somehow agree while we are still, so to speak, more or less moderate, but it will only get worse, every day of the war worsens your situation, you will delay, there will be nothing to agree on at all, you will have no infrastructure, in winter you will to freeze, to die, and by the way, this is what orbán said, that he believes that the next months of the war will be more brutal and bloody than the previous ones. he drew this conclusion from a conversation with putin. well, here is the answer to your question. of course, will try to try putin will simply force ukrainian society to look russian reality in the eye and understand that resistance is hopeless. and by the way, i would add one more thing to this, this is a post on social networks of the former president of the russian federation, deputy chairman of the security council of russia dmitry. medvedev, mr. medvedev

said clearly that yes, we can end the war now, of course, if they admit defeat, but we will come back to destroy all of ukraine. that is, it is also a signal not to us, but to this chauvinist-minded one to the part of the russian establishment that can tell putin, but why did we start this war, for the sake of some unfortunate four oblasts, well, this is ridiculous, our task of restoring the soviet union, we have to get to the bottom of it. and instead we reached some donetsk, luhansk and kherson, a comedy, well, they say no to such people, we will reach uzhhorod, just wait, we need to take a break now for one reason or another. i think that it will continue like this until putin realizes that this operation does not end with anything, that ukraine does not accept these conditions, then some new special operation will begin, let's see, i already said it. a lot, and

in your opinion, how does ukrainian society react to all these things, we see that on the one hand yes, and by the way, i forgot, there were also posts by ukrainian bloggers, even people's deputies of ukraine who ran for office, i to this kind, i am saying that if we are talking about ukrainian society, then at least they are trying to promote to us... er, informationally, in the media, what is allegedly a part of ukrainian society, and , you see, such influencers, bloggers, people with a million audience, deputies, it is clear that from those political forces, and those deputies, who until february 24, 2022 were promoting completely russian narratives, unfortunately, these no one punished the deputies, they still go to the verkhovna rada. servants of the people ran for office, well, there are

those who are from the servant of the people, there are those who are conditionally, from the former opposition platform for life, that is, people who, conditionally speaking, do not bear any responsibility for their words and actions, but less so, here is this, at least this effort, at least demonstrations that a part of ukrainian society supposedly wants to accept these conditions. this is really the participation of these persons in a special operation, well, at least, if we are talking about these deputies, then most likely it is, but there are, for example, bloggers, those who are now making excuses, saying that this did not happen, or is it really a certain part of ukrainian society has this point of view, after certain actions, which we see now on the screens, behind us, well, people have different respond to challenges. does anyone think that if

such a situation arises, it is better to surrender and live in peace? you understand, there is another illusion that we also need to talk about in detail, many people have it, by the way, it existed until 2022, this illusion that it is possible to come to an agreement with the russians, and by the way, this was the main idea of ​​the presidential campaign campaign of 2019, to end the war in his head, to come to an agreement with putin, the ukrainian authorities do not want. to end the war, by the way, is now the same thing that volodymyr zelenskyi said about petro poroshenko, talks about volodymyr zelenskyi, such a political boomerang has returned, which should have been expected, but all the same, this illusion among many ukrainians, no matter what, is not going anywhere, which means it is not going to happen, because there is an idea that if there is such a horror, then it's better to just change the flag, after all, what 's changing? well, the russians will come, well, they are

bad, but they won't fire at anything here, well, they will change the flag, there will be a tricolor instead of a blue-yellow flag, if i am a simple person, who in the end difference. it is important for me that my family live peacefully, that they are not bombed, that they are not shelled, will be citizens of the russian federation, well, people became citizens of the russian federation, he is in the crimea and in the donbas and nothing, they went to russia, they live there peacefully, nobody it does not kill them, and all that, there is such a point of view, but i have to say, let it sound cynical for these people, that it is too late to drink borjomi, why really on february 24 , 2000. on the 22nd year, vladimir putin had an idea, that he will parade to kyiv, change the flag here, and these wrong russians, who live on the territory of little russia, and novorossiya and some other russia, will become correct, and

