glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. over the next hour , we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. let's also talk about the case of roman chervinska, as well as why politicians allow themselves dirty dances around the military leadership in ukraine. and of course, let's remember ursula fondeyan, who today in... second, she was elected as the head of the european commission, which has plans for the formation of a european defense strategy in the context russian aggression. during the hour, we will have three guests: general serhiy krivonos, our correspondent in strasbourg, tetiana vysotska, and political expert volodymyr tsibulko. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how fighters of the 101st separate tro brigade

stopped another attempt of a russian assault on their positions in donetsk region, hitting two bmp-3s. the first car was disabled by a side shot, and the second was blown to pieces, blown up by mines. let's see how it all turned out.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about whether you feel like a european. so, everything is quite simple on youtube: yes, no, or your own answer, please write in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or... your phone and vote for the numbers. if yes, 0800-211-381, no, 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i want to introduce our first guest today is serhiy krivonos, reserve major general, first deputy commander of the sso in 2016-19, ex-deputy secretary of the nsdc, mr. general,

i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. mr. general, let's start our conversation with the situation at the front, as over the last few weeks, and maybe even months, the situation at the front is changing and is it changing, or is this ice rink that the russian federation is trying to use to roll our positions, they are very slowly this... is trying to roll west, well, according to the russian border, the situation is difficult, analyze what happened in the previous few months, let's still understand that the capabilities of the army will always fall to the level of the state's ability to provide for the needs of the army, the needs of the army are provided in three directions, this is trained, motivated people, what we

call the amilial resource, the next is shells, ammunition of another type, food, fuel, equipment, this is what concerns the economic capacity of the state, and the third is the fortification equipment of the territories where our armed forces are fighting, these are the three main things that would allow us to feel confident, taking into account what russia... has put so far, you know, for a long time, their desire for such powerful assaults, deep raids, or such a deep offensive with the failure of the front, it did not work out for them, thanks to the capabilities of our armed forces, we also stopped coups, nullified their desire to win quickly, and the fact that the war it's been 10 years already and 2 of the years are directly full-term. the war headquarters shows that the plans of the russians

are constantly changing, and the latest statements by the same medvedev, that they still plan, that in 10 years they will be able to destroy ukraine, this shows that. what we give their statements in the year 22, how they saw everything for themselves with rose-colored glasses, but we foiled their plans, same here, their offensive capabilities are there, they try to attack in many areas and little by little, you know, so crawling bite off pieces with a spidery step our territories, but at the same time bear terrible losses. as regards both people and equipment, so yes, in certain areas we lost a certain amount of territory, but it is much less than what the russians dreamed of, and for us it is necessary to understand that it is difficult for our

guys at the front, they still need the solution to these three issues, which i spoke about at the beginning of our conversation, mr. general, you probably, like no one else, know very well the entire chronology of the decade of this war, the ten-year war, and you know very well the psychology of the russians, they they have been fighting for 10 years against ukraine and are going to fight for another 10 years, you have already mentioned the statement of the deputy secretary of the security council of the russian federation , dmitry medvedev, whether they have enough strength and opportunities to fight in a ten-year perspective. and how he says to destroy ukraine and break ukraine to the state they dream of. well, they just have the desire, but the capacity is significantly less, and the fact that due to, after all, such a gradual

increase in sanctions, despite the active work of the russian special services to circumvent sanctions, the creation of front organizations, companies that... as was the case with coffee in yalta, we still have many issues that we have to solve, russians. will weaken faster if we powerfully destroy their economy, destroy their enterprises, destroy the oil and gas industrial complex and not only processing plants, but also oil pipelines, gas pipelines, and oil and gas rigs,

gas is extracted, this is what they earn not weak money, exporting the same oil and the same gas, primarily oil, exporting it to china, exports... this is what allows them to fill the budget and to pay crazy, i emphasize, crazy money to their servicemen, because such a powerful impoverishment and already the brotherhood of the russian nation is precisely what pushes these people to take up arms, kill a ukrainian, steal his washing machine. pick up women's underwear hanging in the yard and kill children, these are the, you know, minimum dreams that they have, and unfortunately, they are not very positive and not very human, so we understand that they have limited options, but we also have to

