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impartially, you draw your own conclusions, we return to our large studio, the largest discussion platform of our entire state, we see the map behind us , even in khmelnytskyi, vinnytsia, zhytomyr, kyiv, but not in the city of kyiv, regions, kirovohrad, mykolaiv, still ongoing. and we hear the sound of an alarm, yes we have the sound of a strike in the lviv region literally 30 seconds ago the alarm ended, so we can no longer work here in the bomb shelter and welcome all our guests: serhiy vasylyuk, soldier of the 130th battalion of the 241st of a separate brigade of thero forces. the leader of the band shadow of the sun. good evening. and i didn't say for nothing at the end that you are the leader of the tin sun group. to all our viewers. wait for the end of ours.

program, there will be a surprise from serhiy vasylyuk. today, yuriy podlisny is the head of the ethics, politics, economics program, the head of the department of political science. good evening. taras batenko, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the deputy group for the future. good evening. andriy dakhniy is also with us, doctor of philosophy, head of the department of history and philosophy of the lviv national university ivan franko university. yuriy kamelchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people. congratulations. good evening. and you can immediately make a suggestion, you showed a map, a map of ukraine, everything is fine here, and a full map is very good, but for those who will feel more spiritual joy, it would be good to add bilhorod, rostov, what else is there, kursk , when they sound, we can show, let's return the map, well, over there, in principle, the crimea is temporarily occupied, there is also an air raid alarm, everything is fine with the crimea, and i must add, but to please those, who likes to enjoy it. there are also a couple

of russian regions, when something is flying to them, so that we know what is flying there, belgorod region, bryansk region, there is also one proposal, you have a majority in the parliament there, and one push of a button, so that these adjacent territories can be temporarily declared occupied territories, and whether we need a constitutional majority or not, we can, so you decide, well, i will propose, interesting, interesting ideas, in fact, it is good that we can... after the termination of the air alarm, start this broadcast and we are trying continue to live with, let's say yes, with an optimistic view of the future, because otherwise then why should we live at all and why should we do it, but the week is difficult, and today we all expected the nato summit from washington and yesterday announced how the civilized world will react to this barbarism that putin committed this week

strikes on okhmadite, strikes on the maternity hospital, columns of smoke over the capital of our country, it seems to me that during the war there were not so many such apocalyptic scenes in kyiv, and they were perhaps the most terrifying. taras bytenko, let's start from the end, would we like to hear from washington from biden, from nato, from stoltenberg, well , let's put it this way, decisively for and for. events and future steps, can we firmly expect, because in fact, many experts said that this will now become such a litmus test for putin, and he will either understand that he is allowed to do everything in our state, or for any barbaric blows he will get answers now let's start talking, we have a photo of valery zaluzhny, as they say, the first photo is without military uniform already after his resignation from his post, and he is in the role of ambassador of ukraine in great britain, here. such a picture,

you can look at it while mr. batenko will answer, i want to say that this week was definitely physically and psychologically very difficult for ukrainians, and... well, everyone experienced it differently, the world definitely experienced it in its own way , we once again heard a great deal of concern from many of our european and western allies about the airstrikes on ahmadit, on other objects that kyiv and not only kyiv suffered, i want to say that, that it is in a certain sense, for sure, that it was putinska, putinska such a greeting, the opening of... the anniversary summit, where ukraine probably did not expect, well, not for sure, but still did not expect to be accepted into nato, because we understood even when we were in washington a couple of months ago that the united states in the context of the presidential campaign did not have

they gave us a lot of hope, or in other words , they did not give us hope at all, that we would have some kind of application to join nato, and this application was not announced, but the very form... for this, for this so-called greeting from putin, the wording was very telling, so which was clearly stated about that at this anniversary summit washington, that the future of ukraine is the future of nato, and there can be no other opinions on this matter, that is, it was confirmed more than it sounded a year ago at the vinnytsia nato summit, these are very correct formulations , which , as you know, were made in the last days of preparations for the summit, and in this way , the wording itself may have been criticized in a certain way by the pro-russian part of experts, including those in the united states of america, so i believe what this wording is very positive for us.

