spoke in michigan, he absolutely said that he's staying, he's going to fight, that he thinks it's absolutely necessary to win this election and continue to do what he's doing, he warned that a trump victory would be dangerous for the country and for the world , it is absolutely not visible that he had any doubts and left the election, i would know, i would also say that there is... i, on the other hand, am in the democratic party, and among the liberal press there is such a certain trend that biden should withdraw from the election, well especially, for example, the cnn channel, he hardly said anything either about the nato summit or about what is happening in the world, but for two weeks after these debates on the cnn channel very much, well, i would say more than 80% of his. american, he devoted to

discussing the fact that biden is old and so on and so on. the fact is that this situation is actually much simpler than it seems, because if we assume that biden would withdraw from the election, the only person who could be a candidate who could use the money collected by the campaign by biden's headquarters, and it's only kamala karis, because they collected this money, if they were together, because they go as a couple. any other candidate would have to start the election campaign from scratch, literally, financially, and without money it is impossible to run an election campaign in the united states, imagine how much political advertising costs on television, how much it costs to organize such rallies as trump organized yesterday , and the day before yesterday biden, it takes a lot of money to have campaign headquarters in every state, and just any other democratic candidate in this time left before the election has not had time to...

raise no money, will not have time for anything, this, i would say it would just be a help to trump, kamela harris herself, she has not stated repeatedly during these two weeks that she remains a candidate for vice president, she goes with joe biden, she supports him, she is not absolutely not going to respond to these suggestions that biden should withdraw from the election. and tell me, mr. igor, in principle, if we talk about the further progress events, here is the fact that senator bernie sanders supported biden and called on all american democrats, in the broadest sense of the word, not only the supporters of the democratic party, to unite as they did in france, to fight back against trump, how important it is . for the democratic

party, this is the voice of bernie sanders, the leader of the left forces of the democratic party, it is really important, and bernie sanders read this article of his in the new york times yesterday, he listed on half a page of the newspaper his, his where he does not have agree with biden, but i don't agree with this, with that, with that, with that, but i supported him, supported him, will support him, i urge everyone to support him, by the way, another left-wing leader did the same. oleksandria kaziva cortez of the democratic party, a congresswoman who told television reporters, just publicly, very, very firmly, whether she supports biden and calls for an end to all this talk about biden leaving the election race. this is important because the left wing of the democratic party, although it is not the majority in the democratic party, but it is his, you know, he always speaks very, very loudly, he can be heard, and this... it is important

for the democratic party, because those, the voters of the democratic party, to be united around, around the idea of ​​supporting a single candidate , so that this struggle is stopped. the fact is that joe biden has enough, well, i can say haters, you can say, well, people who do not like him, he has been present in political life for a very long time, there are people who envy him, there are people who he is not perceived. and let's say when biden just started running for president in '20, in the first four states where there were primaries, he lost those primaries, he was in fourth place there, it seems like everywhere, or even somewhere in the damn, i don't remember now, but i wasn't even in the third, but at the end of the day, all the democratic candidates who fought against him, they realized that he was then... the only person who was capable

of defeating trump, let's not to forget that trump was then the current president of the united states, and they one by one, they withdrew their candidacy, called to support biden, and this is true. contributed to the fact that the democratic voters united, and what happened after the debate, well, this trend, you know, it disappoints a lot of people, it does not contribute at all to people being active, so that simply it can contribute to , that people will then not come to the polls and vote, and that, that would be very bad, but the journalists of the new york times or cnn, or the economist, they should realize that, i think they should, frankly, example, i have the position of journalists like thomas friedman, like david remnia, the editor-in-chief of the new yorker, like the position of many cnn anchors, it surprised me because, well, you can hate biden, and biden really

did a really bad debate here. there can't be any doubt, but you have to talk about not only the fact that biden there allowed a collusion so that biden... biden said this and that, you have to discuss what the consequences will be if biden leaves from the election race, what will be the consequences of trump winning? well, for example, the published project of the platform of the heritage foundation, this is the ideological headquarters of the republican party, which is called the 2025 project, from which trump, by the way, is baptized, that it has nothing to do with him, but... this is a 995-page project to build such a very right-wing in america the authoritarian regime simply bans, bans on abortions, restrictions, restrictions, contraceptives, access to contraceptives,

the release of all diplomats, all professional employees of the state department on the first day of a new one. presidency, the firing of all other professional civil servants, civil servants, that is, the direct reporting of the federal prosecutor's office to the president, so that the president can appoint special prosecutors and investigate anything that replaces him, and so on and so forth, this is very little discussed, in fact, we have to discuss political programs , it seems to me that there is no point in discussing personalities, because with personalities everything is well... everything is more or less clear, it is necessary, it is necessary to discuss the programs and the elections, it seems that they expressed it seems even today on your youtube channel or the other day that this election is very much a referendum on whether or

