well, in fact, what is meant, and because representatives of germany or the usa can say the same thing, maybe about the president of france, well, for example, that is, it is worth understanding who to believe and how adequate and important for perception such statements are, you know , in my opinion president macron is right, although i have a lot of faith in his words, but nevertheless he is saying what many other leaders are thinking. western countries, today, unfortunately, there are no real leaders in the west, i mean people like reagan, the president of the united states, the former, like margaret thatcher, like nelson mandela, you can mention many others, but nevertheless they are not there, today's leaders of the western world, they are very careful, they, on

the elections, on what awaits them in their countries, they are not able to look over the horizon, so to speak, that is, imagine if there was no president reagan, we would probably still have the soviet union today, he went over himself, he, he decided that this was his task. his life, and he did everything in order to destroy this empire, here on today , there is no such leader of the western world, unfortunately, and that is why we hear again that there will be a certain bridge between ukraine and nato, there will be an open door between ukraine and nato, but this is not what we expect, and alas, it may end with... that there will be complete domination of, let's say,

imperial russia in the world, and the western world will get another one, another of the same rival or opponent that it had during the last 100 years there, and having done nothing to overcome this adversary while he is not yet at full strength, so... this is my prediction for the nato summit, that is, we will not get membership, we will not get an invitation to join nato, unfortunately, from a positive point of view, i would say yes, we will probably be promised some additional weapons, ideally, well, that my personal opinion, which is not confirmed, but i think that there is still ... a reason to hope that

there can be some kind of agreement between nato as an alliance, that is, as an alliance and ukraine on security guarantees, because finally this is the main thing , what we need, well, summing up, i think that all the previous authorities of ukraine, including the current one, made the same mistake, we wanted to join nato only to... protect ourselves with article five of the charter of the north atlantic alliance, at the time when we needed to join nato, and today it is necessary, as a country that considers itself a member of the euro-atlantic family, well, there are certain reforms that have not been done, there are certain things that we still have to do, but one way or another, we cannot always say that we want a member. .. become

nato, because article five of this alliance should protect us. it doesn't happen like that. you know, me today, well, i discussed here, i try never to quarrel on facebook, but to discuss with people. and we talked about the power of nato and the capabilities of nato in, well, if we just take the nuclear potential by the brackets now, and russia is the largest nuclear power in the world, it has as many as 600 warheads in my opinion. if i'm not mistaken, friend of the usa, well , quality is a different matter, but we are talking about quantity, if we are taking out nuclear weapons by the brackets now, we are talking about conventional weapons, medium-range missiles there, and still other resources and so on, and i discussed about that, i say, that is , a big plus of nato, and probably the main one, is that if we speak frankly at all, but if we speak frankly, we looked at a survey among representatives of certain. no matter how many of

your citizens defended your country, the french, representatives of certain countries, were the most ready to defend their country, there the minimum number of men were ready to defend, the majority was not... ready, and some were even ready to go abroad, that's as far as possible citizens of nato member countries to join the war in the event of an invasion of russia, because again, any alliance, it is tested only in war, before the invasion of ukraine, russia was also considered the second army of the world, and i read, i remember, just now , the statement of one polish general who said that he did not believe he really did not believe that the russian guards first tank army was defeated by ukrainian troops, they thought that... it would reach warsaw, well , how could it be otherwise, this is russia, this is the second army of the world, but how come that they are being beaten near kiev, and what about you? well, that's why i'm leading that always, despite everything, everything is checked only in practice, only in practice, that's why we nato now talk about nato as a potential, and of course a huge plus is what everyone wants,

including ukraine, this is the nuclear umbrella of the usa, there are no questions here, because a nuclear war is something that can destroy lust, so this is an indisputable plus, but speaking... i just want to hear your opinion, and now in this situation, realizing that, say, different actions regarding ukraine under nato could to provoke russia to attack nato countries, but just imagine the further development of the scenario, maybe they are not ready for this in nato, but they simply will not say it, you know, i think that they are afraid of their own shadow, i think that i... i am not a military person, i cannot fully understand everything risks that military experts in nato countries may understand better than i do, but it seems to me that, for example, to create the same no fly zone, that is, a no-fly zone over

