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yuzhannina analyzed the laws that the people's elected representatives are proposing to adopt now, whether it is appropriate, whether it is appropriate to vote on these laws right now during the great war. continue, ms. yuzhanina? i will continue, in fact, with a new draft law that just appeared on the website of the verkhovna rada, this is a draft law that was registered by... mr. shmyhal, denys, the prime minister of ukraine, of which 40% of the revenues must be provided for those that were planned for 2024 , an additional 40%. now let everyone understand what will happen next. i will quickly familiarize myself with it, it is still said that they will increase the excise tax on tobacco products, they have already increased it on fuel today, this will add up to 16. this will introduce an excise tax

on sweet drinks, you and i still have to talk about what it is and how it will be count, it is 3.3 billion, sweet drinks are where there is a combination of sugar with co2, i.e. all drinks that are very often used by our citizens, and went to raise the military levy, the military levy rate for all individuals, regardless of their income. from one and a half to 5%. a military levy will also be introduced for juros on the general and simplified taxation system of 1% of income. also, for simplified workers in the first, second group, in the fourth group, it is 5% of the two minimum salaries and so on. and then there is the introduction of a military levy on individual operations, for example, 5% of the value of bank

metals purchased from banks, 5% of the income from the sale of one real estate object, mobile operators 5% of the cost of mobile communication, at the time of the first registration of passenger cars, a military tax in the cost of 15% of the cost of the car, and in addition 30% of the cost of jewelry must be paid by enterprises or individuals under. as far as people are concerned, there is still such a proposal, i just remember how we fought in the last convocation about this rule, this is the taxation of import vat on all goods whose value exceeds 150 €, which are received, including through postal shipments. and

this cost is mine, you remember that we set a limit of 150 € back then. it will now be set at €45. anything over €45 is subject to visa taxes. that is, how do you think citizens of ukraine, entrepreneurs, can perceive such a list of proposals from the prime minister, or is this his last chord. is this his position, or do they just want to turn all the arrows on him, as they turned on the e-e project of the law, which was accidentally adopted as an alternative on fuel, i don't want to give ukrainians extra information, just remember one thing: now is actually a difficult period, but resources can be saved, but we have huge international aid, there is simply no need to move over people. if necessary, i am ready

to work on all possible substitutes that can be replaced in order to give additional income. but no one gives calculations, where did the need for 500 billion come from, yesterday they said 200, today 500, then tomorrow you will say, in general, a trillion, ms. yuzhanina, is there any figure, how much the war costs us, well, that is , maybe a year, a month calls these numbers office ministers, well, if they are open, because there we know, the united states of america, they often announce such figures, we have this figure, there is this figure, i apologize to us. there was something wrong with the electricity and we currently have no connection with, but if the connection is restored

, it would be interesting to hear this number from ms. the lawyer of the monomajority, but at least let's try to imagine that there are really such laws and officials in europe which are involved. in corrupt acts there for some amount there conditionally for there 10 00 € so they have to compensate the state there 30 00 € and in principle the mechanisms in the eu work like that , do you know how it works in the european union, is there no such thing there? well , there are a lot of laws in the european union aimed at ensuring that the government is honest, even when ministers are found to have fake dissertations, they immediately submit... resignation, who has resigned in our country, no one is even proud, well, he gave up his dissertation , it's okay, there are serious ones punishment, a person gets out of politics, automatically gets out of politics, and politicians, politics is such a profession that people value, if they already go into

politics in europe, then in principle there are quite high salaries, but these salaries are given for really honest work , although of course there are a lot of corrupt elements in europe, because there are many tenders, all the same, everything is sometimes done with a bias so that their companies receive, receive some income, because as governments change, new people come, people come not very, not very competent recently, there is a big crisis in the leadership of everything, it is clear that those people are without a lot of education, so i will throw... people without education into politics, and if people are without education, why do they go for money, but they consider everything- anyway, in order not to be within some framework, not to become, not that known, not that the press does not have access to such cases, because the press closely

follows such cases in the west, especially the opposition press, it takes them under the microscope of all actors, and who, what, who has a relationship, everything is known, which company is represented. who are you connected with, which party, which donors, which sponsors, and therefore there is still a very seriously limited limited resource of this corruption, but it is there, there is no, there is nothing to say here, but it is not the form that but now we are talking, the chinese have made it much easier, they announce that every year a hundred, two hundred corrupt officials are shot, they solve these issues very, very simply. there are wounds, and we want to hear, really, how much the war is costing ukraine, if it is for ukrainians, because for our money, for the most part, these are the ones that fill the budget, if we do not count the money to according to the data of the ministry of finance, i look at the managers who provide the armed forces

