influence this, of course, you should not worry about it, because we always get into a lot of stress when we start thinking about something that is beyond our control, remember the classic prayer attributed to many religious authorities, starting from blessed agustin, lord, give me the strength to change what i can, the patience to accept what i cannot, and the wisdom to distinguish the first from the second, here is this wisdom. it is necessary to understand what depends on me and what does not depend on me, who will be the american president, on you and i, mr. vasyly, are definitely not dependent on our viewers, er, but what will happen to us depends, that means that we can definitely do something here at home, all free energy, and who can, as to the importance given to the war, we must understand that until we win the war, nothing...

will be normal in the country, there will be no normal recovery, no return of those who left, no normal level of security, this means that those who can go to serve, must understand that sooner or later he will have to serve, this means that those who are not ready to volunteer today will volunteer one way or another, because obviously someone has to help, those who will donate a little today understand that it will be necessary to donate a lot, because without it we cannot stand, that is, whether or not.. .otherwise understand that the war is to make the war short, i will speak in paradoxes now, do you remember this paradox, you want peace, you are preparing for war, yes, it seems like a paradox, if you want peace, on the contrary, you have to destroy the army , dismiss all officers, sell weapons, as in the principle has been done in ukraine for many years, but it turns out that, on the contrary, if you want peace, prepare for war, the one who has a powerful army, a powerful military-industrial complex, he is secured, he is in... war, and here too, if

we we want the war to be short, we must prepare for a long war, who is ready for a long war, is so stable that the war will end, it is obvious that the war will end because of the events that will take place in russia, our task is to bring them closer in every possible way, and for that corresponds to each specific a person in ukraine, this is what... in the head of this particular person, that is, to throw out all russian myths, all russian information special operations, not to spread russian, russian propaganda, even if you really want to, each specific person is responsible for this, prepare for the fact that it will be long, and then it will paradoxically be short. well, yes, indeed this phrase "sat with the savior parable", it is true, you want to wait for the war, but as for what you say correctly, but... you are preparing for a long war, and

then it can be short, this film was, well, it is a ukrainian film, but the russians then still joined in its filming, in our country it was called nezlavna, and there they called it the defense of sevastopol, the sniper is known, and there was such a phrase very demonstrative in this movie, i don't consider this movie to be russian, i consider it ukrainian, although of course then it was a specific cooperation, but in any case there was a phrase there that life... is like that, war is this is also life, and you know, when always, when it seems that it's difficult, it's hot there, the temperature, tariffs, everything else, you understand very well how hot it is right now in a bulletproof vest somewhere in a trench in the zaporozhye steppes, and i have friends, acquaintances there, i understand very well that someone always has it worse somewhere, but but this is also life, there is life, there is life, well, there are people who have decided that for them this life of war does not exist, they cross the border in violation of the law. borders, unfortunately, people with money

and without money, well, this is again, this is a choice for which a person will be responsible, but we, remaining in ukraine, those who are outside ukraine, participates actively, financially, there, humanitarianly, in any way, in the struggle, they understand that this is life, well, you just need to understand that war is also such a life, and not every city comes with cabs, like, say, this there in kharkiv or pokrovsk, or what is happening now in turkey, which and so on, in cities that no longer exist. that's why, but we are all, we are all in this war, this is life, and if we accept and understand it, then surely, maybe, maybe it will be easier to overcome it, and about that, the audience is asking now, because it goes broadcast on youtube and they ask you, mr. valeriy, the question that biden's victory is important for us, they write amazing, that's how this contributor on youtube describes himself as amazing, i 'll sit here a little more comfortably, we already have such an evening conversation, you can sit down more comfortably. and

for us the victory of biden is important, he writes, and not the victory of the putler trump fan, these are not my words, again, because i respect both candidates, this is the choice of the american people, and what can interfere with the physical... health of biden to continue his participation in the elections, i'm up to that, well, i'll give the opportunity you to react to this question, it is addressed to you, and so that the audience understands that there is a connection between them and our guests, but you know this, it reminds me of the moment that was at the european championship, when the ukrainian national team, regardless of the result of the match slovakia romania , should have just beaten belgium, but if we just beat belgium on our own, it didn't matter, and everyone had their own benefit, someone played a draw, actually we were eliminated from... the euros, so in this situation, you know, you always have to rely on yourself , you need to score more goals, concede less and do what you can, well, if there is still some help and everything will still turn out in a way that is beneficial to you, well, thank god that it turned out, then let's talk about what we can do to win, and if it turns out