ukraine, it was possible back in february or march 2024, excuse me it would be possible to cover the 22nd year, well, with such a definite one under the umbrella of nato or individual countries, at least half of ukraine, at least western ukraine, it was possible to approve the decision to introduce certain peacekeeping forces into the territory of ukraine, not necessarily the troops of nato or nato countries that should be stationed in donbas or sumy region or in the chernihiv region, at least in western ukraine. you know, these, these troops would relieve the armed forces of ukraine, which could be more practically used in the east, in the south of our country, that is, there are many different options,

it was possible to sign, well, some kind of agreement between nato and ukraine, on security, on the defense of ukraine, all this was done in previous years. the same bosnia, kosovo, er, even libya and iraq, er, these were hybrid peacekeeping forces that participated, well, under the umbrella of the un, we understand that russia will block any decisions of the un security council with about this, but nevertheless, it would be possible to at least try to do this, no one has tried this, eh, and why, because i already said from the beginning, there are no leaders in the west that are real. as there were before who could look over the horizon and see the danger that awaits the whole world, and first of all the western world, western europe, if they do not stop russia and putin today. you know, i hear when people say that for putin, seizing

ukraine is an existential question, he will simply eat himself, like the one in vasyl symonenko's poem that... zabiaka's macaque ate himself from prylyak, that's about the same story, but studying the history of muscovy, and then russia, well, let's say, if we talk about the livonian war, ivan the terrible decided to end this war, he corresponded there with stefan matorius for some time, but when batory's troops were already standing near pskov, then somehow ivan the terrible decided that it was possible to negotiate, and then there was an ambassador from rome, from the vatican, who first came to batory, then to grozny, they agreed, in fact, when the threat was already near pskov, ivan the terrible understood that this long livonian war had no prospects, he immediately gave up his very holy ideas, which were very important to him, and it turned out that they not anymore are so important, so is ukraine, when there are circumstances that are insurmountable for russia, i am more than

convinced that kyiv will no longer be holy, there will not be a single font there, as this head of their russian church once said, the question is only in... obviously putin still sees these prospects, and here it is very important to understand what can make these prospects unreal for him and... the circumstances are insurmountable, because now , as a matter of fact, on the territory of ukraine, according to various estimates, there are up to 500,000 russian army. let's imagine that there is not of the ukrainian army, which restrains it, and these 500,000 are standing on the border of nato countries in the european union, just imagine for a second, and even then the picture changes somewhat, and the understanding changes somewhat, changes why ukraine should be in nato, because it is actually today is this eastern outpost for nato, that's for sure. there is no doubt that this horde could calmly, could calmly push on, strong

ukrainian diplomacy should be in this situation, what should ukrainian diplomacy do in order to convince with support, of course, the troops at the front, because without success at the front or deterring the enemy at the front, the words of the diplomats become so elusive for our western partners, what should be done, i am not talking about the summit itself now, in general in the near future, let it be until autumn, let it be in the winter, ukrainian diplomacy... in order to make the prospects for putin that they will come to him and say, well , let's put up, as vague as possible and certain only by a mirage, please, i think there are two sides to this issue, on the one hand, we must keep persuading the western world in that they are wrong in their, you know, caution or expectation that it is possible to come to an agreement with putin, i think that it is impossible to come to an agreement with him, er, this is task number

one , task number two, this is work with the third world, with the global south, unfortunately, if we look at the same summit in switzerland, the peace summit dedicated to ukraine, or at the meeting of the un general assembly, there were a little more votes for our benefit. more than 140, this is a lot, it is 2/3, let's say so, of the membership of the un, but nevertheless, well, mostly the majority of the countries of the third world or the global south, as it is called today, they take a very cautious wait-and-see position, that is, they sympathize with ukraine, but at that time they are not ready to quarrel with the russian federation, you know, i will recall my experience. .. that when i was still working in front of ukraine at the un and talked to at least half