the second positive news for us in this context is the definition of financial support, military financial support, which is included in nato's military budgets, in size. about 40 billion dollars for the next year, the 25th year, these funds are already there, they are already registered, already budgeted, well , they are actually already in the budgets, defense budgets of nato countries, including the united states of america, president biden signed in april months, this is not a small amount, that is, we understand what if suddenly there will be a hitch regarding when a major financial deal is completed by the united states at the end of the year and there will be a hitch in ratifying or voting on a new deal. of the united states of america, because we know that the elections and after the elections, elections, re-elections in the house of representatives and in the senate, this is actually the cushion, the military cushion, which will allow us, well, let's say this, to endure a difficult, difficult transition period between

the next stage of the military agreement, if there will be such a military agreement at all, if there will be a change, a conceptual change in the approach of the united states states, we also have to predict a lot with him, and predict a completely fugitive thing that... may happen to ukraine after the november elections, of course, that ukraine is somewhat in a hurry, because not only ukraine, but also our western allies are in a hurry, we are in a hurry to announce that we are preparing a second peace forum, we are in a hurry to say that we want to hold this peace forum before the us presidential election, in an inappropriate way, implying that we do not quite, for sure , believe that the current president has such an easy the prospects of being re-elected as president... of the united states of america, and the new, old, new president can complicate the procedure of, say, further support for ukraine, and i believe that the coming months will be, so to speak, key, as far as such a prospect is generally mobile, it is real, and in

this context orbán's mission is very important, i don't want to rush ahead, but to understand what it is, this mission, because i think that now, so to speak, feeling the shores, diplomat. no coasts, who can actually land on which coast, both from the side of ukraine, the western allies, and from the side of putin's russian federation, and so far, so to speak, there is no unequivocal answer to this question, until the month of november, i believe that we still have approximately the same situation as it is, that is, incitement, escalation of the situation at the front, containment of the enemy along the line, along the line of fire, and certainly that further... of our western partners, which is still dynamic, firm and confident. let's return to this photo, mr. kamelchuk, you told us about it, did we see it, our editors immediately put it on the screen, and what do we expect from valery zaluzhnyi as ambassador to great britain, what does this

mean for ukrainians? well, first of all, great britain is one of our biggest allies, it's a country that has a lot of diplomatic influence around the world. not only near the european continent, despite the fact that they left the eu, so it is such a certain bridgehead from where valery zaluzhny will be diplomatically from his new role. now to advance and win us even more supporters all over the world. we fully understand that the british diplomatic corps consists not only of politicians and diplomats, but people of certain elites who have been building certain political, other business relationships and so on for decades, and sometimes it stretches back to families. therefore , his role is extremely important there, and we expect strengthening of support for ukraine in general. and what do you think, will valeriy zaluzhnyi be able to be, we have many ambassadors in different

countries, yes, that is, we talk a lot about zaluzhnyi in britain, because we are here in ukraine, we lived at the time when he was the commander-in-chief of the troops, will he be able he in britain to play such a powerful role? i'm sure and i'll tell you why, i've been to britain twice in the last two years, i talked to politicians. different levels, the first thing i will just remind once again is that britain is extremely aware of all the events and details of these events that are happening in ukraine, more than the average european, they just live by these news and events that are happening in our country, secondly, they extremely respect valery zaluzhny for the achievements that were before he left this position, so i am sure that no there will be no problems, moreover, well... he was specially prepared for entering this position, not that he just took it and came, but on

the other hand, well, maybe a small pebble in the direction of representatives of diplomacy, in five years i have seen different diplomats, and valery fedrovovich is a very wise and worthy candidate to become an outstanding diplomat. anatoly khrybchinskyi is with us, he is an aviation expert. deputy general director of military tech. mr. anatoly, congratulations, glory to ukraine. congratulations to the heroes. also let's go back to the events that took place at the beginning of the week, because they definitely did not leave us indifferent, i think ukrainians are still moving away from everything that happened, but in this program we also have to analyze the actions of the enemy , how he does now, how he looks. and his tactics, because experts are also analyzing it, which you can say, which you can note

