in one or another modification , it is much more accurate to work at longer distances, and most importantly, if we join the club of countries that already have patriots in service, if we join the club of countries that have f-16 aircraft in service, first of all that's all, that means, well, the west just doesn't give them to us, they will be with us in the future, that's why this is such a step towards the f-16 - it's an extremely powerful step, on which, well, first of all, i as a communications officer... worked from the first days, when the campaign began for the united states of america to grant us permission to trans everything for them. aren't these expectations for these planes overstated? where can be overestimated? and i will repeat myself again, general hlubtsov said everything in the interview. of course, we will not receive the most durable modifications, of course, they will even be inferior to russian aircraft, which have long been making serious modernizations for their su-type aircraft. but

you have to start with something, these will be the first modifications, then there are certain moments of modernization, in europe there are companies that modernize f16 to better blocks, well, the best block is block 70-72, the newest in the united states of america, and i think we will go step by step until our expectations are not in vain. thank you, mr. yuriy, yuriy ignat, colonel of the armed forces. of the country, the former spokesman of the air force of the ukrainian armed forces was in touch with us. we will now talk with you about the results of the washington nato summit, because it is really a very important event, and first of all, it is the jubilee statute of the nato summit. and by and large, they not only summed up the results, but also tried to understand where the main danger is, where the main problem is. secondly, of course, ukraine was one of the main topics of this summit, and we could see how nato sets priorities

in its confrontation, on the one hand, the president of ukraine was a guest of this summit, on the other hand, the leaders of australia, new zealand, south korea, japan were invited, that is, the asian - the pacific region. now , virtually all the leading western politicians, even people who are in difficult, i would say, political relationships with each other, those who are competitors, say, joseph biden and donald trump, they recognize that the asia-pacific region has become the main center of world confrontation. russia's war against ukraine is, by and large , a peripheral conflict for the united states and other western countries, but what is happening in the pacific ocean is really serious, and that is why, by the way, many would like to put an end to it as soon as possible the russian war in ukraine, and donald trump talked about it, by the way, to focus on this main danger, and of course it would be necessary to talk about it all out loud, because nato is not just a defense alliance. for europe, it is

an alliance that includes both the countries of north america and the united states of its point of view, you can say, looking at the pacific ocean and making its own military alliances with countries like australia, like new zealand, trying to find their partners among others countries of the pacific basin, and this is what ukraine means against this background, as far as, in principle, ukraine can be in the center of attention. we will talk about it with hanna shelest, the director of study security programs of the foreign policy council, she will be with us soon will connect, hanna was alone at the summit in washington, there was such a civil delegation from ukraine, where there were politicians, where there were experts, where there were people who have been engaged in the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine for a long time, and this is also such an important moment, because nato is and the opportunity to communicate with civil society representatives. societies that

want security for their countries, because , of course, the main meaning of the north atlantic alliance is precisely security, it is precisely the need to prevent war on the territory of europe continent, on the territory of north america, on the territory of the asia-pacific region, that is, these are big and very broad ambitions, we should also be aware of this, because when we talk about the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine, then... of course, in this situation, we always return to our own problems, and we forget that nato is not only a right to security, but it is a duty, a duty, in particular to help restore such a real security in the asia-pacific region, we do not know to what level they will reach here conflicts, we don't know how the relationship between the united states and the people's republic of china will look in the future, it is really that serious. problem, one way or another, we see

that this declaration of the nato summit for the first time in the history of the alliance contains quite serious points related to the definition. chinese danger, and china was accused for the first time of the fact that it is this country with its help that contributes to the development of the military-technical complex of the russian federation, the military-industrial complex of the russian federation, so let's not forget that if ukraine will become a member of nato, it will not only protect us from russia, but we will even have to make joint decisions to protect the interests of nato countries in the asian-texas region. region is also a very important point that needs to be mentioned here, and i think that we all understand it perfectly well, that this situation is a challenge for ukraine in the future, because we do not know the intensity of this

conflict again, by the way, it will be largely depend on the intensity of the conflict between russia and ukraine, on the fact that when this war ends in the 20s and 30s, how will it end, will the russian federation manage to impose its vision, its role on the world, or will it have to abandon these positions? let's ask ms. hanna, and first of all, how did this anniversary summit look, congratulations, good evening, so the nato summit, here are your main conclusions, ms. hanna? well, i think that the conclusions should be divided into two parts: conclusions for the alliance itself and conclusions for ukraine. for ukraine. it's easier to make snowballs in a certain way, because it turned out better than what we expected in a way, but certainly much worse than we would have liked, and because until the last day, although the declaration was prepared very carefully and in advance, but until the last day there were debates

