a fine together with deprivation of liberty can also be foreseen, that is, there is still a lot to be done, and it turned out that we really have the ukraine facility plan, an anti-corruption program, which stipulates that the institution of agreements must be improved, but for some reason it will improve it so that the anti-corruption committee of the verkhovna rada, the national anti-corruption bureau, the anti-corruption prosecutor's office, most of the specialists there, experts who work in this field, say that these current norms are harmful, only the people support them deputies and well, a significant part of the accused in top corruption cases, who obviously understand that under such a law, at least tomorrow after it is voted on, they will simply pay a fine, compensate even in full for these losses and have a criminal record for themselves, but without actual deprivation of liberty. mr. vadim, ihor friz, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people and chairman of the subcommittee on activities of justice bodies and penitentiary bodies joins our conversation. mr. igor. congratulations, as far as i understand, you

abstained, you did not vote for this draft law, tell us about the reasons, do you really agree with the anti-corruptionists here, with the fact that this document is such that it can allow corrupt people to simply pay off and that's it. look, the construction that my colleague just voiced is perfectly valid, basically, nothing to add here except a few things. so, in the law enforcement officer's decision. committee, which was submitted for consideration by the members of the verkhovna rada, it was clearly stated that the position should be corrected before the second reading, it was under the transcript is written, corrected position regarding the impossibility of partial compensation for damages, have losses and or damage, if it is established, compensated in full, this is the first and key issue about yurinian facility, our agreement with the european union about our obligations to the european. by the union, regarding the directives

that are responsible for concluding agreements on agreements with the investigation, which should resolve issues, including the prosecution of other accomplices of the relevant crime, as directly stated in our international obligations and documents, and this, in principle, served to support the majority of my colleagues, the specified draft law. let's not forget that the draft law has not been adopted as a whole, and many amendments will be submitted to it... now. there was a proposal to shorten the deadline for submitting amendments, it was not supported by the verkhovna rada, and the deputies will have 14 days to submit the relevant amendments that should apply. most of all, i will submit amendments regarding full compensation, regarding the conclusion of such contracts exclusively for conditions, if such whistleblowers of corruption will not be the leaders of this top, but people who will be able to discover and bring to justice. of other persons, this

is a key, well, in the world, it is a key feature when such agreements are concluded with the aim of not extending the investigation period, not spending the funds of the state and society, the court, and this is exactly what is with the general idea, plus, let's not to forget that here we do not have a question in this draft law, even in this version, which is so violently discussed by society, there is no question of automatic release of corrupt persons from punishment, whether for particularly serious corruption crimes or from corruption. the concession establishes an additional requirement, an additional obligation to pay a fine, and the amount of this fine will also be regulated before the second reading, believe me, these will be considerable fines, and plus what my colleague voiced is the issue of her punishment below, that is, sanctions below the lower bar, and not the automatic release of such people from punishment, society must also prove this, because everyone somehow thought that if paid a fine, then you will leave immediately, firstly... it must be stated in the agreement,

secondly, it has a solution, it must satisfy the prosecutor's office, the prosecutors and it must satisfy the court, that is, it is not such a simple story, that you paid, well, checked out and left the store, having paid for your corruption offenses, as if, you know, with such cashback, you received, paid money, received cashback in the form of exemption from punishment, such a thing will not happen, and i am sure that today, when society reacted so vividly to these events, it is absolutely... zero tolerance, as we all see corruption, i am sure that people's deputies, they will make well-considered decisions, and all the demands voiced by our international partners, and corruption and anti-corruption bodies, and the public, will be implemented in the body of the bill before the second reading, and it is not necessary, it is not necessary to say now that it is already ready for implementation, mr. igor, but if it were not for the public outcry, the deputies

would have paid attention. directly during the voting, which is a remark of the anti-corruption committee. by the way, it is not a general comment on the entire bill, but on a separate rule, which is precisely related to the absence of this prosecution of this whistleblower, who is required to reveal other persons, accomplices of the specified crime, mr. vadim, then there will be no problems, see , and mr. ihor says that he will submit these amendments, and you heard that there will be no problems with what, what kind of amendments they will be, after all, and nabu and sap, and the anti-corruption committee. here , society as well will achieve its goal, and this draft law will appear unconscious for all the anti-corruption specialists there who are engaged in this and for society, which , after all, does not want top-corruptors to easily evade and nevertheless bear responsibility