from what we see after such an airstrike, in particular in kiev, when they hit the largest children's hospital in europe with a missile. let's start with the fact that putin likes to kill children, he did it in syria, he did it in his other, even russian cities, so in principle, let's remember. strike on the drama theater, so in principle it should be noted here that, of course, trying to get to the hospital was the main task during the shelling from the russian federation, this is even due to the fact that the missile used for the strike is programmed in advance, and that is, the coordinates of the whole are introduced before this missile hits the plane, i.e. the crew cannot float in any way, for example, the name of the coordinates of these missiles, and relatively directly. massive shelling, here it should be noted that russia combined strikes at the expense of, for example,

ballistics and aeroballistics, it covered strikes with cruise missiles, and in principle, if you look at the statistics, before we actively shot down almost all cruise missiles, but there were problems with ballistics, this time we shot down most of the ballistics, and the cruise missiles were somewhat due to the passage along the same vector as the ballistic missiles, russia helped break through our air defenses. definitely should raise the issue of strengthening air defense, it is definitely necessary to talk about obtaining more radar systems, because we constantly talk about missiles that shoot down other missiles, but we forget that it is necessary to strengthen the means of radar, which would create more opportunities for detection and tracking in terms of goals, and of course, we need to communicate with our western partners, regarding the fact that it can be easier to transfer several long-range missiles that... will blow up several russian airfields, than to constantly release and look for missiles for air defense.

now the air alert has ended, just a few minutes ago, ukraine turned white on the maps of the monitoring groups, and again, this is something that has not happened for a long time, an evening rocket attack, when all of ukraine turns red, what do you see in this, mr. khrapchynskyi, what tactics in the coming days from. of the russian federation in the coming weeks too, because, well, we remember that for more than six months all the missile attacks and attacks by the shaheds were, well, so late in the morning, you can say, 5-6 in the morning, now this... week in working hours, in the morning, but during working hours a flight arrived in kyiv, and now in the evening around 9 an alarm, they finally changed tactics and to which one? uh, again, the latest information events that are happening, the nato summit, which involves the official transfer of f-16 aircraft. reinforcements of anti-aircraft defense. russia already had

the experience when it thought that we did not have such, but we worked on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea. attacks, so now russia is actively trying to find out whether we have already received planes, how exactly we will repel these attacks, at the expense of obtained by f-16s, or still by old methods, it should be noted again that for more than a month russia is now actively trying to find out where we plan to base the aviation and how we will use it, which is why it is constantly changing its attack tactics in order to to understand what can... happen in the airspace of ukraine, of course, it should be noted that the reinforcement by means of aviation, that is, f-16 planes, will significantly affect the capabilities of the russians, which is why they are very afraid of it. well, maybe, in this way, they want to, well, definitely aim at f-16 planes, if they have information that theoretically they can be on the territory of our state, but at the same time, if they were, then they would also

be engaged in air defense and in this way the russian federation would receive information that... already these f16 there is, that is, in this way they will feel what ukraine has, that’s right, i understand you, in fact, in fact yes, they will feel whether there is something in ukraine, they will try to break through our air defenses, try to strike at our airfields, and a demonstrative strike along myrhorod and then disseminating this information through the mass media in order to show our european partners or western americans that we are not ready to protect the airfields. this is a demonstrative effect of the fear that the russians feel before we get the f-16s. by the way, i would like to return to the defense of our airfields, here it should be noted that some narratives are incorrect that are spreading among us in our information space regarding the preparation of airfields, because in fact we should not forget that we have active combat operation and protection of airfields, we constantly talk

about the protection of aircraft, but we do not say about the protection of airfields in general. because the airfield has both anti-aircraft defense equipment and means of providing the same webs as radar equipment that help the plane to land, for example in bad weather conditions, so in principle it should be understood here that in the conditions of hostilities, using your own example i can explain that being, for example, in iraq, during the separation of freedom, i saw how the americans preserve their aviation during the war. that is, it is a normal operational protection, and in case of any threat, planes take off and protect the same airfield. it should be understood here that in addition to the effective airfields located in ukraine , there are a large number of sites that can be used as airfields, which can deploy a fully

