you just pour dirt on the commander of the air force and so on, that is why such shameful cases should have no place at all, here, dear ladies, it is necessary to provide the deputy or those who are behind her with a legal assessment, a legal assessment to the law enforcement officers regarding such and such actions that she allows herself in the public space are the duties of a people's deputy, are the duties of her member of the security and defense committee, which clearly states that where... how can talk and what control can be carried out not publicly, there is a mass mechanisms, where you can talk about these things and do real work instead of throwing mud at the army. and one more thing, i will add that today we have 300 km of border with enemy states, and approximately 900 km of assets, where active hostilities and air forces are conducted, here is a completely different issue. our front does not end anywhere,

our front is everywhere, everyone is everywhere in lviv, in kyiv and so on, here we need to ensure the protection of the airspace, and these are the actions that experts and deputies allow themselves, they are absolutely not inspire the army so that they simply do their work, and we will continue to do it in the future, no matter what, but please tell me, mr. yuri, do you understand the meaning of these new political discussions around representatives of the military command. this was once before the resignation of general zaluzhnyi? mr. vitaly, i understand better, better than anyone else , what the real reason is, but today i wear shoulder straps, and i can't now, but you have a political club, and you are discussing who benefits from it, why. please tell me that what you said means, in principle, that this missile that hit ahmadit was very difficult to shoot down about the situation in which we found ourselves, well, most of the rockets were shot down, of course, well, at ahmadit.

experts have to decide whether it was russia or whether they did it on purpose , well, there were already statements, respectively, that it was a targeted strike, a terrorist act, it is difficult to shoot down any missile, by world standards even with a 50% success rate of air defense, it is already possible considered successful if the enemy hits, i will not re-roll again with such types, a large number means of air attack, and we have... a limited amount of air defense, well, to shoot down everything, well, in fact, in fact , it is unrealistic, that is why we expect it, and that is why every day you see from the mouths of the state leadership, the president and everyone who communicates with society and the west , the word air defense is heard every day, more air defense systems, this is our defense against the enemy now, and the opportunity to cover the airspace in the future in the occupied territories, as he said. victory on

earth is forged in the sky, you need to understand that we have to gain an advantage, air parity on occupied territories even then, this will ensure success in conducting ground operations. well, i understand that the appearance of the f16 should provide this task, how realistic is it? f16 planes are western planes, and even today western media people were asking what we are there, what we can achieve, whether it will be a game changer, such a fashionable word today understands. i want to draw everyone's attention to the interview i gave a few weeks ago, we published it on the official pages, brigadier general serhii golubtsov on radio svoboda, there all the answers to the questions about the planes, about the 16, especially, it will be such a basic generation, there are, i would like better modifications, so i will add only to announce, so who has not seen this interview yet, of course, it will be better than that what do we have... today it is

a multi-purpose aircraft that will allow us, in one or another modification, to work at longer distances much more accurately, and most importantly, if we join the club of countries that already have armed patriots, if we join a club of countries that are armed with aircraft of the line f-16 first of all, that means, well, the west just doesn’t give them to us, they will be with us in the future, so this is such a step towards f-16 - it is extremely powerful... a step above which, well, and above all i have worked as a communicator since the first days, when the campaign began for the united states of america to grant us permission to fly for them, and these expectations for these aircraft are not exaggerated, where there may be an exaggeration, and i will repeat myself again, general hlubtsov everything said in an interview, of course we won't get the coolest mods, of course they will even be inferior to russian planes, which have been made for a long time. modernizations

for their su-type aircraft, but you have to start with something, these will be the first modifications, then there are certain moments of modernization in... to the best blocks, well, the best block, this is the block 70-72, the newest in the united states of america, and i i think that we will go step by step so that our expectations are not in vain. thank you, mr. yuri. yuriy ignat, colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, former spokesman of the air force of the ukrainian armed forces, was in touch with us. we will now talk with you about the results washington summit. nato, because... that this is really a very important event, and first of all, it is the jubilee charter, the nato summit, and by and large they just summed it up for me, but also tried to understand where the main danger is, where the main problem is, secondly, of course, ukraine was one of the main topics of this