for their actions? well, it is obvious that after that public publicity, i think that there will be a public reaction from our international partners, it will be a shot in the leg if it is not changed before the second reading. but here for i still don’t fully understand why serhiy is the author of this draft law, well, something when there, well, the cabinet of ministers is obviously there, when this draft law was being developed, by the ministry of justice, they understood that all these problems were there at the beginning, why before the first reading just such a project was submitted to the committee, although everyone understands that these norms are harmful, they must be changed, we will definitely change them before the second reading, and the deputies there understood this, that is the biggest issue, and... in combination with the fact that they wanted a shortened procedure, so that as early as next week to vote, the second reading, mr. stamganchuk, for example, proposed to vote without discussion, the fathers things, well, suggest that they still wanted to quickly adopt something that would be beneficial, well, we understand who the key beneficiary of such a revision of the current

law is, tell me who, specify, there are surnames in anti-corruption cases, mr. bakhmatyuk, who is the organizer of a big case worth more than a billion. and our fines will be 200 plus million hryvnias, so mr. kolomoiskyi, who, under article 191, is a corruption crime, is currently sitting in has been in the detention center of the sbu for almost a year. there are other people there from odesa, businessmen, kaufman and borakovich, who are also, well, completely eligible as organizers of corruption crimes, especially serious, now without exposure, to receive a suspended sentence, well , that is, everyone understands that it will be beneficial for everyone to pay these people for. .. even full compensation, even triple some kind of compensation there and receive a suspended sentence, well , that is, what they don’t want is to go for it, even if they are forbidden there for the rest of their lives to hold any government positions and participate in tenders, they are also similar to this, the main thing is not to go to the institution of execution of the contract. mr. igor, tell us

how the parliament works today and why it happens that nabu, sap, the anti-corruption committee point to problem areas, but the draft law still gets through. hall and the majority votes for him, then there are people's deputies from the people's servants, your colleagues, who say, and we apologize, but we did not know, that is, only after public publicity do the people's deputies generally understand what they voted for, well, since you abstained, i understand that you knew more and probably read the document before the vote, but still explain how it happens, if the government bill, is there some kind of, well, not an instruction, but an advice or a request from the leadership of the faction, for example, to support such. the draft law, and therefore the deputies simply support it without even reading the document and that's all. you know, yesterday the law under consideration was bill 10242, it was a bill authored by people's deputies, which established additional criminal liability for unauthorized access

to electronic public registers, these registers property rights, registers of legal entities, and such responsibility was established in the amount of four to six years for unauthorized access, and in the draft law that... authorized access, not a word was said, i submitted two amendments that established that such authorized access is to avoid precisely these moments of corruption, when they will try to hold you accountable for nothing or solve issues so as not to be held accountable. i specifically went to the podium, took a break with a substitute for a performance and for three minutes he explained to the deputies that the specified norms are absolutely meaningless, they cannot be accepted, they must be categorically supported by the amendments, or... support the law. 3 minutes of time was spent, everyone listened, 190, it seems to me, two men ignored this speech and supported a law that is absolutely no less harmful than the one we are talking about today. therefore , to talk about who votes, how, why people vote, without understanding their own, without understanding,

without reading and without delving into the fact that the specified norms entail the lives and destinies of people, it is difficult for me to explain and why... maybe it happened at the committee, it seems to me that in such new novellas of such legislation as the agreement with the investigation, which in fact has been used for many years, remember knyazev. there in his criminal proceedings there was an agreement with the investigation, i think, with his lawyer, er, exactly, an anchor, which drew certain consequences to the head of the supreme court, so it has already become a practice, just now it would aim to find its legal reflection, and if such interesting bills come in, to me it seems that the participation of the anti-corruption bodies of navusapu directly in the meeting of the committee, at which relevant decisions are made and the draft decision of which can... immediately outline those changes that will be adopted before the second reading, it would actually

be much more correct and reassuring and society and would immediately give narratives to people's deputies about what will be changed and what kind of trouble they have gotten themselves into. mr. igor, of course, this is not such a comparison, but still in the journalistic editorial office, when we discuss about some topics, we listen to the arguments and understand when the whole picture is ready to start preparing this or that topic, and you describe the work in the parliament like this, and in principle people see it, how it happens, that not all deputies , and you confirm this, they generally understand what they are voting for, but still i will repeat my question, is there such a practice that, for example, the leadership of the faction recommends voting, i don’t know, somewhere in the chats or how it happens , or if it is a government project, then it means by default we we will support it, and therefore the deputies do not even need to read what they are voting for, by default we support the documents that came out. from the committee, that is, it is not a question of the faction, it is a question of the work of the committees of the verkhovna rada, and