operational airfield in a matter of minutes and operate from the necessary distance. that is, we are talking about what is great. the number of so-called jump airfields in order to provide or strikes on the front line, or strikes along the border, so again, let's lead by force, because the air force does a lot to ensure the protection of our airspace, here's a question for diplomats, here's a question for our deputies about some legislative norms , which would allow, for example, to improve the work of our military, because i will repeat myself again, i will return to a painful topic, we very often like to talk about a million drones, but recently there were warehouses in kyiv, there are about 40 thousand warehouses in kyiv drones, which can be bought and questions in money. one more question for you, but i will say that volodymyr zelenskyi reacted emotionally to what happened to the hospital hit, he

said in an interview at the ronald reagan institute in the usa, here is his quote, i am a father, i am the president , i am a human being, when you see these people, parents, when their children die, at such ... moments, you want to kill putin. there was information that this russian x-101 missile, which hit the okhmadit hospital , consists of components of western production, the financial newspaper writes about this times, citing experts and ukrainian officials. russia is producing almost eight times as many of these x101s as before the full-scale invasion, although all that depends is on spare parts and western countries, particularly the us. and immediately. mr. khrepchynskyi, before your answer there is preliminary information that now in khmelnytskyi there is also x101, what does this mean, i.e. they have these spare parts, how do they get to them, bypassing sanctions, that's all? ok, everything works. let's start with the fact that any russian weapons the federation has many elements of the western model. all aircraft operated by the russian

federation have many foreign assets. this is due to the fact that russia does not have the opportunity to produce some elements, but there is a need for high-tech solutions for that aviation, for those missiles that are currently in use. in principle, ah, since the 12th year, it has been actively used somewhere. for example, avionics on airplanes in french, which allowed russia to actively sell its airplanes abroad, saturation of rockets with certain elements, in fact, this is also here as a positive, so is the negative, the positive is that russia cannot produce by its own means, that is, we can influence it, the negative is that russia has learned to circumvent these sanctions more strongly, it is clear that iran is helping, china is helping, but there is definitely the answer is, how can we solve it by destroying, for example, the objects where the working design documentation is located, this will lead to the loss of potentially brain information about how it should be collected or how to build, therefore, in fact, that is why

we must actively raise thesis about the use of western weapons on the territory of the russian federation, because certainly strikes on factories where the working and design documentation is located will lead to the loss of certain technologies, as, for example, russia has lost the technology of building engines for... and such strategic aviation. thank you to anatolii khrepchynskyi, an aviation expert, for tuning in, for analyzing the essence of what is happening in our country right now, live in the life of our state, because air alarms are spreading again, already khmelnytskyi, vinnytsia, kyiv region, kirovohradsk, mykolayivsk, odesa are flying shaheds in the direction of khmelnytskyi region, and if there is an alarm in lviv region, we will descend into bomb shelters. serriy vasylyuk, now i have a question for you, what happened after getting on okhmadit, well, it's in principle. it is clear that the ukrainian people were alarmed, we have already seen everything, but every time it is perceived with absolute anger and hatred for our enemy, but discussions began in

society about what bloggers, who have a great audience in social networks, that something should be done about this, that it should somehow be finished, stopped, this is not going to be on putin's terms, this is this, is it peace on putin's terms, that's what you can call it. but if you read people's comments, then there are many who also believe that somewhere, where they are ready to support the fact that something should be done about it, it's another matter, well , how do i think about it, what can be done with a terrorist who acts like this actions and is not going to stop, but what do you think about it, what can you say to the ukrainians, who maybe we also have among our viewers, who believe that it should be completed somehow. putin raises the stakes and tests the strength of both the west and ukraine. but to expect

a peaceful truce is naive, because putin started this war, and obviously, until he achieves his goal, he will continue to try to subjugate ukraine by all means. even if you imagine some kind of utopia there. which i think is still correct, zelensky said that putin must be killed, that is the main thing, and the enemy must be killed, and putin is precisely the main enemy, but it is another matter that, of course, it is very difficult to do, but to go on some kind of appeasement, i can’t imagine this, because they have the task of making ukraine so... for themselves, at least a satellite, a satellite of ukraine, that is, of russia, i apologize for ukraine losing its de facto sovereignty,

