khrystyna yatskiv, the new week is really starting very hard, monday is starting very hard, we all saw what happened this night, this morning, this day, when russian terrorists once again launched a massive attack across the country, so we understand that this new week and this new monday is very difficult for the whole country, so we... support the families, the victims, the dead, we understand that today it is very difficult to talk about some things, about some events, but we will try to move on and for the sake of ukrainian victory in the light of today and all the events of today, i would very much like to ask you to continue, to join the congregation. which we announce on

the express tv channel, to the meetings that, i don't know, are held by your acquaintances, anyone whom you trust, please convert your own anger, misunderstanding in general, how this can be on this planet, the world of god, convert everything, please, into donations to the defense forces, and i think that all this should only consolidate ukrainian society, today's attack was especially cynical, in my opinion, we will... understand why the russian fables that it was a ukrainian missile or some other ukrainian missile, why it won't work, ukraine has already convened a soviet without the un, it's all connected with attacks on completely civilian infrastructure, on the largest children's hospital in our country, where lives are saved, a baby, by the way, according to information, a baby was retrieved from under the rubble of okhmadita, and we very much

hope that the child will be able to survive. we understand that today we are not only talking about okhmadyt, we are also talking about those on duty pro-energy today we are talking about entire entrances of residential buildings, which were also destroyed, today we are talking about enterprises that are regularly under attack, and kryvyi rih, 11 dead - these are also incredible losses. the long-suffering donetsk region, which regularly suffers and today was no exception. all this will be the focus of our attention. and we will talk about all this in particular with our guests, well, tomorrow, and tomorrow will be the 75th nato summit in washington, where it is unlikely that ukraine should expect any crazy moves towards its membership or some fundamental statements, but unequivocally, unequivocally, this event will have its effect on tomorrow's summit, well, in any case , we understand that the nato summit is important, even unimportant. to the fact that ukraine is unlikely

to be invited to the north atlantic alliance this time as well, but still, our survey today also concerns this summit itself. you can vote, should we expect sensationalism in favor of ukraine at the nato summit in washington? take the survey, if you think so, please be please dial 0800-211-381, if you think not, dial. 700 211 382 all calls are absolutely free. well, let's start, of course, with the military theme. we will start with the terrible shelling that took place today, and we will talk with the first guest. this is ihor romanenko, the founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine. deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine in 2006-2010 , lieutenant general. mr. igor, igor

romanenko, mr. igor, good evening to you, if, unfortunately, it can be called that? on sorry, you can't name it, but i congratulate you, the tv viewers too. mr. igor, i have a question for you, in your opinion, did today's multi-pronged missile-terrorist attack by the russian federation on ukraine differ from, perhaps, many previous ones. we understand that it is genocidal. the practice of a terrorist country, it remains stable, nevertheless, today, i will allow myself to assume, it was a special cynicism, it was a hit, in particular, in a children's hospital, and it is not the only medical institution that suffered today. i agree with you characteristics, but i will characterize it from the point of view of military, first of all, anti-missile defense. in its own way, the attack was planned

uniquely, that is, they accumulated different types of missiles and used them actually from the point of view of a missile strike. first of all, everything they had, namely, they were air-ballistic missiles, which means that they were launched by iskander missiles, from the mik-31, then it was called a dagger, there were also iskander missiles, which were launched by triggers ground installations, there were modern cruise missiles, kha-1, for example, which were launched from platforms, air, and these were here... 95 ms, there were x-22 heavy old missiles, but they have high, high speed, heavy knockdown, so the tu-22 m3, maybe it is one of those which we transferred to the russians at the time, and with the same missiles that were also

transferred by the russians at the time, and i say this so that we remember what, what, who and how did and what is happening now. this should always be remembered in order to behave correctly for the current time and for the future. in addition, these were calibers, a long time ago, so it was not the last one time was needed and they are using them, and they are modernizing the kh101 missiles and calibers, they are not standing still, that is, they know that we have our anti-aircraft missile complexes, which have thermal guidance heads, that is , they use thermal tapes on these. missiles that are already going, if our radiation traps are on proto-missiles, then they carry radio electronic suppressors on the missiles, this is also an improvement, in addition, they launch in such a way that the missiles

fly at a low altitude, it is very difficult to detect and destroy, and collectively this increases the probability of achievement. purposes, unfortunately, this also happened, besides, this is a technical schedule, if it were components, and there is also a time schedule, i draw your attention to the fact that initially six rockets were launched there at night, if, as usual, they are there at night and on in the morning, it all ends, many residents probably thought so, but when the strategic bombers were also raised, they were immediately... it became clear that everything else that we talked about with you would be applied, and it all happened like that, but they flew to morning, exactly back then, when people went to work and so on, and it is about this now that it is appropriate to discuss

