perceived, and let's say when biden just started running for president in '20, in the first four states that had primaries, he lost those primaries, he was in fourth place there, it seems like everywhere, or even somewhere in the fifth, i don't remember now, but he wasn't even in the third, but at the end of the day , all the democratic candidates who fought with him, they realized that he... was then the only person who was able to defeat trump, let's not forget that trump was the current president of the united states at the time, and they are one after the other announced their candidacy, called for support for biden, and it really helped to unite democratic voters, and what happened after the debate, well, this trend, you know, it disappoints a lot of people, it does not help people to be active, so that simply she can contribute... because

then people will not come to the elections and will not vote, and this, that would be very bad, but the journalists of the new york times or cnn, or the economist, they should be aware of this , they are not the first day engaged in american politics, i think they have, frankly, for example, i have the position of journalists like thomas friedman, like david remnia, the editor-in-chief of the new yorker, like the position of many cnn anchors, it surprised me because, well, because ... you can not like biden , and biden really did a very bad debate, there can be no doubt about that, but we have to talk about not only that biden made a mistake there, that biden, biden said something, that something else, you have to discuss, what will be the consequences if biden withdraws from the election race what will be the consequences of what trump will win, well, for example, the published project of the platform... heritage foundation, this is

such an ideological headquarters of the republican party, called the 2025 project, from which trump, by the way, disowns himself, that it has nothing to do with him, but it is a 995- page project the construction of such a very right-wing authoritarian regime in america, it's just that there is a ban, a ban on abortions, restrictions, restrictions. contraceptives, access to contraceptives, dismissal of all diplomats, all professional employees of the state department on the very first day of the new the presidency, the firing of all other professional civil servants, civil servants, that is, the direct reporting of the federal prosecutor's office to the president, so that the president can appoint special prosecutors and investigate anything that he wants to ... and so on and so forth, this is

very little discussed, in fact, it is necessary to discuss political programs, as it seems to me, there is no point in discussing personalities, because with personalities everything is more or less clear, it is necessary to discuss the programs themselves, and the elections, they said, it seems it seems even today on his youtube channel, or the other day, that these elections are in the big picture. in the sense of a referendum on whether or not donald trump can lead the country, i totally agree with you because, because who is going to be the democratic nominee, it doesn't matter in that case, and it really does, because it's the choice between where america will go, whether it will build this far-right authoritarian state, and among other things in this project 2020. it is supposed

that america should withdraw its troops from of europe and only provide assistance with nuclear weapons to european nato countries, if necessary, and european nato countries must defend themselves against possible russian aggression, it is written there simply in black and white, so whether america will be like this, whether america will be different, or will she be in favor of remaining the leader of the free world, the choice is between these two platforms, not wrong, it is important who represents them, just another thing is that trump is very popular, he has become such an icon among several tens of millions of people , who believe in him almost like in god, and therefore his voters, unity among them is guaranteed to him, that is, they will all come to the elections, but such discussions in the liberal political camp, which are currently taking place, they do not contribute to the unity of the camp, therefore what new york wrote times saners, what was stated by... oleksandra i is important

in order to ensure the unity of the liberal forces in the run-up to these elections. well , in this way, we can talk about the fact that this is just today. story, it may not be such an important part in a week of this election campaign, how did the debate cease to be such an important part of the election campaign, that we are simply witnessing such a tough election campaign, maybe unprecedented tough, i agree with you, and on and on, on and on, we will witness many more things that will be delusional what happened yesterday, what happened the day before yesterday, that is, it will really be very tough. the fight, it is tough and it will continue to be tough, it is a fight between these two worldviews, which are very difficult to combine one with one, unfortunately, this struggle is beginning to spill over into what we saw yesterday, this is of course, that this is absolutely unacceptable, i

agree 100 times with everyone who publicly condemned this attempt, this is absolutely unacceptable in a civilized country, in the civilized world. thank you, thank you, mr. igor, igor aydzme, a professor at new york university, we were in touch, we talked with him about what was happening in the united states at that time, the main event of the day, which is written about by all the world's media, this is a situation related to the assassination attempt on donald trump, and obviously this is such an important story. political, which will be talked about for a long time, about the circumstances of this story, about what happened, now you and i will move to another country, to poland, the people of ukraine are with us mykola knyazhytskyi, co-leader of the group on inter-parliamentary relations with the republic