raise our capabilities in order to destroy russia, in order to reduce it russia's ability to directly trade in anything, be it, they mostly trade in raw materials. so our task is to reduce to zero, to make them completely unable to trade what they are making a lot of money on. let's return, mr. general, to the situation in the south, because over the past few days, various media outlets, referring to their sources in the general staff, have written about the critical situation in the krynaks. at the same time, the spokesman of the operational and strategic grouping of tavriy troops, dmytro lykhoviy , stated on the air of the national telethon that... the situation in in the markets is not as critical as it is interpreted by some media and bloggers. let's listen to what mr. lykhova said. our key message is as follows: the defense forces of ukraine continue to carry out combat missions on the left bank of the dnieper, in particular in the area

of ​​the settlement of krynka. however, it is true that most of the main positions of the ukrainian troops in this village, as a result of intense, combined and prolonged fire. under the influence of the enemy, they were completely destroyed, and the village itself simply turned into a pile of stones, it was completely destroyed by enemy shelling, this is already a place that has not been inhabited for a long time, it is... a place in which it is practically impossible to maintain defense, but ukrainian defenders continue to be in designated positions and on bridgeheads, just like that in the plural on the left bank of the dnieper. mr. general, lykhovii said that it is impossible to gain defense there, but is it possible to hold that bridgehead there, from which, as i understand it, the offensive on the left bank of the dnieper should begin. it is good that you have such confidence about our offensive on the left bank of the dnieper, you have such

an understanding of the enemy's diversion, perhaps the attack will occur in a completely different place, meanwhile, with such actions we are drawing upon ourselves a huge number of russian troops, which the russians could use with great success in other areas of the front. do you remember when they left the left bank of ukraine from the kherson region, what a huge number of troops they had. then they transferred to donbas and the situation there became much more difficult, so to speak, so for a long time, for more than six months, our bridgeheads in the krynok region and not only cossack elahirya attracted a huge number russians, we brought down a huge amount of equipment, killed a huge number of katsaps, and this also played its positive role and gave its positive result. and where there will be an offensive, there will be an offensive when it comes, this

issue should not be covered directly on the air, those who are concerned with this understand that there is still a lot of work to be done, and we also do not need to create a tragedy, even if we lose this bridgehead, because a lot who says, i also have certain information, but until the general staff has not clearly stated its position, well, it is already an agreement and their request that... take your time in front of those who must officially indicate it. we have already had examples when the general staff recognized the abandonment of certain settlements much later than it happened, therefore, any settlement that we leave, it is necessary to understand that there is already such a, you know, lunar landscape, there is simply there is absolutely no ability for people to hold the defense, and plus understand correctly how... difficult, not just difficult, but titanically difficult to hold on to these borders, and

it is even more difficult to supply soldiers across the dnipro river, how tight logistics are, how actively the enemy attacks any accumulation of our people, near boats, near boats, in general in the area of ​​crossings, attacks with drones, attacks fpv with drones, lancets, attacks with mortars . mortars, artillery, it's very, it's hell, it's real hell, so to demand more from the guys than what they can, well , it would be too much, you know, risky, whoever wants to condemn them, then i guess let them be there first and then will judge already, well, sir general, we once talked with you on the air about those commentators, political commentators, who try to evaluate the actions of the military. leadership of ukraine, commander-in-chief, first zaluzhnyi, and

now syrskyi, we will not mention the name of this people's deputy of ukraine, because, in principle, she is a minor person and in general in the history of ukrainian politics, but we constantly, constantly see these political the torpedoing of mariana, and we see how she tries to sow some doubts or give... make some assessments to the generals, combatants to the generals who have experience in managing the army , why do you think this is happening and why does the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine not put his associates in their place, because during the war it is simply sabotage against the ukrainian army against the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine, and it is open sabotage and... what people's deputy maryana bezugla is doing is reminiscent of a scenario

that at one time was successfully implemented by the german command in 1917, when due to the discrediting of the leadership of the russian army for six months, it was simply the russian army was destroyed and the germans brought the whole country out of the first world war, they remember the moscow scenario, how they destroyed them, and they are probably trying to develop this scenario inside our country at the expense of certain people's deputies, and this is the most terrible and when certain issues concerning the leadership are discussed, then... the people's deputies are sure that the military, following this very example, will begin to discuss and ask questions of the country's political leadership, why certain simple, understandable things for any normal citizen from a normal world, where the transition of the economy to functioning in the conditions of the saber period, where the transfer

