on the night of the vote, even in the morning, when

it became clear that... one of the representatives of the paisley political dynasty, which created this democratic yuanist party, lost his town in the british parliament, which he and his relatives have been elected there for 50 years, people with the surname paisley, and now he has lost his seat, this is a real political earthquake in northern ireland, but what does this mean? this means that there is an opportunity for more harmonious cooperation. between catholics and protestants, because these forces, let's say, are gradually losing their zionist influence, and the most serious... now the sinn fein party is emerging in northern ireland, they do not sit in the british parliament, this is also a very interesting thing, they have now received seven mandates, which will not be implemented, because they believe that

the british parliament is a foreign parliament for the irish, that it needs to be swamped so that no one can take the places of the irish, but don't go there, because the british parliament is not supposed to decide the issue of the irish, and this is also an interesting one, there are a lot of such interesting moments that are happening, but this is definitely a moment ... which are not related to european integration, i.e. ireland, northern great britain may lose regardless of what happens with european integration, because this is an old, old, centuries-old dispute of the sault, and i think it will be solved when the ethnic irish, catholics will more in northern ireland, most likely there will be new referendums and this territory will join the irish republic, this is almost not a fleeting process, but scotland... now it can be said that this situation with brexit has been digested in the british politicians often they say that also one of the reasons why

rishi sunak's party lost is the failure to solve the problem of migration, which is quite acute, including in great britain, what do you think this policy will be under labor? which: the liberals have always been much more calm about migration than the conservatives, and the conservatives by and large made the fight against migration the slogan of their anti-european policy, like nigel farage, by the way, and then it turned out that they are not capable of this problem to decide, and one more thing appeared, that the exit of great britain from the european union does not solve migration problems, that is what was said. to this exit, that you will not get rid of anything, you will only make the situation worse, well, i think that now it will be necessary to do everything possible, in this situation that

has developed in british politics, to start, i would say, to solve the urgent problems of the british economy, migration - this is of course also part of these problems, because it is necessary that people who came to great britain at least get the opportunity to adapt jobs, that there is a fight against illegal migration, that there is a clear bureaucratic way of legal migration, because you know there are huge problems with that too, and that's the very history that was associated with the fact that great britain was a big supporter of ukraine, but let's say, to get to great britain, as you know, you needed whole special stories with instructions from people who were ready to... accept you, right? yes, in fact, people who made it to great britain, and there are quite a few such stories, they talked about how difficult it was for them

to do it and how much more difficult your, in general , institutional adaptation of these people, on the other hand, unlike the countries of the european union, but, but you know what's interesting, unlike scotland, because in scotland your guarantor was the scottish government, that's also very interesting. we believe that it could be solved at the level of scotland in the same way as in the european union, because the initiator of solving all these problems was the scottish government, so in fact, if you want to solve these problems, they can be solved, well, probably the last question in this block, though, which surprised me personally, because we are used to the fact that many politicians like to hold... their seats, rishisunaka had the opportunity to hold on until the end of the year, at least legally, the election could have passed

not in july but tentatively the last possible election date if i'm not mistaken is the end of december i understand that he thought that this is when inflation started to come down this is a chance for him to get a better result ugh because he could, as an economist, consider that it is... a short-lived process, that it can start again after the summer vacation, ugh, go in the other direction, and while there is such a trend, he decided to catch this trend, there could be such an idea, this is absolutely not political, this is an economic calculation, this once again indicates that risho sunok is faster was an economic manager, than, than a politician, a politician, a populist was boris johnson, well, we see, all this led to this, because there you can... talk about love and hatred, as you can see, from love to hatred of boris johnson one step. politician kir starmer is just very, you know, he is such a poor politician, but maybe such a politician just

after. johnson is needed by great britain, he says that this is not a star personality, he is, i would say, a party bureaucrat, but on the other hand , problems need to be solved right away, how the khalibari government will solve it, we do not know, the last libertarian prem' er, tony blair was such a political star, in front of which even no boris johnson can be compared, but gordon brown, the successor to... blair was already such a party bureaucrat. well, we see, i rather a strawberry, by the way. we see that this did not save the conservatives, yes, in fact, from a whole series of wrong decisions. ah, we have a short break, and after that we will return with another important topic. let's talk about the united states of america, about the election, about the results of the debate again, and about the ratings. don't

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week. the states of america, the debate, the election, it would seem that everyone has already discussed the debate, it would seem that the consequences are already quite clear, but as we can see, as they say, it is still thundering, i am not going anywhere, - says biden, but we see that not everyone in the democratic party shares this position, we see that it still continues it's an internal shakeup in the democrats, we see that... there are votes against biden, and we see that the polls that have come out, at least in the last few days, show that trump has gained a little bit in his ratings, when in fact it does not particularly affect the final result, which so far remains unknown. let's start, perhaps, with

the situation in the democratic party. it is still shaking, there is the position of donors, there is the position of individual senators, there is the position of journalists who are close to the democratic party, i would say to the left camp of the democratic party, well yes, that is, there is the position of ordinary democrats, and this position is currently not the only one , at the same time biden says he's not going to withdraw from the... from the primary race, he demonstrates that he continues to meet with voters, to give interviews, to demonstrate the confidence that everything is fine, what it can lead to, what other upheavals the next few weeks, at least until the beginning of august, when it will be necessary to make a final check, so to speak, at the election,

can expect biden and his... political power. you know, i think that everything is very.