on the same continent with many key players, according to orbán and according to the indian prime minister, what kind of visits are these and why are they still obstacles for the russian president to penetrate somewhere behind the scenes, but still the civilized world. well, in foreign policy there is always a dilemma between values ​​and national interests. if we are talking about orbán, then he left. he went there not just as prime minister, but as president of the eu, and the european union is based primarily on values, and in fact he tried to it was smeared to show that there seems to be some desire, that is, of the european union , to push ukraine to peace negotiations, the so -called peace negotiations with the russian federation, but there was a very good reaction of european factors and leaders of european states, that he left at his own discretion.

did not notify anyone and does not have any authority to speak on behalf of the eu, and of course, the fact that he was convicted means a trip and an attempt to receive certain dividends from the russian federation. you are absolutely right that there are shparinkas, and orban, and there is orban's hungary a trojan horse of the russian federation and china. unlike other members of the european union, hungary is strengthening its cooperation and buying more. more gas and signed a contract for the completion of the nuclear power unit and so on, that is, orban is trying to use this tense situation between the eu and the russian federation in order to receive certain dividends, well , he actually had the same thing with china, orban, or rather hungary is a hub for china's entry into the european market. huawei corporation has the largest production in europe in hungary, which is corporation. which produces equipment that

is considered by both the united states and a large number of european countries to be a threat to nato and the european union. if we talk about fashion, then there is a little longer history, they still remember soviet times, or soviet times, when india was a country that did not join, and the soviet union helped quite a lot. at the moment, in fact, most of the armed forces and... india is equipped with russian weapons, yes, they are reducing their dependence on russian weapons, because they have seen that they are not wunderwaffe in ukraine that western weapons are much more effective, but this process is quite slow. the second is economic cooperation, and india bought a large amount of oil for its own use and then, after processing, sold it to other countries, because of course they wanted to simply take advantage of the situation, because...

russia sells these energy carriers at a big discount, and now india is trying to play between, well , actually three forces: the west, the united states, europe, the russian federation, china, although by and large national india's interests are to strengthen itself and restrain china in the indo-pacific region, and russia, as a weak partner of china, helps china. you are muscles and behave more aggressively in the region, well, there is a connection here, because what is happening in ukraine and the reaction of our western partners in supporting us, and god forbid, if ukraine loses, it will be a green light, a green light signal for china to seize taiwan, and precisely because of this , the hindus would do better to think that there are far-reaching interests of india and those countries that it is supported, the democratic camp, and there are...

short-term interests like oil, like some kind of economic cooperation with the russian federation, and of course, it would be better if they consider that and choose a side that is ideological, values, supports india, rather than simply trying to use it against ukraine and the west, the west as a whole. mr. oleksandr, what kind of light should nato show to ukraine at... this summit, because we understand that this summit is important, but ukraine will not be invited, and now various options are being discussed cooperation, various options for supporting our country are being discussed, we understand that this may not be what we expected from nato. we know that president zelenskyy has to meet with biden, but if all this complex of issues is combined into one. what, after all, do we expect

from nato at the summit and will these signals be positive, will they ultimately be more positive than negative? well, our desire and the desire of our closest neighbors, who feel threatened by the russian federation, the baltic states, poland, romania, the united kingdom, they would like to see the start of the process of ukraine's accession to nato with an open date, it is clear here that we cannot become nato members tomorrow or in a year. for this, two conditions must be met: the first is our readiness, and the second, and even more important, is the political will in our ranks. unfortunately, we do not receive this signal, we are offered, instead of the open door that we have been standing in front of for some time, to build some kind of bridge to nato, i don't know, to be honest, what this means, let's see and we read the documents, after they are made public, what we are being offered is

concrete help and actually a transfer of leadership from the united states to the polish structures, and the ramstein process and others. processes that were aimed at strengthening ukrainian defense capabilities now and strengthening our capabilities in the future to deter russian aggression, that is, this is not something so new, it is actually the arrangement of the format that exists under the umbrella of nato, with such, you know, a safeguard against the possible arrival of trump , which can stop support for ukraine altogether, so i wouldn't say it's too positive. we will probably hear concrete proposals, concrete commitments from our partners to strengthen our air defense and other capabilities, but it is clear that this is not what we were waiting for, we need a political signal, and not only to ukraine, but also

