peace, yes, and you and i know that there was a separate closed meeting, in which the obbutsman of ukraine, dmytro lubinets, also participated, and he said that a number of countries expressed that they offer their direct participation and their platforms for negotiations, and i hope that this is not the last release of civilians, where we were all happy to return, in particular riman dzhelal, who was tied up back in the 21st year, precisely because he took part in the crimean war. platform, it was then launched, and we believe that and the countries of the crimean platform, more than 60 of them, can participate in the release of our civilians, therefore, in principle, the most realistic for us are these political negotiations with the russian federation, but again, this does not exclude the fact that today russia has released ten people, tomorrow it will still 100 captured. until the 22nd year, before the full-scale invasion of everything from the crimea, yes political prisoners, those who were imprisoned in the crimea.

only eight people were returned as part of the exchanges, only eight, among them mr. akhtem cheygos, who was returned just then with the participation of turkey, but there are only eight people, and now more than 200 of them will play, this is only in crimea, what we know from the political affairs of crimea, so actually, unfortunately, while the occupied territories, we do not have any guarantees that new hostages and new prisoners will not appear, but the process is underway and this is the first such exclusively civilian exchange, because before that... after the 22nd, if they returned, then only as part of a military exchange -captives, but these were very isolated cases, i.e. this literally one, two, three people, several women were returned, but russia did not return people en masse, we only have those civilians who were then simply after capture, after they were released after torture, they were released and they got there on their own already to the pin control part of ukraine, but so that it was precisely within the framework of the exchange of some official negotiations with the russian federation, then in principle it is... the first such exclusively

civilian yes, exclusively the return of civilians without prisoners of war. mr. artem, i wanted to in fact, i want to hear your opinion, because as ms. olga rightly noted, you were returned to ukraine with the participation of istanbul, and i want to ask you, as a people's deputy, how lively the discussions with the governments are. on the inter-parliamentary level with other countries regarding the return of ukrainian civilians, can you tell us something about this? this is a difficult question, to be honest, now our partners or in which institutions the issue is not in the mandate, the issue is that they have not yet developed such a tool that would be effective. in order for putin, because

only he decides who to give and who not, no one else is there, there are many intermediaries, but they, as they say, do the work, not make decisions, why haven’t they developed such a tool, alas, as i said at one speech, that until now , still interests.

in democracy, but for some reason, for some reason, it is still so, for some reason it is very difficult to explain to partners that a person who is imprisoned for his views, for his uh, for his protests, and at the same time this, this state is a terrorist , the leader of this state, the main criminal, for some reason it is so easy signs contracts for many. by states that say they respect human rights as fundamental rights, democracy, yes, the democracy of the state, so we work as much as, no, i would say sufficiently active at all levels, i don't think it's about what - for example, china,

which we like, that is, there is no state in the world that would not somehow be involved in this great... war, yes, because, well, it is also technological, not only so direct, yes , with weapons, yes, as, as we are all used to, tanks, there, missiles, but they are working on something, then there is a technological factor in which china is also involved, that is, i do not think that the issue here is such neutrality of the state, its influence, yes, first of all, it is ours, our work is so monotonous and where we are very relevantly showing, deeply showing the actions of russia in relation to our citizens, and so far, well, what is there,

let's say, thousands of civilians, yes, i will not say the statistics of 98. because i know that it much more, but you know, so far it is difficult to say why the negotiations are constantly going on, i mean with our partners, friends of ukraine, but for some reason these issues are primarily dependent on the resolution of these issues. er, in front of putin, there are some of his interests behind it, for some reason it does not work, i will never forget when we met with boris johnson, yes, a great friend of ukraine, yes, you remember, but when we met, i frankly told him, i

've only been there for a year, i resigned and i say, i'm just begging you not to take part in this shameful world cup in... football, it's not necessary to do it at all, because putin is will use, among his cattle population, to show what he is, he is influential, he said, how is it possible, we are the founders of football, we can’t, it ’s politics and sport separately, yes, and then they shamefully dropped out of the eighth finals there , and then it became clear to him too, that is , how much more people will suffer, and this blood of ours will be shed, when everyone, including this

china or another, will understand that it is impossible to trade like this... with such principles as justice, international right, this is a rhetorical question, but this is the reality today, and the fact that the government, the state, and different politicians, and public associations, ours, well, are very actively working on this issue, this is, let's say, a guarantee that what we... will achieve , yes, we will, and we give hope, today i met with nariman, and he tells what i once felt, yes, that there is always hope, and that this hope gives them

