orbán wanted the polish law and justice party led by yaroslav to join this group, they refused precisely because they do not want to support russia, huh, but he wanted the party of robert fitz , the prime minister of slovakia, to join there, they they didn't want to either, because they are a strange left-wing party, they are essentially, well, we laugh, but they are ideologically a left-wing party, they are social democrats, well, just like that, but... what to expect, so in this regard there is absolutely obvious situation when we understand that is happening with how all these forces are formed, and here i was talking to you about orbán, about his tour, this tour is part of this history, which he shows. to those who

unite there, that you can be in nato, you can be in the european union, you can be friends with donald trump, meet xi jinping and vladimir putin at the same time and go to kyiv. no one, you know, will stop orbán, whose time has come. here he is, showing. this is, in principle, the model that they would all like to implement. so that they can focus on trump so that they can take money from china so that they have nothing for it, so that they can somehow understand moscow's worries and so that they have nothing for it, this is such political multipolarity is leaving and, by the way, the multipolar world about , what vladimir putin says is what they say, and by the way, at the same time, they would like to come to kyiv and show that they support the courageous ukrainian people, you see how their position has all changed, marine le pen went there to orban. and she says that she is

supports ukraine almost like george meleni, with the only difference that george meleni does not go to moscow and has never been there , unlike marine le pen and matteo salvini, who also joined orban's group, the leader of the league party , which is the most important partner in the italian government coalition, just think that in fact the person who is the vice-premier in the coalition of giorgi meleni in italy once... at the same time creates with viktor orbán an alternative group whose aim is to reduce the influence of maloney herself, that is a challenge to georgia maloney and a challenge to the italian politicians, including, this is part of me, well, listen, this is italy, salvini can think that in this way he will win the parliamentary elections and become the prime minister himself, he has no problem to support george meleri, he has the task of destroying it, as with... it always happens in

italian politics, so there is always this question, and here, for example, the conversation between orbán and trump, what can be learned from this, trump, orbán very much expects trump to become president, that's clear, he, he's about it frankly, he dreams about it, in fact, it is clear that this will also be his political gain, what topics could be discussed there, well , i think that there should be anything. could be discussed, the only thing, i don’t really understand how orbanska tells trump, and you like the chinese proposal, that is, how much he managed to hide from trump the fact that he is traveling around the world with the chinese proposal, but he could generally discuss with trump that , how to end the russian-ukrainian war, he could share with trump his observations about negotiations with putin and zelenskyi, it could be, by and large, he could talk to him about this. faction, because this faction is

also a faction of trumpists, these are people who will support trump, not only them, because there will be more willing ones, but they may want to be the main supporters of trump in europe, this is also an absolutely obvious moment, about which it is necessary to say, so that in this situation it can be assumed that orbán is not playing his part, well, in principle, he is the same. does not hide, he already spoke at the beginning of this tour, you understand that i cannot be a mediator, and by the way, everything that volodymyr zelensky says about viktor orban, he cannot be a mediator, because he does not have such an influential country, to be a mediator between russia and ukraine in such a war. but he also says exactly: i cannot be an intermediary, i have no economic resources, i do not have that, i do not have that, i do not have anything, well, there is no, but the potential to travel with... to interview those who

have the potential , he has, and indeed he has here to a certain extent, a gain, because who else can afford such a thing, who can go to kyiv, moscow, beijing, washington at the same time and visit maralago, no one, but on the other hand, the content of this, he went for a drive, what’s next , putin did not even begin to hide how he feels about all this when he organized this attack on the hospital, in kyiv, by the way, we must remember that he also organized the day when he was in moscow on ren ramoda, yes, prime minister of india, by the way, this is what i wanted to ask about, modi's visit to putin, in fact, it is clear that putin still chose , here, as they say, a double bottom: on the one hand, putin chose this date before the nato summit, on the other hand, putin actually chose

this date for this attack when he came to him, well, the newly elected the prime minister of india, the head of one of the largest , in fact, the head of the country with the largest on se. in the world and, in fact, what putin wanted was to legitimize himself, especially on this day in the eyes of the world, and to some extent he succeeded in this, but he did not turn around and leave, well, at the same time show mody what you see, i can do anything i want, and you won't get anywhere, but mody, how do you assess his visit to russia, what was the purpose of this visit, and... and what is the position of the prime minister now - minister of india regarding the russian-ukrainian war. we saw that here modi was trying, as they say, to sit on two chairs, and by the way, he was in russia for two days, two days