if the committees made the appropriate decision either in support or not in support of this draft law, then it is precisely the deputies, taking into account the expertise of the members of the committee in one or another direction, who make the appropriate decisions, i well, in most draft laws, it is possible to independently assess certain risks and to make somewhat atypical decisions, such as yesterday's decision to increase. excise tax on fuel, i did not vote for this law. mr. vadim, i have a question for you based on your information, how is this work going and why did the people's deputies in the hall vote for it, how critical is it, let's put it this way, if there are errors, these problematic moments will still be corrected, how does it work today the parliament, really on some advice there, on the advice of the committee or the leadership of the faction, and why did it happen that it was necessary to have a whole day of such a public resonance in order for the deputies to realize some of what they voted for. and they even admitted that they no longer support such a bill, well, there is no uniform

practice here, but for such important bills that are part of the european integration ukraine facility, which is a program worth 50 billion, and in fact i am determining whether will provide us with funds in the future and in what amount, it is obvious that all players are involved in this process, starting with the cabinet of ministers, the ministry of justice, which the relevant body in this case and ending with... the president's office, the managing deputies in this case, i think mr. tatarov was involved, let's say, in this project, and we are talking about the committee, not some ephemeral committee, there is the head of this committee serhii anushovyts, who in principle conducts the entire process, let's say this, and what i already said, that the committee met there very quickly, made a decision, the next day of voting, let's go right away according to the shortened procedure, and let's go without discussion, that's all despite the fact that there was a plan, still in my opinion, to carry out such a revision very quickly, and all the professional lawyers there who

prepared this project understood the consequences, and again, who will be the ultimate profiteer, that is, with the right the idea is that the institution of agreements really needs to be improved, and it is not so much necessary for europe as for us, because we see these multi-year lawsuits that can end in nothing, but really often it is good to conclude an agreement, and the person will give incriminating statements there, as it is... in the same case princes, but it worked out there, because the lawyer was a serious, not a particularly serious crime, now there is something to improve, by the second reading i am sure that the deputies have no other choice but to change it and make a normal edition, by the way alternative projects from the normal edition, in my opinion, especially where the authorship of ms. zastinova and deputy yurchyshyn seems to be from the voice, well, that is, you just need to compare these texts, bring the normal norms together and then, well... there will be no objection, if from this they won't do it, well then it is obvious that the level of social negativity

and rejection of the activity, including of the parliament, can result in very negative and bad consequences, i hope that the people's deputies are well aware that this should not be done, mr. ihor has already promised that he will submit edits and will deal with them, voiced which edits, thank you gentlemen for participating, vadym valko, lawyer of the anti-corruption center and ihor friz, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people were guests of this program, thank you. so, we talked about whether corrupt officials will be able to pay off prisons, and what are your thoughts on this and did you support this public outcry, or did you really have it? shocked by such norms of this draft law, share your thoughts and impressions in the comments below this video, and i would like to remind you that freedom of morning is with you every weekday from 9 o'clock on the air of the tv channel and on youtube on the radio liberty channel. thanks for watching, thanks for commenting and supporting us, have a nice day and see you soon. in... attention, a good offer.

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in short it should be called the introduction of medieval practices in ukraine in heaps. self-indulgence, then suddenly everyone spoke up, minister of justice malyuska says, i am in favor of a public compromise, regarding the draft law, it is like a public compromise, well, congratulations, mr. mykhailo, we do not hear you, we see, but we do not hear, and something related , we ask you to fix it, and i hear you, everything is fine, so tell us about the indulgence. congratulations, firstly, this is the experience not only of ukraine, the united states, many european countries, but secondly, ukraine already has such a practice. which exists today when the suspect makes a deal with the investigation and pays a certain amount to the front, and thus

he, the court takes this into account, and he receives a conditional sentence with a delay in execution, yes, but what was proposed in the first reading is conditional for the people like this: stole from the state million. return a million, pay a fine of at least 10 million, and there is a scale, and you have a criminal record without the right to continue to hold any public or responsible positions in the direction where you worked, that is, it says its first reading, and also its main one, i can, as a law enforcement officer to say, the main thing in the investigation of economic or corruption crimes... is the percentage of compensation for damages, yes, how much was stolen, how much was returned, which is today, from 15 to 20% of compensation for damages for these