the opportunity to hang on there, too, he is impatient, but continue to feel the spirit of a fighter. yes, because this is their front, this is the front of political prisoners, in which the enemy must be defeated there, with the right hands. as a matter of fact, on june 25, ukraine won a case against russia for violation of human rights in the european court of human rights. i'm curious to understand how important this decision is, and if it even matters at all, as we speak. about a country that doesn't count with any laws at all, mrs. ogle, what do you say? of course, it is not just important, it is an unequivocal victory in the legal, yes, ukrainian field, this is the first decision, just like the one in the first interstate case, and it was filed precisely in crimea. the first thing that is important is that

the court, the european court of human rights, that is not a ukrainian court, but an international court, it recognized all the violations that occurred, human rights violations, this is political persecution, this is discrimination, this. tours, illegal deprivation of liberty, imposition of citizenship and so on and so forth. everything that we have been talking about for so many years has been recognized, recognized by the court, and what is important, it has been unanimously recognized that the russian federation is responsible for this. everything, so it is a legal basis for all other actions. now we talked about the fact that people suffer from various sufferings and so on. it must be proven constantly. now we have something to refer to, this is the decision of the european court of human rights. what else, in the context of international practice in general, there were fundamentally new decisions that had not been made before, for example, regarding illegally created courts, regarding the practice of imposed citizenship, that is , it will affect even the practice of other states, because the european court is a court , which is valid for all other states that... go to the council of europe, it is clear that the russian federation has left the council of europe, we know that, but it is not means that this decision means nothing for

the russian federation. again, this is purely a legal argument. for example, when we talk about the already created international register, regarding the damage, yes, that was caused to us by the aggression of the russian federation. today, unfortunately, it only includes events from the 22nd year, but this decision just proves that people have been suffering from human rights violations since the 14th year, including crimea. i believe that it... be used in order to access the international registry, especially victims of human rights violations, such as illegal deprivation of liberty, political prisoners, so that people have had since the 14th year, this also applies to crimea and donbas, and we have a legal justification at the level of the decision of the european court of human rights. later, it will also be taken into account by all other judicial authorities that consider russian crimes, therefore, in principle, it is very important and it is the first that speaks so comprehensively and thoroughly about the responsibility of the russian federation for everything that is there . well, probably more so applied context, nevertheless, when we talk about european states, they

pay attention to the decisions of international courts, and this is a great reason to help break russian narratives, russian propaganda about how wonderful it is to live in the occupied territories, which is like russia came to release everyone, just this decision clearly confirms that russia came to kill, persecute and seize other people's territories, so i think that it should know not only legally. they have informational value, just to break russian propaganda in european countries, unfortunately, it is very serious there, we recently conducted monitoring and mention of crimea in many european countries, so, unfortunately, crimea is not so much there, and very often crimea is mentioned in a completely different way than we would like i wanted to, in completely different contexts, and, for example, not so long ago in the same 23rd year, famous politicians could say and allow themselves, even in europe, to say that well... not everything is so clear-cut, because crimea after all , there was russian and so on and so on, so it is important for us to work with it every day,

that is, it is a war in the information space, it continues constantly, russia has not spared turnover, russia just as powerfully throws a lot of money, a lot of resources into further promoting everything that it considers necessary, and crimea is one of the key narrative bases of just such the federation, through which it will still seek to break these international agreements, such as on donbas, let's negotiate, and... crimea will always be russian, if crimea is not deoccupied, it's not only that we will not be able to protect people, we will never be able to return safety to european region, so this is actually a very principled decision that should be used as much as possible, including in the information space. mr. ekhtem, you have a similar question, and i would also like to ask you how, in your opinion, it is possible to force the russian federation to comply with the decision of the european court. human affairs, you know,

this case has been going on for almost 10 years, yes, ukraine against russia, and that case includes both my case and another, but not all 10 years in the majority , our team, the state, it tried, well i will not be afraid of this word to force to comply first of all with these... laws and this right, which was produced by itself, produced by the institution itself, yes, the echr, because there were always some moments when inertia was very, very indecent, and i also had such an opportunity when at such meetings, and this is openly said in their faces, because we constantly... were faced with the fact that russia's influence on these institutions is quite powerful, all this

began, let's say, to become more active after the international criminal court recognized putin as a criminal, yes, i gave him permission to the arrest, but then, in my opinion, these processes went faster, further, that... what does this give us, well, in addition to what our colleague already said there in the studio, and for example, i will file another lawsuit . and for russia to be materially responsible, that is, this is the principle, and whatever it turned out to be, i rely on these norms, laws that were adopted by this institution, that is

, there are, so that they call and fulfill their own norms, that is, and property of russia. it exists in other territories, here and in ukraine, and it exists in other states, and this is fundamental, we need to continue to add to these criminals so that they know that it is not just like that, no, the deadline will not pass, yes, as they are used to, and for us politically, well, it is very important, it gives us a boulaska. that there were such thoughts, the situation in crimea is ambiguous, we all, let’s say, go through it very , very, very, very with such persistence, yes, let’s say, because that influence of russia is not going anywhere, it is sometimes less, and then

is growing again, and we need to continue to be so on the... low and i just want to say against the crimean platform, especially the parliamentary one dimension, which has already taken place on the territory of our european states, where we used such a very influential institution as parliaments.