will simply be another part, so to speak, of his electorate, all the more so it is worth remembering that until 2014 vladimir putin was the most popular foreign politician in the eyes of most ukrainians, well and then he was oleksandr lukashenko. beautiful people, we just don't have enough of them, so to speak, and by the way, it is based on the assessment of the situation that ukrainians are simply waiting for russian liberators, and they are being betrayed by their presidents, first petro poroshenko, and then volodymyr zelenskyi, and the idea of ​​the blitz krieg was based on the idea of ​​this parade, which was supposed to take place in khreshchatyk in march 2022, but when the ukrainian troops... passed through the territory of ukraine, it immediately turned out that the vast majority of ukrainians do not perceive them as some kind of liberators, it was also visible in the north of the country, and by the way, from bucha, it was visible in the south of the country, remember the demonstrations of the residents of kherson, who in the first days

went directly to the russian tanks with the slogans kherson is ukraine , that is, it turned out that ukrainians do not consider themselves. by the way , there was a convincing example that when the occupiers asked the schools of the occupied part of the zaporizhzhia region what language you want to teach your children, and this, from their point of view, is a region of the russian federation, the vast majority of parents chose the ukrainian language for their children, not russian, that is, it turned out that these people, whom the russians themselves consider russians, consider themselves ukrainians, which basically means, it means, by and large , that the population is disloyal, and in this way, this population needs to be got rid of, and in principle this tactic is to get rid of the population of the assigned territory, to replace it with a loyal population, this is the state policy

of moscow since the time of the first moscow grand dukes, that is, since the time of the first annexation, the first annexation was ryazan, the people of ryazan were expelled, the muscovites... settled, not expelled, cut out, probably, we will be honest, we don't know, the chronicle says that they were expelled, and i think that this is a softened wording, so nothing, for people who think that they will be able to. come to an agreement with the russians, they will not make peace except for the grave or exile, that is, the options will be very simple, mostly most people will be expelled, a large number of people will be killed, those who will remain will be at the bottom of the social hierarchy. because they will always have the brand that people in the ukrainian ssr had, who continued to live here during the nazi occupation, they always wrote in their questionnaires that they lived in the occupied territory, they were to blame, no, they were left here by the soviet army, but it was part of the questionnaire for them and their children, and they didn't care

were at the bottom of the social pyramid, it will be the same with those who had the misfortune to be a citizen of independent ukraine, that is, someone will be filtered out. someone will be killed, someone will be jailed, someone will simply have the profession of a programmer or a teacher, clean the yard, and you dream that he will be released from here, because he will not be released from here, as an uncharitable person, just a passport is not will also extradite a citizen of the russian federation abroad, when someone thinks that i am scaring someone there, then i i have to remind you... that it was like this here for 100 years in a row, but ukrainians cannot hear those who cannot speak, i mean the killed and exiled, although in the exiled you can talk somewhere with ukrainians who have lived in america for 20- x, 30s, 40s of the 20th century in canada, in principle, the ukrainian ssr is

a country in which the population consisted of those who won the civil war, and those who were killed and those who were not was able to leave here, and these people have always lived here, so to speak, well lived, so nothing happened to them, and so it may be the same with us, but you are not in this role now, dear compatriots, because... there were people who were supporters of other political views, relatively speaking, in 1920, there were ukrainian nationalists, ugh, ukrainian liberals, the bourgeoisie, who were not allowed anywhere due to their class, expelled, shot, uh, all these people were simply destroyed, or expelled, or once again dragged to the very bottom of society, because they wrote that they were from the exploiting classes, it was like that . a large number of these people died in the repressions of the 20s, then the repressions of the 1930s began, where

people who were supporters of the coalition with the bolsheviks, activists of the ukrainian communist party of borotists and the jewish communist party began to die, well , the previous ukrainian nationalists and zionists had already been shot, expelled, they were communists , just not disloyal, yes, ukrainian and jewish, well , those who did not want to see russia here, well, they were also shot again with... children and wives, the children there were sent to orphanages, those who were not shot, and then ukrainian bolsheviks came, time, their turn, they were all wiped out in the 37th year, three members of the central committee of the communist party of the bolsheviks of ukraine, three in a row, they were all shot, no one was left, and before that these people participated in the famine, as their were shot, and then millions of people were also destroyed, millions, and then you, who prepared it, yes... all those who glorified them were also destroyed en masse, these are not some conventional stories for you about the fact that here is such a writer