independence, and everything , it is another matter that on the contrary, after what putin has done, our leaders should also comprehensively include... the legal regime of martial law, and again, this is already a signal so that, for example, we can rearrange our strategic enterprises in favor of the armed forces forces, because we are short of shells, short of ammunition, no there are a lot of things and drones, they are not enough, well, this is one of the points, and we still have surplus profits going offshore, that is, some are sitting in the trenches, while others are enriched. totally, fancy foreign cars drive around lviv and kyiv, volunteers collect 30 hryvnias each and drop off for the guys to...

collect, it’s absurd, but, well, the western countries, which of course are our allies, should to be more actively involved in helping ukraine, with such joint efforts, let's say, correct internal reforms of our country, and plus the support of the west, we can still, maybe even go ahead with another counteroffensive, well, otherwise , i recently went to... just in the evening i visited ahmandyt, because before that i did not have the opportunity, i admire our people, how inspired they are, how much self-sacrifice they have . how to finish, you want to give a certain

territory, well, we already have everything. it just the main trend, even in social networks people write that all the taxi drivers there only talk about this and say that it is necessary to finish, i calmly ask her, so what, it was already, as the classic also said, and, that is, after they captured debaltseve, we have the front line, let's say so, although at that time they said that it was the oo there, but it remained more or less stable, that putin, it stopped putin from attacking there. on ukraine, but no, it did not stop, well, we can now, once again, agree to the current demarcation and to hope that he will not attack us further, well, that is naive, childishly ridiculous, that is, he will attack, his goal has not changed, our goal is the same, well, that’s right, and vitaliy portnikov says, that is, we have an existential war, that is we have either we or they, you understand, that's why here... zabushko

wrote about it: one people, one single people must remain, either we or they, that's how they broadcast it, we have a link to the map , my dear, tell me what kind of collection this is, because you definitely know the details, we show it during the broadcast, our audience will be able to to join yes, dear lord, i thank you very much, the invitation to the program, in general, this is the card of my air reconnaissance unit of the 130th battalion, we work in the bakhmut direction, including me, now i find. on a business trip, this is due to the fact that on july 13 , already this saturday, i will be playing in lviv, in the lviv coffee mine, at 7 p.m. i invite everyone, there we will also collect for drones, and of course, we have great hopes for our audience, which can also help us just now to replenish the park of our night and day birds, with which we track the enemy, with which we destroy the enemy at the expense of drops, with which we help our infantry, which

sometimes has to... drop water, food, which is in the trenches, in completely inhumane conditions, sometimes for several weeks, and there is no other chance, how, for example, to really help them there with the same drones, we are doing everything possible to hold back northern donetsk region from the enemy's offensive, i am happy that , like last year, i live in kostyantynivka now, it has become very familiar to me this city, and i am happy that we hold the enemy after all on... the other side of the canal, he captured a new time, he is trying to cross the channel and capture the time of the yar, but still, so far he does not succeed, and relatively speaking, the lives of the residents of kostyantynivka, druzhkivka, kramatorsk and sloviansk are in a conditional safety, and you have to do everything possible so that it doesn't get worse, but of course, so that it gets better, i will say for myself that every hryvnia is important, if you

have the opportunity to drop a few hryvnias. do it, please, because there are many of us, let it be a small amount, but we can contribute in this way. yuriy podlisny, to you word, here in these messages that are spread in our society, that this war must be ended, there, not under any, but almost under any conditions, the main thing is that people do not suffer. how much of this is a russian trace, how much of their activity, this subversive, do you think, how do you see it? you know, maybe i live in some special bubble, but among my acquaintances, friends, colleagues there , there were no people with whom i cross paths, there are no such people who would talk about some kind of fatigue, that it is i have to finish, i will tell you another curious case, a former student of mine, she got married, now lives in rome, she once called me and told me what happened to her in the stairwell, ran out...

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