the question of what this was done for, that is, in my opinion, this is a military political act of putin and his entourage, they... grew on approaches, dates the soviets, the russian is behaving, that is why to skip the nato summit, where the leadership of our allied countries and nato is meeting , so that it would be clear that under no circumstances should ukraine be allowed to join nato, which means that russia will not allow it, that means that it was necessary to do to organize such a large-scale crime, what did they go to... and now it is important , so the events, yes, the leadership, first of all , of the americans, but also of the leaders of other nato countries, because to this summit, in my opinion , unequivocally, it means that an invitation of any kind will not do anything there side of ukraine, and that

is why they will again walk in circles around this house of natovsky, there they opened the door for us, opened this nato house, which is there, and now we saw that we have to get to the... door and we have to build bridges, over there across the moat, or whatever they see there, will build a bridge, and then we will get there someday. mr. igor, in your opinion, is it appropriate to discuss whether russia targeted okhmadite, it is appropriate, because these are the technical characteristics, the records that are available show that, you yourself characterized it, i join this cynical approach, which is taking place, and it is very important, because ... the behavior of the russians is cynical, we see and the characteristics of many factors that will be needed, i have hope in gas or any legal international body that should evaluate, but we have to see what they do allies, at best case, the issue

of anti-flood defense will be resolved there, it is not only the addition of seven and a half years, seven patriot batteries are being collected, but the americans do not have tens of 80 there somewhere... but this is all european, the americans do not do anything about it, these are batteries, this is a time , secondly, it should be removed, if the ban on f16 and flu is not removed from pepovo, it is... artificially built by the americans, these are two, thirdly, the poles have already joined them, we talked about it a long time ago, why is it called will close the sky of ukraine, because with the beginning of the war we talked about what to give us tools, you don't want it yourself, someone is afraid, someone there for various reasons doesn't want to do it, but let's give it, so what to give in six months, that means seven batteries, a solution for five , and well, they brought one battery from germany, and we see a very strong anti-missile the prophetic defense of the capital, it did not hold back such an influx, because the number is increasing, if we

have been talking for months and years, and still f16 has not lifted the ban, then the russians solve it quite quickly, and we can see it, so the next step is a joint with nato countries, this is a joint anti-air and anti-missile defense, we need to give permission, the americans don’t need anything, we need to give permission to everyone, we know how to do it organizationally and how to do it technically, there is a lot for them to add at least from the point of view of anti-aircraft, anti-missile of defense at this summit. mr. igor, you said absolutely right, and khrystyna said absolutely right, that this is a military-political act, in fact an act of terrorism, and let's take a look at these first minutes, the first hours, when the russians struck the largest children's hospital of ours. okhmadito

let people bring. today we had to take a bone marrow function to confirm the diagnosis, but you were supposed to be under anesthesia, but we know, we don't know what 's on our floor, our doctor said that we can't go back yet, stay where you are now, continue already some instructions or something , some news, literally in a matter of minutes, we just went down, and after a minute or two, this boom sounded, and you know what? i immediately thought of all those good russians who want a beautiful russia

the future, they do not deserve the russia of the future, but that they all fall underground, and the memory of them is lost in the ages, forever, that's what i think when i saw, when i came out of hiding, mr. igor, we just saw. unfortunately, this terrible situation, this act of terrorism, you mentioned the f-16. today we already have july 8 on the calendar, we were promised f-16s for june, unfortunately we still don't have them, no matter how it sounds, but will today's shelling, today's tragedy push us to the fact that our western allies all anyway will dare to... provide ukraine with f-16s at least in the near future, at least

some small amount, because we are waiting, waiting, waiting, it is carried from week to week, from month to month, but the result , unfortunately, so far there is none. unfortunately, the americans built such an algorithm, ah, well, if you and i characterized russian crimes as cynical, then i now. i will not simply characterize you, but let’s see how it works: the algorithm for granting permission and assistance, say, for some weapons and aid is fundamentally ukrainian, i.e. the question is raised in a certain approach, well, in the same way, for example, the f-16, and it is in the queue, when the crimes are more and more russian, more and more deep, more people, and so on, which comes to what... criteria, what they put it on for the current time, then it works and

is removed, for example, banning the hope of their weapons from the borders for 100 km, yes, it worked for a week, the russians removed their objects for 100 km, but not for more, no, and at the airfield from where su-34s fly and cabs are used in our cities, therefore not kharkiv either. and the question arises, how can such behavior be called, and that is, in terms of cabs, we have the biggest problems - cabs, and it's ballistics and not only that, that is, air strikes. which they carry out, and this will not solve the issue only with patriot batteries or the like, but as soon as they entered, all this time they were only the best, old in comparison, the very ones who are immobile, these patriots who need 90 people, and why are they being hit when they are scouting quickly, because they cannot move,

