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to ukraine, congratulations to you, glory to the heroes, good day, well, i wanted to talk about the american vice president and the fact that they didn't let the fifth president of ukraine, petro poroshenko, yes, to the united states, well, but here came news that just blew the roof off. so, putin’s sobbed, and medvedchuk wrote a letter, and already the russian publication tas, once it was called the telegraph agency of the soviet union, already published it, and they say that there is a ukrainian trace, so to speak, in an attempt on trump , here i quote: i think that there will be a ukrainian trail in the case of an attempt on you, and medvedchuk is extremely active ukraine, our government and so on, mr. ivan, how seriously can such things be taken in the united states? well, we

understand that this is really posipaka of the kremlin, who systematically worked for the kremlin for many years, being inside the ukrainian power machine, and therefore i really hope that such nonsense, they definitely should not receive any serious publicity and attention in united states of america. mr. ivan, look, we would like to discuss with you the actual situation that happened recently bans on the departure of deputies from european solidarity, what exactly was the matter, could you please put our viewers in the context of all this, yes, because people may not understand what it is about, i think it is worth adding the context and actually to understand what happened, well, first of all, i think. that our citizens of ukraine perfectly

understand how important it is for us to support our partners and how important it is to use any international platforms for lobbying the interests of ukraine, for advocating those of our most urgent needs, which today exist both in the military and in all civilian citizens of ukraine, and in order for us to be able to count on the transition from the strategic ... defeat of ukraine to the strategy of the victory of ukraine, and in this regard, the role of the united states of america is very important , the delegation of european solidarity, which consisted of petro poroshenko, myself, iryna gerashchenko and maria yeonova, we received an invitation to the republican convention, that is , to this very largest gathering of the republican party, which is currently taking place in umil. years in the united states

america, where mr. trump and mr. vance were nominated as presidential candidates and vice presidents. of the united states, where, well , the entire republican cohort is gathered today, and where both today and tomorrow are a few days, and until thursday this convention will take place, where there was an opportunity to talk about ours and to convince colleagues from the republican party, to convince that and that this is our common interest and how critically their help will affect both ukraine. well, and on the european order in general and the european one stability and peace and, in fact, their security in the same situation in the united states of america itself, but unfortunately, the speaker of the parliament stefanchuk once again, and i emphasize once again

, blocked the trip of european solidarity deputies directly to the united states of america, not giving permission for this business trip, and i... why was this done for the sake of those five managers of the bank who decided that by monopolizing the entire international, international tracks of relations, that they can achieve all the needs for ukraine there on their own, but you and i definitely have to realize that if they help us as a democratic country, as a country that is applying for membership in nato, for membership in the european union, then only, well, speaking of the fact that... that we have the sweetness of democracy there, that does not put anyone in the mouth it does not get sweet, and we must understand that our partners see all this, and as in december, when ukraine suffered from the fact that congress did not make a decision regarding

the next aid package for ukraine, this large financial package that was adopted as early as may, or at the end april, and this entire process was unblocked. at the same time, at the invitation of the international international democratic union, which is the platform of the conservative right-wing parties of the world, we were also not released to the united states in this composition, by the way, this happened exactly when the servants went on a trip to all the states and it is obvious that they arrived they went empty-handed, by the way, at the expense of the state budget, and neither in the first nor in the second case did we count on state budget funds, which is also important, because our partners were ready to support this presence of ours, i believe that in this way we, well, the leadership of the verkhovna rada is sawing in the tree on which

ukraine is sitting, you know, because these things do not go unnoticed by the united states of america, for other partners who, in fact... i think that more and more loudly they will impose strict conditions on ukraine regarding the return to democratic norms, to the balance of power, to compliance with the law, because i want to remind you that the law of ukraine provides that even no in wartime, not in times of emergency, and in no way can obstacles be created for the activities of a people's deputy, whether in ukraine or abroad, and what is happening today is precisely the creation of obstacles for the activities of a people's deputy and failure to use the opportunities of the entire parliament in order to promote the interests of ukraine. i believe that this is the kind of short-sightedness, obligation and outright mischief that

both the speaker and bankova are using today. mrs. ivanna, look, you have outlined an extremely serious danger, and perhaps it's just, i don't know, in some or other... the offices listed above have not yet fully realized it, that is, the american election campaign, it will not just be tough or cruel, the ukrainian issue will be actively used there, and so will the new vice president, in fact the right-hand man and a certain, so to speak, symbol of the presidential campaign and possibly the further administration of trump, jaydee vance, but he has been saying for years that ukraine is so-so, that we are almost... not leaders in corruption and so on and so on further, we understand that it is the ukrainian question now will stand at the head of that election table, so we must be very, very extremely careful, how should we behave?

