that everyone will still have to register for military service, pass a military medical commission, renew, and provide the state with a residence permit. 60 days were allotted for updating the data, ukrainians who have not done so by july 17 may receive a fine from uah 17,000 to uah 25,500. in order not to be fined, i see several formats, the first is to send a letter to the tsc. a statement in which to inform about your new data, there address of residence, e-mail address, that is, the main thing in the violation itself is not that the person did not update the data, but about the fact that she did not provide such data to the territorial collection center, plus trying to register in the electronic queue, in order to later show that i was in the electronic queue, if the debtor does not pay the fine, his information and data will be transferred to the enforcement service. it will be entered into the unified

register of debtors, and this involves seizure of property and blocking of bank cards. and i first of all advise everyone to renew the action, you don’t need to delete it, i don’t know, er, many bloggers talk about the fact that the action should be deleted, because of this they track where you are are there, fines from the tsc will come to you there, on the contrary, from the action for me, as a lawyer i understood there, which resolution on enforcement proceedings against a person has been opened there, i can... see it, contact the executor there, pay, for example the fine, if it is lawful, or, on the contrary, appeal it, if it is unlawful. since the beginning of this year, 12,000 ukrainians have received fines for violation of military registration, so in order to avoid penalties, it is worth clarifying personal data and registering for military registration. natalya stare pravo, kateryna galko, roman kovalyuk, oleksandr burlevich, espresso tv channel.

congratulations, friends, the politclub program is on the air on the espresso tv channel. during the next two hours of conversation about the most important trends of this week, about problems and prospects, and our first interlocutor, yurii egnat, colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, former spokesman of the air force of the ukrainian armed forces. congratulations, mr. yuri. congratulations, mr. vitaly. so, let's start with the air defense situation. during the last nato summit in washington. many people talked about it. however, how realistic is it to really close the sky above ukraine and what is needed for this, what is the number of the air defense system and how realistic is it? well, there is nothing unreal. you know that ukraine requested these systems from the very beginning of the full-scale invasion. at first, we were provided with small, actually portable missile complexes. like

the stinger, in order to strengthen our anti-aircraft defense, they gave us something from the soviet weapons that we have on staff at that time, well, then the heavy complexes went, this and the s-300 from slovakia, then the first patriot arrived, as you know, which shot down in the first world history shot down that the very dagger and so on, that is why the countermeasures defense system will come to ukraine, this event gave a clear signal to this, it is talked about every day in... the national media and in the west, a patriot is not the only one, a patriot is not a panacea that can save , and so to say exactly how many of these systems we need, and we will close the issue, it is impossible, the air defense system is a complex issue, it includes a lot of aspects and components, there must be an echeloned air defense system, from small air defense systems, starting with mobile fire groups that were actually created ukraine, as a know-how and ending with air. with fighters,

interceptors, all of this will actually work in the unified air defense system, which is managed by the air force today, which is managed by the commander of the air force, who, as some people's deputies tell pposhnyk, is very disturbing to some people there, , who consider themselves experts in the field of aviation or pilots, so in fact that the pilot stands at the helm of the air force today, well, excuse me, today our planes er... perform the function strike more on ground targets, namely the function of air defense, today is provided by the base, these are the anti-aircraft missile forces of the air forces, and mykola lychuk, the commander of the air forces, actually comes from those forces, which provided air cover against aggression, from the russian aviation, this should be remembered by everyone who makes such accusations towards the commander in general towards the air force, who and how should lead, how should ensure the same result. result, so

we need air defense, we need them quite a lot, we are moving away from the soviet systems, so the beeches there are crossed with western missiles, the frankensan project, you know, is well known. everything possible is being done to increase the number, you see that missiles and drones are flying constantly, and they are flying deep into the territory of ukraine, so in our case we need more systems of various types, as a result, in the end, we will switch to the main types of systems for the air force, these are nasams (rst), patriot, and samti , an italian-french complex, which can also be supplied to ukraine in sufficient quantities. and tell me, can you say that the russians know, or is this some kind of new tactic? in the air defense system, how realistic is it, the experts say that they have changed tactics, it is very very scary when the experts come into play, well, i am honest, they ask thousands of questions a day, and when asked today by the western media, i