well, everything is still on the ground floor, well, thank god, where we have to rely on ourselves so much that we can win on our own, well, first of all, mr. vasyl, i would say that donald trump... exactly not a fan of putin. donald trump is a fan of only one people. donald trump is a fan of only one person, and that person's name donald trump. he is a fan of himself and he was waiting for everyone else. secondly, what should ukraine do? ukraine needs, ukraine must have strong bipartisan support. both republicans and democrats. not to bet on any one candidate, but to have strong bipartisan support from both parties. america's leading states, so that, regardless of who will lead america after the elections, support for ukraine remains at a high level. for that, it is necessary not only to work with the teams of potential presidents, for that it is necessary to work with both parties, in addition, it is necessary to work on the ground,

not only in washington, in addition, it is necessary to work in the districts where six senators and congressmen are elected, and of course ukrainian diplomacy will not be able to solve all such matters by itself. question, for that we need to connect all possible forces that influence america's attitude towards ukraine, this is parliamentary democracy, this is church democracy, you know that the united states of america is a very religious country, and our protestants are very much involved in negotiations and change american position, this artists, these are entrepreneurs and so on and so on, and i want to draw attention to the situation in great britain, bipartisan support means that the conservatives have now left the government houses, the labor party triumphantly won the elections, but definitely the support for ukraine has remained, if we continue to work with

each of the countries that are important to us, then obviously we will have support that will only grow, but again, what should each of us do? each of us, first of all, to stop, to swear about the west, as is very fashionable in our country lately, is that it is something doesn't do well, doesn't help enough, isn't decisive and so on and so forth, we did very little in previous years to make him feel that ukraine is his, ukraine must be protected above all else, we didn't look like real europeans, like real representatives of western civilization, and that's exactly it... we can do it, one way or another we will have to become european, it is written in our constitution, we are now actually opening the implementation of already talk about membership, and the implementation of the plan of preparation for membership, that is, we all have to become bigger europeans, we all need to become more

euro-atlantic, and here of course each individual can do it, our daily life creates a lot of opportunities to behave like... a european, or behave like, sorry, maybe someone will be offended, as a russian, as a post-soviet person, this is who we are, how we behave in our daily life, as post-soviet people or as future europeans, it depends on each person specifically, and finally, i want to say, mr. vasyl, and dear viewers, that in a maximum situation uncertainty, when you can, when you can usually waste hours gathering information about... what one of us will do, sit and draw a scenario, i'd rather leave it to you certain analysts, civilian and military, and each individual person should pay attention to what is around her and what is inside her, and pay attention to yourself, do something

for yourself, do something for the people who are close to you, do something for people who have a harder time than you, and there are many such people, these are fighters of the armed forces of ukraine , are internally displaced persons, these are... people whose relatives have died, and many, many other people who have, who have a harder time than you and i, do something for them, and when you do something... for another person, you yourself become easier, you yourself become easier, this is an old rule, very simple, and it always helps, it always helps, i would like another one, but we have literally three minutes there, even a little more, i i would like your assessment, well, in general, of the opportunities and resources of the ukrainian economy, but today we had the opportunity to communicate with a person who is a shareholder of the company. who pay taxes in ukraine, and i said that there are hundreds of thousands of testimonies that it is difficult, i will say yes,

difficult, somewhere the difficulty is determined by someone, somewhere it is simply difficult, mobilization, these are obvious things, are happening, but again, well , the economy is people, the economy is people, first of all, who pay taxes, and it is now in a difficult situation, your assessment of what should be done really, or so that we can? stand on the rails along which we would go and reach our victory, and that's it at all, again, your opinion, very briefly, but will the change of government, which is being discussed now, be able to influence it in any way, improve cooperation and the business climate in ukraine, let's start from the end, it's not important who the government officials are, not the last name people in the government, it is important in which offices decisions are made, if you gather the best government officials, but give them the opportunity to make... the necessary decisions, and the decisions themselves are made somewhere else with the participation of other people, then such