or some member of the central committee of the party , this is massive death, millions of people, and who was left here in the end, well, first of all, there were those who survived, there were not so many of them, and they were all scared again, then a huge number of them died even in the second world war during the german occupation from the famine of the 1950s, and even during... there were people left who were transported from russia, this is not politically correct to say, but we perfectly understand where the industrial agglomeration here came from in areas where there has always been a rural population, a rural population which was, ukrainian, well, mostly yes, well, that's it ukrainian, the population of the towns was jewish-polish, relatively speaking, where did all these people later look, that everything became russian, and by the way, i will say more, it was not even only during the bolsheviks, so i... yes it happened, and i am curious that the only city with a predominantly ukrainian

population in the entire territory of ukraine until 1917 was the city of poltava, and there was another city with a predominantly jewish population, the city of berdychiv, in all other cities there were russians, where did they come from in general , they are arrived, they didn’t live here until the pereyaslovsky council and beyond, they were all brought here, and all these ukrainians were pushed out into villages, into small towns, further marginalized, they too... that he is negotiating with the russians, and by the way, if to say, oh, this is a special attitude towards ukrainians, no, when ivan the terrible captured the city of kazan and the kazan khanate, special orders were issued that tatars could not live in cities, only in villages, and what do you think, kazan was a huge city on the time where this urban population went, his they were cut out, expelled, raped, grouped perfectly, as this russian blogger wrote, who later died from the statuette, everything as we like. so, if someone thinks that he will wait here for the liberators, or simply not

the liberators, but those who will simply perceive him as a loyal citizen of the russian federation, let him not, he is creating some illusions for himself, this is not a suitcase, a train station, russia, this a suitcase, a ravine, a grave, this is the wording, don't... save yourself, a direct path to death, maybe someone will be lucky, someone, someone there will live to 85 or 90 years, cleaning up various faeces for new owners of life, if he does not die from the heat, you know, somehow it becomes hot to clean up during the day, but he will have to, but these will be single people, that is why i believe that ukrainians have no choice . because for russia, all this population that is left here,

all these 28 million, no matter what their political views are, what they want to continue the war or stop, they are disloyal, no one will play, this is absolute classic standard russian policy, always , always, remember, ot they occupied the balti. country three, what they started to do there, industrialization, well , you also take away to destroy the local population. there is nothing politically incorrect here, because we are talking about clear historical facts that are written in all possible and impossible books. please, take the history of ukraine of the 20th century, read it, you can even

open a map to ukraine, you know, here i am a long, long time ago. for the first time, when i started researching how the ethnic composition of ukraine's population changed, there are historical maps. we can take maps of the early 20th century, then take maps, the census took place in the 20s and 30s, then we take maps already in the 50s, and we see how a share, how how how a share in different cities of ukraine, some just disappear for some reason after 10-20 years , others appear. and as of 1991, when we are already taking maps, in the 1990s, we see that the russians, the soviet government, well, in fact, russia, in many regions of our country simply changed the population, everything is completely different there than it was before 40 years before that, 50

years, i am already teaching you about 70 years to 90 years, by the way, we can also talk about the ethnic map of crimea, which is now shared with the russians. for such a real russian territory, the same russian territory with ethnic russians, was created by the deportation of peoples from this territory, and this deportation took place practically from the time of catherine ii, who displaced the population of crimea from its territory, residence, and i just want to remind that at the time of being in the territory of crimea. of the first russian army, the army of catherine ii, 80% of the population of crimea was crimean tatar, 80% yes, and before the second world war, what was the population, it there were somewhere around 20-25% there were communes, and even this population was expelled, well, if

you carefully look at the history of each russian republic and see that somewhere... somewhere around 10-15-20% of the people remained in many russian republics, if you think about it, it was always like this on this territory, no, there was 70, 80%, 90%, russia always tried to completely replace these territories, and then they started to, oh, this is eternal russian land, siberia, well, i'm sorry, it was a khanate, there was a large population of its own. own civilization, they are his captured, colonized, changed the population, but they like to talk about the american indians, this is their favorite topic, and it must be said that the indians at least stayed in north or south america, and it was much worse with the peoples of siberia, where yermaki went there , all this, i mean yermaka timofievych, so that no one thinks, all