you understand, those franco-italian 14 people, and there are 90 and... until they move, they still the old ones are not adapted to this, they are scouted and beaten, so it is still necessary that the patriots now have an additional system of covering the patriots, you understand, sir - the truth must be shown, and therefore, you are solving the issue, manpads are also needed, and f-16 and again, f-16s are older than gripens and more demanding in terms of landing strips, which we do not have in this capacity. he moves all this more, and the flus were not developed so that, as soon as the war begins, they fly to ground airfields, the swedes built them right away this plane, and dro planes, the swedes 2 said the americans have already banned, say, there is only one left, and i was on their american aircraft carriers, there is a hakai of the

same kind, older, provide a hakai so that the f-16 can be used better, what are you like? america wants to show that it is the best, although the old man is cheap, but what about the sites for all the planes, all the types of planes that you mentioned, going back to the general topic of russian strikes on our airfields, mykola olyschuk, the commander of the air force, recently said, that the russian federation destroyed by iskander m, aircraft models and patriot sams at the dolhintseve airfield, odesa, thank god, here in principle. that's the story, but on the other hand, we remember myrhorod, we understand what is happening in other places, these are different airfields, different facts, that is, there were both, there were airfields where dummies were located, and this is true, and they hit these dummies, they hit the airfields where there were planes that we cannot blow into

underground warehouses, this requires large funds and time, what time is there? not used, but now we won't have time to build it quickly, but we have soviet planes, you will travel on our roads and see, i won't say much about it, like on the highway more or less, who say that everything is not clear, there are bullets, funds, so here are the plots there are highways there, from which you need to take off, and gripins are adapted for this, and we will adapt v16, that's what we will use, only we need to remove these bans on f16. the americans don't give theirs anything, that's why it's necessary to improve all this , it's necessary to achieve what to start, they can still have a year there to tell which ones, how it should be, what to do in order to accept these f16s, but only the americans, and the swedish ones no-no, no, because as soon as they apply it, everyone will immediately see that it is better, and that advertising to

the whole world, what are they talking about, and they have everything set up, they will train thousands of pilots. in a year, and they do not have time to teach 12 ukrainians, stand in line, please, ukrainians, this is the attitude, these are the approaches, and therefore, it is difficult to tell our leadership, i understand this military diplomacy, but there are societies, they are there show when they come to our square, they give us cookies, they play guitars, and their representatives are of a high level, they all want to talk to people, to our people. and it is possible to listen, because the revolution of justice has already taught us to speak the truth, to defend it, here we are telling them the truth, not only that they are with us until the end of panego, today's friend, no, it seems that the third or the second one has lost count , and the attack and alarm in kyiv was connected, according to some information, to the work of intelligence over

the ukrainian capital, but as it turned out, this there was an attack on a duty officer. a medical facility in the dnipro district of our capital, in general, the story of a group with drones that fly very deep into our rear. how big a problem is this, what can we do? i am sure that the air force knows and is already working in this direction, nevertheless, it was the russians who built the reconnaissance-strike complexes, one of the important elements of which were their a50-ti and il-22 aircraft. that is, these are scouts, this is what we talked about with you, now the swedish e- planes of the saab company, which could enable intelligence to introduce and... targeting to give, so, intelligence tools online detect targets, and then the means of destruction strikes, they strike with

iskander batteries, but not only, strike with unmanned, impact ammunition, they spread the lancet, and they work already hundreds of kilometers away, and therefore these strikes on our airfields are the last, they also used, as we know, eh... these unmanned aerial vehicles are comparable at a long distance, that is, before it was tens of kilometers from the border, now it is hundreds of kilometers, where they first conduct reconnaissance the situation, clarify the coordinates, give them the impressions of their means, which could be iskanders, missile weapons, various, not only iskanders, missile weapons, which could be their long-range lancets, they modernized them, inflicts them, and then still photograph the result. work, which means that it is difficult to work afterwards, and you can add to this exactly these swedish planes, which the swedes offered and included two, two such planes in the package, and

it is clear that these swedish planes work better with gripenes, which the americans do not allow, and already not two planes, again reduced so that there was only one, so that it was not so clear and not so effective on our part, these are the recent events, mr. igor? we thank you very much for your thoughts, for the fact that you have allocated your time for us. ihor romanenko, founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine, deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine in 2006-2010 , lieutenant general. and we remind you about our survey, it sounds as follows today : should we expect sensationalism in favor of ukraine at the nato summit in washington. if... if you think so, then pick up your phones or smartphones and dial 0800 211 381, if you think no, then dial 0800 211