continue to call, no matter what and consult, i say where did you get it from, but our western analysts said, where did they get it from, and western analysts got it from the telegram channel of maryana bezugla. well very very i'm afraid, actually, for such analytical thoughts, which are heard from everywhere, i apologize for the question, you said in favor of new tactics, so i'll move on to what exactly happens with the new tactics, you know that the trigger for it was the myrhorod airfield , when the enemy roland 10 drone flew over, the reconnaissance flew over the territory of the airfield, gave corrections. enemy troops, iskandar m flew in, destroyed one plane, unfortunately, the rest were actually planes of a different category, which actually performed the role, the role of mock-ups, and that was all such a boom in social networks and in the media that nobody actually does anything and the air

force is already in the third year of the war, and you cannot shoot down a drone, this is the change in tactics that you asked me about now, of course the enemy uses new tactical techniques, namely turning off the gps signal, when... the eagle can fly unimpeded by our rap systems, which are working now in many different directions, and thus it turns on directly above the airfield and can only shoot it down physically, physically by route to follow from with gps enabled, that is, it needs to be implemented and has been for several weeks, serious work is underway to equip our mobile fire groups and fpv with strike drones, meaning anti-aircraft drones and other weapons that could help better protect our lithuania. the enemy recently uses this tactic, another tactic, the use of missiles, you know that because of the aid that was delayed in the united states of america military aid, the enemy used this time to accumulate their own missile systems, this is the iskander, i mean ballistic missiles and cruise

missiles, during this time the enemy not only accumulated them, but also improved them, equipped them with additional protection, these are the same thermal radar traps, they were before... here they may have improved them, so actually the task of striking kiev on the eighth day, the enemy used exactly such missiles and used a tactic that is not, after all, new, it is a tactic to target strikes with various types of missile weapons from various directions at extremely low altitudes for missiles, this is for cruise missiles, primarily caliber x101, g-55, also used as you know, kh-59, zircon, dagger, and iskander m, ballistic, but actually at the same time from different directions, it is clear that all of this was hit at the same time, it was actually impossible to shoot down, but you know the result, 30 out of 38, in total across ukraine missiles at the time of the strike was announced by the command of the air force according to

preliminary data, it became clear later, it is known, obviously, from the video materials that came in, that there could be more missiles, there were more of them, the missiles fly differently, they can fly in a group, if it is a group of rockets flying alone near one, let's say two, three, four on the radars, it is visible as one target, you may have seen a video of two x101 missiles flying over the caspian sea, fishermen are fishing there and russian fishermen are delighted, they are talking about the missiles flying, actually, if the missiles fly in such close proximity to each other, they will be late, they will be marked as one target by our radar systems, that's why there could be more missiles, but you know, when you start it... then there was one number, then another, it turns out maryana bezuglaya's account, she says and they write, they write cynically oleschuk, breshe, well , i took a screenshot of this on my facebook , put a special arrow and marked it, and a photo was taken from the ohmadit hospital with

a bloodied child, signed aleschuk breshin at the bottom, but what is this but discrediting, well, pure water, dirt is simply spilled on... er, the commander of the air force and so on, therefore such shameful cases should have no place at all, here, dear ladies, the deputy or those who are behind it must be given legal rights. assessment, legal assessment by law enforcement officers, regarding such and such actions, which she allows herself in the public space, there are the duties of a people's deputy, there are the duties of a member of the security and defense committee, where it is clearly stated that, where and how one can speak and what control can be carried out, not publicly, there are a lot of mechanisms where one can to talk about these things and do real work, and not to throw mud at the army, and one more thing, i will add that today we have 3000... kilometers of border with enemy states, and 900 km are approximately active, where

active combat operations, air forces, here is a completely different issue, we have no front anywhere ends, we have a front everywhere, everyone is everywhere in lviv, and in kyiv and so on, here we need to ensure the protection of the airspace, and these are actually the actions that both experts and deputies allow themselves, they absolutely do not inspire the army. to the point that they just do their work, and we will continue to do it in the future, regardless of anything, but tell me, please, mr. yuri, do you understand the meaning of these new political discussions around representatives of the military command , it already happened once before the resignation of general zulzhno, mr. vitali, i better than anyone, i understand what the real reason is, but today i wear shoulder straps and i can’t now, you have a political club, and you are discussing who benefits from it, why, please tell me, here is what you said, this means, in principle, that this missile that