is quite a significant visit. well, look, beyond all doubt, fashion does not like this war. ugh. and he, by the way, never does that was hiding he was the first politician to say this out loud to putin. in samarkand in 2022 at the summit of the shanghai cooperation organization. and, by the way, already after his visit to moscow, when he was in vienna, he met with the federal chancellor of austria karl niehamer, he also said this, and in moscow he spoke about the suffering of innocent children. he says it all. on the other hand, he has, if you like, his own national interest. the national interest is connected with the fact that he, one way or another, is a person who is forced to think. on chinese-russian partnership, it's a much bigger challenge for him than it seems. china is a real geopolitical competitor of india, the relationship between them is getting strained, between these countries, they didn't have a very easy relationship anyway, the relationship is getting strained between the leaders, to the extent that

in recent years, i would say, xijianping has been boycotting all high-level meetings , chaired by modi, and modi boycotts all high- level meetings chaired by shizenpi. in 2022 , what... and they have this real competition and there is a fear that china is a serious threat for... and that is why, by and large, modi is now trying to revise the very system of relations between the united states, the fact that, for the first time in the history of these countries, it was precisely during the presidency of biden, they signed a strategic partnership agreement, and we

understand that this a very important agreement for the simple reason that one way or another this agreement provides for the deepening of relations between. on minyudel, and this is china's challenge. and by the way, this is not the only agreement, as you know, india is already included in a number of military alliances by the united states, in the asian and hekan regions. but at the same time there is a problem of china and russia. that is, when modi hears that putin insists on a strategic partnership between china and russia, it is a challenge for him. and he may believe that... that this strategic partnership is simply against india's national interest, relatively speaking, he cannot afford the luxury of leaving putin in the arms of xi jinping, which putin has not done. and putin knows this, so he can afford anything.

another important domestic political point. these parliamentary elections in india did not end the way modi expected. and for the first time in history. in general, the political career of modi and the national federal, let's say so, his party, the haratiya jenata party does not have a majority in lopsaki. boxabhi in the lower house of the indian parliament cannot form, form a government by itself, it is forced to form a government with the parties that are part of the bloc, with this party, as if there is nothing special, but this is a political humiliation, because in principle it is the loss of parliamentary seats, it is a necessity to part with the idea related to the fact that it will be possible to change. the powers of the government, all this will not be there, but there is another point,

this is the strengthening of the opposition, the strengthening of the india bloc, which was formed on the eve of this parliamentary election, and the central party in this bloc is the indian national congress, which is headed by rahul gandhi, the great-grandson of jowahar lalanero, the grandson of indira gandhi and the son of rajiv gandhi, all of them prime ministers of india, and it was during the time of these prime ministers, jewahari first of all. of course, the construction of a special relationship was built between new delhi and moscow, you know, as in the anecdote about dear and indira gandhi, said leonid brezhnev and it was a meme of the soviet times, and this is not just a model of cooperation, it is also a model of military cooperation, it is also a model of serious political opportunities of the soviet union in region, kindir gandhi's predecessor as prime minister. india's lal bahadur shastra, generally died in tashkent. and what was he doing there? he met there about

the end of the war with pakistan, with the then president of pakistan ayubhan, a the mediator in these negotiations was the chairman of the council of ministers of the soviet union oleksiy kasygin. can you imagine the level of influence? so, for narendra modi, this means that if he diverges too much from moscow, moscow may start playing a new game with the opposition in india. as of now, by the way, she has already started playing the game. with the position in turkey, she did not see it, one might say, point-blank, especially before the last presidential election, but now that it has become clear that recep tayyip erdogan is not going to give up the, shall we say, special relations with the united states, in the future his party may lose the presidential and parliamentary elections, moscow is already beginning to take certain steps in relation to the opposition in turkey to the people's republican party, but the turkish opposition is traditionally more liberal.

statehood is legitimized by the agreements of vladimir lenin and mustafa kemal, this must also be remembered, so in this respect, it is also a legacy, that is, when there is an understanding that moscow can play with your opponents, you also try not to give it such opportunities and show that you are the best partner, because it is absolutely obvious that with the indian national congress, russia can establish a special relationship, well... there is no need to doubt that either, so in this regard , of course, on rendra moji is forced to come,

forced to talk and he is forced to endure this insult, because on the day of his arrival , to shoot at the hospital, to kill children, this means a lot in indian not even political, but everyday culture, of course he was furious, don’t even doubt it, but what the hell, he already there, he did not turn around and go maybe it's to spoil relations with moscow, again... to cover the green street for china, it won't be right, of course, many people in india generally believed that he shouldn't go, that he shouldn't go there, and to maintain a certain balance, well, relatively speaking, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, visited new delhi, you know, in principle, this also distinguishes the indian attitude to the conflict. from the chinese, however, yes, yes, unfortunately, there has been no visit of the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine to china yet, i believe