to russia we need this signal that russia does not have the right to veto nato decisions, and secondly, that no matter what they do, ukraine will be a member of nato, and then one of the reasons for this war at least as it was perceived in washington, excuse me, in moscow, they say that it was nato and the expansion of nato that provoked this war, if ukraine inevitably follows this path, then it turns out that putin has no way to achieve this goal, and part of this war is losing its meaning. and mr. oleksandr, today the ukrainian president had the opportunity to sign, apparently, a certain security framework, perhaps. again the agreement with donald tusk, the polish prime minister, all this is actually happening on the way of our leader to in addition, washington supposedly understands that it is necessary to create a ukrainian legion from those people who are currently in the territory

of the european union. in general, how do you see our cooperation with poland in the context of the new signed agreements, is it important and should we place any hopes on them at all, this is... a wonderful agreement, and in its essence, in terms of structure, of course, it repeats all those that we signed with other countries, i would put it second only to the agreement with the united kingdom, but the most important thing is not even what is written on paper, because you know, very often there were good words and intentions, but there was no political will to implement them, in the case of both britain and poland, there is such a will, because these countries, the elites of these countries clearly realized. threat from the russian federation both to ukraine and to the european continent, therefore this agreement is really historic, very good, and one can only welcome that it is written so well. as for what is planned to be done, these agreements are

an important tool for strengthening our defense capabilities, strengthening cooperation in the defense-industrial complex, in order to that we would be a single part of the european space and of course that ukraine, while it is not a member of nato, could defend itself and then be a part, a worthy part of nato. it is also a very important point that, let 's say, we stopped hearing from mr. oleksandr, and we would like to understand that there may be problems on our side, or maybe mr. oleksandr, but we hear, we hear. hear, hear, yes, a very important point is that these agreements are not substitutes for nato, and in fact, in most of the signed agreements, it is written that they help ukraine to get closer to nato standards and become nato members in the future. it is clear that

poland, probably more than any other state, would like this, since we are a country that is on the path of the russian federation to the west, and it feels its... anger, and of course it has a bad memory of that , that was happening, that is, the partitions of poland, and the occupation, and the genocides committed by the russian federation. more precisely, the soviet union in relation to the poles, so these agreements, they are instrumental, they are very important, i i hope that we will use the potential, and for this we need to create certain institutional mechanisms in ukraine so that we understand who is responsible for fulfilling these agreements and implementing these agreements, because they are multi-planned, there are also political, economic, anti-corruption, european integration, in fact, here, but there are specific... military or issues related to the defense-industrial complex, and all this

is quite difficult to give to one ministry or one official in order for him to these agreements, well, in fact used, it is necessary to create such a mechanism, mr. oleksandr, so thank you for your thoughts, your analysis, oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert of the defense strategies center on foreign and security policy issues, and so i have to. i have to give information that is very important, at the beginning of our broadcast, information appeared in many places that a baby was taken out from under the rubble of okhmadito and immediately hospitalized, fortunately this information is not confirmed, we thank the ministry of internal affairs and their communications for that they help her get to the truth, luckily we don't have a story with an injured baby, but, but... we will remind you that yesterday, near the village of tsirkuny, which is kharkiv oblast,

a civilian car with passengers was blown up by a russian mine, and this evening the information that a two-month-old baby was killed as a result of hitting a mine, in fact the body was thrown 15 m, and this is not the only victim of this tragedy, of many other tragedies in our country, but we...remember our survey, whether it is worth waiting for sensations on favor of ukraine at the nato summit in washington, you can choose two options, either yes or no, take your smartphones or phones and dial 0800 211 381, if you think yes, if you think no, please dial 0800 211 382, ​​all your calls are absolutely free. and one more important event, yes, not only yesterday and not only

this month, this is probably an event, conventionally speaking, even of a planetary scale, these are the elections in france, these are the elections in france, and we are also in touch with andriy shkil , politician, journalist, people's deputy of the fourth, fifth and sixth convocations, who now lives in france, understands these issues, right? yes, mr. andriy, are you with us? we are right now, i am here with you, great, mr. andriy, good evening to you, well, unfortunately, he is not good in us in ukraine, but as it is, well, let’s start, probably with the results, how revolutionary, resonant, i don’t i know, expected or unexpected, they became especially for you, can we say that emmanuel macron's multi-choice was still successful and... now he is actually losing this battle? look, it's me

it is possible to comment on the multi-prong in the testament , you can comment on such kind words spoken in poland by the prime minister that there is disappointment in moscow, enthusiasm in paris, relief in kyiv, because really after these elections and after this multi-pronged combination that macron made in order to to... knock down the popularity of the right in france at its peak, indeed they had a very good environment in which to grow, because a survey that was conducted immediately after the european, well , european parliament elections, testified that 68% the french do not feel at home, that is , they consider the country of france as one that does not provide security, economic, social and even... without security, of course, because war is knocking on the french door, in europe, war and , accordingly, a sense of shoulder are absent in france,