summit, and we could see how nato sets priorities in its confrontation, on the one hand, the president of ukraine was a guest of this summit, on the other hand, the leaders of australia and new zealand were invited. southern korea, japan, that is, the asia-pacific region. now, almost all leading western politicians, even people who are in difficult, i would say, political relationships with each other, those who are competitors, let's say joseph biden and donald trump, they recognize that the asia-pacific region has become a major center world confrontation. russia's war against ukraine is, by and large, a peripheral conflict for the united states and other western countries, but what is happening in the pacific ocean is valid seriously and that's why, by the way, many people would like to put an end to the russian-ukrainian war as soon as possible, and donald trump talked about this, by the way, to focus on this main danger, and of course we should talk about it all out loud, because nato is

not just a defense alliance for europe, it is an alliance that includes both the countries of north america and the united states of their... point of view, one might say, looking at the pacific ocean and concluding their own military alliances with countries such as australia, like new zealand are trying to find their partners among other countries of the pacific basin, and what does ukraine mean against this background, how much can ukraine, in principle, be in the center of attention? we will talk about it with hanna shelest, director of security studies programs of the foreign policy council, she will join us soon, hanna was there. myself at the summit in washington, there was such a citizen delegation from ukraine, where there were politicians, where there were experts, where there were people who have been engaged in the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine for a long enough time, and this is also such an important moment, so that nato is also an opportunity for communication

between representatives of civil societies who want security for their countries, because of course the main meaning of the north atlantic alliance is precisely security. this is precisely the need to prevent war on the territory of the european continent, on the territory of north america, on the territory of the asia-pacific region, that is, these are big and very broad ambitions, we should also be aware of this, because when we talk about the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine, then of course in this situations we always we return to our own problems and forget that nato is not only a right to security, but also an obligation. the duty , in particular, to help restore real security in the asia-pacific region. we do not know to what level the conflicts will reach here, we do not know what the relations between the united states and the people's

republic of china will look like in the future. this is really such a serious problem. one way or another, we see that this declaration of the nato summit contains for the first time in the history of the alliance. quite serious points are related to the definition of the chinese danger, and china was accused for the first time of the fact that precisely this country contributes to the development of the military-technical complex of the russian federation, the military-industrial complex of the russian federation, so let's not forget that if ukraine becomes a member of nato, it is not just that they will protect us from russia, but we also have to make joint decisions that... protecting the interests of nato countries in the asia-pacific region is also a very important point that needs to be said here, and it seems to me that all of us it we fully understand that such a situation is

a challenge for ukraine in the future, because we do not know the intensity of this conflict, by the way, it will largely depend on the intensity of the conflict between russia and ukraine, on when... in in the 1920s and 1930s, this war will end, how will it end, will the russian federation succeed in imposing its vision, its role on the world, or will it have to abandon these positions. we will ask. annas , and first of all, how did this jubilee summit look, congratulations, good evening, so nato summit, here are your main conclusions, ms. hanna? well, i think that the conclusions should be divided into two parts: conclusions for the alliance itself and conclusions for ukraine. for ukraine , it is somewhat easier to draw conclusions, because it has become better than what we expected in a certain way, but of course, it is much worse. than we would like, because until the last day, although the declaration was prepared very carefully and

in advance, but until the last day there were debates regarding several phrases that for us, well, maybe someone considers them simply linguistic equilibrium, but in fact they are very important, this is not the return path to nato, it is extremely important for ukraine, why, because in the last few months in the same washington very often sounded, and perhaps still it would be best for ukraine, if membership in nato is left as such a definite card in the future negotiations with the russian federation, well, we understand very well that this would play a role in the movement for the russian federation, something that those who believed in the future membership of ukraine in nato succeeded, leave this one phrase and strengthen not just the euro-atlantic integration, but specifically the phrase about ukraine's membership in the alliance, i think that in the future we will still feel the positive consequences of this work, if we talk about the alliance itself,