of local self-government bodies and the central body of executive power to work during the war, where... the plan for enterprises of ukraine and many there is a lot more, so if they think that they can, and the rest is not possible, one must still think that ukrainians clearly understand, and if it is possible for someone, then it is possible for everyone, and this is an open destruction, subordination and complete the understanding of military discipline in the armed forces is not beneficial, why won't mr. zelenskyi shut the mouth of the lady... because mariana directly receives these and all these narratives from the pechersk arbs, and this is the most understandable, and such things when we hear accusations from the side of pechersk hillmen, for criticizing the government, for criticizing the leadership, they shout that these are the kremlin's ringleaders, then maryana, then who is the spearhead of the kremlin,

even if you say ringleaders, it destroys systematically ideologically. such a wonderful informational and psychological operation in quotation marks is destroyed, which is absolutely not beneficial of the ukrainian armed forces and in general the situation inside the country. mr. general, but we see how over the past few years there have been cases that were initiated both against general marchenko and against you, after the defense of zhulyana airport, when you were in charge in february and march. for the protection of this airfield and then you were accused of damaging this runway there, now we see the case of roman chervinskyi, yesterday or the day before yesterday he was released on bail in one case, today the shevchenkiv district court chose preventive measure in the form of house arrest to the former spy, he is suspected of

receiving a bribe in the amount of 100 thousand dollars, this is how the decision was commented. roman chervinsky of the shevchenko court and his lawyer, let's hear it, you can see how unprofessional both the prosecutors and the judge are, regardless of any arguments, in general it is clear that this is simply the fulfillment of some slavish duty to the political authorities, who leads our country today, so thank you all, we will continue... our struggle the joint judge just got up in the middle of the process and went to receive instructions, and here i apologize, i'll correct it, she didn't get up, but they got up, she didn't go, but they left her, well, yes , it's more correct to say that, yes, but well here we see the result, that’s why such a result with

such a psychology, i will say yes, process, this is an unequivocal victory, mr. general, that’s enough... such a trend is dangerous, because the armed forces have the highest trust rating, the military that protects us have the highest trust rating, perhaps it is political jealousy, and c this is how the current team tries to deal with those who do not please them, who crossed the road there, or someone told the truth about this or that, you are also the general against whom... the current rulers are constantly trying to inspire something, it is still possible to add general pavlovsky and major malakhov, who were also locked up in a butchery, who also put in a lot of effort to protect our ukraine, and for some reason, real thieves,

real spies, real representatives of the fifth column... in general, the question is somehow not raised , let's let's remember that everyone forgot about the destruction of the construction beam in december of last year, everyone forgot many, many more such examples, inaction in quotation marks, this is just real inaction regarding the protection of the critical infrastructure of the ukrainian economy, especially regarding the energy economy, so there are many questions , and the fact that... the authorities are trying to pressure those who have their own point of view and their own directly rigid position on certain issues, which relate to the realities of the authorities' inaction. and on them, those who say it, and those who them support, and in general show that any citizen who has his own point of view can be jailed to play, on whom

it works, but those whom they try to push with cigarettes, it does not work, we still forgot roman dudin , thanks to whose actions kharkiv survived, we forgot the mayor of chernigov, a city that survived despite the ... onslaught, we can cite more than enough such examples, we also remembered the dead people's deputies, who for some reason were in the hospital, died in kherson, such examples that's enough, the government fights against any, you know, people's attempts to tell the truth, tries to manipulate us with information, well , one of such powerful examples of information manipulation is, after all, that stupid telethon where there are absolutely no representatives present. opposition channels and there are incomprehensible channels with incomprehensible journalists who hang pink and green

lexin on the ears of ukrainians, and then the failures of such incomprehensible promises, the sound of that, from the mouth of the same podalyak or aristovych, and then ukrainian society begins, you know, wildly falling down in your confidence of victory, and apparently it is beneficial to someone, i ask a question. who will be responsible for this, who led these people and who gave them the right to hang noodles on ukrainians' ears? well, you mentioned inaction, but this is also a crime, inaction in office, that's right, that is , someone will have to answer for it anyway, well, at least those five or six managers who run ukraine. absolutely correct and just pay attention, an interesting point, still the last name. these managers, what they are responsible for, er, who they and how he tries to solve the issue, as well as the simplest manipulation, when the advisers of the head of the president's office

speak on behalf of the president's office, on behalf of the president, but i want to say, show the duties of these advisers, the adviser from the word advise, and when the time comes to answer , i will tell them, this is what i advised you, no one authorized me, no one gave me the right, i made it up myself, and you... believe me, it is your responsibility, so ukrainians, be much more like that, you know, tougher in assessments information manipulation, and the example of a simple finland, where in high school the basics of information security are taught, where children are taught to perceive the correct information from any sources, for the slaughter of mass information, to whom this information is beneficial, for what, what it can do lead, it is not profitable for the authorities and the authorities. it is precisely our government that is trying to manipulate and tell noodles specifically to us, and the most important thing is not to bear responsibility for their statements, if