of poland , congratulations, congratulations, well, so, the polish diet recognized the crimean tatar departments of 1944 as genocide, what is the political significance of this decision today? well , actually, first of all, it has more historical significance, because i remember when in 2015 year, i don't know if you can hear me now, yes, hear, uh, it was a great honor for me to be the author of this resolution, when we recognized the deportation of genocide, we were simply restoring historical justice, because if we want from the world ... recognition of genocide famine, then obviously we cannot turn a blind eye to the genocide of our compatriots, ukrainians of crimean tatar origin, and the fact that the whole world now supports it is very important, the whole world is starting to support it, because lithuania and latvia have already supported it, canada, now

here is poland, and we will ensure that this support continues, of course, this is also important for our future, because when we say whose crimea is ours, we answer that crimea is ours. so the question is, is he ours? of course, crimea is ukrainian, but crimea is also crimean-tatar, because these are the roots of the population, the roots of the people of crimea, who do not see themselves as separate from ukraine, who have a huge history, a common history with us, which was simple and not very, we were allies, and were enemies, but we fought together against today's aggressor, who is one of us is now destroying, and the crimean-tatar people already have... well, today, we just have to think about the fate of these people who were resettled in the 44th year to central asia, to central asia, to other countries that lost more than half of their the population that is currently being bullied by the occupier, and when we talk about the future of crimea,

it seems to me that ensuring the rights of this people is one of the most important principles and ways to convince the world to support us even more strongly in the de-occupation of crimea, and the de-occupation of crimea is a plan and zelensky, when we talk about ukraine in within the borders of the 91st year, this is what the whole world is talking about now, and this is what should happen from the point of view of justice, not the violation of borders in relation to us, ukrainians, but also from the point of view of justice in relation to crimean tatar people. now a lot of people talked about the agreement that was signed, the agreement on the security guarantee, about the non- security guarantee, the security agreement between ukraine and poland. and they talked about the fact that there is a moment in this agreement that allows poland to destroy russian missiles, as if even in the ukrainian sky, which they fly in the direction of poland, well, now we have a refutation, are we relying too much on the texts of these

documents, no, we do not have a refutation, we have an objection from stoltenberg, who says that this may pose a certain threat to nato. but this is not a refutation, poland wants it, and poland even now, after signing the agreement and stoltenberg's words, says that it will try to convince us. nato to help ukraine by shooting down missiles and drones on the territory of ukraine. it is extremely important for us. this agreement provides an opportunity to do so in the future. so much of what we promise now actually manifests for us in the future. we used to talk about patriots as something unattainable. then about the f-16. now it is written in the agreement, this norm is written in the agreement. and it is obvious that, firstly, it is extremely important, and secondly, it is possible. will implement, and if there is such a need, it will definitely be implemented by nato countries in the future. to what extent, in

principle, can we now talk about the fact that poland can take a special position in its relations with ukraine regarding this war. they talked, they talked, let's say, about the creation of the so-called ukrainian legion in poland, the minister of foreign affairs of poland, mr. sekorskyi already says that there are people who are ready to join this ukrainian region, the same no more... none of the nato countries do , however, do not form such legions on their territory? well, i think that they will form, it is an initiative of the ukrainian side, the ukrainians turned to the poles because there really are a lot of ukrainians here, and simply the poles contribute to this ukraine, now we will connect again and... we know what this ukrainian legion looks like in poland, what are

the procedures for its creation, how do people join there, because it is such an interesting initiative, of course, which is itself aimed at ukrainian citizens, which are now on the territory of nato countries, on the territory of the european union countries, countries that are known to finance ukrainian opportunities, finance participation. their own in helping ukraine, because they also give money, as you know, is the military-industrial complex's own of the complex, which, on the order of their governments , make weapons for ukraine, and of course, it is very important for these countries to see that ukrainians actively want to participate in the defense of their own country, that the money of western taxpayers... this is not just some conditionally speaking, the desire is not just some

kind of ritualistic procedure, but that it really corresponds to the request of the ukrainian society to protect its country, this is a very important moment, as we perfectly understand, and in this situation you and i must also realize how important the moment is , primarily related to ukraine's cooperation with poland, and cooperation. countries with the baltic countries, as well as neighboring countries, firstly, and secondly, we need to know what this situation looks like, of course, precisely from the point of view of the neighboring countries, because these countries, unlike the countries of the west there, unlike countries of western europe, unlike the countries of southern europe, they have their own experience of coexistence or existence in the soviet empire, in the russian empire, and part. poland, the baltic countries, they were part of the russian empire, later, like us we know, there the baltic countries were occupied

