the key decision will not be in the negotiations, not in the economic sphere, but specifically on the battlefield, so we have to technologicalize the armed forces and improve the management system there faster than russia, this is a question for us, inflationary processes are unfolding in parallel in russia, there are already almost 1 % per week inflation unfolds, so russia is losing human capital at a rapid pace, well, i wouldn't even want to compare. what is really capital in ukraine, what we are losing, russia is losing, well, a living resource, let's say this, although they have a mobilization potential of 25 million, in five more than in ukraine, and in the end , personal, financial, and trade sanctions are working, and in russia there are fewer and fewer opportunities to sell, but the only thing that is not working effectively enough so far is the latter. sanctions

that would prevent the supply of dual-use products to russia. russia finds an opportunity to get chips and many other things that allow them to have the technology of the troops. well, it is not a big secret here that in these missiles, which, by the way, also arrived in okhmadit yesterday, x101, there were western components and even the united states of america, but this does not mean that it is the government of the united states of america that has given approval for their sale, they sell somewhere, let's say, some conventional refrigerator or something else, then they use it. those chips from various of various household appliances and so on, of course they have deployed whole offices that buy certain things in different countries, let's say the arabian peninsula, southeast asia, central asia, where else do they sit and buy , buy, buy some bogus companies horns and hooves, it’s clear, and of course you can’t help but ask, because today there was a statement from the government that...

shutdown schedules may change in general, well, in the near future, starting from the end of july and beyond, but we we understand that autumn and winter await us, because with all the negatives, especially for people who have hypertension, heart problems, and some other things, and of course it is very difficult now without electricity, small children, sick people, this is absolutely a question, i i see when people climb on foot, sometimes i want to take them in my arms women and carry them down the stairs, but this is reality, but autumn, winter is especially cold, it is clear that the situation can worsen many times. in your opinion, for your information, again, are certain works being carried out, without naming where or how, to minimize these risks from energy, the consequences of energy destruction, which the enemy has caused to the ukrainian system, which he may continue to cause in the future, work is underway, there are even several cities that are self-sufficient, excellent implementation solutions in zhytomyr, khmelnytskyi, in short there are... there are

solutions that allow a decentralized way to have own generation, cogeneration and heat and electric energy at the level of cities, will this be enough, of course not, we need to restore generation at the central level and have a greater margin of safety, but in fact we will not be able to restore everything before winter. moreover, the business expects a reduction in the workload of production facilities. due to the lack of electricity for 10% of points, the production capacity is currently loaded at 45, will be at 34-35% load, this is negative, so business in fact, i have already ordered 100 hectares of gas-piston generators, the business transports a lot of diesel and gasoline generators, so i think that economic sustainability will still be achieved in this area, we have literally two minutes there, but i would still like to ask if? about the prospects of the ukrainian

hryvnia, whether it will depend to a large extent on whether or not we will be able to agree or not, or to what extent we can agree on its debt restructuring, or what, well, what to expect, because there is this information that the last two days the currency is more expensive, it is clear that it is not a critical thing, but in principle about some prospects, can we talk now, and you actually say that people are now trying to save somewhere, either in foreign currency or in some other e. yes, it is true on the exchange rate, but i would not say that the situation is close to catastrophic, it is very far from it, the banking system is stable, the national bank even lowers the discount rate, which significantly improves the lending situation, but it can do this because it controls the hryvnia exchange rate , affects on him, and i think that the national bank will not allow a significant devaluation and... there are many

other economic circumstances that say that, since we have significant foreign currency inflows, we will now receive 50 billion from future revenues. frozen russian assets, a program with the european union is already in place, according to which we will receive 16 billion euros this year. therefore, the inflow of foreign currency into the country is significant, and because of this, we do not have a currency deficit, and the exchange rate cannot fall significantly. well, by the way, do you estimate how much is currently transferred to ukraine from abroad, the people who left are significantly less, if before the war, before the large-scale war, it was about 16 billion dollars a year, now... the important majority of this money remains in the west, but we have other sources of income, grants and loans from international partners, but this money is ukrainian, unfortunately, now the economies of the countries of the european union are growing, and some people are simply surviving, but we understand, well, thank you very much for

joining, thank you for a difficult but important conversation, andrii dligach, economist, doctor of economic sciences was with us in this studio, it was a verdict program, well, i literally do not know how much time is left, i just want to tell you that in any case we are expected, then we are already living trials, someone else, someone has been there to a lesser extent for more than 10 years, to a greater extent for two or more years, but in any case in this situation, well, exactly, when you know, they are talking about these bridges, opportunities for ukraine in relation to nato, and i know that we have in us some of the blood of the vikings who came once upon a time. in kievan rus, when they swam to some land that they wanted to conquer, they burned their boats in order not to return, or perish, or stay there. well, actually, this should probably be our policy now, if we are not talking about ships, but about bridges, then it is probably worth burning what is behind us, because there is definitely nowhere to turn back, there is bloody