this shatia-bratiya, but just a part of our citizens. what are we saying, this is the context to agree, the context to change the flag or whatever , who believes, thinks that now it is possible to agree on the conditions of the same freeze, well, because as they say, let zelenskyy sit down, even the same bloggers, and not only bloggers, but i see that there are some people who say the same thing, let zelenskyy sit down there and go negotiate. why is he sitting here, let him sit down, let's make some concessions, let's finish, that is, they, you understand, they think that with some agreements it is possible to stop the war, preserve the conditional status quo, and, conditionally speaking, live on, but even we you have repeatedly said in this program that without real guarantees, without joining nato, a

we see that this is not just a slip-up, this is a big question, in essence... it will become such a damocles damocles sword over ukraine, and the war will simply resume, conditionally tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, after, dmytro medvedev is talking about this, if only not prykhovych, but you know, i think that these people have another problem, such people, as is correct, they still remain in the state of the soviet mentality to a certain extent, what i mean, a person, if internally he feels that he is a part of the soviet civilization , she transfers this... her mentality to political events and believes that everything depends on her, on her state, that is, she perceives ukraine as the soviet union, and by the way, this is also part of the political elite. so they still perceive that if we want something, we will certainly achieve it, we don't hold negotiations simply because we don't want to, but we should want to, but we

don't want to talk with putin now, but we should want to, he will immediately be ready to talk about anything, and he will agree on everything with us, because it is impossible not to talk to us, but the problem is that we are not the soviet union, the soviet union over there . the remaining soviet union is the russian federation, and indeed, if vladimir putin really wanted to conduct real negotiations, he would obviously find ways to conduct them, because he is the head of a nuclear power, he is somehow counted on, he is somehow feared, if he wants to sit down at the transition table, as the west says, for a constructive conversation, he will be talked to, the question is whether they will talk to us in russia, even if we want the so- called constructive... if from the point of view of the russian leadership, we are not the soviet union, but simply some small separatist territory of this soviet union, the task of which is simply to say what they say, to carry out

what they say, just some kind of ukrainian ssr, well, this is altogether strange, if i consider myself the president of the soviet union to pay attention to this union republic, well, remember lithuania in 1900 there in the 90th year. announced the restoration of its independence, and the first thing the soviet union did was to impose an economic blockade on lithuania and then deploy troops. and when, i remember, i was present at the dialogue, when one of the deputies of the verkhovna rada of the soviet union from lithuania, a member of sayudis, asked the chairman of the council of ministers of the soviet union mykola reshkov, well, how is it, if you consider us. part of the soviet union, how can you introduce economic sanctions against a part of the soviet union? well, we don't think so, but do you think, do you think, that we are part of the soviet union? mykola ivanovych

says: yes, i am sure, the lithuanian ssr is part of the soviet union, and how do you oppose you introduce economic sanctions on the citizens of the soviet union to make them live worse, and he says: well, we are punishing, we have the right, we are punishing you, we are the leadership and we know better that it is up to us, not you to decide. we, why is it worse for you not to live, if you do not obey, that is, this attitude is like children, and not citizens, and he was absolutely convinced that this is how it all works, so good children can be given candy, and bad children can be forbidden to eat candy, stop all trains with candy there or with oil or something else at the borders of this union republic, in order to understand how in this union republic without the soviet union, and you all remember... our independence before this war, the russian federation always blackmailed us with gas, you will behave badly, we will raise gas prices, even this printed solov'ov, he

sang the whole song: if you misbehave, we'll cut off your gas, well, that's not the case between sovereign states, so you have to understand from the point of view of russia, from the point of view of vladimir putin, from the point of view of russian generals, from the point of view of citizens. russian federation, from the point of view of even some of your relatives who still remained there in russia, and with whom you either communicate or do not communicate, do not know what you are doing with them, no ukraine existed, does not exist and will not exist, but even if some ukraine exists, then it must obey, and this is not putin's point of view, there are still problems, if you want such a political compensation, if i am a citizen of russia, what influence do i have, i can choose my president, no? what i can't choose for myself, no one asks me, completely different people decide what will be there, i can i can’t even elect mayors of the city, if i