a government will not do anything good for ukraine , well, or if you leave some to the government secondary things, or, for example , hang some unpleasant things on the government, and take some pleasant things for yourself, eh, that is, the question is that the government should be really dependent only on the parliament that appointed it, that is, the question is to implement the constitution of ukraine in this way. as it is certainly written in black ink, that may help, and as for putting the country on the war rails, to a great extent the country is already on the war rails, if one thinks that somehow it will pass and these war rails and gochs will not affect it at all, one way or another, everyone, and the ukrainian military defense-industrial complex is developing quite rapidly, and its private part, and its... public sector and such is not private, not public, i would say, the volunteer

sector, a huge number of things are being done, in fact , horizontal networks of ukrainian citizens who feel the call to somehow help our winners, one way or another, we live in a bad business climate, it did not develop because of the war, it developed because it has always been like that, and war. is no excuse not to reforms, on the contrary, war requires more decisive reforms than those than peacetime, and i very much hope that the future changes of the government will be not only a change of names, not only a change of face, but a greater responsibility of the government for decision-making and a greater commitment of the government to the economic freedom, without economic freedom, without rapid development of the private sector of the economy. er, which today suffers not only from things that are understandable to everyone, such as er

, war, mobilization, unpredictability, power outages and so on, but also from the pressure of law enforcement officers, or people who are difficult to call law enforcement officers, because they do not protect and violate the law, and there are many such examples, then of course it does not contribute to our victories, i would say that people who make illegal decisions today. as for the pressure on business, they, well, you can say that they pluck the tree from which they feed themselves, or that they cut the hen that lays the golden eggs, well, but these are all proverbs that have long been familiar to everyone , mr. valery, we were delayed today by the way there, on the bribery of the chief tax official of kyiv, this is verbatim about individual rights, well, let’s see how to do it, we are very often detained, then... they let in the higher anti-corruption court, fine, but thank you very much, and our viewers thank

you very much for the answers and us for the fact that we invited you to the conversation, it was important, valery pekar, a teacher of the business school in lyan was in touch with us, and now we will also talk about european aid to ukraine, of course we will discuss the results of the nato summit in washington, because most of the countries included in nato, these are european countries after all, ivana klympushentsadze, head of the committee on issues. of ukraine's integration into the eu, the verkhovna rada of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine, mrs. ivanna, i congratulate you, good evening, i would still like to see you, you know where to start, not even with the nato summit and not with the eu and not with , aid, very important statements of our european partners regarding aid to ukraine, such decisive steps, petro poroshenko called, well, it was just after the russian attack on okhmadite, for the world to recognize putin as a criminal, that is a very strong phrase in fact, but i would like

to ask you, as a politician, as a deputy, and as a diplomat, to some extent, of course, how it should have been, the world should recognize putin as a criminal, it is the un that should recognize it, or how and in general, to what extent it is realistic, because in reality it is this, well it sounds right and sounds very strong and important at this time, but actually it seems to me that putin has already been recognized as a criminal, and the court in the hague, and i think that this is far from the first sentence for putin, including this court, another option is... after all, there is one a special tribunal and the creation of that special tribunal which could consider the crime of aggression, and which within the framework of this tribunal could consider precisely the highest leadership of the russian federation and recognize them as criminals, but besides that there are other tools, and this is the job, well, on which we

are trying to work further, so that the same united... states recognize the russian federation as a terrorist country, and which supports terrorism, which sponsors terrorism, and this means, accordingly, that the head of this country is also a terrorist, and therefore, it can be from the beginning of such a political framework, conditionally even a statement and resolution of the european parliament to specific actions that can be implemented by both countries individually, and such and such a joint action regarding the creation of judicial platforms in order to recognize him as a criminal. if we talk about the nato summit, you know, now you are watching, it is being discussed, i updated the tape in the evening, i think it is interesting what is being written,