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today will affect our tomorrow, watch the saturday politics club, every saturday on espresso. greetings fspress viewers. today , i, artem logutenko, and we are in the studio with you. let's talk about ukrainian civilians held captive by the russian federation, as well as the fate of political prisoners after their return from captivity. olga and i will talk about this topic with me in the studio skrypnyk, head of the administration of the crimean rights group. i congratulate you, mrs. olga. good day. and also with us in the studio will be akhtem cheygos, former political prisoner, people's deputy and first deputy chairman. committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on pre-occupation human rights and reintegration of temporarily

occupied territories of ukraine. mr. akhtem, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. i want to start our conversation by understanding how many ukrainian civilians are in captivity in the russian federation. according to confirmed official the data refer to almost 100% of people, but some public organizations say that this figure reaches 60 thousand. ms. ogliu, actually, to begin with, i want to ask you how it is possible to determine the number of ukrainian civilians who are captives in the occupied territories, the main problem, if we are talking about the determined numbers, is that russia generally does not report on these numbers , she does not confirm them, she generally does not admit that she is keeping civilians, that is why such a big difference in the numbers is one of... based, for example, on the registry missing persons, who are already more than 30 thousand, and this is only about civilians, and

it is clear that a large part of them, they are prisoners, in principle, the last figures that the same coordination headquarters called were that it is about civilian prisoners can reach 20 thousand people who are in various places of detention, well, it is clear that it is illegal, that is, in fact, these are people who were kidnapped, that is why there is such a difference in numbers, and each public organization has its own specific registers. who works with these territories and how ours, for example, is a crimean human rights group, but we document only what can be at least somehow confirmed, and we see that, for example, when they even take the occupiers of our people kidnapped from pidnia to crimea, many of them are in the stage , well , let's say in this status of the incommunicado, russia does not confirm them either to the ukrainian side, or to the families, or to the red cross there, to any international organizations, so actually you and i will not be able to name some final figure, because in principle, russia is simply hiding. number, mr. akhtem, that's the question to you, what should we actually do about it, how should we

account for the number of our captured civilians, we must continue everything that has been done for so many years, because, as correctly said, it is impossible to monitor every person there, these are tens of thousands of people, and many of them we don't know and we can't monitor, it's not the least... the role depends on the civilians themselves, who got into this or that situation, and besides, of course there are those who try to take advantage of this situation, there are not enough of them, let's say she has enough there, let's say to... in order to be considered there, this

our political prisoners, or politically motivated, tied up, because politically motivated is an even larger layer of people who are under repression, so this work, well, unfortunately, can only be done more so, widely run public organizations, and the state, the state, it works. according to a specific scheme, that is, there is a specific person, there is specific data, and she records them, well , it is impossible to apply any mechanisms, i recently heard one story, i will now check it as much as i can, we have a commission

at the ministry, yes, which, which... recognizes some or the other as political prisoners so that the state can help, and there are some, as i was told that some e-e services provide thousands of lists there, i now i just heard about it so far, but i will check it out. not because for the time being we will assume that this is not unverified information, that is, there are also such and such moments in this matter, i would say, where it is necessary to clearly define this or that person as a hostage, but

also as a prisoner, this not so simple. actually, ms. golgo, you have been doing this for quite some time topic, and as far as i know, you also talk about the fact that it is very difficult to identify and prove to a person that he was in captivity, and it seems that sometimes there are cases where a person tries to pretend that he was in captivity in order to get some kind of compensation, can you somehow comment on the words of mr. akhtem, well, i 'll start with what is valid. we have had the whole problem since the 14th year, in fact, when crimea was occupied and when the occupation of donbas began, if in crimea people could find at least some documents through there the same criminal affairs of the russian federation or the illegality of the courts, that is, if there were some verdicts that we do not recognize, but this is confirmation, then the situation has significantly worsened for civilians, especially after the 22nd year, because we have