it would be good if he was, but he was not, he was in india, well then it was possible to maintain relations at this level, not to exchange visits at the highest level, to invite russian foreign minister sergei lavrov to new delhi, but to exchange visits with putin was possible already after the political settlement, well, that's clear, but then again, you understand what moji is guided by. the fact that one way or another he has to hold putin's hand, another hand, and not the one sydzin is holding, well, don't forget that in any case there is a visit, there is no visit. the very fact that india buys russian oil, this is already a telling fact from the point of view of what is happening in indian-russian relations. i have repeatedly said that if india did not buy russian energy carriers and china, then in general this war would have stopped a long time ago, because they would not have the money to continue it. it's a kind of vicious circle,

andriy, you know, on the one hand, western countries are imposing sanctions against russia. of the russian federation, they call them sanctions from hell. we have said many times that in fact, if these sanctions were implemented earlier, then we could solve these issues absolutely calmly and there would be no war. do you understand? these sanctions were introduced, and nothing changed, because it turned out that during this time another economy appeared, chinese-indian, relatively speaking, but this economy exists at the expense of good people. economic interaction with the west, it is not by itself, it is not in an airless space, and it turns out that the west adopts sanctions against such countries as the russian federation, as the islamic republic of iran, as north korea, hoping that these sanctions should force the rulers of these countries to reconsider their foreign policy, on the one hand, and on the other hand, he continues

economic cooperation with china, and china supports the economy of china and iran. and from north korea and other such countries, and they may not pay attention to the west, is it possible to prevent this, i can tell you how, it is necessary to remove from the territory of the people's republic of china all factories that are assembled with the manufacture of industrial products, assembly in essence of these industrial products, and strengthen customs duties on chinese products, this will be such a blow to china. after which its economy will collapse, as if there were no years of success, but it will also be a blow to the west, but if the west even hints to china that it can do this, here we are, here you are supporting russia, god be with you, we you've been told everything, well then we start from january 2025 requiring

our companies operating in your market to close their assembly plants, right? as they did in russia, otherwise we will impose sanctions on them in in our countries, on the mask, on everyone, on iphone, on apple, you should not have any assembly, assembly in taiwan, in mexico, in south korea, assemble, in india, no, by the way, i will kill you , i'm sorry, some of the production facilities have really started in recent years. moving towards india, and india also trades with russia, and india also trades with russia, and it turns out that there is also a closed circle here, uh, so india needs to say this, but now the main basis for russia's economy is not india, india buys energy seeds, but completely russian the economy is replaced by chinese goods and chinese spare parts for the military

of the russian federation, they assemble weapons from chinese components, the thing is that you have to start with china. well, but they don’t do that, so then we have to say that these sanctions cannot work, that this is a game of sanctions, that the west really suffers more than russia, and this is a vicious circle, and they created it themselves, and no one no way can say, you know, we live in a completely different world, in this world there is no such economy in the west, what was it 30 years ago, 30 years ago the economy of great britain was bigger than... the economy of the people's republic of china, let's say, what is the economy of the people's republic of china, the maut zadun demanded that this steel be brewed in agricultural cooperatives, almost in the houses of the peasants , so he wanted to overtake the soviet union there in the united states, it was a completely unmodern childlike economy,

with a huge population that could not be fed, but now everything is different, now it is... this is a country that in the last decades seriously developed, but you understand, it seems to me that we did not understand this aphorism with which the founder of modern china , deng seoping, entered history, he said, it does not matter what color the cat is, as long as it catches mice, and we always believed , which is meant, it does not matter whether it is private property or state property, as long as there would be welfare of the population, but it is not the welfare of the population of the language, it does not matter what... the color of the gut just kept the power of the communist party, that is what it means, and that means that it is also from the market, that it is not about welfare, that from the market economy there are three... so calmly refuse if it will interfere with the power of the communist party, but on the other hand, if economic problems also interfere with this power, then they will

try to avoid these problems, you can play with them, but the west is afraid, because the whole western system of the last 30 years, this consumer society is famous, it exists at the expense of cheap chinese labor, and i always came to... in horror you know i was in a city in the netherlands on the border with germany, which is visited by tens of thousands of german tourists every day, not a very famous city, i can't remember the name even now, but this city has always been known as the center of the textile industry e- uh... no netherlands, it's like, if you like, dutch, dutch, really speaking, and there's not

a single textile factory left in this wonderful place, not a single one, they're all located somewhere, in this, in china, and that's right, that 's proede, i even remembered this city, enschede, this is a problem, mr. vitaly, not only in enschede, it is a problem in so. it was very revealing, because they built it there and are very proud of it, a fabulous city, ugh, the most modern, repurposed factories, it’s all shopping centers, swimming pools, entertainment centers, germans go there, shopping, entertainment, great atmosphere, but there is no production, well the same story, by the way, when there are well-known... pei brands, manufacturing ones were bought by the chinese, yes, that is, we will not name, but there are