with financial support and all the equipment, we spend somewhere between 120-130 billion hryvnias per month, huh. mr. andreykiv, i wanted to add that this law, which was adopted to prevent or compensate corruption damages, actually has a very positive history. in the united states in 1970 , the so-called rico act was adopted. ricktear influenced corruption organization. it is implied that in the law proposed in ukraine, leveled the main component of cooperation of the subject with the investigation for the purpose of exposure. the organizer of a broader level, that is, we have a detached component of compensation and cooperation with the investigation, that is, if the person who cooperated with the investigation sincerely admitted his guilt, showed and provided objective , strong evidence in order to investigate the abuse of a larger level, this law then

it has the right to exist, we have it at the moment and, unfortunately, it has a rather truncated form that only applies to compensatory mechanisms. damages and on on the basis of this reduction of guilt, in addition to the fact that the amount you say of 500 billion can be found in the court registers of the kyiv commercial court, where... the ministry of defense of ukraine appealed to three ukrainian companies that undertook in the 22nd year payment for the supply of artillery shells in the amount of uah 40 billion. and to find these companies where they have transacted abroad and they have cooperated, it is not such a difficult task. we have 900 10% of the amount that the ministry of finance, govt is talking about as additional required a mechanism for financing the costs of war. and such examples of actually opaque transactions. which are meant and are taking place even at the moment, there are quite a large number,

but under the condition of high-quality work of the law enforcement system , it would be much easier for the government and the ministry of finance to provide for the budget, but we must admit that this law enforcement system , unfortunately, does not exist at all effective, evidenced by constant scandals and the need to reform the economic security bureau of other law enforcement agencies, now we understand that there is a lot of attention to the national anti-corruption bureau itself. the whole system is not only legislative, we cannot address, talk only about the parliament, because it is a reflection of society as a whole, the ineffectiveness of the use of funds, the conclusion of economic agreements to support the army, the inefficiency of the judicial and law enforcement system actually has the consequence of the fact that money in we are not there, and the best positive international experiences that exist in our country are actually only partially applied, well , at least you name some kind of argument, here that's exactly what the problem is in... society , and we, as journalists, are what we don't hear from those who propose this bill, i.e. if they came out and said

that the motivation is such and such, we would have been told that to vote, and we think that this is a good decision, it will do this and that and that, but there is no such thing, there is just some kind of voting, and this society takes the bait because it does not understand, and nina yuzhanivna, you have a final word, a summary of that , what you said, please, thank you very much for allowing us to talk about such things in the studio. things, we have here in the center they don't talk at all about what additional resource we could take and where, because these are systemic things, because it needs to be worked on, the best and easiest way to get money out of citizens' pockets, because all that is currently offered is what is consumed our ukrainians, and if someone thinks that we have high consumer demand or high purchasing potential. idleness is the purchasing power of the population, they are mistaken, and that is why i say that when they calculate with arithmetic, they simply say,

raising the tax rate, they multiply an unknown amount by a rate, some kind of calculation amount on the bet, everything turns out to be exactly the opposite, i absolutely agree with you and i talk about it all the time, we have a lot to work on, and it would be possible, you understand what about the fact that in the end we... in the second half of this year there will be a deficit for the financing of the armed forces, they say from the very beginning, when the budget was adopted, it was already known that this budget does not reflect all the needs of the armed forces, do you think that today we are already ending the month of july, someone did something during these months, well, nothing, that's why, of course will push through these draft laws, as the deputies who happened to be there explained today... what broadcasts did you tune in to, why did you vote for raising excise taxes on fuel, and you didn't see that the minister of finance came and

said that we desperately need, and we are not populists, but to think how it will affect, how this domino will topple our entire economy, how people will feel, especially, you know, the average pension is 500, it will not rise for the next three years, because that is exactly what is written in the budget declarations, you know: what the living wage per able-bodied person is 2,600, it will remain like that for three years, where will the money come from, well, that's why the question is, we would have to talk about these, you know, these economic issues, they are very difficult, and it is difficult to gather an audience, to convey to people, we it is necessary in some clear language, how not to prepare people, what to prepare for, perhaps this will be the mission that we have to engage in, because to break this approach that the money is always... under the pillows, it must be taken out, well, we have to, because in our society is divided into those who have

huge wealth and for those who lack it, well , listen, even the world bank said that 30% of the population in ukraine is now below the poverty line, and i read about 50, because i don’t know how many people in ukraine are considered poor, so in we have a difficult autumn ahead of us, and the coming... months, when we will all understand how impoverished our people have all become. thank you, nina yuzhanina, member of the vru committee on finance, tax and customs policy, representative of european solidarity. again, we always welcome representatives of all political parties in our studio of the forces that are in the parliament, some of them voted and supported, these are not only servants of the people, part of the homeland also voted for, in particular, this bill, which provides for money for crimes that relate specifically to bribes and everything else, we will ask