of the ambassadors of african countries at the un, 52 of them in total, so let’s say 35-40, they all told me the same thing, one and the same the same thesis or the same narrative, that's how good it was when there was a soviet union, and then it fell apart and appeared. there is ukraine, the soviet union helped us with finances, weapons, people, created our economy, and there were no problems, no questions, and then you fell apart and you started having problems, and now you have a war between russia and ukraine , and what should we do, and i say to them, so support us in this struggle, they say, no, it is better to... reconcile with the russian federation and become one country again, and then we will receive all those

the bonuses we received for 50-70 or 100 years before that, and the attitude of the african countries to this conflict, to this war, that is, it means one thing that our diplomacy is not being finalized, there is no information in the african countries that actually happens. between ukraine and the russian federation, to a lesser extent it applies to southeast asia, latin america, there, well, yes, frankly speaking, with all due respect to the african continent, more civilized countries, more knowledgeable, but nevertheless, there is very little information , they are not understand, they do not know what is happening in the center of europe, that a truly global war is taking place there, which may erupt. after all, in the third world war or in the fourth, as they say now, if we consider the cold war

as the third world war, and then no one will be easier from it, but it must be explained, it must be told to the masses , i think that it's not that it's not done, but it's not done enough, you know, i can agree with you, especially about the countries of africa, well, egypt is northern africa, but i once... i was there in some kind of touristic the travelers and the worker told how grateful they were to the soviet union, because there were belarusians, ukrainians, kazakhs in this group, and he said that the soviet union... helped us build some kind of dam there or something or something, and he said: oh we thank you that it used to be so good, and we eat potatoes, they collect potatoes there twice a year or something, and we send them, well, there are some nostalgic ones, but for us it is not nostalgia, but it and it was not nostalgia, but now it is a cruel reality, and actually it was a cruel reality, just later a generation will grow up that no longer remembers

the famine, but it was all forgotten, killed, trampled, as they say, into this ground of history. that today everyone understands everything, everyone knows everything, although many people in ukraine do not understand anything, do not know, we still have people in the villages, and not only in the villages, but in the cities, who say that this is not putin attacked, it was america that attacked ukraine, there are really people who say that, it’s just a miracle you wonder where you lived, among whom you live, thank god that there are ukrainians who know much more, i would still like to have six minutes there, but i want to hear your opinion as a specialist and an experienced person, because my colleagues and i said that we do not agree and... look, here goes i'm not saying, now again i'm not justifying it, i'm not saying that there should be a truce, there shouldn't be, i don't know what should happen, we should win, and ukraine should be, but this move, we, putin says, give four oblasts, then he says, let's hold istanbul talks, somehow we are there, orbán heads the eu, hungary, presides there,

flies to kyiv, flies to moscow, as he was called the ears and the mouth of putin, then. is flying in china, even in ukraine certain people are saying that some kind of peace is better there, some kind of peace there, the main thing is not to shoot, and then, if this work is going on, it was inspired by russia, i don’t i say that it is right or wrong, no, it just goes, at this moment the arrival of the children's hospital, the blood, the killed, the dead, horror, the main children's clinic of the country is under missile attack, even the un admits this. that it is a russian missile, not debris. this is all obvious, and then the question is how, what do you want, please explain this logic, does anyone in russia want these, let it be that the negotiations are wrong, but at least some negotiations, someone wants the continuation of such a brutal war so that zelenskyi came and said, well, please give us something, we are ready to be, what is happening, explain the logic of this, because there is no logic here , maybe there is no such logic in russia,

i don’t know, but here we have to at least understand these are two lines. which do not intersect with the escalation and talks about peace and these travels of orbán around the world, you know, well, this is a difficult question, on the one hand, as a diplomat, as a person who spent a significant part, well, at least there for almost four years in moscow, as an ambassador in of the russian federation with all my, with all my attitude towards russia, well, which were wonderful... you see, it has not improved in recent times, and it was not particularly so rosy, nevertheless, i understand that one way or another we have to will be at a certain stage, well to agree on something with these inhumans, whether it will be the russia that exists today, whether it will be putin or without putin, i think that, well,

