active activity, investments in the defense-industrial complex, on the other hand , from time to time the state, or due to the pressure of the security forces, or due to other unfavorable signals, for example, the creation of a white business club or by intimidation, raising taxes, the business is rather forced into a waiting phase, instead of he actively created new added value, developed more activities, business rather with... stops investment projects, what else in the economy, of course, we do not expect the development of negative scenarios with our debt, so our debt is increasing, so it is difficulties with the payment of this debt, but now the negotiations are ongoing regarding the restructuring, ongoing and i think they will be successful, well, at least all the signals we have at the moment, they rather say that we will be able to find an understanding with our...

creditors , that's why i don't see significant risks here, i'm just clarifying, these creditors, as i understand it, are mainly private investments, and or not only, there are also state ones, of course, but the problem for us, first of all, now is to come to an agreement with private ones , what am i doing, i i think you have some kind of communication, to understand there roughly how it is, how it can happen, these people who are negotiating, they can, well, the people who are responsible for... billions for huge amounts of bonds there and have to see the perspective for many years to come, these people, they are the concept of empathy for them, well, is it now only in these negotiations, with them, well, in the sense that we have a war, people are dying in us, who are dominated by the concept of empathy, it is certainly easier to negotiate with them, but if we correctly imagine, it is not the only one some person who makes decisions, there are also shareholders in most funds who are our creditors. there is, there is also a whole system

of decision-making, there is no emotional factor, of course, there is a calculation, a basic calculation which you can lose in ukraine, which will introduce war everything, if ukraine reaches the final stage of default, that is, it cannot pay, then you lost everything, everything you borrowed in this country, well, who wants it, no one, that's why they rather agree on some favorable terms for rescheduling. these payments, so that, if you lose, then lose the minimum. these, those people who deal with finance, know very clearly that it is better to have smaller losses than to keep holding on to something that will give you bigger losses in the future, money has its value in time, and that is why the vast majority of these decisions about installment loans, it is adopted positively. let's talk about the topic. economic reservation, well, now

the tension in this matter has subsided a little, but the president recently spoke about 14 brigades that do not have weapons, now it in fact, it was discussed somewhere, we estimated approximately 70,000 people who were mobilized, who are suitable and undergoing training, this is what happened even now after the adoption of the law on mobilization, and before that we understand that the military-political command understands how many people it is necessary now, how much is needed, it is possible in... how much must be prepared, how many people must know that they are on the register and they are suddenly ready somewhere, their age, their phage, well, all this must be in front of the eyes, so as not to run , then do not catch people on the streets and it is important to ask who you are and what military accounting specialty you have. on the other hand, it is important that the economy has specialists and also works, although now in many areas, women are replacing men, something else is happening there, people from retirement, maybe.

are returning, working, and i want to ask whether it is now possible to sell, i know that such communication took place between business and the government, whether it is possible to find points of contact and explain to the government why economic reservation is not when someone is bought off from the army, but it's something different, and at least it's business there is something different about it, that you give us the opportunity to continue working, to pay taxes, and we give you the opportunity to have money to finance the army, which you are recruiting today and increasing its number or replacing those who have already fought there, it is necessary , so that other people come, is it not possible to explain this, this and find this contact. first, thank you for the very correct accents, the only thing i want to correct, in fact , we have a completely common position with the government, all the models that are proposed, most of the models, which are proposed, they agreed with the government, we actually worked in a joint team with the ministry of economy, producing a key basic model that... is at the

moment, this is a model of booking critical personnel under the conditions of setting a certain level of salaries, not lower than 35 thousand , what actually we, together with the ministry of economy... calculated, substantiated and submitted further for the consideration of other ministries and the cabinet as a whole, where this idea got stuck in the making of a political decision, yes, of course, the cabinet of ministers could have made this decision on its own without verkhovna council, the basic model, it fits into the current legislative framework, but as far as i understand, there is no such political decision so far from the president, why the president ... hesitates to make this decision, i do not know for sure, but i can only hypothesize that that, first of all, because the president and his team do not see a unified public opinion, who in society is against it, we, we constantly monitor situations, i also have sociological companies that constantly

conduct monitoring, and business, we constantly survey, business has 95% support, models in fact, the reservation of critical personnel, in society, the vast majority of people already support it, i am sure that in the comments to our video today there will be those who are against it, and i love it, of course, i am asking you, comment, i must i will definitely answer everyone and try to justify why the warnings or myths of economic reservation are not real, and after all, the military, now we... the vast majority of the time try to communicate with the military, with commanders, explaining why the economic armouring will have a positive effect on mobilization, whether by the top management or from, well , the top management does not allow us, although i am at the level of brigades, battalion brigades,