part of the newly occupied territories, where, in principle, the russian the federation seems to have been built there now. judicial system, but mostly civilians, when they catch them, they do not provide any documents that can confirm this, that is, when people are kept in torture chambers, tortured, abused, raped, it is clear that the russians will not write a certificate about it and will not hand it over to a person, so the problem is that if you confirm the capture, you still have to provide at least something to confirm it, those who, for example, have convictions or some criminal cases, they provide at least these documents and it is enough to confirm. but still , most of those who apply, they do get this status. we are talking about the commission that establishes the fact of deprivation of liberty as a result of russian aggression. it has existed for many years, but it has been since the 22nd year restarted, because the corresponding law, which guarantees the protection of just such people deprived of their freedom in the framework of aggression, has fully entered into force. and actually i am a member of the commission, but not from the state, but from public

organizations. we have four non-governmental organizations there that work as much as we do directly in the occupied territories. we collect information, all government bodies, and it is the commission that establishes all this information, so for the most part we have positive decisions in terms of the fact that for the most part the commission is just the opposite confirms, but it must be understood that not only civilians, but also prisoners of war apply to this commission, the commission considers both of them, so why, because the law in our country defines several categories, the first is prisoners of war, they also have the right to establish this fact of deprivation of liberty, to receive appropriate assistance from the state and civil, which concerns... civilians, we have two groups, the first, which mr. agtem just mentioned, are political prisoners, as it often happens, they are called, but they are people , which precisely as a result of their activity, for their own activity, journalists, law enforcement officers, for example, there are people there who collected some information about violations of people's rights and so on, or, for example, they are crimean tatar activists, members of the crimean tatar people's mejlis, and that's why they were imprisoned, that's what

we call them usually, yes, it sounds like a political prisoner in the media, this is one subcategory of civilian. the second is, in general, in principle, what is currently unclear, especially in the newly occupied territories, is any civilians that the russian federation grabs in order to force or this person, or, for example, the state, or some bodies to take some actions, well , that is, in essence, when they grab our people, torture them there for connections with the armed forces of ukraine or with the sbu, and so on, demand to admit something, or in general, they encourage ukraine, for example, well, in the future it may be an incentive for negotiations, yes, certain exchanges, something else. that is, we are dealing with a terrorist state, and the russian federation can easily arrest people and increase these lists for some of its desires that it has, usually it's something that always hurts us, that's why. we have to understand that we have just these thousands and thousands of people, and it is very difficult for some of them, even after being released from captivity , to get at least some documents that can confirm this. that is why it is so important, if

we talk about what the state can do, it is the security service of ukraine, they try to investigate and collect information as much as possible, including from the occupied territories. therefore, we advise everyone to submit their appeal, both to relatives, to those with whom someone is being held captive, and to those who turned from captivity, contact the security service. they work normally, they really interview, that is, it is not some kind of terrible interrogation, i understand that people have survived captivity and it is very difficult for them to go back to some authorities and testify about something, but the security service of ukraine usually helps in this regard, on the contrary, they have information on other people, they can check with other witnesses and so on and so on, it is the same as contacting the national police, for example, from my experience, including work in the commission to say that, for example, the kherson region , after the liberation of kherson and another part, yes, our... of the armed forces of ukraine, investigators are very actively working there, and they are really trying to establish, just little by little, who, where, in which torture chamber sat, and therefore , when you contact the national police, even if it is difficult for you to find a person

who was in captivity for confirmation, other people have already been interviewed, they could see you, they can confirm it and so on, so there is indeed a certain percentage of people who appeal to the commission, but cannot at all simply do not provide anything, and then the commission asks to collect more information, apply again, and in principle, the number of times you can apply... there is no limit, it often happens that people who just heard about it, simply applied, in vain, wrote, for example , just an empty statement, just recognize me as a prisoner, yes, but no documents, no explanation was provided, then in principle either public organizations or the ministry of integration contact me to explain, please expand your statement, submit something additional, people again and again and again apply, and more rarely you can find other cases, which i think mr. ehtem mentioned, is that people sometimes ... try to take advantage of this situation, knowing that the establishment of the fact of deprivation of liberty also provides an opportunity to receive financial assistance, it is about payment once a