of course, under putin, we will not agree on anything with this country, with those. who will replace putin, i'm not sure that these people will be better than, but nevertheless, uh, anyway, as a diplomat, i think that, well, any war, you know, i didn't say that, this is a thesis that is historical, to some extent, any war ends with negotiations, i would like these negotiations to begin as soon as possible, but today i do not see any ... became for them, because i repeat once again that with this freak, whose last name is putin, there is absolutely nothing to agree on, well, after yesterday's attack on kyiv, on a children's hospital, well , it's not possible at all, well, i can't imagine how it is possible to sit down at the negotiating table with these non-humans, on the other

hand, one way or another it is necessary to negotiate with them or not with them or with future ones. by the leaders of the country that will be in the place of today's federation, yes, today we are being pushed to negotiations or to negotiations, because in the west, unfortunately, in my personal opinion, and not only mine, i also hear it from many western experts, my colleagues with whom i communicate, that there is no strategy, there is no clear strategy, what to do next with this war, what to do with russia, some are afraid that... russia will disintegrate, fall apart, and the spread of nuclear weapons or some kind of uncontrolled conflict will begin there, although we already went through all this in 1991 after the collapse of the soviet union. union and nothing terrible happened, at that time they were also afraid of the then president of the usa bush, the elder was coming to kyiv,

told the verkhovna rada that ukraine should not secede from the soviet union, because it would be chaos and disaster. nevertheless, this chaos happened and nothing terrible happened. i think we also need to convince our diplomats, our politicians, our leaders, our western partners that there is nothing wrong with the collapse of russia, because with the country that is today called the russian federation, uh, i don't see any prospects, no negotiations, no agreement, well, you know what i mean, that is, this people with whom there is simply nothing to talk about, if there is someone left in the west who thinks... that you can agree on something with them, i will never agree with such a person, and believe me, this is my own experience, my political, diplomatic experience, i know

many people in the russian federation with whom i communicated, well, i have not communicated with them for many years, but i remember when i communicated with them that there is nothing to talk about with these people, they belong to absolutely of another civilization, eh... you know, it's like really two worlds, if only for illustrations, a tiger conditionally kills an antelope to feed its children, it has its own logic, the antelope dies, its children die because there is no mother, this is a tragedy, but the tiger has its own logic, it thinks that it is doing the right thing, that is what putin thinks what is he doing. that's right, this advisor of his, kadyrov, what was his last name there, said that if the empire does not expand, it will die, they do not want to die, but will expand at the expense of whom, o

ukraine, and ukraine should become a bone in the throat, and they should understand that at our expense they will not expand, this is a joint effort and above all of our army and the entire ukrainian people, which is financed by the army and our partners, thank you very much, thank you that we talked objectively and professionally, and not without emotions, but without emotions it is impossible here. thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, volodymyr yelchenko, a diplomat, was in touch with us. now natalka didenko will talk about what the weather will be like in ukraine tomorrow, whether it will be hot or something different, and then we will talk about the economic topic, which i have already announced, wait, it will be interesting. synoptic hello to all, our dear viewers, we will talk with you. about the weather that is expected for the next day, i want to say right away that the heat will not only continue, but will also intensify, and therefore we will still wander in some park in order to at least

somehow escape from this excessive heat, and today we will look into a wonderful beautiful holosiivsky national park, and a little bit of history and various interesting facts for your attention, by the way, holosiivskyi national natural park is... the only one in ukraine and one of the few national parks in the world, which is completely located within the megapolis, within the city, how good it would be if, for example, everyone appreciated and understood this, especially people who, for example, depend on the development or such strange hobbies and strange attractions in the middle of the park, where there are a lot of animals and plants that belong, for example, to the red book. the holosivskyi national nature park, as i already said, is located within kyiv. and that is why there are so many of them located on its territory objects as part of the historical localities of kyiv itself are holosiev, kitaev, by the way, i