then in principle, everyone after its end in washington, with whom i had to talk, i was there during the alliance, everyone called it an alliance under the auspices of the election, because it was clear that all the allies were primarily concerned about what would happen to the alliance in the event that biden did not win, or able biden to win and in general, what can happen with american politics. how will it affect the future of transatlantic security, and tell me what was said so harshly about china at this summit, can it also be called a historical event? i would say yes, this is a very big step forward, and let's be honest, but a few years ago, when the madrid declaration was adopted, not just a strategic concept, a document that is adopted by the alliance once every 10 years, it was the first time that china was heard as a well, this one is not yet for... pose, but already with problematic connotations, but until

this year, before this summit, the russian threat and the chinese threat were separated in us, last year's vilnius declaration, they understand that the chinese there is a hybrid threat there taiwan for the indo-pacific region, but there was never a link, this declaration and the statements we heard during the summit, very clearly not just emphasize the role of destructive. to beijing, it would just be logical there, probably within the framework of some statements, and she tied china to the russian federation, to its aggression against ukraine and emphasized that they could not do without china there would be certain successes for moscow as well, and this is exactly what, as we later saw in statements from official beijing, angered china the most. in principle, you talked about that, about this declaration of the summit. by and large, does this mean for ukraine that we have such a promising lack of perspective? eh,

well, the mood there was such that everyone wanted to believe in the best, and i would say in a certain way that on the one hand there was great disappointment and especially at the expert level, at the level of ex-military personnel, and you had to hear what they said : well, why don't we? they succeeded, and everyone called it very clearly the first time, although if in... and before that they knew who was to blame, that this was the decision of washington and berlin, but vilnius was still told not to call them out loud. here they already said absolutely clearly that this was the decision of the white house and the current office in berlin, that they were afraid of escalation, and that is why they were not ready to put a phrase about membership, but on the other hand, the mood was already very seriously different from vilnius, when spoke with representatives of any other countries. even the french, whom before that you enrolled the germans and the americans in the camp of skeptics, yes,

here even the french said that no, if the alliance wants to ensure the security of ukraine, if we want to stop this war, we must finally very clearly give ukraine a perspective, any additional structures are important, this is a step forward, but delaying, it is like delaying the provision of certain types of weapons to ukraine, although, let's be frank, at the strategic level, from expert to diplomatic, there are constant voices discussions are still ongoing, especially in washington, about whether to give ukraine this perspective now. this will help ukraine in security, that is, it will be so certain, even non-defensive, no one is talking about the fifth article, yes, about collective defense, but about deterrence, whether it will be a deterrent effect for the russian federation, or it will actually be equivalent to the use of nuclear weapons , that is, what the russian federation will say after that, and what do i have to lose and will be able to provoke a specific

nato member country, so this fear cannot be call it irrational. the actions of the russian federation are constantly irrational, but this fear is very seriously followed in many discussions in high offices in washington. well, what position do you think will win in the end? should we wait for the presidential elections? well, the presidential election is 100% worth waiting for, and it was also such, you know, an elephant-corrupt bench, that is , it was visible to everyone, it was impossible to hide it, and that everyone... had expectations, including the american delegations, we were in washington a month ago, we met with many, not only experts, and everyone kept saying, we would like to plan something after november, but this is the first election, when we are afraid to plan something too much, except for such daily work, yes, how can they help ukraine, namely because if

trump wins, we simply do not understand what his policy towards ukraine will be. if we talk about how the russian threat is treated in nato at the moment, we can say that it still takes a back seat compared to china, have you noticed that? no, you you know, it was very clearly visible last year, and it was visible very strongly in madrid, in vilnius it was still felt, especially for europeans, no, for europeans , after all, russia was already in the first place, and for americans, too... he constantly emphasized this very clearly, he said that china is a bigger threat than the russian federation, china has more potential capabilities, in the case of a direct conflict, china is more ready for provocation, and russia is more of a regional problem, but this concerns our allies, and this year nevertheless, there is a clear understanding that the russian

