bend the forces that are in maloney's group to join orbán's group, and then orbán's group will be, well, not just powerful, it will occupy one of the leading places, well, not only, not only look, look, orban wanted the polish law and justice party led by yaroslavomych to join this group, they refused precisely because they do not want to support it. uhu, but he wanted the party of robert fitso, the prime minister of slovakia to join there, they didn't want to either, because they, if not a strange left-wing party, they are essentially the same, well, we laugh, but they are ideologically a left -wing party, they are social democrats, well, just like that, but today they are social democrats, tomorrow they are right-wing, tomorrow they are right-wing, you never know from these people, what to expect, so in this regard there is an absolutely obvious situation when... we understand what

is happening with how all these forces are formed, and here i was, we talked with you about orbán, about his tour, here is this tour - it is a part of this history that he shows those who unite there that it is possible to be in nato, it is possible to be in the european union, you can be friends with donald trump, at the same time with xi jinping and at the same time. to meet and go to kyiv, no one, you know, will stop orbán, whose time has come, here he is, who shows, this is basically the model that they all would like to implement, so that they can focus on trump, so that they can to take money from china so that they don't get anything for it, so that they can somehow understand moscow's worries and that they don't get anything for it, this

is such... vladimir putin, so they say, they wanted to come to kyiv and show that they support the courageous ukrainian people, you can see how their positions have all changed, marine le pen went there to see orban, and she says that she supports ukraine almost like george melanie, only with this difference that george melanie does not go to moscow, and has never been there, unlike again ... marine le pen and matteo salvini, who also joined orban's group, the leader of the league party, which is the most important partner in the italian government coalition. think about it, that in fact the person who is the vice-prime minister in george melanie's coalition in italy, together with viktor orbán, is creating an alternative group, the purpose of which is to reduce the influence of meloni herself, well, this is actually a challenge to georgia melania and a challenge the italian field'.

orban and trump, what can be learned from this, trump, orba... very much expects trump to become president, it is clear, he says it directly, he dreams about it, in fact, it is clear that this will also be his political gain, what topics could be discussed there, well, me i think that everything can be discussed there, the only thing is that i don't really understand how orban speaks to trump, and you like the chinese proposal, that is , how much he managed to hide from trump the fact that he travels with a chinese. position on

the world, but he could generally discuss with trump how to end the russian-ukrainian war, he could share with trump his observations about the negotiations with putin and zelensky, it could be, by and large, he could talk with him about this faction because this faction is also the trumpist faction, these are the people who will support trump, not only them, because there will be more willing, but they may want to be the main supporters of trump in... in europe, this is also an absolutely obvious point that needs to be said , so in this situation, of course, it can be considered that orbán is not playing his part, well, in principle, he did not hide it, he spoke at the beginning of this tour, you understand that i cannot be a mediator, and by the way, volodymyr zelenskyi is talking about everything he says viktor orban, he cannot be a mediator because he does not have such a country. influential to

be a mediator between russia and ukraine in such a war, but he also says exactly: i can't be a mediator, i don't have economic resources, i don't have that, i don't have that, i don't have anything, well... i don't have no, but he has the potential to travel and interview those who have the potential, and indeed he has an advantage here to a certain extent, because who else can afford such a thing, well, who can go to kyiv, moscow, beijing at the same time , washington and to visit maralago, no one, but on the other hand, the content of this, he went for a drive, what’s more, putin did not even begin to hide how he feels about all this... when he organized this attack on the hospital in in kyiv, and by the way, we should remember that he also organized it the day he was in moscow at rendra-fashion, and the prime minister of india, and by the way, that's what i wanted to ask about, the visit modi to putin,