choose a mayor of the city that i like, people from the investigative committee will come for him tomorrow and send him to siberia for 15 years, because why did he run for office before his father in the hell forest, what are you ? so i can't do anything, what can i do? well, i can beat my wife, it's always nice and children, so now they say that you can't pass a law about... sexual, i'm sorry, it's about domestic violence in russia, because it destroys family values, it's sexual violence by the way also like you you see, he comes in here, he can’t be accepted, russian deputies say, because it’s a family value to beat his wife, because that’s how i compensate, i’m nobody and nothing, but i can beat my wife, and it’s still a very nice compensation, even better than to beat one's wife is to conquer someone else's territory. to come there as a host on a tank, on a tank, to show what a great man i am here, i came from moscow, that in fact i have never been to moscow, i live in some

village there in the volodymyr region near moscow. well, that's all, the whole national mentality, you know look at how skillfully they organized the mobilization for the war, they initially effectively marginalized this rural population, the population of small towns, closed all social elevators, closed all the possibility of doing even small and petty business, turned people into... nothing, so it's interesting, well, listen, well, what to do, well, here is a young person, well, she lives there in the village or in some small district center there, she is 18 years old there, she will never have her own apartment in her life, she will never have her own car, seven i she cannot create normally, because she will be forced to live somewhere in a chicken coop with her parents instead, and it is necessary that the parents allow and expel the rooster and chickens from the chicken coop, no, it is not important, you know, eggs are worth more. than this

child with his wife, well, that's it, here he goes to the army, well, first of all, the salary is high, you can take a mortgage, take out a loan, build something there, buy some kind of apartment, and in the end you can even steal a couple of toilets for this apartment in ukraine, just a beautiful life begins, that is, they brought people to such an animal state, and now they are quietly being mobilized, it is not even necessary to carry out mobilization, they go there themselves, because in principle. as one member of the public chamber of the russian federation once said in 2014, when he was asked, what do you think that russians will voluntarily go to war with ukraine, he was asked on russian television, i see this program, he says, it is better to fight than to to live as people live here, and it's true, it's much better from a social point of view, well, that's all, about nato, the summit took place this week, we saw

the results, we saw the statements, we saw that security agreements were signed, unfortunately, we still do not see a clear understanding when ukraine will be in nato and it is clear whether it will be in nato . it is clear that the statements that were made, unfortunately, did not add clarity, and by the way, here is this attack, which we have already talked about in... more than half an hour, this terrible terrorist attack, it can also, in principle, be connected symbolically with the nato summit, because in fact this attack was clearly timed practically day to day before this event. mr. vitaly, here is the first question, here it can be stated that putin in this way conveyed congratulations not only to ukraine, ukrainians, but also to the whole civilized world, which is needed

at home. on his terms, and that this terror will only grow, well, i really believe that putin is absolutely sure that he will be able to kill this idea of ​​euro-atlantic integration of ukraine with such actions, but on the other hand, they say that we do not know whether we will in nato, well, the summit talks about the inevitability of the course, he simply cannot formulate it there are no political circumstances under which ukraine can become a member of nato. elections, that we may or may not become, all allies, all, even hungary, agree with the idea that ukraine will become a member of nato inevitably, but two issues need to be resolved: the war and the terms of entry. admission conditions are not so difficult to solve. war is a serious problem. so, in principle , they are telling us something different. we are told that until you end the war, you will not be a member of nato. well, you can do

that. formulate as the president formulated biden, that ukraine's victory over russia is a condition for ukraine's accession to nato, but again , let's not forget that the idea of ​​ukraine's victory over russia is also perceived differently in ukraine and in the west. for us, this is undeniably the restoration of territorial integrity by military means, in the west it is the preservation of ukrainian statehood under the conditions of the creation of political conditions for the restoration of territorial integrity in the future. and now the most important question is not this, but whether ukraine can join nato if its... territorial integrity is not restored in the coming years or decades, what should such a procedure look like? i have repeatedly said that such a procedure can look very simple, and i still adhere to it, that ukraine in the event of the end of hostilities...