huge auto giants, car manufacturers that were bought by companies from china, there are telecommunications companies that were bought by companies from china, they now work on the territory of the european union and beyond, including. including in china, and this is essentially the same chinese expansion, that is, it not only continues through the transfer of production from the european union to china, but it also continues through the targeted purchase of enterprises, successful, famous, branded, european companies, buy them by the chinese, of course not, not without the blessing of the chinese communist party, but they buy, they invest it, and here i absolutely agree with the fact that europe

can also suffer from and from such sanctions, that is why they do not introduce them, you and i here come to the point that we have an answer to the question why they try to even avoid discussing such even. to avoid hinting to the people's republic of china why we will not impose such sanctions because they understand that it will hit them first, their citizens, their companies, their gdp, in the end, that's the answer to the question, so that europe, conditional and china are connected in a very many areas of the economy. e-e is connected with financial, financial things, and it will hit the citizens, and if it hits the citizens, it will also hit the ratings of those

political forces that are in power today in one or another european state, this is immediately negative, if no no not dozens, then percentages, percentages, percentages and again... i absolutely agree, that's why i say that we are in a vicious circle in this regard, so when they say how to stop russia, here's how, how to stop russia, if we are afraid to press china, i say, that's why i believe that this story is related to the declaration of the nato summit, this is already an important thing, because they have never spoken so harshly about china. and never gave such signals that you actually support russia's war of aggression, that we will count with it, that we have to fight it, what

does it matter? or china, china immediately starts announcing almost the next day that it will conduct military exercises from the russian federation, at the entrance to the south china sea, a strategically important thing, and they are going to conduct these training, that's all, and they are absolutely sure that this is their signal, you see, they demonstratively do not respond to these signals, these harsh assessments of the chinese role in the war, they largely started with a visit to beijing by the state. of the united states, anthony blinken, who clearly told the chinese that if the leadership of the people's republic of china will not take action against those of its firms that continue to cooperate with moscow, then america itself can do so, and xizenping did not respond to this, in fact, now on declaration nato, they also reacted by saying that this is a lie, that china is being deliberately accused,

and issued a special statement. we will have military exercises with russia, that is, they continue to play their game, this is the essence of which no one will tell us who we should deal with, if you want to somehow get rid of this war, negotiate with russia, and we will help, that's their whole logic, well and by the way, one more signal, i think, is very important to china, this is the way the participants of this anniversary summit were selected, because in addition to the president of ukraine, well, he invited there the president of ukraine was quite natural, the leaders of south korea, australia, new zealand and japan were there, and by and large this indicates that the attention of nato, we say that donald trump is going to switch attention to the asian region, but it has already been switched by and large as you understand, if vladimir putin had not started a war with ukraine, ukraine

would definitely not be... among the priorities of nato, maybe we took ukraine into nato, but just like we took, relatively speaking, once poland or the czech republic, without any of the opinion that it is connected with a strategic danger. and here is the asia-pacific region, this is the number one issue for the north atlantic alliance, if they invite to their anniversary summit precisely those leaders, countries that are in direct, i would say, in such a collision with the people's republic of china, and for china it's also unpleasant. not a signal, especially since you know, the ministry of foreign affairs of japan, i think, these days in their annual white paper, they rated china as the main danger to japan, they also said absolutely clearly that it is china and its actions in the asia-tokyo region that threaten japan's national security, because these actions are very ambitious, they are very

tough, and the chinese are doing everything possible. to show that they are ready to increase all this, i would say, and do everything possible so that everyone can see the level of their ambitions, this is the asia-pacific region, and central asia, you and i did not mention the summit of the shanghai cooperation organization, but there tsinpin is also the main character, and all the leaders of the states of the central region are oriented towards him of asia, everyone is asking what happens as a result of such summits, after all, the shanghai cooperation organization is an absolutely meaningless organization, meaningless, of course, but, but recently information appeared about a large chinese military base in tajikistan, which, relatively speaking, a formal anti-terrorist base, which was agreed to be left to shonb, but we understand what an anti-terrorist base is, in any case, it is a contingent of chinese troops on the territory of tajikistan, where there

were previously russian troops. that's it of course, the shanghai cooperation organization cannot make any such proposals there, because these will be blocked by moscow, but it is a gateway for china to control central asia more and more up to the russian borders, because kazakhstan, tajikistan, uzbekistan and kyrgyzstan is interested in contacts with china, on the other hand , the asia-texas region, china conducts exercises not only with russia, it also conducts military exercises with vietnam, also a good signal for... the united states, which agreed with vietnam on a strategic partnership, and at the same time vietnam conducts training with the people's republic of china, well, there is a certain problem, right? by the way, let's return to the united states of america, the third.