in fact, it is clear that putin also chose a double bottom here, as they say, on the one hand, putin chose before the nato summit. this one date, on the other hand, putin actually chose this date for this attack when the newly elected prime minister of india, the head of the country with the largest population in the world, actually came to him, and putin actually wanted to legitimize himself, especially in this day is in the eyes of the world, and to some extent he succeeded. well, at the same time, show mody what you see, i can do whatever i want, and you won't get anywhere, but mody, how do you assess his arrival in russia, what was the purpose of this visit, and what is the position now

of the prime minister of india regarding the russian-ukrainian war, we saw that here modi was trying, as they say, between the drops. to sit on two chairs and , by the way, he was in russia for two days, two days is a rather significant visit, well, look, beyond any doubt, fashion does not like this war, huh, and, by the way, he never hid it, he was the first politician who said this out loud to putin in samarkand in 2022 at the summit of the shanghai cooperation organization, and by the way, already after a visit to moscow, when he was in vienna, he met with austrian federal chancellor karlomnihamero, he also said this in moscow. he talked about the suffering of innocent children, he says all this, on the other hand, he has, if you like, his national interest, the national interest is connected with the fact that he is, one way or another, a person who is forced to think about the chinese- russian partnership,

this is a much bigger challenge for him than it seems. china is a real geopolitical competitor of india, the relationship between them is intensifying, between these countries, they were not very easy anyway. relationship relationship are escalating between the leaders to such an extent that in recent years, i would say, xi jinping boycotts all high-level meetings chaired by modi, and modi boycotts all high-level meetings chaired by xijimpi. in 2022 , modi is expected to attend the shanghai cooperation organization summit. then, when there was a meeting at the level of twenty, modi did not come there, shizen pin, i'm sorry, there was a meeting in delhi, remember? so, when... there was now a summit of the sos, modi did not appear there either, but he appeared, let's say, at the summit of the group of seven, where there was no sidjinpined not inviting him, and they have this real competition, and modi has a fear that china is a serious threat to india, and that is why

, by and large, modi is now trying to revise the very system of relations between the united states and india, for the first time in the history of these countries, it was just right. biden's presidency signed a strategic partnership agreement, and you and i understand that this is a very important agreement for the simple reason that one way or another this agreement involves deepening the relationship between washington and new delhi, and it the challenge of china, and by the way, this is not the only agreement, as you know, india has already entered into a number of military alliances by the united states in the asia -pacific region, but ... at the same time, there is the problem of china and russia, that is, when nodi hears that putin insists on a strategic partnership between china and russia, this is a challenge for him, and he may think that this strategic

partnership is simply against india's national interests, relatively speaking, he cannot afford the luxury of leaving putin in the arms of xi jinping, which putin did not do. and putin knows about it, so he can allow it anything to yourself. another important point, domestic political: these parliamentary elections in india, they did not end as modi expected, and for the first time in the history of modi's political career and national and federal, let's say, his party, there is no party in the haratiya janata of the majority in the lop, loksaphe in the lower house of the indian parliament, cannot form the formula to form the government by itself, is forced to form the government with the parties that are part of the bloc with this party, as if it were nothing. especially not, but this is a political humiliation, because in in principle, this is the loss of parliamentary seats, this is

the need to part with the idea related to the fact that it will be possible to change the constitution, strengthen the powers of the government, all this will not happen, but there is one more point, this is the strengthening of the opposition, the strengthening of the india bloc, which was created the day before these parliamentary elections, and the central party in this block is... the indian national congress, which is headed by rahul gandhi, the great-grandson of jewaharero, the grandson of indira gandhi, the son of rajiv gandhi, all these are the prime minister of india, and it is during these prime ministers, dzhevahar, indira gandhi, first of all, of course, the construction of special relations between new delhi and moscow was built, you know, as in the anecdote of dear indira gandhi, leonid brezhnev said, and it was a meme of soviet times. and this is not just a model of cooperation, it is also a model of military cooperation, it is also a model of