we need to be careful, we need to be responsible, but at the same time we need to maximize our understanding of ukrainian interests, this is critically important. we interact with many colleagues, we communicate, we are grateful to them for those things that... well , for their position and for their advocacy of the same aid package, for their awareness of the commonality of our security interests, both of ukraine and the united states of america, but we also understand that the 114 votes of republicans who abstained from the decision, from supporting the decision regarding ukraine, in the congress, which is currently in the house of representatives, where there is a majority of republicans, is... well, a very serious bell for ukraine, and unfortunately, our needs don't

end in 2024 or the beginning of 2025, our needs will grow and continue and we need this help beyond the united states of america and we need to have a conversation with both republicans and democrats, just mr. ivan, i'm with you we agree, we have to work with both, but if certain... narratives that viktor orbán pushed in his teeth, you know, from china all the way to i don't know which european capitals, i think that certain cabinets in the united states were also open to this message from orban, well, we will not be silent if they start to drain us, and we understand that here is a question of our survival, and maybe, maybe, our position, on the contrary, could be a little tougher, although trump is emotional a person and he can make many decisions on his own

on the wave or at the peak of one or another of your emotional reactions? and you know, we also have the experience of past interaction there when trump was the president of the united states, despite all the unpredictability of the policy at that time, despite the challenges of the policy of the united states at that time, we also remember that it was under trump that the first lethal weapons were provided ukraine, and this is what we managed to achieve, but it requires such solutions, it requires systematic work, not ratcheting, not shunting, no, selective, this does not mean that this, well, for example, if the american the people will decide in the elections and choose the president trump, that ukraine. oh well, you have to stop somehow trying to reach all the offices of the united states of america, but this

must be done constantly, it must be done through trust with those partners with whom you manage to establish this trusting dialogue, and trusting dialogue is developed over years, and that is, it is produced during the work at various levels, and indeed we have these... tacts from which, which we have, well, with a duration of at least a decade, which allow us to open additional doors for ukraine as well, which are critical for us today, if we continue to give such passports, and for those skeptics in america, we as a state, for those skeptics in america who believe that ukraine should not be helped there, because it is corrupt, because it is not... critical, because it, well, is sliding in the opposite direction, and not moving

where it declares that it is moving, then obviously it will be more difficult for us to achieve those goals that stand before us all together, and that is why it is important for us that the ukrainian authorities , well, simply, no, not out of dispersal, do not fight against some such, you know, pillars, and do not take ukraine with them, but... try, try to put sticks in the wheels of political opponents, but at the same time, in this way , they bring harm to ukraine. thank you, ivanna klympush tsinsadze, people's deputy of ukraine and head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union, was on our airwaves. thanks to her and we're going on a break now, it won't be long actually so stick with espresso and we'll be back literally in a few minutes. attention, a profitable

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the lawyer roman chervynskyi, andriy yosypov. yes, we have been waiting for minutes. andriy yosypov will join us for a minute, an important message, so today roman chervinsky, a ukrainian colonel, is on trial chose preventive measure in the form of house arrest. this is an extremely important story, for months, roman chervinskyi was in a pre-trial detention center. this is how we understand how it affected his physical and psycho-emotional state. but an extremely important message, so the second one that has already been introduced. the amount of the bail, the amount of the bail has now reached as much as 9 million hryvnias, it was paid by a ukrainian politician, one of the leaders of the ukrainian political opposition, petro poroshenko, that's a short plot of the case, but roman chervinskyi's lawyer, andriy yosypov, will inform you about the details minute by minute he should

join us, let's recall a little now the case of roman chervinsky, what it was about... zmi reported that the ukrainian military had been recruiting a pilot of the russian federation for several months to hijack a plane. among them, according to zmi, was roman chervinskyi. subsequently, as noted in the sbu, the operation was carried out despite the objections of the sbu and without the consent of the relevant state authorities. as a result, the enemy received information about the placement of air force personnel of the armed forces of ukraine at the kanatov airfield and ukrainian planes, and this enabled the russian federation to shell the airfield. subsequently, chervinsky gave a censor. exclusive interview, where he told: about the operation at the kanatove airfield, he says that on april 23, the sbu informed chervinsky about suspicion in the case of shelling by the occupiers of this airfield, he was detained in the ternopil region. actually, roman chervinskyi was one of the spies who, in the 20th year, organized an operation to detain russian mercenaries from the wagner pmc, luring them to belarus, where

the mercenaries were supposed to get on a plane, which later the ukrainian special services would have landed in ukraine by accident, but as you know, the operation failed, and there are certain assumptions that the case that currently concerns roman chervinskyi is actually revenge for the fact that he broke the so- called wagnergate. but now we will talk about everything in order with roman cherbinskyi's lawyer. andriy yosypov is already in touch with us. mr. andriy, congratulations. good day. glory to ukraine. well, we would like to ask you about the course of today's meeting. yes, a couple of days ago we talked with activists, who were in kropyvnytskyi. well, today we would like to ask you to become our insider. we work live. in fact, a court hearing. took place yesterday, according to the results of yesterday's court hearing in the appeal court of the kirovohrad region, our appeal was partly satisfied and in fact the measure