discussed, who, as biden named and who can now claim the position of presidential candidate. because he often gets confused about something reuters assesses how zelensky has changed, how paranoid he is about possible attempts on him, well, such things are discussed, you know, as they say, the aftertaste, or such behind-the-scenes discussions, we are interested in such practical and factual things that ukraine has gotten its hands on , as they say, after this summit, and most importantly, what homework has she got before the next summit, maybe, or maybe by some time, well, i understand that the main time, by which we definitely ... have some certainty now, if talk about partnership with the usa, we will then talk about the european union, and this is the election of the president of the usa, it is clear that by this time we have a certain certainty, that is what ukraine should do during this time and what tools it has actually received, or will receive in the near future to do it? well, of course, we are considering the nato summit with you, exclusively through

the prism of ukraine and because of our interests, but we must not forget that... at the same time during this meeting, this meeting, the alliance still tried to solve a large number of tasks for himself, which actually stem from the war that ukraine is forced to wage today against the aggressor russia, but it is this war, it has a direct impact on how nato today treats the need to increase its defense capabilities, increase... compatibility standards regarding one or another type of weapon, which today different countries provide us in ukraine, and we saw that in fact on the battlefield these are far from always compatible weapons, the same 155- caliber projectiles, they supposedly correspond to one standard, but at the same time cannot always

be used effectively for different installations, for use by different... installations, that is why the alliance has defined many things for itself as internal tasks, and these tasks are also important for us, because it is important for us that the alliance continues to strengthen and was indeed a capable military-political organization, and as for ukraine, we really received assurances that for next year there is a basic, there is an obligation to provide ukraine with basic funding for its military. needs in the amount of 40 billion euros, which is important but unfortunately, we also have to admit that this is not the same ambition that the same one set before himself. who counted on the fact that he would be able to agree between the countries on such

hundred billion financing every year and not only for one year 2025, but also for future years. and at the same time, we heard the commitments of individual countries to provide us with additional air defense systems, which are also critically important for us, separate statements about... providing additional new packages of military assistance, all this within the framework of the alliance, well, that's not enough to make such a big summary of this summit, but at the same time we really got a new wording, which, in my opinion, still takes us one step further, in terms of our approach to the north atlantic alliance, when... it's about what they say we will be supported on the path, on the irreversible path to our membership in the alliance, it is good that another such

convincing formula has been found, i really hope that this irreversibility, it will also sit in putin's head, and he will perceive it as irreversibility , and not as an invitation to continue driving wedges, wedges into such different opinions. various member countries of the alliance regarding our future membership, and then we have a decision that the invitation of ukraine will take place exactly when all countries reach a consensus and the relevant conditions are met, and this is about the conditions you are asking about, in fact i would i wanted more clarity, more, well, formulation of these conditions, but... well, we can understand that this applies to the same adapted annual national the program that ukraine has to carry out, and this does not only concern the security and defense sector,

but it concerns a much broader program of reforms that intersects with the tasks of the same political cluster, so the foundations that concern our membership in the european union, it concerns the same essentially political... in the copenhagen criteria, which we all know, it's about the rule of law, it's about the balance of power, it's about democracy, it's about freedoms, it's about basic things that should be characteristic of any country , which claims membership in the alliance for not only military security interoperability, but also political interoperability with those who today make up this club of the civilized world, you know, europe too... now it's like a cauldron, well , it's impossible there, it's not boiling, but it's bubbling nicely, a history that continues in france, from

the coalition elections, which, well, actually, in principle, i like what i read, i am not a deep specialist in this, but i understand that there is still more positive, i expected that there could be and worse, the prime minister of estonia, kakaia, may resign in the coming days kalasa, moreover, that estonia is one of the key partners of ukraine, it is actually very important. she provides help, especially this country is very powerful in the it sphere, we understand this very well, and the very cool statement of frederikson, the prime minister of the kingdom of denmark, who said that we give all air defense to ukraine, they definitely know better what to do with it, as before, they gave all the artillery, a possible attempt, which there was, which was prevented, a possible attempt on the head of ryne metal from the side of russia, well, that is, the fact that europe took the right position with regard to ukraine, that's with'. and russia is trying not to get in somewhere, at least somehow to make a crack somewhere, this crack, in your opinion and again from