serious political opportunities of the soviet union in the region. indira gandhi's predecessor as prime minister of india, lal bahadur shastri, died in tashkent. what is he? did you do there? he met there with the then president of pakistan, ayubkhan, about the end of the war with pakistan, and the mediator in these negotiations was the chairman of the council of ministers of the soviet union, oleksiy. from moscow, moscow can start playing a new game with the opposition in india, as now, by the way, it has already started playing a game with a position in turkey, it did not see it, one might say, point-blank, especially before the last presidential election, but now that it has become clear that recep tayyip, erdogan is not going to give up the, shall we say, special relations with the united states, in the future his party may lose the presidential and parliamentary elections, moscow

is already beginning to take certain steps in relation to the opposition in turkey, to the people's republican party, but the turkish opposition is traditionally more liberal and more favorable to the european union and the united states states of america, it is true, but this does not mean that the people's republican party, and this turkish party does not remember that it can also build special relations with moscow, they were these... well, that is, to leave by erdogan's path, we can go differently, we can even go on a similar path, yes, of course, they can maneuver like this, but they did it, at least always, you know, in less than erdogan, of course, but nevertheless, in the end, turkish statehood itself is legitimized by agreements vladimir lenin and mustafa kemal, this must also be remembered, so in this respect, it is also a legacy, that is, when there is an understanding that moscow can... with your opponents, you also try not to give it such opportunities

and show that you are a better partner because it is absolutely obvious that russia can establish a special relationship with the indian national congress, well, there is no need to doubt that either, so of course narendzi is forced to come, forced to talk and forced to endure this insult, because on the day of his arrival they will be fired upon ... hospital to kill children, that means a lot in indian, not even political, but everyday culture, of course he was mad, don't even doubt it, but hey, he's already there, he can't turn around and leave, that's spoiling his relationship with moscow, again, to open a green street for china, it will not be right, of course, many in india generally believed that he should not go. that he should not go there, but to maintain a certain balance, well, relatively speaking,

the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleba visited new delhi, you know, in principle, this also distinguishes the indian attitude to the conflict from the chinese, right? yes yes? unfortunately, there has not yet been a visit by the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine to china, i think it would be good if he had, but he did not. i was in india, well then it was possible to maintain relations at such a level. not. the minister of foreign affairs of russia, sergei lavrov, and it was possible to exchange visits with putin already after the political settlement, but... this is clear, but again, you understand what modzi is guided by, the fact that he somehow has to hold putin's hand , for the other hand, not the one held by xizen ping, and don't forget that in any case there is a visit, there is no visit, the very fact that india buys russian oil is quite telling a fact in terms of what is happening in

india-russia relations. i have repeatedly said that if india did not buy russian energy carriers and... in general, this war would have stopped a long time ago, because they would not have the money to continue it, it is a kind of vicious circle, andrei, you know, on the one hand, the western countries are introducing sanctions against the russian federation, they call them sanctions from hell, we have said many times that in fact, if these sanctions had been introduced earlier, then we could have resolved these issues completely calmly and there would not have been this one war, you see, these sanctions were introduced, and nothing changed, because it turned out that during this time another economy appeared, sino-indian, relatively speaking, but this economy exists due to good economic relations with the west, it not by itself, it is not in an airless space, and it turns out that the west adopts

sanctions against such countries as the russian federation, as the islamic republic of iran, as north korea. hoping that these sanctions should force the rulers of these countries to reconsider their foreign policy, it is with on the one hand, and on the other hand, he continues economic cooperation with china, and china supports the economy of china, iran and from north korea and other such countries, and they may not pay attention to the west, can it be prevented, i can tell you, as it is necessary to remove from the people's republic of china all the factories that are assembled with the manufacture of industrial products, the assembly of these industrial products in essence, and to strengthen customs duties, customs duties on chinese products, this will be such a blow to china, after which its the economy will collapse, as if there were no years of success, but it will also be a blow to the west,