brigade and battalion commanders, i would like to have such a dialogue with the top management, we are ready, we are ready to show why this is a positive phenomenon, and in fact with the army. we agree, why? because, firstly, the reservation of critical personnel does not reduce the mobilization potential, it is 4.9 million in our country. economic reservation will apply to a maximum of 500 thousand, that is, about 10% of the potential that we have, that is, there will definitely be no negative, because there is an order for the mobilization of 200,000 people per year, accordingly, all this can be implemented, but the second question, this mobilization... needs to be financed, the model that we proposed gives an opportunity to increase income to the state budget in the form of taxes by uah 165 billion due to salary increases and partial decenization of salaries. 165 billion, here is the money for arming those 14 brigades and financing

the increase of the ukrainian army. the third point very important, it is that now we cannot defeat russia in numbers, we need to technologize the armed forces. forces and have a more motivated military, which means that we have to streamline the mobilization process through the recruiting system, recruiting gives both motivation and improvement, better protected, better armed, you always have a better chance on the battlefield, and because of that, that we keep critical personnel for the business, the business says, critical personnel for us is a maximum of 15% of the men we need, so we can replace the vast majority with women or whether to have the adaptation of veterans, about the whole business is ready to do it quickly, or somewhere we will focus on older people, bring back people who are now retired, because well, these are our realities, but sorry, there are key personnel that we have invested a long time

in his training, who has a key competence that is very difficult to find in the market, and accordingly we need the business to keep this one, this is a key staff, it is exclusively about him, why not. no sane entrepreneur will give an opportunity for someone to buy off through him, because he needs to keep key personnel, because of which the private entrepreneur who does his business, absolutely, so this is the key idea here, if the business is preserved, then he will be able to finance the defense-industrial complex, he will save money and money - this is 200 billion hryvnias according to our calculations, which go directly to the army, so i always ask the commanders, the military, to ask the person with whom you have a direct relationship, who helps you with sniper rifles or with thermal imagers or with ammunition or with something else, ask him what is his key problem now, what does he need help with, and i assure you that the key answer will be: not money, we

will deal with the pressure of the security forces somehow, the only thing we have a non-renewable, that's the key staff, give us a chance to keep the key staff, a limited number of them, and then we can go on, and that's, you know, when they say, yeah, it's the rich that's going to be bought out, i just always say that a person who receives uah 35,000 is not rich a person, just a little and that's all, even. well, i don’t know, maybe there are some countries where people live for a dollar in the eu and in ukraine, unfortunately, there are different circumstances, i don’t want to say that anyone, but we just saw the story with gennady bogolyubov, yes, who has now been prosecuted there, he went abroad, and now the border guard released him, he went there with a fake passport, he also has a case against him, but it doesn't matter anymore, a really rich person went abroad with a different document, bought for myself travel, he was not registered as a person, crossed the border, the one who had real money was really rich and remains obviously rich, he left the border and no one shouted

on facebook and did not talk about the fact that it was treason, because he, sorry i don't care what you and i think, he has money and he solved this issue, it's when we talk about rich people, really people who have enough finances, the only thing i want is a comment, well, first of all, i i don't want our society to scold the rich, being rich should be the norm, we all have it. have already collected hundreds of millions of hryvnias for okhmadyt, it is wonderful that there are rich people in the country, who at the same time remain patriots, who remain honest people, and let there be more of them, the question is that the current system is really, note that there is no reservation now critical personnel, there is no economic reservation, and there are still those who are being bought out now in the current conditions, so this is economicization. the chairman of the economic committee estimated the corruption

issue in the reservation system at this amount, we want to destroy this system, we want to reduce corruption, 2 billion goes into the pockets of certain officials, which is washed out of the economy, it is not taxes that we receive, we say, let's transfer it to taxes, and let's do it not so that the rich can buy off, but so that we can reserve the kri. technically necessary staff, if the rich are there, well, great, they pay a lot of taxes and good, because what do we have instead, we have instead a situation about which 14 brigades have already been recruited that are no longer in business, that is, they do not pay taxes, instead we already hold them through our paid taxes, if they cannot be directed to the front or help our armed forces at the present moment, it means that the state has lost twice in taxes, in income and in expenses, and we want to make sure that they have weapons , so