year of uah 100. and that's why it sometimes happens that people really turn and write about the fact that they were supposedly in captivity, but in fact there are no confirmations, neither public organizations, nor law enforcement agencies, and man, no one was able to confirm it. i think that there are still such cases, from what i can see even from the commission's practice, they are minimal. but we understand that the longer the war lasts, the more such people there may be. exactly why, when the commission says that at least some information about confirmation of captivity is needed, it is precisely in order to establish whether a person was really in captivity, because after all, there may be cases when a person simply wants to take advantage of the situation, although he himself there was no captivity. mr. akhtem, i wanted to ask you as a former political prisoner and as a representative profile committee, and which ones? you could give advice to relatives of captured ukrainian civilians, what they should do, so that later it would be easier to prove that their loved ones

are in captivity, more, i think, the main thing is to use informational opportunities, that is, not always with relatives, with relatives. there is an opportunity here to take these pieces of paper in hand and then disclose them, but when a person is caught, there is such a factor, first of all, the first term there is time, relatives generally try not to say anything, yes, and probably it will pass that way, so it is not takes place, and it is necessary... to give publicity, and then here and public organizations first of all , they start working on this information

, and in my opinion, this is such a fast single tool all these 10 years, but what about what we say about the sbu or others are our police or other institutions. after all, they are included in this work after some time and they rely more on some facts, documents, but they appear much later, or do not appear at all, so i still advise all relatives to contact to our public ob'. because it's more effective and the most important thing and you can say everything that you can't say at that moment,

officially, it's... er, it's a human factor, but it has to be taken into account. on june 28 , 10 ukrainian civilians were freed from russian captivity, among them two priests of the greek catholic church, art critic olena peh and deputy head of the medjlis of the crimean tatar people nariman dzhelal. i now suggest to watch. direct language, i'm already in ukraine, i met such handsome guys who gave me a club, no cry, don't cry, it's over, it's over, little one, we're together, i didn't lose hope that it would

end someday. although internally i was ready to endure the entire unjust term that was assigned to me in the occupation court of crimea. the most important thing for us was to know that ukraine continues to fight for its own freedom, independence, and this hope, this resistance, inspired us not to succumb to any provocations that were there. such inspiring moments, president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky, commenting on this liberation, said, that the vatican actually helped in the exchange of prisoners, and in view of this, i have a question for our guests, and first of all, mrs. oglya, for you, how actively are our western partners and international organizations involved in

the liberation of our civilians. well, as far as international organizations are concerned, until the 22nd year, i think, they were just such a peak of disappointment. most of the organizations not only did not join, in general, even fulfilling their mandate, many of them simply ran away, and even took with them the equipment which could help save people here, for example, there are armored vehicles, yes, there are bulletproof vests, fairy tales and everything else. unfortunately, it was just a shock for us, especially when we tried to help some people, to get them out of kyiv region, and it was strange to see that... knowing their mandate, they did not do it, so really to international organizations great distrust, but still, for example, the red cross is working on some cases, and on some civilians, for example, it is possible to get at least some letter instead of the trimans of the russian federation, but regarding directly, in terms of exchanges in the negotiation process, usually international organizations are not involved, because their mandate does not include political actions, but they are important in the context

of documenting there, confirming that... there is a problem and so on, so anyway we, for example, we also guide relatives to contact international organizations so that they too enter in their registers, and in their reports and so on, because these are, in principle, certain international documents that all other countries refer to, so it is more realistic to understand that political actions , that is, this negotiations, we see that, for example, participation in the vatican helped return 10 civilians, well, as we were told, therefore it is really important to rejuvenate certain countries, but among... these countries, especially partner countries, especially those that provide weapons to ukraine, it is clear , that it is unlikely that russia will go to negotiations, so they can look for other countries that, for example, do not have such direct partnership relations with ukraine, but they have good relations with the russian federation, so this way is also possible. also took place, and the summit took place of peace, and you and i know that there was a separate closed meeting in which

the ombudsman of ukraine also participated. dmytro lubinets and he said that a number of countries have expressed that they offer their direct participation and their platforms for negotiations, and i hope that this is not the last release of civilians, where we were all happy to return, including nariman dzhelal, who was arrested back in the 21st year, precisely because he took part in the crimean platform, which was launched then, and we believe that the countries of the crimean platform, there are more of them 60, just what they can take. participation in the release of our civilians, therefore, in principle , the most realistic for us are these political negotiations with the russian federation, but again, this does not exclude the fact that today russia released ten people, tomorrow it captured another 100. until the 22nd year, before the full-scale invasion of everything from crimea, yes political prisoners, those who were imprisoned in crimea,