federation has become a general problem for the entire alliance, not only that country. the baltic states or ukraine, and the actions of the russian federation, its readiness to escalate and use any force, and to use more and more provocations directly against nato member countries, and of course, it is much, well, how to say it, sounded louder, more more specifically, or, for example, they began to constantly talk not only about the standard actions of the russian federation there in the information sphere or in the cyber sphere, but also... bribery politicians in european countries, for example, spoke very frankly and accused the russian federation of terrorist activities, of those murders that they are currently carrying out against various politicians, or those engaged in the production of weapons, or those explosions that were in germany, in the czech republic, in in several other countries at factories

involved in the production of weapons, it was all openly called acts of terrorism. were attributed to the russian federation and it was said that, unfortunately, the russian federation is expanding the nomenclature of those actions that it is ready to use against european countries. i understand that just at this nato summit georgia was not mentioned, it is no longer a real candidate for the alliance from the point of view of nato members? you know, this is really the first declaration in which georgia is mentioned only once together with moldova in the phrase that... the russian federation is obliged to withdraw troops from the territory, from the occupied territories of georgia and moldova. firstly, there is no separate paragraph on georgia, on its euro-atlantic integration, and here it cannot be said that closed doors, it is rather related to the actions of the georgian authorities, and it is included in the list of actions that took place in the last month.

we had very clear and sharp statements from the european union, we had the suspension of aid from a number of european countries. from the european union, we had the cancellation of the annual military exercises between the usa and georgia, and the summit became another such demonstrative step, roughly speaking, the georgian government, we warn you, and this despite the fact that representatives of georgia were at the summit, which until the last at the time it was unclear whether whether they will arrive or not, but even no statements have been heard. moldova, which is neutral, sounded much brighter during. from this summit than georgia. thank you, thank you, ms. hanna. hanna shelest, director of security studies programs of the foreign policy council of ukraine prism, editor-in-chief of ua. ukraine analysts. which we were in touch with, we will now break for just a few minutes, but you stay with us, there are still important conversations ahead, dear brothers and sisters, i congratulate

you all on the day of the baptism of ukraine and russia and ukrainian statehood. these two holidays are inextricably linked, because prince volodymyr made a spiritual and civilizational choice more than a millennium ago. became fundamental for the creation of our state. through the centuries, this choice guided ukrainians on the path of faith, freedom, and european development. it has become a symbol of our indomitable desire for independence and freedom. today, in the face of the deadly challenges of moscow's imperial aggression, we must remember our true history, our origins, appreciate and affirm the choice made by our forefathers. in this difficult time for ukraine. we fight for our freedom and independence, we pray for victory over the aggressor and a just peace. may the lord strengthen

each of us for further service for the good of ukraine and its pious people and help bring our common victory closer, peace for ukraine closer. god, bless our soldiers, defenders and all our ukrainian people. we continue the interview program on the espressa tv channel. of course, the main event of this day is an attempt on an ex american president donald trump, who is currently fighting to return to the white house. and ihor eisenberg, professor of new york university, is in touch with us. congratulations mr. igor. greetings to you, mr. vitaliy, greetings to all viewers of kanalus. well, what was it anyway, do you understand? well, it was an assassination attempt, it is clear now that it really was an assassination attempt, and i would say that trump was born a second time,

because if that bullet had flown by less than a centimeter on a different trajectory, there would have been, there would have been dire consequences why so many conspiracy theories, some say that it was... instigated by trump himself in order to increase his influence, so to speak, in the election campaign, others say that they wanted to remove trump, republican, even some leading politicians accuse the democrats of creating such the atmosphere in the country and the demonization of trump, why instead of somehow uniting, and by the way, donald trump himself speaks about this, such a...how should i say it, such a triumph of conspiracy? i think that there are two factors here, one factor is, unfortunately, the factor that, he

is now inherent in the whole world, a lot of people, i would say, hundreds of millions of people, they rather want to believe what they are comfortable to believe, what they want to believe, so they find any conspiracy theories very quickly. supporters is very easy to spread simply because of the presence of the internet and it is easy to spread anything, easy to spread information, easy to spread any conspiracy theory, and people believe that any conspiracy theory is more important than the facts, so if the facts contradict the conspiracy theory, then fact, facts wrong, this is one factor, there are simply many people for whom this is the case. what simple explanations of complex things, they are convenient, and the second factor, well, you just mentioned it, is the political struggle that exists in the united states, it