because in their opinion, a normal law on foreigners was not adopted, and accordingly this entails a whole series of problems that had to be solved in this way, to announce early elections, taking a risk, of course the risk was great, different things could happen, this so the so-called two-round system of france could... and not give such a result, if the so-called front, that is, or the so -called republican front, had not been formed, and it had entered, and this is very important, in the krail. which have been put at a crossroads, either they come in and support the position that the current president offers them, or they then already merge into one dance with the extreme left, and that's exactly why this combination worked, and if everyone was sufficiently stunned and shocked in the majority cases in the first round, then they were pleasantly reassured by the second round, when

the mechanism of depriving the far-right from coming to power in the region and in general worked. extreme structures, radical structures that rush to power with the help of democratic institutions, that is, the german lesson was learned here, when at one time hitler came to power in a democratic way in germany, there are such opportunities here, it worked, the french institution works, french democracy works , and now the only one that is not working right now is the french parliament, because there is a debate on what will, will coalition. whether there will be a minority government, whether such a transitional government of technocrats will be formed, in any case, ukraine can observe this with peace of mind, because everything that has happened now actually calms the foreign policy picture of france, that is , now only internal problems problems, who will be at the head of the government,

whether it will be, what will be the combination, and in principle... under any circumstances, the formation of the government will take place without the extreme right and without the extreme left, therefore such a state of affairs can be an absolute omen for ukraine peace and we can all calmly observe, although once again remember that power is very important, but intelligent power gives results, the risk is justified gives results when the power acts, in particular the french power, acts in such a way that... in order not to endanger the integrity of the country, to stop the coming to power of those structures that could bring, well, if not a civil war, then a very serious civil civil confrontation in france. and here, mr. andriy, regarding the non-working parliament, as you said, which is not working yet, which is

in your opinion, is there the most likely version of the development of events? because we see that no one actually has a majority, and in fact the three most important political forces, plus or minus, of course, have, if not the same, then somewhere around the same number of mandates now, but can the centrists really get along with the leftists, and the main thing will remain single, this left front, left movement, will remain single, because there is a lot going into it. essentially different political forces, political movements, will this not cause a crisis of parliamentarism in france in the next few years. no, no, there is no such threat here, because first of all, in the 27th year , the presidential elections will be held and this will remove any confrontation, because this confrontation, which may be maturing now, will be resolved in the usual democratic way through the elections of the president

and then the parliament. well here, will it be the only left movement? no, maybe it won't be, and i don't see it. there are no problems with this, because this new people's front really includes four political forces, it is a socialist party, it is an ecological party, well, let's say a group environmental parties, it's the communists, and it's a very left-wing structure, unruly france, that is , unconquered france, francine sumiz, led by jean-luc melenjon, who is such an odious leader of the left, he was very active in supporting his... at the time, well, let's say contacts with before, before, before the full-scale incursion of russian troops into ukraine, with russian troops, on the other hand, with the communist party of russia, with other structures there that were close to him, in his entourage, there are enough people with russian, well with dual citizenship, for example, let's say in russian and french, but that is not important,

what is important is that already during the election campaign for the european parliament, he clearly emphasized that, as in the case when his party is in power, whether here or in the european parliament, the attitude to ukraine should be the same from france as to palestine, and to so to russia as to israel, which, according to mélenchon, is the same usurper of territory that russia is in relation to ukraine, so this is the position, well it is clear that it is unacceptable for ukraine, because how he spoke against supporting ukraine, for stopping supplies. finances to the ukrainian state as such, not even just about military aid, so in principle, when this structure is formed before the elections, it will disintegrate and form normally. a centrist, center-left coalition, where the ruling party, the party of revival and all those political

forces that together with macron united in the election can easily enter, they will also form and lead it, in fact it can become a majority government, they can get even if not an absolute majority, or a figure very close to it, this will give the president the opportunity to work quietly and work quietly in the entire french state. but again, this is a matter of discussion, proposals have already been made to lead such a government in such a combination to the former president of france, who passed, by the way, also became a deputy, francois holland, and he did not object very much, although of course, of course, nothing and did not confirm whether such conversations were held in the inner circle of the social party to which whether it belongs or not, but nevertheless, attempts are made and all these any attempts, they are in principle positive for the formation of the government. the only negative thing that can happen is the so-called transitional government. transitional