about several phrases that for us, well, maybe someone considers them just a linguistic balancing act, but in fact they are very important, this irreversible path to nato. it is extremely important for ukraine, why? because the last few months in the same washington very often sounded: and maybe everything after all, it would be best for ukraine if membership in nato were to be left as such a certain card in the future negotiations with the russian federation, and we perfectly understand that this would play into the hands of the russian federation. what still succeeded was that those who believed in the future membership of ukraine in nato, left this phrase. and strengthen not just the euro-atlantic integration, but specifically the phrase about ukraine's membership in the alliance. i think that in the future we will still feel the positive effects of this work. if we talk about the alliance itself, then in in principle, everyone at the end of it was in washington, that's who i had to talk to,

i was there during the alliance, everyone called it alliances, under the auspices of the elections, because it was clear that all the allies were first of all... but what worries me is what will happen with the alliance if biden does not win, is biden capable of winning, and in general, what can happen to american politics, how will it affect the future of transatlantic security? and tell me something about the fact that they spoke so harshly about china at this summit, can this also be called a historical event? i would say yes this is a very big step forward, and let's be frank, but a few years ago, when the madrid... not just a declaration, but a strategic concept, a document that the alliance adopts once every 10 years, was adopted, for the first time china sounded like not yet a threat, but already with problematic connotations, but until today, before this summit, the russian threat and

the chinese threat were separated in us, last year's vilnius declaration understood that china is a hybrid threat there, taiwan is there for the indo-pacific region, but never ... no there was a connection, this declaration and the statements we heard during the summit, very clearly not just to emphasize the role of the destructive pickin, it would just be logical there, probably within the framework of some statements, and also tied china to the russian federation to its aggression against ukraine and emphasized that without china there could not be certain successes for moscow either, and this is exactly what, as we later saw in the statements from official beijing, the most... angered china, in principle, you talked about that , about this summit declaration, by and large, does it mean for ukraine that we have some such promising hopelessness? well

, after all, the mood there was such that everyone wanted to believe in the best, and i would say in a certain way that on the one hand there was great disappointment, and especially at the expert level, at the level of... and former military personnel, and we had to hear that they said, well, we didn't succeed, and everyone called it very clearly the first time, even though everyone knew before that who was to blame, that this was the decision of washington and berlin. but hey, the freedmen still cried out not to call them out loud, here it is already absolutely clear said that it was the decision of the white house and the current office in berlin, that they were afraid of escalation, and that is why they were not ready to put a phrase about membership, but on the other hand, the mood was already very different from vilnius, when they spoke with representatives of any -what other countries, even the french, whom before that we enrolled in... to the germans and americans in the camp of skeptics, yes, here even the french

said no, if the alliance wants to ensure the security of ukraine, if we want to stop this war , we must finally give very clearly ukraine has a perspective, any additional structures are important, this is a step forward, but delaying, it is like delaying the provision of certain types of weapons to ukraine, although, let's be frank, at the strategic level, from expert... to diplomatic , there are still discussions constantly until now, especially in washington, about the fact that if ukraine is given this perspective now, it will help ukraine in security, that is, it will be so certain, even non-defensive, no one is talking about the fifth article, yes, about collective defense, but about deterrence, or it will be a deterrent effect for the russian federation, will it actually be tantamount to the use of nuclear weapons, that is, what will the russian federation say after that, what do i have to lose and will be able to provoke a specific nato member country, so this fear, it cannot be

call it irrational, because the actions of the russian federation are constantly irrational, but this fear is very seriously followed in many discussions in high offices in washington. well, what position do you think will win in the end? should we wait for the presidential elections? well, presidential the elections are 100% worth waiting for. and it was also , you know, an elephant in the kitchen, that is , it was visible to everyone, it was impossible to hide it, and that everyone had expectations, including the american delegations, and we were in washington a month ago, we met with many only by experts, and everyone kept saying, we'd like to plan something after november, but this is the first election where we 're afraid to plan too much, other than the daily work, yeah. how can they help ukraine, namely because if trump wins, we simply do not understand which one

will be his policy towards ukraine. if we talk about how the russian threat is treated in nato at the moment, we can say that it still takes a back seat compared to china, have you noticed that? no, you know, it was very clearly visible last year, and it was visible very strongly in madrid, in ville'. it was still felt, especially for the europeans, no, for the europeans, after all , russia was already in the first place, and for the americans, and sullivan emphasized this very clearly, he constantly emphasized, he said that china is a greater threat than russia federation, china has more potential, capabilities in the event of a direct conflict, china is more ready for provocation, and russia is more of a regional problem, but this concerns our allies, and this year... after all, there is a clear understanding that the russian federation has become a general problem