not donald trump can lead the country, i totally agree with you because because who, who is going to be the democratic nominee , there is no in... in this case it matters, and it really is, because it is a choice between where america will go, or whether it will build this far-right authoritarian state, and among other things, in this project 2025 , that america should withdraw its troops from europe and only provide assistance with nuclear weapons to the european nato countries, if necessary, and the european nato countries must protect themselves from possible ... russian aggression, it is written there simply in black and white. so, will america be like this, will america be different, will it remain the leader of the free world? the choice is between these two platforms, and it doesn't even matter who represents them. just another thing is that trump is very

popular, so he has become such an icon among several tens of millions of people who have believe almost as in god, and therefore his voters, in unity among. they are guaranteed to him, that is , they will all come to the elections, and the discussions in the liberal political camp that are currently taking place do not contribute to unity there, so what new york times sanders wrote, what oleksandrazi said is important in order to ensure the unity of the liberal forces on the eve of these elections, and in this way we can talk about the fact that today's story is already a week from now. maybe it won't be such a big part of it either election campaign, how did the debate cease to be such an important part of the election campaign, that we are simply witnessing such a tough election campaign, maybe not even a tough election campaign, i agree with you, and and and and on, and on and on, in the future we will witness

many more things, who will dream up what happened yesterday, what happened the day before yesterday, that is, it will really be a very tough fight, it is tough. it will continue to remain as fierce, it is a struggle between these two luminaries, which are very difficult to combine one with one, unfortunately, this is before... it starts to spill over into what we saw yesterday, this is of course, that this is absolutely unacceptable, i agree 100 times with everyone who publicly condemned this attempt, this is absolutely unacceptable in a civilized country, in a civilized world. thank you, thank you, mr. igor. ihor aydzma, a professor at new york university, was in touch with us, we talked with him about what was happening in the united states at that time, the main event. of the day, which all the world's media are writing about, is the situation

related to the assassination attempt on donald trump, and it is obvious that this is such an important political story, which will be talked about for a long time, about the circumstances of this story, about what happened, now you and i will move to another country, to poland, with us. i don't know if you can hear me now, can you hear me? ugh,

it was a great honor for me to be the author of this resolution, when we recognized the deportation as genocidum, we were simply restoring historical justice, because if we want the world to recognize the holodomor as genocide, then obviously we cannot close our eyes to the genocide of our compatriots, ukrainians of crimean tatar origin, and the fact that the whole world now supports it is very important. the whole world is beginning to support, because lithuania and latvia, canada, and now poland have already supported, and we will make sure that this support continues, of course, this is also important for our future, because when we say whose crimea and we answer that crimea ours, then the question is whether it is ours, of course, crimea is ukrainian, but crimea is also crimean-tatar, because these are the roots of the population, the roots of the people of crimea, who do not see themselves as separate from ukraine, who have a huge history shared history with us, which was simple and not very, we were allies, and

we were enemies, but we fought together with today's aggressor, who is now destroying us one by one, and the crimean-tatar people have already almost annihilated, we just have to think about the fates of these people who were resettled in the 44th year to central asia, to central asia to other countries that lost more than half of their population, who are being mocked now... and when we talk about the future of crimea, we must ensure the rights of this people , it seems to me that this is one of the most important principles and ways to convince the world to support us even more strongly in the de-occupation of crimea, and the de-occupation of crimea is exactly zelensky's plan, when we talk about ukraine within the framework of the 91st year, this is what the whole world is talking about now, and this is what should take place from the point of view of justice, inviolability of borders, on the one hand. to us ukrainians, but also from the point of view of justice in relation to

the crimean tatar people. now a lot of people talked about the agreement that was signed, the agreement on the security guarantee, not the security guarantee, the security agreement between ukraine and poland and talked about the fact that there is a point in this agreement that allows poland to destroy russian missiles, as if even in the ukrainian sky, which they fly in the direction of poland, but now we have to refute it. are we relying too much on the texts of these documents? no, we do not have a denial, we have a denial from stoltenberg, who says that for nato it may pose a certain threat, but this is not a denial, poland wants it, and poland even now, after the signing of the agreement and stoltenberg's words, says that will try to convince nato, to help. shooting down missiles and drones on the territory of ukraine. it is extremely important for us. this agreement makes it possible