of the preventive measure was changed, the preventive measure was actually detention, but the main thing in this is the possibility of making bail, the bail was determined by the court panel of judges in the amount of uah 9 million, where... uah, if any to be precise, today this pledge was already made by the pledger, the petro poroshenko foundation, and today i had great hope that by the end of the working day today, by 5 o'clock in the evening, mr. chervinskyi would be able to leave the pre-trial detention center in kropyvnytskyi, but on unfortunately, due to a number of difficult bureaucratic procedures. bureaucratic procedures, we were not able to release roman from the pre-trial detention center today in the literal sense of the word,

the reason for this is the fact that the state treasury service did not confirm the received money as collateral, although they confirm the fact that they are really in the accounts, but they cannot issue... this is an official confirmation, because , apparently, only by the end of the working day, they should have general the statements that will be provided to the appeal itself, already the appeal, based on the results of studying these statements, should give us a certificate to confirm that these funds have really been credited, mr. andriy, look, the important question is, what do you think? changed during the hearings, yes, because until recently unfortunately, the question of changing the preventive measure was not at all,

i understand that the court considered some additional explanations, whether there were changes, for example, or self-recrimination in the testimony of witnesses, the main reason, in my opinion, and we probably talked, by the way, i saw roman today and i will support roman. this position, that the main reason for the change in this position was support, in particular, the increase or increase in the number of regional, city, and settlement district councils, which positively expressed their position regarding roman chervinskyi, appealed to the committees of the verkhovna rada regarding the political persecution of chervinskyi and... as of yesterday, there were more than 263 such appeals, moreover, the party of european solidarity, the faction of european

solidarity appeared in full, in their full composition, acted as guarantors in this proceeding, in particular, not only the desire to take chervinskyi as bail, but also the expression of positive characteristics regarding roman chervinskyi. this is one of the main reasons. probably the second reason - this, once again, every time, every time we already have to refute the absurdity of the accusation, i have a deep hope that this time two of the panel of judges, because one expressed a separate opinion, he did not want to give bail, he still listened to the arguments the parties for... stu regarding the absence, or the absurdity, i would say, of the accusation and the lack of evidence to confirm the validity of this accusation, we

were directed there: a number of recent requests from lawyers regarding the conduct of space intelligence is meant intelligence that actually became the reason why the missiles hit the targets they hit. mr. andriy, allow me, i would like to clarify with you, after roman chervinsky is released, it will happen either today or tomorrow morning, what will be the next sequence of actions, that is, how will this case be resolved? to be considered, and in general, the course of this case, what do you think it will look like? and the first thing is that the measure of preventive measure will be considered as bail for him, i am sure that the prosecution will appear at the next court session with a request for continuation of the duties assigned to him by the court decision, precisely as

security. this bail, therefore we will also hear at the next court session the issue of extending the preventive measure, but already in the form of bail, and not in the form of detention. then we should finally start a trial on the merits, it will be yesterday or the day before yesterday and it never started, because the panel of judges for some reason unknown to us... decided to drag this story on, not to consider the proceedings as such, and with the aim of simply keeping him in custody, because the proceedings reduce the risks of the actual investigation, evidence, examination of witnesses and so on, it reduces the risks that are the basis of detention or any other preventive measure, the panel of judges in in the first instance

, she we... subjective impression, did not want to reduce these risks, in fact artificially, but let's see how they will behave in the next court hearings, let's see if they will appoint them with adequate frequency, let's see if they there will be them whether or not they will be postponed, our next court hearing is on the 24th of this month, based on the results of the next court hearing, i think we will draw a picture for ourselves in a little more detail, that is, there will be... understanding or, how will it be in this taking into account the change from preventive measure, how will the court behave now. and finally, briefly, mr. andrii, what is colonel chervinsky's physical condition now? he is now gaining strength both physically, and morally, and emotionally due to the preventive measure, i

saw him today, he is in a good mood, he's... in good spirits physically, of course he's not the same as someone who's not in a detention facility, but i think, i have a strong hope that given the change in custody, he'll be able to at least to correct the deterioration of his health that occurred in and they kept him, look, he was kept in the sbu pretrial detention center or in the police station, he... at the stage of the pre-trial investigation was kept in the sbo pretrial detention center on askold, in an alley there, it seems and now it is already at the judicial stage proceedings he is in the pre-trial detention center of the state institution the pre-trial detention center of the city of kropyvnytska. thank you for your work and for including in the live broadcast of spress andriy yosypov, the lawyer of colonel roman chervinsky was with

us now. well, antin and i say goodbye to... today with you, see you tomorrow in this studio, then news, and take care, see you. greetings to everyone from espresso, i'm anyavamelnik and news for your attention: petro poroshenko posted bail for roman chervinsky, the fifth president announced this in his publications pledges 9 million hryvnias. the former spy has been in custody for more than a year, he is accused of an arbitrary special operation regarding the recruitment of a russian pilot, because of which he was arrested.