but if the west would even hint to china that it can do this, "here we are, here you are supporting russia, god be with you, we already all said, well then we start from january 2025 to require our companies operating in your market to close their assembly plants, as they did in russia, ugh, otherwise we will impose sanctions on them in our countries, on mask, on everyone, on iphone, on apple, no". you have there will be no assembly, assembly in taiwan, in mexico, in south korea, assemble, in india, no, by the way, by the way, i will interrupt you, i apologize, part of the production capacity has really started to drift towards india in recent years, and india also trades with russia, and india also trades with russia, and it turns out that there

is also a closed circle, huh, so india needs to say this, but now the main basis for the economy of russia. not india, india buys energy, but the entire russian economy is replaced by chinese goods and chinese spare parts for the military of the russian federation, they are assembling weapons from chinese components, the thing is that you have to start with china, well, but they are not doing it, so then you have to say that these sanctions cannot work, that it is a game of sanctions, that the west really suffers more , than russia, and what a vicious circle it is, and they ... created it and no one can say: you know, we live in a completely different world, in this world there is no such economy in the west as it was 30 years ago. 30 years ago, the economy of great britain was bigger than the economy people's republic of china. let's say, whatever the economy of the people's republic of china is, maudzedun demanded that this steel

be boiled in agricultural ones. operatives almost in the houses of the peasants, i really wanted to overtake the soviet union and the united states there, it was a completely unmodern childlike economy with a huge population that could not be fed, well, now everything is different, now it is china, this is a country that in the last decades seriously developed, but you understand, it seems to me that we did not understand this aphorism with which the founder of modern china, denseoping has entered into... it doesn't matter what color the gut is, just that it catches mice, and we always thought that it meant, it doesn't matter whether it's private property or public, just that there would be welfare on... but it is not the welfare of the language population. it doesn't matter what color the cat is, as long as the power of the communist party was preserved. that's what it means. and this

means that the market economy is not about welfare, that the market economy can be just as calmly abandoned if it interferes with the power of the communist party. but with on the other hand, if economic problems also hinder this government, then they will try to avoid these problems with them. you can play it, but the west is afraid, because the whole western welfare system of the last 30 years, this consumer society is famous, it exists at the expense of cheap chinese labor, and i was always horrified, you know, i was in a city in the netherlands on the border with germany, which is visited by tens of thousands of german tourists every day, is not a very... well-known city, i am not even now i will remember the name, but, this city has always been known as the center of the textile industry

of the netherlands, it is, if you like, the place of the netherlands, but realistically speaking, there is not a single textile industry left in this wonderful place factories none, they are all located somewhere, in this, in china, and that’s it, that ’s it, enschede, i even mentioned this city, enschede, that’s a problem, mr. vitaly, not only enceede, it’s a problem of hundreds, if not thousands, just for me, the scaffolding was very revealing, because they built it there and very much they are proud of this, a fabulous city, ugh, the most modern, they repurposed the factory. ugh, ugh, these are all shopping centers, swimming pools, entertainment centers, the germans go there, shopping, entertainment, great atmosphere, but there is no production, well, the same story, by

the way, when the famous european brands were bought by the chinese, yes, that is we will not name, but there are huge auto giants. the car manufacturers that were bought by companies from china, there are telecommunications companies that, that were bought by companies from china, they now operate in the territory of the european union, and not only including in china, and this is essentially the same chinese expansion, that is, it does not only continue due to the transfer of production from the european union to china. and it also continues through the targeted purchase of enterprises, successful, famous, brand-name,

european companies, they will be bought by the chinese, of course, not without the blessing of the chinese communist party, but they buy, they invest, and here i completely agree with the fact that europe can also suffer from such sanctions, that's why they don't introduce them, we're getting there to the point that we have an answer to the question of why they are trying to avoid even discussing this, even avoiding hints to the people's republic of china, why we will not impose such sanctions, because they understand that it will first of all affect themselves, by their citizens. by their companies, by their gdp, in the end, this is the answer to the question, because europe, conventionally,