you analyze the whole, entire existence of the monomajority of the greens, then plus with the downside is that black and white will merge quite often. thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, it was sergey krivonos, major general of the reserve, friends, we are about... we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching now us on these platforms, please vote in our poll, today we ask you if you feel european and also join our pages on these platforms, and if you watch us in tv broadcasts, you can vote by telephone lines, if you feel like a european, 0800 211 381. no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote, well, the one who

is really himself is more faithful and, who really feels like a european is tetyana vysotska, our special correspondent who works in european institutions, today she watched how the new, old or old new head of the european commission was elected. tatyana, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our conversation. congratulations serhiy, ukraine is definitely europe. ukraine is definitely europe, but why do we ask ukrainians if they feel european, because sociological services in ukraine quite often conduct this survey, and we are interested to see how the dynamics of our viewers differ from the dynamics of sociological services. so, today the european parliament re-elected ursula fondeyan, the head of the european commission for a second five-year term. there were many statements, and rather serious statements. let's start with the main thing ursula said fonderley, what awaits europe in the next 5 years

during its presidency of the eur. commission, an important trend is that today's vote for ursula fonden, as well as yesterday's vote for the ukrainian resolution on the european union's long-term support for ukraine, demonstrated one important fact: despite the fact that far more politicians in the european parliament now represent far-right forces , the european parliament remains pro-ukrainian and pro-european, and moreover, the number of supporters... of ukraine is much greater than the number of supporters of ursula fonderline, because only 401 deputies voted for fonderlaen, and 495 deputies voted for the ukrainian resolution, and here is one important point on which i would like to emphasize, before moving on to the statements of mrs. fonderlein, that ukraine was supported almost entirely by the faction of the european conservatives and reformists, which are usually classified as far-right, is a faction led by italian prime minister giorgia

meloni. and her party brothers of italy and polish law and justice, they gave the ukrainian resolution 69 votes out of 78 possible, so that we can actually say that there are almost 500 pro-ukrainian deputies in the european parliament now, and this is very cool for the future, how the european parliament will vote for the initiatives that ursula von derlein will present in the next five years. so what did ursula fonlay say today? she gave a keynote speech to the deputies, and first of all she made the point that the european union will continue to give ukraine everything it needs to survive and won, and the european union itself will also become stronger, the european union will create a european defense union, and that time has come, said ursela fondeyan, and

i ... one of the steps will be the creation of a european air defense shield, let's hope that one day in ukraine will also join it and possibly very soon, and also ursula fonden sent a very important message to hungary, to the prime minister of hungary viktor orban, let's listen if there is an opportunity and direct speech about it. russia is betting on the softness of europe and the west, and some in europe. plays along two weeks ago, the prime minister of an eu country visited moscow. this so-called peace mission was nothing but a peacemaking mission. it was an overt pacification mission. two days later, putin's planes targeted a children's hospital. this shot was not a mistake. it was a signal, a signal from the kremlin, which makes the blood freeze in the veins of all of us. and

europe will stand with ukraine. how much, how much ukraine will need this before victory, emphasized and added that this is our message, our european signal for putin. such a powerful speech was given today in the european parliament, and let's hope that ursela fonberlein fulfills her promises. well, but, but viktor orban himself was at the meeting today, and i know that you tried or approached last time. to viktor orbán and tried to communicate with him, how he feels, that is, as a person who travels between world leaders, where he is received, he is probably the only european politician who was able to visit kyiv, moscow, beijing and in washington, trump has an orange, that is, whether he feels himself to be the king of the situation now, especially since hungary is in charge,

and here... the question, once again, is what orbán is doing and does it correspond in any way to the actions of european politicians, european leaders, and can the leaders of europe bring him to his senses and say that we have a single policy, otherwise you just carry out your hungarian policy and that's the end of it, well, you can predict that orbán is feeling a little sad now, because really traditionally... uh, the head of state that presides over the european union union, is invited to the session of the european parliament, the first session after the beginning of the presidency, in order to make a keynote speech, in order to communicate with meps, but orbán was not invited to this session, it was done specifically, it was also a signal for orbán that he is not supported here, but so far the european parliament plans that orbán can come here in september, and

this is a very good opportunity. to catch, because if earlier here...