these people's deputies , when it appears to us, please, that economists are generally silent about one secret. the problem of capitalism, corruption is automatically and not avoided where state property and private business collide, there is automatically a problem of corruption, and for that, precisely in these moments, it is necessary to deal with this systematically, as ms. yuzhanina said, ms. mr. vdovychin, you will now have a question, because all this that we hear, it is clear that the society is not satisfied, and the cabinet of ministers decides matters, as it can decide, there is no money, we raise taxes, we are looking for this money from any, from any sources, from any resources, but what can it do to us, you know, if it can spill out, will there be some political crisis, is it really possible, in this way, such bills, which are difficult now, and they are initiated by the cabinet, in particular shmygal, they will vote, and then shmygal will be changed, you see, i would pay attention

to the main word. word, i told mrs. yuzhanina that it is difficult, difficult, we must understand that in reality it will be difficult and difficult, and it is already all over the world, there would be a long conversation here, but the fashionable word now is populism, it dominates this world, we talked about the political populism of mr. biden, who said that he would stop the war in 24 hours, let's not talk, because it's not serious anymore, trump, i'm sorry, trump, biden said that he stopped putin, which can also be called populism did not stop trump, other areas are economic, here again, that is, what is it about, in wealthy countries populism is gaining, it dominates at night, why? people brought the welfare state to life, and when

the war broke out, why didn't the europeans partially support it, or did we think it was not enough. because a pack of butter became more expensive by €5. it's real, you know? income gradually, but it is extremely difficult that for many reasons, the global economy is inflated, you see, most people in the world live, well, wealthy, we we speak in the world, not the way they actually work, we, we have the other side of the coin, we work, but here they already said about five. thousands of pensions, most of them receive less, a little more than 100 dollars, so you understand, taking into account the prices, besides, it was right here that they said about the excise tax, why, because it is imposed on petroleum products, it immediately drags the prices for a lot of everything, everything on logistics , accordingly, the goods for

production will be much more expensive now, why, because the generators need to be refueled at... a lot of consumption will go, and so on in all spheres, to which i, as a ukrainian politician, am a little irresponsible, i will correctly say, we are in favor of, well, in public opinion , who does the criticism of mobilization fall on the tsk, but i apologize, there is a supreme commander, he must come out, justify. the draft law on mobilization was initiated by the government, we... denys shmehal should come and explain. legislation was adopted by the verkhovna rada. head of verkhovna stepana and so on and so on. that is, the leaders of the political party, deputies must speak and substantiate this or that decision. here at our fingertips, how they say, demonstrated.

it is not known where the draft law comes from, it is declared by whom, it is not known at all. and this is global. affects the country's economy and the social state of society, we say, ukraine is in a state of war, society is not electrified, and there is another unpleasant economic factor, that is , what, i would say even more demotivation against mobilization or something, that is, the authorities need to be responsible, yes, we are very... the situation, because we do not fully understand the scale of this war, it is not a war between ukraine and russia, as i have already said, it is war of eastern and western civilizations. that is , the civilization of rights and freedoms, no matter how much democracy we have, but still many more rights, more freedoms than in russia, china,

iran or north korea. this message of evil, as we say, has consolidated and is openly waging war. western civilization does not want to admit this to the end. we remember december 2021 . it was already, as it were, an ultimatum. put forward not ukraine, but nato, ugh, western civilizations you must withdraw, you must demilitarize, but western civilization does not fully understand the scale of the danger, and if we have already heard talk about the third world war, nuclear strikes, i hope it will not come to that, but the actual conventional third world war will definitely go on, and the longer the event. will avoid providing us with means of defeat sufficient to defeat russia, the larger

the scale of the war will be. it was more or less realistic to finish in the 22nd year, well, to reach at least the level of february 24, i think that would be a compromise option, but now the situation will worsen, we see that you will raise your hand, let's now briefly move on to the situation on the fronts and we will also discuss with the military, we have a problem. the figure of 120 billion uah from the budget of ukraine for the war every month, well, this is how i see it in principle, in our country it was foreseen in the budget for the 24th year that one trillion 692 billion uah is allocated for the needs of the defense sector, what is the share in general, if we talk about the money that is allocated for the war every month and is spent here on the territory of our state, because we understand that the help is also from partners, and with such figures we would probably not be able to bring out an effective defense from the russian federation, if only this money were available. war is a very expensive pleasure, because there are shells that

cost 800 €, there are shells that cost 800 €. we pay 15 million hryvnias to the dead, and even if the people who are missing, their families receive full financial support, which in fact the serviceman had in the combat zone, but i would like to... say a little about something else, just imagine , that you are the ambassador of a european country in kyiv, and as far as i know the work of foreign missions, it is multifaceted, and a large part of this activity is monitoring, that is, they monitor mass media, internet networks, they meet with officials, and every day, every embassy of any country sends relevant information or analytics to itself in... foreign affairs, just imagine, let's play such a game that you are the ambassador of any european country that sees the information that yuzhanina says, and there is also the so