that the mobilization system was built in this way, so that we, as a state, received money and bought weapons for them, logically, quite logically, but why, why and why oppose such an idea, i do not understand, but i am waiting for your comments, i must i will definitely answer, you know, somewhere about a few months ago, i think that the situation has not changed much, the ukrainian defense industry had more than uah 200 billion manufactured. which the ukrainian ministry of defense could not buy because there was no money, for 230 billion, of course, these are not pistol troops, these are armored vehicles, these are certain forces and means, well, now we are collecting espresso tv channel 4 million there for atvs from scratch to life, to export 4 million, you can take this money and believe that these atvs will be more effective than a person with tuberculosis or with an operated heart, who is quite fit and generally well done, who will be in the hospital three days after mobilization. for the fact that he no longer pays taxes on it, he is no longer at work, and there is no point in it, i

am thickening these paints somewhat, but this also happens, and about these 2 billion or how many billions there are, which go into the pockets of different people, i also understand that for many people in different positions, now is a great time to get rich, they will never have more such time in their lives, and they risk everything to to grab this money, i also understand that, but if we talk about the behavior of politicians, i believe in... president zelensky in this story, again, it will be his decision and the decision of the parliament, which must make a certain decision, but i once watched as a journalist during a heart operation, there is such a glass dome in the amosov hospital, you can watch heart operations from there, i watch how the surgeon works, you know, no one advised him, he was given liquid, that, that , that's all, but he didn't have advisors standing over his ears like he did it is better to act, and he did not think, and how the relatives are reacting now, he did rostin right or wrong, he had to save a person and perform an operation, so here are the politicians now... the situation when this operation must be completed so that the country survived, and here it is necessary

to act simply correctly, and not as someone wants, or as someone does not want. and i would very much like that we would first have such readiness for adult conversation in society and that we would be punished less by emotions and more by calculation. now for me, which one the key question is this question of justice itself. justice is a public good, as we now have a way for the country, this is what we should think about, and i would also like to, we were just talking to you before, while we were here waiting for us to be shown, and about... that , what should be said about the fact that in russia there is an economy, with prospects, because this narrative is constantly promoted to us, that russia has unlimited resources, can fight for 150 thousand years, and in general, even there , the sun will already go out, and russia will still fight , but i know that there are also trends that indicate that putin also needs to buy

time, he wants to achieve the result he wants as soon as possible, so what are the risks and threats for the russian labor market, we also analyze the situation in russia in detail, of course, the potential and margin of safety in russia are , the sanctions are working, and this reserve is being exhausted, very quickly, for example, the national welfare fund in russia is exhausted, its liquid part is half, and according to the results of this year it will be depleted by another quarter, so instead of there almost where... they are rubles for the current moment have less than five, but they will have approximately 2-2, that is, they have exhausted this resource, the issue of oil and gas revenues in a situation where opec is also increasing, does not fulfill its own quotas and increases livestock, and i am convinced that there will be a certain agreement with iran , and venezuela

is increasing sales, accordingly we will have a larger supply, lower prices, hide. for this , russia will not be able even because the price ceiling works, russia cannot withdraw rupees from india, for which it sells, and financial sanctions on chinese banks, in fact, also destroy russia's ability to operate with yuan, therefore, the combination of all these factors leads to the fact that russia's economic opportunities to wage war are really shrinking, they financed it by 80%, even financed it. military expenses on the military-industrial complex, and the economic effect of these significant expenses has also subsided, there is no such economic growth as they hoped, corruption, inefficiency, bugs, many reasons, so they have nothing to wait for in this area, so they technologicalized their own army, so they again increased

the gap with ukraine in terms of drones, i hope that is temporary, but this... well, let's say this, agonizing phenomena, is there a resource for the 25th year, there is, for the 26th, i think it is also, but it is a limited resource, russia will definitely be able to wage war indefinitely, even with the help of the dprk, even with the help of iran, but i hope that it will be less and less, accordingly, yes indeed, in an economic way we will not win quickly, the key decision will not be in negotiations, not in the economic sphere, but precisely on the field battle, so we have to speed up... russia to technologize the armed forces and improve the management system there, this is a matter for us. at the same time, inflationary processes are unfolding in russia, there is already almost 1% inflation per week, so russia is losing human capital at a rapid pace, well, i would not even want to compare what is really

capital in ukraine, what, what we are losing, russia loses, well... a living resource, let's say so, although they have a mobilization potential of 25 million, five times more than in ukraine. well, in the end, personal, financial, and trade sanctions are working, and there are fewer and fewer opportunities to sell in russia, but the only thing that so far is not working enough effectively - these are secondary sanctions that should prevent the supply of dual -use products to russia. russia finds an opportunity to get chips and a lot. what else, what, what allows them to have the technology of the troops. well, it is not a big secret here, but in these missiles, which, by the way, also flew to okhmadit yesterday, the kha-101, there were western components and even the united states of america, but this does not mean that it is the government of the united states of america gave the go-ahead for their sale, they sell somewhere there, let's say, some conventional refrigerator or something else something, then they use those chips from