no matter how much time passes, we will force the implementation of these international norms and laws, which clearly state that a terrorist state , such as russia, will respond, as the russians themselves say, to this strictness of the law. the last question i want to discuss with our guests is the question of rehabilitation. of our civilian prisoners, i would like to understand how it is happening today, and whether it actually in your opinion, ms. olga, should something be changed and improved in this context? well, we definitely need to improve, because unfortunately, unfortunately, if we talk specifically about rehabilitation and medical services, then this process

is not well established today, today we more or less have the procedure of providing material assistance, which i spoke about, and reimbursement there in... expenses for lawyers in the occupied territories, which are received by relatives in order to at least somehow keep in touch with people who are in prison, that's all in principle, more or less works fine, then the law that i mentioned, which guarantees the protection of such people deprived of their liberty, it also clearly contains regulations on rehabilitation measures, on medical assistance there, and so on, but during the 22nd and 23rd years there was no regulations for this, that is, the government did not adopt anything so that, in fact, the norms of the law began to work. that is, people simply did not have 22-23 years because of this bureaucracy, no, not providing the appropriate regulatory framework, people simply could not even use the law, which already works. these changes took place only in the 24th year, when it is normal to at least approve certain procedures at the government level, but now, in principle, they must now be actually implemented, medical facilities, rehabilitation facilities and so

on must be determined. again, this can be obtained only after there is a fact, when the commissions have established the fact, so we will. we return to that category of people who still cannot confirm the fact of being in polonia until they confirm it, accordingly they are not can apply for rehabilitation assistance, if a prisoner of war, for the most part it is all coordinated, because they are all released through the coordination headquarters, centralized, that is, they immediately receive all the information, they are placed in the appropriate measures and so on and so forth, for civilians such there are none, especially the civilians who return on their way, about whom i spoke, the majority of them, that is, i believe that as soon as the person returned. from the occupied territory, declared that she was a prisoner, or through the third country, it returns, yes, across the border of ukraine here to us, there must be some unified mechanism when this information reaches us immediately. about the fact that there is a person, and this complex of services is provided to him, and he does not walk through all the corridors, through all the authorities and begs for rehabilitation assistance. for the most part, so far, the cases with which we

work, where we helped prisoners and prisoners who returned to ukraine after captivity, they receive this help on their own or at the expense of public organizations. critical is, for example, that that everyone suffers from it, and i think mr. akhtem can confirm it, it's teeth, they all lose teeth. or the teeth are knocked out after torture, or the teeth simply fall out due to the fact that there are simply terrible conditions of detention. one person who returned from illegal imprisonment, he is a crimean political prisoner, his teeth cost at least 150 00 hryvnias, it's just another question, where is the person who returned after captivity, who has relatives yes all this time also yes were looking for this redina, waiting for where they will get such money, even 100 00, which the family can get after release, they don't... those costs, so certainly that's just one example of how complicated and expensive it really is, we have this arrangement today, but we have to make it so

that it's really easy for people to use, today it still does not work, so that people can receive rehabilitation, psychological and medical assistance without obstacles. uhu, well, we have such an unplowed field, mr. akhtem, then i will ask you now as a people's deputy, do you know? what are the problems with the rehabilitation of captured civilians and do you, as people's deputies, try in fact, the committee itself should somehow set up a dialogue with the government in order to resolve this? i'm on ordep, but i walk on the ground, ms. olya correctly said, i'm her olga, i'll support him, because here... here, you know, here, here everything is decided in the majority where it is decided in

such a manual mode, i.e. , again, they turn to public organizations, which then, and not only money, find people who would help them, exactly like that. because i myself have lost almost all of them, and now i saw and became the first priority, for repairs it must be done, because this is it, let's say, i already

know what problems there will be, but from the side of the state, from the side of the government, in this direction, so far it is as it was said. so centralized that everything is decided, which clinics will do it, for which money, yes, because there is no such thing, well, no matter how difficult it is to adopt a law and then make changes to it, but it is done, yes, on sorry, we want, we want to feed. quickly, but unfortunately, well, it doesn't happen, we can't do it so quickly, so once again, i appeal again that as

it was before, so today, first of all the locomotive of assisting these issues before the state and, first of all, before the parliament, this will be the role of public organizations, well , so what... we have a disappointing conclusion that the issues that the state should deal with is not a conclusion, no, it is not a conclusion, let's say this is the reality today, you understand, because i wouldn't say that public associations, they fulfill the role of the state, no, they are created for that, so that this state, this government... it, let's say, was more effective in these humanitarian issues, which are necessary

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