-called ofsine, this is open source intelligence, this is the analyst's obtaining of information from open sources, what a picture he makes impartially any official of the foreign office in kyiv, which recommendation he gives directly to his government, or the government. makes decisions on the basis of objective information provided by their officials in ukraine, this is their duty, i am bringing you to the point that in the project of the federal republic of germany for 2025 , aid to ukraine has already been reduced by at least 40%. therefore, this draft law of the government of ukraine is actually an echo of the fact that european countries and european donors will reduce their financial assistance. why? her are reducing, are there definitely objective circumstances, because we see that governments have changed in many countries, they are actually forming a really populist position, i would

suggest to you, who is watching in our country, take, read in translation, the memoirs of vance, a potential vice president of the united states in the event of trump's victory, he is already announced, he is a marine who served four years in the army in iraq, who graduated from yale university, he tells from which ... regions, he came from, what he became, that is, we have an idea about america, which helps us, that is, if it is a rich , infinitely generous country that will constantly support us, no, the united states, great britain, european countries - these are colorful states that have their own problems, and these problems are growing in them, and we are actually standing at the junction of three critical crises, the first is the crisis of energy, energy resources, they become more expensive, they actually become smaller in volume, the population of the earth is growing, we are standing... at the stage of a crisis of the financial and economic system, because no one knows how to guarantee the currency and what will be done with the financial markets, and we stand on the threshold of an ecological crisis,

evidence of which is that... the literature that is not only in ukraine, it has increased everywhere, and this list of three main problems, each government must solve for itself, that is, i am saying that we are standing on the threshold of some kind of state isolationism in international relations in the future, and that is why we are already paying attention in this studio to the problem of finding internal resources, setting and standing for ourselves, that is why i say proactive, those who think ahead are successful and those who are reactive think emotions. they are unsuccessful and poor, but let's still start developing a realistic plan b, based on the worst-case scenario, as military colleagues do, they will confirm that the difference between the military and civilians is that the military plans from the worst -case scenario, and when it will happen, we have to be ready for it, civilians think in some such, you know, very conditional way, that somehow it will happen, we need a realistic plan b in ukraine, our summer will soon

end, the winter will be... not easy, it will be the most difficult winter in all directions, social, economic, military, law enforcement, international, even, we have to prepare for the full activity of citizens with hope only for themselves, from the government, ministries, united territorial communities, cities and towns, you know, i already i keep repeating, it's like in an airplane, you are always told that the first thing you should do in the event of a problem is to put on a mask for yourself, the ukrainian government, ukrainian communities. ukrainian cities need to put on an oxygen mask and calculate and plan activity, what will happen if there is no foreign aid at all, and this is quite realistic, mr. mikhalchyshyn, here is a forecast that there may be no foreign aid, we are moving smoothly into international history and the whole world is discussing donald trump, all ukrainians are discussing

mr. vance. who will obviously be the vice president and who, well, let's put it this way, we have a lot of manipulations, it seems to me that it is still in our information field that vance is saying everything there is against ukraine, he is there for putin, well, if you read the comments, then he there is just such an agent of putin, but nevertheless, what scenarios does this foreshadow for us and what do you think about today's already quite specific information that, well , it seems that biden... not even to run for office, that's how biden can be convinced, i talked, now met literally three days ago in zagreb with gari kasparov, who was, was considered one of the most famous such experts in the united states and in the world on russia, and he said that biden clearly, he is no longer suitable, but very strong pressure and he is influenced by his wife jill. who

has a great influence over him, a great influence on him, and that is why she, and there is a son involved in his affairs, that they want to fight to the end, although the speeches of the leader of the majority in the senate, the democratic ones in the senate and in the house of representatives have now begun, who recommend a replacement, but there is also a big problem with the replacement now, the kamal haris replacement, i don't think it's a serious replacement. they should look for some other young politician, but there is no time, there is still about a month before their conference to solve all these questions. vance, this is a very interesting person, he is, as has been rightly said, he is a man, he is a man from ohio, from a mining country, he grew up in a very poor and troubled family, and he knows and understands that there are huge problems there , this so-called rustbelt

is so rusty. a belt where there were many.