hit ahmadit was very difficult to shoot down in the situation in which we found ourselves, well , most of the missiles were shot down, of course, well, according to ahmadit, the experts should decide what exactly they were shooting, or whether they did it on purpose , well, there were already statements , respectively, that it was a targeted attack, a terrorist act, to shoot down any missile difficult, by world standards. we, even with 50% successful air defense work, it can already be considered successful, if the enemy strikes, i will not list again with such types of a large number of air attack means, and we have a limited amount of air defense, well, to shoot down everything, well, in fact, in fact, it is unrealistic, that's why we expect it, and that's why you see every day from the mouths of the state leadership, the president and everyone who communicates with society with the west. every day the word air defense is heard, more air defense systems, this is our defense against the enemy now, and an opportunity

to cover the airspace in the future in the occupied territories, as the commander said, victory on the ground is forged in the sky, it is necessary to understand that we must gain an advantage, air parity in the occupied territories, and only then will this ensure success in conducting ground operations. well, i understand that the appearance of the f-16 should provide this task, to what extent? it's real, f-16 planes are western planes, and today media people are also western, they asked, what are we there, what, what can we achieve, will you be a game changer, such a fashionable word today, to say, you see, i want to draw everyone's attention to the interview i gave a few weeks ago, we published it on the official pages, brigadier general serhii golubtsov, on radio liberty, there are all the answers to questions about. especially it will be such a basic one, i would like a better modification, so i will add it, i am just

announcing it, so who has not seen this interview yet, of course it will be better than what we have today, because it is a multi-purpose aircraft that will allow us in that or in other modifications , it is much more accurate to work at longer distances, well, and most importantly, if we join the club of countries that already have patriots in their arms, if we join the club of countries that have f-16 aircraft in their arms, first of all, it means that the west simply does not give them to us, they're going to be with us and that's why it's such a step towards the f-16 - it's an extremely powerful step that, well, first of all, as a communicator, i've been working on since the very first days of the campaign to get them from the united states america's permission of peroz for them, and not inflated these expectations for these planes, where can it be? exaggeration, and i will repeat myself again, general hlubtsov said everything in

an interview, of course we will receive not the most impressive modifications, of course, they will even be inferior to russian aircraft, which have been making serious modernizations for their su-type aircraft for a long time, but you have to start somewhere , these will be the first modifications, then there are certain moments of modernization, in europe there are enterprises that are modernizing, v16 to better. blocks, well the best block is the 70-72 block, the newest in the united states of america, and me think that we will go step by step to meet our expectations. were not in vain , thank you, mr. yuriy, yuriy ignat, colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, former spokesman of the air force of the ukrainian armed forces, we were in touch, we will now talk with you about the results of the washington nato summit, because it is really a very important event, and firstly, this is the jubilee charter, the nato summit, and by and large they did not just sum up, but also

tried to understand where the main danger is, where the main problem is, and secondly, of course, ukraine. was one of the main topics of this summit, and so we could see how nato sets priorities in its confrontation, on the one hand , the president of ukraine was a guest of this summit, on the other hand, the leaders of australia, new zealand, south korea, japan, that is, the asia-pacific region, were invited. now almost all leading western politicians, even people who are in difficult, i would say, political relations with each other, those who are competitors, let's say, joseph biden and donald trump, they admit. that the asia-pacific region became the main one the center of the world confrontation, that is, russia's war against ukraine, by and large it is a peripheral conflict for the united states, for other countries of the west, but what is happening in the pacific ocean is really serious, and that is why, by the way, many would like to put an end to the russian-ukrainian war as soon as possible, and

donald trump spoke about this, by the way, to focus on this main danger, and of course we should... talk about it all out loud, because nato is not just a defense alliance for europe , is a union, which includes both the countries of north america and the united states of their point of view, you can say, look at the pacific ocean and conclude their own military alliances with countries such as australia, such as new zealand, try to find their partners among other countries of the pacific basin, and so which on this background means. there is ukraine, as far as ukraine can be in the center of attention in principle. we will talk about it with hanna shelest, director of the foreign policy council's security studies programs, she will join us soon. anna was alone at the summit in washington, there was such a civil delegation from ukraine, where there were politicians, where there were experts, where there were people who have been engaged in