to do so in the future. so much of what we promise now actually manifests for us in the future. we used to talk about patriots as something unattainable. then about the f-16. now it is written in the agreement, this norm is written in the agreement. and it is obvious that, firstly, it is extremely important, and secondly, it is something that can be implemented. and if there is such a need, it will certainly be implemented nato countries in the future. to what extent, in principle, can we now talk about the fact that poland can somehow... take a special position in its relations with ukraine regarding this war, for example, the minister of foreign affairs of poland, mr. sekorsky already says that there are people who are ready to join this ukrainian legion, none of the other nato countries do the same, do they not form such legions on their territory? well, i think that they will

form, this is an initiative of the ukrainian side, the ukrainians turned to the poles because here... there are really a lot of ukrainians, and the poles simply contribute to this ukraine, now we will connect again and find out what this ukrainian legion looks like in poland, what are the procedures for its creation, how do people join there, because this is such an interesting initiative, of course, which one... is aimed at ukrainian citizens who are currently in the territory of nato countries, in the territory of the european union countries, ukraine, who, as you know, finance ukrainian e-e opportunities, finance their participation own in the help of ukraine, because they also give money, as

you know, to their own enterprises of the military-industrial complex, which make weapons by order of their governments. for ukraine and of course for these countries too, it is very important to see that ukrainians themselves actively want to participate in the defense of their own country, that the money of western taxpayers is not just some kind of, relatively speaking, desire and not just some kind of ritualistic procedure, but that this really corresponds to the request of the ukrainian society to protect its country, this a very... important moment, as we perfectly understand, and in this situation, you and i should also realize how important the moment is, primarily related to ukraine's cooperation with poland, and ukraine's cooperation with the baltic countries, as well as neighboring countries, firstly, and secondly, we need to know what

this situation looks like, of course, from the point of view of neighboring countries. because these countries, unlike the countries of the west, unlike the countries of western europe, unlike the countries of the south of europe, they have their own experience coexistence or existence in the soviet empire, in the russian empire, and part of poland, the baltic countries, they were part of the russian empire, later, as we know, the baltic countries were occupied by the soviet union in 1940, and poland became part of the so-called. socialist camp, and therefore they have a clear understanding of what they are dealing with when it comes to moscow, and to what extent in moscow they generally understand the language of common sense and how much they respect the language of power, all this is their very important experience, and it is absolutely obvious, it seems to me that we now

perceive these states as the most serious lobbyists of our interests. in the european union, in nato, regardless of any polemics there, on historical issues, on economic issues, how much we talked about these economic issues with poland, and we understand that the european integration of ukraine, of course, will take place in such discussions, that poland, its society and government will protect its own economic interests, by and large it may all take away additional time. even with the european integration of ukraine, and this must also be understood, of course , but along with this there is an awareness, if you will, an awareness of this, an understanding of the situation, it is there, and it is this understanding of the situation that must be used, because we see that public opinion in neighboring

countries, it is aimed at supporting ukraine. that there is a large part of society in neighboring countries that understands all the dangers of moscow. even in those countries whose governments, as you know, quite often pursue a pro-russian policy, we often talk about the role of the prime minister of hungary viktor orbán, who recently visited not only kyiv, but also moscow, beijing, by the way, met in the united states with... donald trump, who was the main character of our conversation for literally a few minutes therefore, and of course, all this talk is about ukraine agreeing to the russian conditions for the end of the war, we understand this very well. but at the same time, on the day orbán met with trump there, the leader of the hungarian opposition party tisza, peter madzir, who

is the main opposition figure in hungary, he came to kyiv precisely to express the support of the ukrainian people on behalf of the hungarian society, a huge part of the leading hungarian politicians there, the mayor of budapest always express solidarity with ukraine, that is, it cannot be said. what is orbán in his policy of orientation towards putin, what is he expressing the position of the entire hungarian society? no it is not. the same applies to slovakia. we saw that during the change of power in slovakia, the current prime minister of slovakia, robert fitza, he was such a supporter of reducing aid to ukraine, but this is not the opinion of the entire slovak society, it is the opinion of only part of the part that won the parliamentary and presidential elections today. so, mr. mykola, let's go back to the history of the ukrainian legions and the prospects of such formations. the ukrainian legion is, as i

said, an initiative of the ukrainian side, and the fact that the poles help it is of course a good thing, because there are a lot of men on the territory of poland who are afraid to return to ukraine for one reason or another, but they would like to protect ukraine, this is a certain guarantee for them that they will be in a ... common community of their own, and that is why they enroll there, i think the same will be the case in other countries , which will allow creating such regions and teach ukrainians, and then these ukrainians will somehow come to fight in ukraine, well, that is, if they themselves want or how it should look, you need to ask the ministry of defense, but there is no other point in forming and teaching ukrainians for borders in parts of the ukrainian army, if they are not protected'. chat ukraine, right? well, obviously, yes, i understand that. and what do polish-ukrainian relations look like today with this new government of donald tosk, can we talk about any significant changes, or