emphasize, please, not holosievo, not kitayevo, not kyiv, kyiv, holosiia, china, also mysholovka, feofania, konchazaspa, belychi, svyatoshyn, pushcha voditsa and the like, and the animal life of the golosivskyi park is very diverse, because we still walk around the park... we pay attention to the trees, there to the plants, 192 species of vertebrates, 11 species of amphibians, seven species of reptiles, 108 species of birds, i don't know if they are all still there here, to be honest, due to the fact that unscrupulous people sometimes encroach on the golosivskyi park, among these representatives of the fauna, 150 species of vertebrates, as i have already said, and 27 species of insects have protective statuses. native state level. this is the beautiful holosiv park and may it serve us for a long, long time. we move on to the behavior of the earth's magnetic field. to your

attention. gnostic diagram as usual, and looking at it, it is clear that no superpowerful magnetic storms are predicted, we have had enough of the intense heat, so we leave space alone and return to the actual atmospheric behavior over ukraine. i want to say right away that hot weather will dominate everywhere, but there are still nuances. so, in the western part of ukraine, 30-33° above zero is expected in the next day, i.e. tomorrow, july 10. dry weather, the north of ukraine will also begin to warm up little by little, not just warm up, more, 31:34 above zero. it is very hot in the east, 34-37°. dry weather is expected in the central part of ukraine anticyclonic in nature, 32-37 above zero. it is very hot in the southern part of ukraine,

34-38°. dry and sunny, high fire danger, be careful, and it will also be hot in kyiv tomorrow, the maximum air temperature will fluctuate around +33°, there is no talk of precipitation in such heat, the heat will last until the end of the week in the near future, in the south, east and in many central regions 34-39, maybe even up to +40. this is the synoptic hot situation, of course, keep a close eye on the updated weather forecasts on the channel. espresso. thank you, natal sidenko. we we continue the verdict program. let me remind you that my name is vasyl zema and we invited andrii dligach to the conversation. he is an economist and a doctor of economic sciences. mr. andrii, i congratulate you. congratulations. actually, i will be today, as much as i don't like the word average, but let it be a specific ukrainian word for average viewers who will ask the questions that worry me as a person who pays

taxes and buys something in a store. pays utility bills, there is something else, something else, and it is important for me to understand the ukrainian perspective economy and the perspective of the ukrainian economy, which is supposed to finance the war, let's say that the ukrainian economy, its taxes are the wages of our military, because if we have nothing to finance our wars, then communal services and consumer goods basically lose their meaning, and because we have to fight and hold, hold on in this war, how would you assess the state of the ukrainian economy right now? positively, negatively, threateningly, let's hold on, just as of now, how is the ukrainian economy? hang on, and yes, i don't like the word either average, well, first of all, all ukrainians are not average, because we have survived, i will be like all wonderful ukrainians, all wonderful, this, this is wonderful, consumer sentiment is negative, the dynamics there are negative, this means that people... rather do not

spend , save money, er, because they expect that the situation will worsen, no, they do not make large purchases, while experiencing a rise in prices, although in fact, if we analyze in detail, follow the coefficients, we see that inflationary processes, price rises, consumer is not so high, so it has well-founded reasons, the increase in the price of electricity, a certain devaluation of the hryvnia, we are highly dependent on imported goods in many categories, there are other seasonal factors that affect prices, but in general, all of this is included in these projected frameworks, which were also laid down in the state budget and predicted expert teams, so i cannot say that there are any troubles here, where there are troubles in fact, there are troubles in relation to business, business is optimistic, business prefers

to... increase investments, develop active activities, investments in the defense-industrial complex, instead, from time to time the state, or due to the pressure of the security forces, or due to other unfavorable signals, for example, the creation of a white business club or by intimidation, raising taxes, rather drives the business into a waiting phase, instead of actively creating a new added cost, more deployed activities. business prefers to stop investment projects, which in the economy, of course, we do not expect the development of negative scenarios with our debt, so our debt is increasing, so there are difficulties with paying off this debt, but talks are ongoing on the restructuring, ongoing and ongoing and i think they will be successful, well at least all the signals that we have at the moment, they are rather saying that...