382, ​​all calls are absolutely free, at the end of this hour we will collect the first results of our vote, and we already have the next guest, this is oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert of the defense strategies center on foreign and domestic issues. politicians, mr. oleksandr, we welcome you, good evening, congratulations, mr. oleksandr, we were just talking about the attack, the terrible attack that took place on our country today, and we're talking about the washington summit, in general, do you connect these two events, can they be politically connected to demonstrate something of their own during themselves. which one should support ukraine? yes, of course, since war is only one of the means of politics, and there are always

political goals in war, and it is not for nothing that this attack took place after putin's failed french elections and before the day of the summit, on the one hand, putin naturally wanted not to six the results of marie lippin and other similar characters, on the other hand side this is a clear signal to washington and ponat's allies not to say they are restrained, let's put it this way, or rather, i would say that the nuclear deterrence of the russian federation works much better than any strategies that washington has to support ukraine. well, of course, this horror will not go unnoticed, i hope that there will be a reaction from our partners, and above all, to remove it. ridiculous restrictions on the fact that we cannot destroy russian military facilities on russian territory, with american or some other systems, because if you look at

on history, starting from the 14th year, it is just horror, they pushed our partners to do something, first apply more painful sanctions, it all started with the downing of the malaysian boeing mhs17, then what happened in buch and in... the war, it pushed before providing ukraine with more powerful weapons, of course, then there was mariupol, and all these things constantly push our partners to abandon the red lines drawn in their own heads, by them, themselves, which they are afraid to cross in order not to jeez, cause a third world war, it's actually already underway, as we have over 50 countries behind us supporting us. behind the russian federation, unfortunately, there is china, but also small harmful states like iran, north korea, well, of course, what can, if we

look at history, can ... the same thing that actually happened, before the day of the second world war, since putin's regime is clearly already fascist by all indications, it can most likely also be called nazi, since it denies the right to existence of the ukrainian people, and of course, the methods of conducting this war are no different from those used by the nazis. mr. oleksandr, if we are talking about today's tragedy. in the same way, is the reaction of the world adequate, how is the world reacting today to one of the biggest shelling and the most terrorist shelling of our country, is this reaction sufficient? well, so far i have seen political statements on twitter and they are quite positive, and the closer to russia, the more they are tough and correct, and from the point

in view of the appeal of the president of the united states. remove the ridiculous restrictions on the use of weapons on russian territory, and from the point of view that russia should answer for these crimes, although you know, if we look again in history, in the historical context, and the first and second chechen wars, the civilian population was there the object of attacks, and i mean that not only putin and under him, and not only in ukraine he used such brutal methods, which are actually military. crimes, but starting with yeltsin, that is, it is the modus operandi of russian federation, and of course, we must also remember that when our children die, syrian children die on the same day, and assad and the russian air force are killing them there, and we don't see any reason to sneeze at syrian children neither the islamic world, which opposes this, nor the leftists in the united states and in europe, who would go to protests

and call for... something to be done about these two tyrants, unfortunately, and in ukraine, but only that, that it happened in kyiv with a children's hospital, it attracted attention, but in fact such things happen in to ukraine, if not every day, then every other day, and unfortunately, it already, let's say so, does not fall into this information vortex, falls into the information flow and becomes absolutely normal, i... i hope that these terrible shots that we seen, they will push our partners even further in supporting ukraine, and the most important thing is that they will nullify all the so-called peace efforts, and mr. orbán, who is pressuring the war criminal putin, and today the prime minister of india, modi, he is there didn't say a word about this one a crime, he didn't turn his plane around, he

went for... a special strategic partnership, that's it, but of course the world sees what's going on, i hope this is another crime, it will bring to mind those who have forgotten, or who think that what is happening in ukraine has already been normalized, and that it is possible to somehow stop the genocidal war there with some peace initiatives and negotiations with putin, mr. oleksandr, a little about orban and the indian prime minister, orban... recently met with putin, before that he met with zelensky, flew to beijing, looking for the east, actually mr. orban, and if we are talking about india and the prime minister of this country, a visit to the russian federation, india is a democratic country, but it is definitely looking for certain options for existence and coexistence that are beneficial for itself on the same continent with many

key. players, according to orban and according to the indian prime minister, what kind of visits are these and why do they still remain obstacles for the russian president to penetrate somewhere behind the scenes of the civilized world. well, in the external one politics always has a dilemma between values ​​and national interests, if we talk about orbán, he went there not just as prime minister, but... as the head of the eu, and the european union is based primarily on values, and in fact he tried so it was smeared to show that there is some kind of aspiration, that is, of the european union to penalize ukraine for peace talks, the so-called peace talks with the russian federation, but there was a very good reaction of european factors and leaders of european states that he went on his own discretion.