various, from various household appliances, and so on, of course, that they deployed the targets. who buy certain things in different countries, let's say, the arabian peninsula, southeast asia, there in central asia, where else do they sit and buy, buy, buy some fake companies, horns and hooves, that's understandable, and of course i can't help but ask , because today there was a statement from the government that shutdown schedules may change, in general, well, for the near term, starting from the end of july and so on, but we understand that autumn awaits us. no, because with all the disadvantages, especially for people who have hypertension, heart problems, some other things, and, of course, it is very difficult now without electricity, small children, sick people, this, this is absolutely a question, i see when people ... climbs on foot, sometimes i want to take those women in my arms and carry them up the stairs, but this is reality, but autumn, winter, especially cold, it is clear that the situation can worsen at times, in your opinion, according to your information, again anyway, are

certain works being carried out, without naming where and how, in order to minimize these risks from energy, the consequences of energy destruction, which the enemy caused to the ukrainian system, which he can continue to cause in the future, work is underway, there are already several. cities that are self-sufficient, there is an excellent solution to be implemented in zhytomyr, in khmelnytskyi, in short, there are solutions that allow at the level of cities a decentralized way to have their own generation, cogeneration of both heat and electricity, will this be enough, of course not, need to be restored on the central one equal generation and have a greater margin of safety, but... but in fact we will not be able to restore everything before winter, moreover, the business expects a reduction in the utilization of production capacities due to the lack of electricity by 10

percentage points, currently the production capacities are loaded at 45, will be at 34- 35% loading is negative, so the business has already ordered 100 hectares of gas piston generators, the business transports a lot of diesel and gasoline generators, so... i think that economic stability will still be achieved in this area, there we have literally two minutes, but then i would also like to ask about the prospects of the ukrainian hryvnia, whether it still depends to a large extent on whether we will succeed in reaching an agreement or not , or to what extent there is talk of e- restructuring of debts, or what, well, what to expect, because there is this information that the currency has become more expensive in the last two days, it is clear that this is not some critical thing, but in principle about some prospects. is it possible to talk about what you are saying now, that people are still trying somewhere to save or in foreign currency or in some other things, it really puts pressure on

the exchange rate, but i would not say that the situation is close to catastrophic, it is very far from it, the banking system is stable, the national bank even lowers the discount rate, which significantly improves the situation with lending, but he can do this because he controls it... the exchange rate of the hryvnia affects him, and i think that the national bank will not allow a significant devaluation, and there are many other economic circumstances that say that we have revenues currencies are significant, now we we will also receive 50 billion from the future revenues of frozen russian assets, a program with the european union is already in place, according to which we will receive 16 billion euros this year, so i am coming. currency into the country is significant, and because of this we do not have a currency deficit, the exchange rate cannot fall significantly, and by the way, do you estimate how much

people who left the country are transferring to ukraine now, it is significantly less, if before the war large-scale war, it was about 16 billion dollars a year, now the vast majority of that money remains in the west, but we have other sources of income, grants and loans from international partners, all the money is ukrainian, unfortunately, now the economies of the european union countries are picking up, some people are just surviving, but we understand, well, thank you very much for that, who joined, thank you for the difficult but important conversation, andriy dligach, economist, doctor of economic sciences, was with us in this studio, it was the verdict program, well, i literally don’t know how much time is left, i just want to tell you, that in any case we are expected, then we already are we live in trials. someone more, someone to a lesser extent for more than 10 years there, to a greater extent for two or more years, but in any case in this situation, well, exactly, when you know, they are talking about these

bridges, opportunities for ukraine in relation to nato, and i know that we have in us a part of the blood of the vikings who once came to kievan rus, when they swam to some land that they wanted to conquer, they burned their boats in order not to return, or perish or stay. there, well, actually, that's it should be our policy now, if we are not talking about ships, but about bridges, then it is probably worth burning what is behind us, because there is definitely nowhere to go back, there is bloody putin, who is even ready to kill ukrainian children in order to to achieve ours, and we have to achieve ours, thank you, see you tomorrow, take care, be with espresso. there are discounts representing the only discounts on eurofast softcaps 10% in pharmacies traveling to you and savings there are discounts representing the only discounts on esteen 20% in pharmacies

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