is so fierce, you see, it is already spilling over into violence, and so they say , there, let's say, senator vance, one of trump's candidates for the position of vice president, he accused biden, that biden ... is making a monster out of trump, that it is because of biden's rhetoric, well, other republicans are doing that that is, although trump himself called for unity, called, as his wife also made an address, they called to rise above these contradictions, over violence, called for unity, as did joe biden, addressing yesterday on television to americans, he condemned. this violence condemned the attempt on trump and called for unity, he is talking to trump yesterday , he called him and... now that you and i are

on the air, somewhere it seems that right now joe biden should again speak on television and address the americans already in the second for the last day, and tell me, mr. igor, why many people are starting to say that this assassination attempt decided the presidential election and that now that it happened, trump is doomed to victory, it is completely incomprehensible to me, to be honest, it is also incomprehensible to me, i saw, in particular, in the ukrainian segment of facebook. this morning, american time, even some people write: well, everything is decided, this is absolutely not the case, because the struggle will continue, it can be tougher and will be tougher, for sure, than it was, but this is absolutely, absolutely nothing no, how will people sympathize with trump, his supporters, but the fact is that those who adore him will adore him and continue him, even more like

a martyr, and more. don't look anymore, it's unlikely that the fight for the votes of non-party voters is going on, well, people, people in general , normal people have empathy, that's it, if a normal person just looks, in this case, trump, he has blood all over him, luckily blood, that he, miraculously, miraculously remained alive after this attempt, well , of course, that ordinary people have absolutely without political views, it can be like this... at the moment, but what will happen in november, no one knows that we all have to live until november, and a lot of things can change in the world, change in america, so this is not will determine how people will vote absolutely, it's just amazing to me that every time something happens, everyone immediately says oh that's it, that's it, that's it, you ca n't do anything anymore, those were the comments after that first debate, now after this an assassination attempt,

that is... of course, if trump was really serious suffered or not would not have died, one could say, he was definitely doomed to victory, but trump is alive and fortunately almost healthy. yes, he, he is fortunately indeed he is healthy, i would not, being, not being an absolute supporter of political trump, i , i cannot in any way wish him, that something bad happens to him, absolutely, and i do not wish that to anyone, unless that putin is a man, the only man in the world. to which we probably all wish the same thing, but there will be a pre-election struggle, it will continue like a debate nothing, in fact, they did not change the situation in the pre-election struggle, and it is unlikely that anything will change, after the debate, if you look at the polls in the swinkhts, where the fate of the elections will be decided, well, they were there when the fluctuations were plus or minus 1% here and there, yes they remain, and taking into account

the statistical error of these... the chances of biden and trump winning, as they were 50 to 50, remain 50 to 50 in those states where the fate of the election will be decided, that is a maximum of six or seven states, the main ones are pennsylvania, where trump spoke yesterday, no absolutely no coincidence, michigan, where biden spoke on friday, also absolutely no coincidence, and wisconsin, these three states, they play a special role because, let's say, for biden. in order to become the president , he must win these three states, and tell me, mr. igor, can we in principle say that there will be no replacement of the candidate from the democratic party, and that this situation has somehow stabilized after these celebrity debate, i think there probably won't be, much more likely than not, because joe biden, he, well, he's in spoke in michigan on friday, he...

absolutely said he's staying, he 's going to fight, that he thinks it's absolutely necessary to win this election and continue to do what he's doing, he warned that a trump victory would be dangerous for the country and for the world, it is absolutely not visible that he had any doubts and withdrew from the elections, i would know, i would also say that there is , on the other hand, there is in the democratic party. so among the liberal press, there is such a certain trend that biden should withdraw from elections, well, especially, for example, the cnn channel, he, er, almost did not say anything either about the nato summit, or about what was happening in the world, for two weeks after this debate on the cnn channel, very, well, i would say , more than 80% of its co...