of the entire alliance, not only the baltic countries or ukraine, and the actions of the russian federation, its willingness to escalate and use any force and use more and more provocations directly against nato member countries, and of course it is a lot. well, how to say, they sounded louder, more specific. because, for example, they began to constantly talk not only about the standard actions of the russian federation there in the information sphere or in the cyber sphere, whether there is bribery of politicians in european countries, for example, they spoke very frankly and accused the russian federation of terrorist activities, of those murders that they are now against various politicians, or those engaged in the production of weapons, or those explosions that were in nîmes. in the czech republic, in several other countries on productions that are involved in the production

of weapons, all this was openly called terrorist acts, attributed to the russian federation, and it was said that, unfortunately, the russian federation is expanding the list of actions that it is ready to use against european countries. i understand that georgia was not mentioned at this nato summit, it is no longer a real candidate for the alliance from the point of view of nato members. you know, this is really the first declaration in which georgia is mentioned only once, together with moldova in the phrase that the russian the federation is obliged to withdraw troops from from the occupied territories of georgia and moldova. first of all, there is no separate paragraph regarding georgia, regarding its euro-atlantic integration, and one cannot say that the door is closed here. rather, it is related to the actions of the georgian authorities, and it is included in the list of actions that took place in the last month. we had very clear and sharp statements from the european union,

we had the suspension of aid from a number of european countries and from the european union. we had the withdrawal of the military. annual exercises between the usa and georgia, and the summit took place yet with one such demonstrative step, roughly speaking, the georgian government, we warn you, and this despite the fact that the representatives of georgia were at the summit, that until the last moment it was not clear whether they would come or not, but even no statements were heard. moldova, which is neutral, sounded much brighter during this summit than georgia. thank you . we will break for just a few minutes, but you stay with us, there are still important conversations ahead, the premium sponsor of the national team represents

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the politklu program on the spress tv channel, of course, the main event of the day: the assassination attempt on the former american president donald trump. who is now fighting to return to the white house, and we have professor igor eisenberg of new york university on the phone, congratulations mr. igor, congratulations to you, mr. vitaly, greetings to all the viewers of the channel. well, what is this was there at all, do you understand? well, it was an assassination attempt, it is now clear that it really was an assassination attempt, and i would say that trump, born a second time, because if that bullet had flown somewhere less than a centimeter along... a different trajectory, then there were would, there would be dire consequences. why are there so many conspiracy theories? some say that it was staged by trump himself. in order to increase their influence, so to speak, in the election campaign, others

say that they wanted to remove trump, republicans, even some. politicians blame democracy for creating it the atmosphere in the country and the demonization of trump, why instead of somehow uniting, and by the way, donald trump himself is talking about this? such, how to say it, such, such a triumph of conspiracy theory? i think that there are two factors here, one factor is, unfortunately, a factor that is present all over the world, very many people. i would say hundreds of millions of people, they rather want to believe what they are comfortable believing, what they want to believe, so any conspiracy theories find supporters very quickly, very easily spread, just because of the internet, and it's easy to spread anything,

it's easy to spread information, it's easy to spread any conspiracy theory, and people think that any... conspiracy theory is more important than the facts, so if the facts contradict the conspiracy theory , so the fact, the facts are wrong, that's one factor, there are just a lot of people for whom any simple explanations of complex things like that are convenient, and the second factor, well, you just mentioned it, is the political struggle that in the united states, here she is is so over fierce, it... is already spilling over into violence, and well, that’s what they say, there, let’s say, senator wentz is one of trump’s candidates for the position of vice president, he is with... with biden, that biden is making a monster out of trump, and that’s because of rhetoric biden, well, other republicans are doing the same thing there, although trump himself called for unity, called for unity, like his

wife, they also made an appeal, they called for rising above these contradictions, over violence, called for unity, badass joe biden , addressing americans on television yesterday. he condemned this one for this violence, condemned the attempt on trump and called for unity, he spoke with trump, yesterday, called him, and now when you and i are on the air, somewhere it seems that right now joe biden should again speak on television with an appeal to the americans already for the second time in the last day, and tell me, mr. igor, why are many people starting to say that this attempt was decided by the presidential... election and that now that it happened, trump is doomed to victory, it is completely incomprehensible to me, to be honest , me too it is not clear, i saw, in particular, in the ukrainian

segment of facebook this morning at american time, even some people write, well, everything is decided, this is absolutely not true, because the struggle will continue, it can be tougher, and it will be tougher, for sure, than there was, but it is absolutely, absolutely... nothing is wrong, people will sympathize with trump, his supporters, but the fact is that those who adore him will adore him and will continue to adore him, even more as a martyr, and even more, well, don't look, it hardly works the fight for the votes of non-party voters, well, people, people in general have empathy for normal people, this is it, if a normal person just looks at what, in this case, trump with... he has blood on his ear, blood on everything, what, what he miraculously remained alive after this attempt, well , of course, ordinary people with absolutely