governments, governments from technocracy, they very often typically get support from the left sector, not only the extreme left, and from the right side of the political spectrum, not only from the extreme right, and when this government of so-called technocrats works until the presidential elections to... campaign, it is quite likely that to power, for power will fight the extreme left with the extreme right, i think that the current president macron will have enough strength and ability to bypass this temptation to form a so-called technical government or a technocratic one, for now it remains, even though gabriel talvin has resigned, he remains acting prime minister minister, everything works as it did, cabinet of ministers. not dismissed, he is not dismissed, and it is quite likely that this will not happen before the start of the olympics, and until the end, because someone has to do security, someone has to provide

supplying everything necessary for a sufficiently powerful structure, which is the olympic games, and most importantly, it will provide stabilization of the authorities in order to go through this rather difficult path with the olympics in plus there are tags. political threats and terrorist threats are global, not only locally there in paris, but also in the whole of france, so i think that by the end of the olympics it is quite likely that the old government will complete its work, but work on the coalition will be carried out, because , of course, after the elections parliamentary, presidential, even parliamentary a republic cannot function without a change of government. mr. andriy, and our dear viewers and listeners, it is probably worth reminding a little bit that, in principle, the french elections became such a... self-reaction and decision of the french president to the elections to the european parliament, so we know about the results, we understand the main

trends, nevertheless we understand that the trends in france are completely different than in europe in general, as it seems to me, this is what is being said now about the fact that marine le pen can look for allies in the european parliament with his... national association in the form of, in particular and the hungarian prime minister orbán, these are all patriots for europe, an association that can become the third-largest group in the european parliament if le pen and her party join, as the elections in france in your opinion and in your opinion will the grades affect the overall picture of meps and the european parliament? well, yes, this is a valid question, because the frontman and president of the national unity party, george bordela, has already admitted failure, defeat . he said that we lost this

election, but we won the european elections. parliament and for both of these battles, i am responsible for both the defeat and the victory, and it is quite a possible scenario that lipen will want to strengthen, but she will strengthen in the european parliament, but she will lose in the national ... election, that is, she will lose france as soon as it identifies itself next to orbán and his group, or orbán is still far enough away, but his spanish portuguese colleagues are here with france and clearly understand the difference between who lippen wants to present to the public and who they will be her colleagues in the european parliament from orban's entourage is from portugal and spain, naturally because of this she conceived three times. than to do something like that, and my personal prediction is no, she will not do it, she will stay out of the melon, she will stay in the environment of, let's say, radical conservatives and will

weave there. intrigues, well, okay, weaving your network in order to come to power in the 27th year in france, this is the most important thing for her, the european dimension for her, she considers it only and exclusively as the dimension that helps to realize her intentions precisely in france, in the national parliament, in the national state, that is, in the national structure, this is its ideology, that is the interest, because the le pen family has been fighting for power in france for 80 years and will not get it in any way, and it is typical this will be the stimulus that will drive her political power in the european parliament, i think she will stay with me in the structure that she has, in order to be able to win the presidential elections in the 27th year and in the parliamentary elections, this is for her the most important thing, and actually it is that... now

the early elections were held, it was also that multi-way combination with the aim of not giving the opportunity to unite all the right-wing forces in europe, this blow was also directed there, because it was assumed that after that, after the defeat, ee lipen will be forced even more to paint her image in normal, not bright, let's say so, not bright radical colors, here she will again... talk about the fact that the most important thing is to increase the curviness of the ability, that it is necessary take care of french culture, and there will be no more, there will be less to scare society with radical slogans, no less to scare society in general, more to call for unity, and for this it will need to demonstrate its absolutely consistent position, we agreed, we made a decision, we signed an agreement on the appropriate partnership in the european parliament and we will continue

to cooperate for the benefit of the new one. and the new france, i think, it will proclaim such slogans from the european tribune, and its, a large number of enough deputies will proclaim similar slogans from within the walls parliament, mr. andriy, thank you for your inclusion, for your thoughts, andriy shkil, politician, journalist, people's deputy of the fourth tr6th convocation, well... well , these are the results in france, interesting, unpredictable, but which already exist , and this demonstrates that democracy really works in europe, and we remind you that today our poll is about the topic of the washington nato summit, should we expect a sensation in favor of ukraine in washington, if you

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in the middle of the day, russia hit ukraine with missiles , hitting the ahmadyt children's hospital in kyiv. this is one of the biggest attacks on the ukrainian capital since the beginning of the year. how does the world react? we talk about it on the bbc. from london, i'm yevgenia shedlovska. massive russian shelling. kyiv, dnipro, kryvyi rih, donetsk region were under attack, dozens of dead and wounded. the air force command of ukraine reported that, according to preliminary data, russia fired 38 missiles, 30 of which were shot down. in kyiv , the russian military targeted houses in various districts, in the center of poshko.