rather the continuation of the policy? which, no, there are definitely changes, maybe they are not as fast as before, there were pluses in the previous government of piss, because when the full-scale invasion just started, we remember that the polish government supported us, received us very many ukrainians, then in... the pre-election period, border blockades began, and the confederation began, but peace did nothing, trying to place the responsibility for what is happening in the future on the future tusk government. it was difficult for the tusk government to deal with this, now it will be key in our admission to the european union, because poland, together with germany, france, are actually becoming the pillars of the european union, especially when we, well... we cannot predict what will happen in the united states of america and great britain, after the change of government, the european union supports great britain, special relations with poland too, the role of poland in the eu will be very large, and

therefore tusk will help us in the defense sphere, but in the economic sphere there may be problems, and of course there are various provocateurs, for example, when they voted on the issue of recognizing the resettlement of the crimean tatars as genocide, both the coalition and its opposition in... the largest opposition, peace , supported this decision, they all voted for it, but the confederation party, for example, showed its completely pro-russian face and everyone voted against, so that these pro-russian forces inside poland, of course, we will hear about their existence, especially since the confederation in the european union entered, formed a joint party group with an alternative for germany, which orbán's supporters did not even accept , yes, of course. there will be problems in polish society, but we must say that in general polish society supports ukraine, will support it in the european union, the largest political

parties will support ukraine, we need be friends with poland, but agree on economic cooperation in the eu, defending one's own interests, and problems will arise here. well , in fact, these same problems are not actually resolved to this day, we see how from time to time they block the borders again, from time to time they will er... again present certain claims of an economic nature to the export of ukrainian products through poland, i am not saying even in poland. well , yes, there is an embargo, that's all, and, oddly enough, in the situation of these debates, uh, the ukrainian side is right, because if we limit our the right to be in the european union, or to accept us there with various quotas, then the question arises, why ukraine at all. this is the european union, but at the same time, poland is definitely our biggest ally in the defense sphere, and considering the fact that the defense policy of the european union will

grow, here poland will follow... ukraine and do it almost the most out of all other countries, which are in the european union, so it is necessary to conduct negotiations, to work with the poles a lot, and i hope that it will be so, but the day after tomorrow the visit of the ukrainian group of parliamentarians, which cooperates with polish parliamentarians, this is the first such visit to poland after the elections, we will have a lot of important meetings with the leadership of the government, and the parliament, and the commission, and the ministries, so on all... and on the parliamentary, on there should be cooperation at the governmental and presidential level, and we are working for this. and tell me, please, in principle, can we now talk about the fact that the societies of the central countries of central europe are already tired of this war, or is it different from what we see say, in the west and south of europe? well

, we lost contact again, and this is also an important topic, because of course, support for ukraine depends on public support, and this is very important for understanding what the interests of the allies are, and mr. mykola, please , i don't know if you can hear me now, here the connection disappeared during our conversation, i started the beginning of your question, is fatigue felt from the war. well, from the support of ukraine, how does it differ in central europe and in western europe, let's say. well, you see, we lost this connection again, but we will break now for a few minutes and continue after the break.

your place is waiting for you, the light stays on, what you love for dinner , a warm bed is made, there will be walks, walks and swimming, they are waiting for you on your street, at school, in your church, because in your home they dream about you, you are always in front of their eyes, they cry for you, they pray for you, we

did not give up, because we knew that... that you are already somewhere nearby, half the battle is to know how hard victory is given, and we will do anything to hug you sooner so when you're home when we are together we are more than family. we are a nation that has united around you, we continue the political club on the espressa tv channel, and now we are going to one more european country, to france, where the parliamentary elections were held, and maria oleksa, journalist, editor of

state television in france will be with us. in touch and we will talk about the consequences of these elections, about how the situation is developing now. congratulations mr. maria. congratulations. well, so what's going on now? how does emmanuel macron get along with the parliament in which no one has a majority. complete chaos ensues. in my opinion, france is entering an era that is probably the most unstable politically in the last, well, 10 years to be exact. macron is a sensation. that he is a little detached from reality and he could not accept the results of these elections for a long time, first of all, he was silent for a long time, relatively long. we found out the results last sunday, the president only addressed the french on wednesday and he didn't do it in a televised address as usual, he wrote a letter that was then released to the press, and in that letter he says that no party won, that's a fact, but he and...