by the soviet union in 1940, and poland became part of the so-called socialist camp, and therefore they have a clear understanding of what they are dealing with when it comes to moscow, and to what extent moscow understands any there is the language of common sense, and as far as the language of power is respected, all this. such is their very important experience, and it is absolutely obvious, it seems to me that we now perceive these states as the most serious lobbyists of our interests in the european union, in nato, despite on any polemic there on historical issues, on economic issues, how much have we talked about these economic issues with poland and we understand that... the european integration of ukraine will naturally take place in such discussions that poland, its society and government

will protect one's own economic interests, by and large, this can all take additional time, even with the european integration of ukraine, and this must also be understood, of course, but along with this, there is an awareness, if you will, an awareness of this understanding of the situation, it is there. and precisely this understanding we need to take advantage of the situation, because we see that public opinion is directed precisely in neighboring countries. in support of ukraine, that there is a large part of society in neighboring countries that understands all the dangers of moscow, even in those countries whose governments, as you know, quite often conduct pro-russian policies, we often talk here about the role of the prime minister of hungary viktor orban, who recently visited not only

kyiv, but also moscow, beijing, by the way , met with... in the united states with donald trump, who was the main character of our conversation just a few minutes ago, and of course, all this is about ukraine agreeing to the russian terms for the end of the war, we understand this perfectly, but at the same time, on the day when orbán met with trump there, the leader of the hungarian opposition of the tisza party, peter madzira, who is considered the main opposition figure in hungary, he came to kyiv just in time. to express the support of the ukrainian people on behalf of the hungarian society, a huge part of the leading hungarian politicians there, the mayor of budapest always express solidarity with ukraine, that is, it cannot be said that orban in his policy of orientation towards putin, that he is expressing the position of the whole, even hungarian

society, no, it is not so, the same applies to slovakia, we saw that when the change of power in slovakia... the current prime minister of slovakia, robert fitza, was such a supporter of reducing aid to ukraine, but no, this is not the opinion of the entire slovak society, this is the opinion of only a part of the part that just won the parliamentary and presidential elections today election. so, mr. mykola, let's go back to the history of the ukrainian legions and the prospects of such formations. the ukrainian legion is, as i said, an initiative of the ukrainian side, and that of the poles. they help him, it is certainly good, because there are a lot of men in poland who are afraid to return to ukraine for one reason or another, but would like to protect ukraine, this is a certain guarantee for them that they will be in such a joint, own community , and that's why they sign up there, the same thing, i think will be in other countries that will allow to create such regions and teach ukrainians, and then these

ukrainians will one way or another come to fight in ukraine, well, that is, if they will... will they wish or how should it look like? you need to ask the ministry of defense, but there is no other point in training and training ukrainians abroad in parts of the ukrainian army if they will not defend ukraine, right? well, obviously, yes, i understand that. and what do polish-ukrainian relations look like today with this new government of donald tusk, can we talk about any significant changes, or rather the continuation of the policy? which is not, there are definitely changes. maybe they are not as fast as before, there were advantages in the previous pis government, because when the full-scale invasion just started, we remember that the polish government supported us, accepted a lot of ukrainians, then in the pre-election period , border blockades began, and confederation began, but peace did nothing, trying to put

future responsibility for what happens on the future tusk government. it was difficult for tusk's government. figure it out, now he will be key in our admission to the european union, because poland, together with germany, france, are actually becoming pillars of the european union, especially when we, well , we cannot predict what will happen in the united states of america, and great britain, after the change of government, supports the european union in great britain, special relations with poland as well, the role of poland in the eu will be very large, and therefore tusk will help us in the defense sphere, but in the economic sphere they can help us. problems, and of course there are various provocateurs, for example, when they voted on the question of recognizing the resettlement of the crimean tatars as genocide, both the coalition and the opposition, the largest opposition peace , supported this decision, they all voted for it, but the confederation party, for example, showed its completely pro-russian face

and all voted against, so that these pro-russian forces inside poland, of course we still... hear about their existence, especially since the confederation entered the european union, formed a joint party group with an alternative to germany, which orbán's supporters did not even accept, so of course there will be problems in polish society, but we must say that in general polish society supports ukraine, will support it in the european union, the largest political parties will support ukraine, we need to be friends with poland, but agree on... economic cooperation in the eu defending our own interests, and here problems will arise. well , in fact, these same problems have not been resolved to this day, we see how from time to time the borders are blocked again, time and time again. from time to time will present certain ones again claims of an economic nature to the export of ukrainian products through poland, i am not saying, even to poland. well, yes, there is an embargo,