your understanding of this situation, how should ukraine act in europe right now in order to question its european integration processes, which is really important , because it is both a financial and a military component, and we must get maximum support now, no matter who forms a coalition, no matter what happens there, so that we understand that europe is... our partner, how should we act now in ukraine, which here we now have chances and threats, well, because without threats, it's not the same it doesn't happen, there are people in our country who like to shake hands with putin in europe, well, you know, it seems to me that in order to increase this help from europe, because europe is really sobered up and aware of threats and risks, carried by the russian... federation, its aggression against ukraine for europe itself, it exists, but it is fundamental for us to preserve europe's trust not only in ukrainian society, but in

ukrainian. the state of the ukrainian government, but this trust, it is actually formed not only through slogans and demands, but is formed thanks to therefore, how does ukraine behave internally and to what extent can it be counted on and trusted in terms of transparency, in terms of democracy, in terms of all those slogans that the ukrainian leadership is talking about today, but which are actively... destroying the country , this does not go unnoticed among our partners, and it is obvious that more and more additional requirements and conditions will be imposed on us, which will relate to the financial assistance of europe, and the same united states, for example, and whether canada is there, if it it will not be about military aid, but about financial aid, which

is also critical for us. possible, and i would also like to see a certain sobering up in the heads of the ukrainian authorities, an awareness of responsibility, that no continuation and increase of this military, financial, excuse me, aid is impossible if there is no trust, and it will also be difficult for us, or it is impossible to talk to our partners about real investments in recovery. if we don't keep this trust, and trust is preserved precisely at the expense of honesty, as well as dialogue within ukraine and with our partners. you know, the situation is really difficult, we will not talk about the economy now, although it is very important, well , again, you can reflect, as our guest, you have an absolute right, i will just voice these headlines, we

talked about it today already to... it is not news that the official exchange rate of the dollar has exceeded 41 hryvnias for the first time in history, and even more so that the issue of restructuring ukraine's debt must be resolved by the end of august, the ukrainian the debt can already reach the level of the annual gdp, we were in the third place among the debtors of the imf, now we have already taken the honorable second place among the debtors, i am not being ironic here, i understand that the country is at war, on the other hand, i clearly understand , that in this country certain people have some fortune that they can. to explain, i also understand everything, that’s the way it is, here, as they say, you can’t influence something very quickly, and just getting on your nerves and getting angry on the air doesn’t make any sense either, and here too there is an important political component, as politicians now that you in the verkhovna rada of ukraine you have, well, in the future, you may have the opportunity to influence the formation of the government, i am very interested to understand whether there are currently conversations in

the deputies' corps, in particular in your faction? maybe with colleagues from other factions, about what changes are expected in the perspective for the fall, perhaps because these threatening moments in the economy are understandable, mobilization, war, falling production, something else, something else, something else , electricity is more expensive, all this is understandable, regarding the change of government and perhaps the activation of those people in the government who well, they will know what to do and they will do it clearly, often and very importantly, without looking back at advisers from... other streets in the government quarter, mr. vasyl, i would like to see this subjective conversation between different political parties in the ukrainian parliament forces regarding how best to ensure the efficiency of the ukrainian government, if we are talking about its possible change, or the possible change of individual ministers, but we do not see any

subjects at all. of the faction itself, the so-called monomajority, so-called, due to the fact that this the faction already, well, during probably the last 2.5 years, has never once given 226 votes for any decision, which means that the faction, well, which is called a monomajority, is not such, and secondly, this faction is not ready to discuss at all, well, some other approaches and the involvement of professional knowledge, but... professionalism, approaches, analysis of other political forces, which are present in the parliament today, and possibly extra-parliamentary political forces, unfortunately, there is no such thing, and this is the realization that it has to be a joint action so that we all succeed, her too there is none, therefore there is no question of a government of national unity, and if you are not consulted about it, then...