the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine for a long time. and this is also such an important moment, because... nato is also an opportunity for communication between representatives of civil societies who want security for their countries, because of course the main meaning of the north atlantic alliance is precisely security, it is precisely the need to prevent war on the territory the european continent, on the territory of north america, on the territory of the asia-pacific region, that is, these are big and very broad ambitions, we should also be aware of this. because when we talk about the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine, of course in this situation we always return to our own problems, and we forget that nato is not only a right to security, but it is a duty, a duty, in particular to help the reconstruction such real security in the asia-pacific region, we do not know to what level

the conflicts will reach here, we do not know how the relations between by the united states and the people 's republic of china, this is really such a serious problem, one way or another, we see that this declaration of the nato summit for the first time in the history of the alliance contains quite serious points related to the definition of the chinese danger, and china was accused for the first time of what exactly this country contributes to the development of the military-technical complex of the russian federation with its help. industrial complex of the russian federation, so let's not forget that if ukraine becomes a member of nato, it will not only protect russia, but we also have making joint decisions regarding the protection of the interests of nato countries in the asian-tehaican region is also a very important point that

needs to be said here, and i think that we all perfectly understand that this is the situation. is a challenge for ukraine in the future, because we do not yet know the intensity of this conflict, by the way, it will largely depend on the intensity of the conflict between russia and ukraine, on when in the 20s, in the 30s will this war end, how will it end, or will it succeed will the russian federation impose its vision, its role on the world, or on the contrary will have to abandon these positions. we will ask ms. hanna, and first of all, about the fact that we saw each other. this jubilee summit, congratulations, good evening, so the nato summit, here are your main conclusions, mrs. hannia. well, i think the conclusions should be divided into two. parts: conclusions for the alliance itself and conclusions for ukraine. for ukraine, it is somewhat easier to draw conclusions, because it became better than what we

expected in a certain way, but of course, much worse than we would like, because before on the last day, although the declaration was prepared very carefully and in advance, but until the last day there was a debate about several phrases, which for us, well, maybe someone considers them just linguistic. equilibrium, but in fact they are very important, this irreversible path to nato, it is extremely important for ukraine, why, because in the last few months in the same washington very often sounded: and maybe, after all, it would be best for ukraine, if membership in nato is left as such a certain card in future negotiations with by the russian federation. well, we understand very well that this would affect the movement of the russian federation. what did succeed, and those... those who believed in the future membership of ukraine in nato, to leave this phrase and strengthen it not just with euro-atlantic integration, but specifically with the phrase about ukraine's membership in the alliance, i think that for the future we

we will still feel the positive consequences of this work. if we talk about the alliance itself, then in principle everyone in washington after it ended, who had to talk, i was there during the alliance, everyone called him alliance... under the auspices of the election, because it was clear that all the allies are primarily concerned about what will happen to the alliance if biden does not win, whether biden is capable of winning and in general, what might happen to american politics, how it will affect the future of transatlantic security. and tell me what was said so harshly about china at this summit, can it also be called a historical event? i would say, yes, this is a very big step forward, and let's go. let's be honest, but a few years ago, when madrid was accepted, it was not easy a declaration, but a strategic concept, a document that the alliance adopts once every 10 years, there for the first time china sounded like some kind of,

well, not yet a threat, but already with problematic connotations, but until today, before this summit, we have a russian threat and a chinese one the threat was divided, last year 's vilnius declaration, they understand that china... it's a hybrid threat there taiwan for the indo-pacific region, but there was never a link, this declaration and the statements we heard during the summit, very clearly do not just emphasize the role destructive beijing, that's it it would just be logical there, probably within the framework of some statements, and she tied china to the russian federation, to its aggression against ukraine, and emphasized that without china there could not be certain successes for moscow either. and this, as we later saw in statements from official beijing, angered china the most. in principle, you talked about that, about this

declaration of the summit, by and large, does it mean for ukraine that we have some kind of promising hopelessness? well, after all, the mood there was such that everyone wants to believe in the best, and i would say in a certain... way, that on the one hand there was great disappointment and especially at the expert level, at the level of former military personnel, and we had to hear what they said, well, how did we fail, and everyone called it very clearly for the first time, although if everyone and before that they knew who was to blame, that this was the decision of washington and berlin, but vilnius was still asked not to name their officials, they already said absolutely clearly that this was the decision of the white house and the current office in berlin, that. .. that they fear escalation, and that's why they were not ready to put a phrase about membership, but on the other hand, the mood was already very seriously different from vilnius, when talking with