and china are connected in many areas of the economy, connected by financial, financial things, and this will hit the citizens, and if will hit the citizens, then it will also hit the ratings. of those political forces that are in power today in one or another european state, this is immediately negative, if not tens, then percentages, percentages, percentages , once again percentages, i absolutely agree, that is why i say that we are in this we are in a vicious circle, so when they say how to stop russia, how, how to stop russia, if we are afraid to... put pressure on china, i say, that is why i believe that this story is connected with the declaration samita nato, that's it

important thing because they have never spoken so harshly about china and never given such signals that you actually support russia's aggressive war, that we will reckon with it, that we have to fight it, what is china doing by the way, china immediately starts the next almost day to announce that he will conduct military exercises from the russian federation, at the entrance to the south china sea, a strategically important thing and... they are going to conduct these exercises there, that's all, and they are absolutely sure that this is their signal, you see they are demonstrably unresponsive to these signals, these harsh assessments of the chinese role in the war, they largely began with a visit to petin, united states secretary of state anthony blinken, who clearly told the chinese that if the leadership of the people's republic of china did not take measures against those of their companies that

continue to cooperate with moscow. then america itself can do it, and xi jinping did not react to it, in fact. now , they also reacted to nato's declaration by saying that it is a lie, that china is deliberately accused, chinese foreign minister wang made a special statement. and the next day they are informed, we will have military exercises with russia, that is, they continue to play their game, which is the essence of which no one will tell us who we should deal with. "if you want to somehow get rid of this war, negotiate with russia, and we will help, that's all their logic, and by the way , i think there is another very important signal to china, this is the way the participants of this anniversary summit were selected , because in addition to the president of ukraine, well, he will invite there of the president of ukraine, it was quite natural, there were the leaders of south korea, australia, new zealand, and japan." and

by and large, this suggests that nato's attention, we say that donald trump is going to switch attention to the asian region, but it has already been switched by and large. as you understand, if vladimir putin had not started a war with ukraine, ukraine would definitely not be among nato's priorities. maybe we would have taken ukraine into nato, but just as we took poland or the czech republic no idea what it is associated with strategic danger. but the asian pacific. region, this is the number one issue for the north atlantic alliance, if they invite to their anniversary summit exactly those leaders of the country that are in direct, i would say such a clash with the people's republic of china, for china it is also an unpleasant signal, especially since you know that the ministry of foreign affairs of japan, i think these days in their annual white papers, they rated china as the main threat to... they also

said absolutely clearly that it is china and its actions in the asia-tokyo region that threaten japan's national security, because these actions are very ambitious, they are very tough, and the chinese are doing everything possible to show that they are ready for all this, i would said, to increase and do everything possible so that everyone can see the level of their ambitions, this is... the oceanic region, and central asia, you and i did not mention the summit of the shanghai cooperation organization, but there tejizenping is the main character, all leaders are oriented towards him states of central asia, that's all they ask, what happens as a result of such summits, because the shanghai organization of employees is an absolutely meaningless organization, meaningless, of course, but, but recently information appeared about a large chinese military base in

tajikistan. this is, conditionally speaking, a formal anti-terrorist base that we agreed to leave to shambe, but we understand what an anti-terrorist base is, in any case, it is a contingent of chinese troops on the territory of tajikistan, where there were previously russian troops, of course there the shanghai cooperation organization cannot make any such proposals, because they will be blocked by moscow, but it is a gateway for china to control more and more central asia up to the russians. borders, because kazakhstan, tajikistan, uzbekistan, and kyrgyzstan are interested in contacts with china. on the other hand, the asian-texas region. china conducts exercises not only with russia, it also conducts military exercises with vietnam. also a good signal for the united states, which agreed with vietnam about strategic partnership. and at the same time, vietnam conducts training with the people's republic of china. well, there is a certain pro... problem,

right?