no political views can have such empathy at the moment, but what will happen in november, no one knows, we all have to live until november , and a lot of things can change in the world, change in america, so it won't determine how people will vote absolutely. it's just amazing to me that every time something happens, everyone immediately says, oh, that's it, that's it, that's it, you can't do anything anymore, those were the comments after that first debate, now after this assassination attempt, of course if trump really seriously injured or not, he wouldn't have died, you could say he was definitely doomed to win, but trump is alive and fortunately almost healthy, yes, he, he is fortunately, indeed, he is healthy, i... without being , not being an absolute political supporter of trump, i cannot wish him anything bad to happen, absolutely, and i do not wish it to anyone, except that putin is

a person, the only person in the world, to whom we probably all wish one and the same, but there will be a pre-election struggle, it will continue, as the debate did not actually change anything in the situation in the pre-election struggle, so it is unlikely that anything will change, after the debate, if you look at the polls in the swing states, where it will be decided the fate of the elections, well they were there when the fluctuations were plus or minus 1% back and forth, so they remain, and taking into account the statistical error of these polls, the chances of biden and trump winning were 50 to 50 and remain 50 to 50 in those states , where the fate of the election will be decided, it is a maximum of six or seven states, the main of which is pennsylvania, where trump is. yesterday , it was no coincidence that he spoke in michigan, where biden spoke on friday , and it was no coincidence that wisconsinites, well, these three

states, they play a special role, because let's say, for biden, in order to become president, he must win these three states, but tell mr. igor, we can in principle say that there will be no replacement of the candidate from the democratic party and that this situation is already somehow. .. stabilized after this famous debate? i think it probably won't, it's much more likely that it won't because joe biden, he, well he spoke in michigan on friday, he absolutely said he's staying, he's going to fight, what he thinks absolutely for it is necessary to win this election and to continue doing what he is doing, he warned that trump's victory would be dangerous for the country and and... he is absolutely invisible to the world that he had any doubts and left the election, i would, you know, i would also say that, well, i am

from a different perspective... as for the fact that biden should withdraw from the election, well, especially, for example, the cnn channel, he almost did not say anything about the nato summit or about what's going on in the world for two weeks after this debate on cnn very, well, i would said, more than 80% of his ether, american. he used to discuss the fact that biden is old and so on and so forth. the thing is, this situation is actually a lot simpler than it seems, because if we assume that biden rigged the election, there is only one person who could be a candidate like that, who could use the money raised by the biden campaign, and that is only kamala karis, because they collected this money as if together, because they go in

pairs, any other. the candidate would have to start the election campaign from scratch, in in the literal sense, financially, without money it is impossible to conduct an election campaign in the united states, imagine how much political television advertising costs, how much it costs to organize such rallies as trump organized yesterday, and the day before yesterday biden, huge money is needed to have campaign headquarters in each state, and simply any other democratic candidate in the time remaining before the election, will not have time to collect. no money, no, no, i won't have time for anything, this, i would say that it was just a fluke would help trump, kamela harris herself, she has stated repeatedly during these two weeks that she remains a candidate for vice president, she is going with joe biden, she supports him, she is absolutely not going to respond to these proposals that biden should withdraw from the election,

tell me. mr. igor, in principle, if we talk about the further course of events, here is the fact that senator bernie sanders supported biden and called on all american democrats in the broad sense of the word, not only supporters of the democratic party, to unite the way the unification was happening in france to fight back against trump, how important is it for the democratic, this is the voice of bernie sanders, the leader of the left forces of the democratic party, it's really important, and bernie sanders, i read this article of his in the new york times yesterday, he listed on half a page of his newspaper, where he does not agree with biden, but i do not agree with this, with that, with that, with that, but i supported him, i support him, i will support him, i call on everyone to support him, the same , by the way, another leader of the left wing did

democratic. of the party, oleksandria kaziva cortez, a congresswoman who told television reporters, just publicly, very, very firmly, that she supports biden, and calls for an end to all this talk about biden getting out of the race. it's important because the left wing of the democratic party, even though it's not the majority in the democratic party, but it's so, you know, it's very, very loud to always be heard, and it's important to... for the democratic party to be, because those, because the voters of the democratic party, that they were united around, around the idea of ​​supporting a single candidate, so that this struggle would be stopped. the fact is that joe biden has enough, well, i can say that, haters, you can say that, well , people who do not like him, he has been present in political life for a very long time, there are people who envy him, there are people, who don't accept him there,

and let's say when... he was there in fourth place, it seems everywhere, or even somewhere in fifth place, i don't remember now, but he was nowhere even in third place, but in the end, all the democratic candidates who fought against him, they understood that he was then was the only person ... was capable of defeating trump, let's not forget that trump was the current president of the united states at the time, and one by one they withdrew their candidacy, called for support for biden, and this really contributed to the fact that the democratic voters united, and that , what happened after the debate, well, such a trend, it, you know, disappoints many people, does not contribute to the fact that people are active, so that she can hide something.