that's all, and, oddly enough, in the situation of these debates, the ukrainian side is right, because if we limit our right to be in the european union, or to accept us there with various quotas, then... the question arises , why is it the european union for ukraine at all, but at the same time poland is definitely our biggest ally in the defense sphere, and given that the defense policy of the european union will to grow, here poland will support ukraine and do it, almost the most of all the other countries in the european union, so there is a lot of negotiation and work to be done with the poles, and i hope that it will be so, but the visit of the ukrainian group begins the day after tomorrow parliamentarians which cooperates with polish parliamentarians, this is the first such visit to poland after the elections, we will have a lot of important meetings with the leadership of the government, parliament, commissions,

and ministries, so that at all levels , both parliamentary and governmental, on there should be cooperation in the presidential office, and we are working for it. and tell me, please, in principle, we can now talk about the fact that the societies of the central countries of central europe are already tired of this war. is it different from what we see in, say, the west and the south of europe? well, we lost contact again, and this is also an important topic, because of course, support for ukraine depends on public support, and that is very important. important for understanding what is the interest of allies, and mr. mykola, please, i don't know if you can hear me now, the connection disappeared during our conversation, i started the beginning of your question, is

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do with a parliament in which no one has a majority. there is complete chaos, in my opinion, france is beginning an era, probably the most unstable politically in the last 10 years to be exact. macron has a feeling that he is a little detached from reality and he could not accept the results of these elections for a long time. first, he was silent for a long time, relatively long. we found out the results last sunday, the president addressed the... narrowed it down only on wednesday and didn't make it a televised address like usually, wrote a letter which was then published in the press, and in this letter he says that no party won, that is a fact, but he also implies that the government should be formed by republican forces, and by this he, well actually points to the unconquered, this is the ultra-right ultra,

sorry... the left-wing party that belongs to the alliance of left forces, and it is an integral part of it, because they won the most seats, like the ultra-left, the ultra-left party within this alliance , and macron in his letter actually rejects the possibility of their participation in the future government, and this is a very big problem, because in fact france finds itself in a situation where there is really no one to lead, no party... has this magic number of 289 seats, and therefore france has weeks, if not months, of such very serious problems ahead of it , well, first the french will go on vacation, but from september , serious parliamentary battles will begin in the parliament, and it may simply end with the fact that no laws will be passed in the country, the country will not function, this is the scenario we are approaching now, and... in

in principle, how will this situation develop in the non-functioning of the country, that is, there will be no government, who will rule the country then? the scenario is as follows: now, in any case , the national assembly must be up and running by july 18, july 18 is the first, the first plenary meeting of the new assembly, at which the president of the national assembly must be elected, and from this date the moment when france needs a government is counted. it seems that they have two weeks to form the first proposal, and the olympics are starting in the country, so this is also a very specific moment to postpone forming a government for september or august is quite difficult, so you need to decide quickly, and the calendar now is that the alliance of left forces that came as a result of the race is still the first, even if they do not have an absolute majority, they have 18. ..

52 deputies, this is the least, if not, the largest number, they have to propose to macron, a person for the post of prime minister. so far , neither the left can agree among themselves, nor does macron express much enthusiasm for the next prime minister to be someone from left forces the second scenario is if macron decides, macron has 168 seats in the parliament, his power. the republicans have 45, he can unite with the republicans, they will not have the magic number 289 either, but it will be more than in the left alliance, it is technically possible to do this and make a macron government together with the republicans, but the legitimacy of this government, if you imagine ministers from republicans, in which there are only 45 seats, well, this is a very illegitimate government, because , well, the french voters obviously gave a shit.

the republicans were told: here are 45 seats for you, that's it times less than it was before, so if this is not the case either, well, such a scenario is quite specific, so macron is waiting, he is waiting for proposals from the left forces, and they are quarreling among themselves according to the french tradition, and they cannot offer a name yet, well, that is, i understand that the leftists were able to unite among themselves only in order to stop the far-right, that's all, their understanding ended, absolutely, and the most problematic... part of this alliance , after all, remains the unconquered, this is zhanaluk's party mélenchon, who is in france he is considered a radical left-wing politician by his statements, by his ideology, by his, well, traditional-historical interests and closeness to venezuela, closeness to putin, this is quite such an odious figure, which in france causes a lot of emotions and very little compromise , and

precisely... the role of the unconquered in the left alliance.