representatives of any other countries, even the french, whom before that you wrote in the germans and americans in the camp of skeptics, yes, then even the french said that no, if the alliance wants to ensure the security of ukraine, if we want to stop this... war, we must finally give ukraine a very clear perspective, any additional structures, this is important, this is a step forward, but delaying , it's like dragging the provision of certain types of weapons to ukraine, although, let's be frank, at the strategic level, from expert to diplomatic, there are still discussions, especially in washington, about the fact that if we give ukraine this perspective now, it will help ukraine in security, that is, it will be... so certain even non-protective, no one is talking about the fifth article, yes, about collective protection, but about deterrence, whether it will be a deterrence effect for the russian federation, or it

will actually be equivalent to application. nuclear weapons, i.e., after which russian the federation will say, and what do i have to lose and will be able to, want to provoke a specific nato member country. therefore, this fear, it cannot be called irrational, because the actions of the russian federation are constantly irrational, but this fear, it is very seriously followed in many discussions in high offices in washington. well, what position do you think will win in the end? is it? it is necessary to wait for the presidential elections, well, the presidential elections are 100% worth waiting for, and it was also like this, you know, to the slano-corrupt court bench, that is, it it was visible to everyone, it was impossible to hide it, and that everyone had expectations, including the american delegations, and we were in washington a month ago, met with many not only experts, and everyone kept saying that we would like to plan something after november,

but this is the first... to ukraine, namely because if trump wins, we simply don't understand what his policy towards ukraine will be. if we talk about how nato now generally treats the russian threat, it can be said that it is still on the second plan compared to china, did you notice that? no, you know, it was very distinct. but last year, and it was noticeable very strongly in madrid, it was still felt in vilnius, especially for the europeans, no, for the europeans , after all, russia was already in the first place, and for the americans, sullivan made it very clear, he constantly emphasized, he said , that china is a greater threat than the russian federation, china has more potential, capabilities, in the event of a direct conflict, china is more ready for provocation, and russia...

this is more of a regional problem, but it concerns our allies, but this year there is still a clear understanding that the russian federation has become a common problem for the entire alliance, not only the baltic countries or ukraine, and the actions of the russian federation, its readiness to escalate, to use any force and to use more and more and more provocations directly towards the nato member countries, and of course it is on... a lot, well, how to say it, sounded louder, more specific, or, for example, began to constantly talk not only about the standard actions of the russian federation, there in the information sphere or in the cyber sphere, and the bribery of politicians in european countries, for example, spoke very frankly and accused the russian federation of terrorist activities, of those murders that they are now against various

politicians. or those engaged in the production of weapons, or those explosions that took place in germany, in the czech republic, in several other countries, at factories involved in the production of weapons, these were all openly called terrorist acts, attributed to the russian federation, and it was said that which , unfortunately, the russian federation is expanding the nomenclature of those actions that it is ready to use against european countries. i understand that nato was not mentioned at this particular summit. about georgia, it is no longer a real candidate for the alliance from the point of view of nato members? you know, this is really the first declaration in which georgia is mentioned only once, together with moldova in the phrase that the russian federation is obliged to withdraw troops from the territory, from the occupied territories of georgia and moldova. firstly, there is no separate paragraph on georgia, on its euro-atlantic integration, and here it cannot be said that

closed door, it's fast. is more related to the actions of the georgian authorities, and this is included in the list of actions that took place in the last month, we had very clear and sharp statements from the european union, we had the suspension of aid from a number of european countries and from the european union, we there was the cancellation of the annual military exercises between the usa and georgia, and the summit became another such demonstrative step, roughly speaking, the georgian government, we warn you, and this despite the fact that the representative of... georgia was at the summit that at the last moment it was unclear whether they would arrive or not, but even no statements were made. moldova, which is neutral, sounded much brighter during this summit than georgia. thank you, thank you, ms. hanna. hanna shelest, director of security studies programs of the foreign policy council of ukrainian prism, editor-in-chief of ukrainalytik was with us.