crimes, that is, conditionally stole a billion, entered into an agreement with investigation, donated a million, and either left, or even worse, did not reimburse anything, because you have no property, went to prison, they gave eight years, served. four, behaved well, returned, and the billion in offshore, as it was, remained as it was, zero in the budget, because of that, the task was this idea, which proposed by international partners to make e-e legislation based on the example of european, there american, but i emphasize once again, the discussion continues, i also have many questions about this legislative initiative, and now we have the opportunity, as for the second reading... of it to improve it so that it is actually a better model of european and american legislation, and on the other hand, so as not to open another

corruption component, because the way it is, we know that there you have to pay others to solve the issue, it seems to be transparent here, stole returned and paid 10 times more, selling everything you have, and if you don't have, then borrow, mr. mykhailo, this formula sounds good, but one... look, i continue to quote the minister of justice, he says that this the institution of agreements is literally a thing, very unethical, but super effective in the right hands, the key word is the right ones, because we always find the wrong ones just in search of the right hands, so i agree, any law, it is like a pillar, or it went and hit its head , and if you are more cunning and wiser, then you will pass. what is now is being decided everyone, i will not name the structures that are also involved, and this money, which should be returned, stolen from the budget, goes to

specific people, we see how almost every week they are detained even from the office of the general prosecutor, those who they take bribes conditionally for such things, because of that there is a discussion, you know, it is nice that civil society already has a heightened sense of... justice for such things, especially with regard to corruption, i agree, but here it is not the right option, who stole and was imprisoned for life, forgive me, there are such figures who are ready to steal million, to go for life, and then it will somehow happen, all his money is unknown for whom and where it works, here the task is, as the international partners say about it, billions of sums are stolen from the budget, and supposedly someone is detained, but there is no money. the main task is to return the stolen goods and make sure that the person who ordered the tenth order does not steal, and the next thing is that he never has the right to work in

any state structures where there is even the slightest possibility of engaging in corruption crimes, but i also emphasize that i do not want to quote the minister of justice, i have him one's personal relationship, as with a lawyer, but this with the hands is really bad, well... we will discuss one more bill, the council decriminalized theft in the amount of up to 300 hryvnias, i have a question for you as a lawyer, how was this amount determined, why it increased, and one more question, how will they determine the amount of the thing that was stolen, for example, well, it is obvious that there, for example, just imagine an old phone. or, for example, stolen documents, how to evaluate them? yes, thank you, well, for this there is a commodity examination that determines the amount stolen, what was the idea? we

we see that today for 700 hryvnias, for example, they are sent to prison and they do not always compensate for the damages, the task is that, first of all, they are sent to prison, and society keeps him there, he left, served time and somewhere approximately according to different calculations, from 70 to 80% of those who have already visited places of deprivation of liberty at least twice, returning again does the same thing, the task of unloading places of deprivation of liberty... but increasing the amount of fines, i.e. stole a mobile phone worth uah 700, which was assessed by the expert service , please, return the stolen amount and more to the person pay a fine of uah 400 to the budget and you have a clear criminal record, that is, but you do not go to prison, as it was before, because some of those who returned stole something again just

to return to that environment. they feed him, sometimes they also give him work and pay him minimally for it, and if you are interested in your opinion on this initiative announced by the government, it means that we have already raised excise taxes, and this will entail a certain increase in prices, this has already been explained to us in various sectors of the economy, and now they are still preparing to raise some taxes, i i understand that the amount that the government sees as an additional 140 billion is very much needed by us, but on the other hand, is it okay? will people pull such things? thank you, well, first of all, you and i did not raise it, because i did not vote, and you were against the rise, they raised for us, without asking, the fact that they are now in the government discussing raising many types of taxes, by the way, even there they also plan

to increase the amount of carbonated water that contains sugar. that the water is to blame, and i don’t know, probably they are fighting so that ukrainians consume less sugar, no one consulted with the verkhovna rada, to the extreme, our faction, i personally heard this for the first time from the government, they decided so, they believe that taxes should be raised, i understand that more money is needed for the defense security sector, but which taxes should be raised in which area and with whom they consulted , today is a big question mark, it is not possible... to simply raise taxes to the ceiling, because there is no money in the budget, we still have to think about how to collect them and whether the producer of one or another industry will be able to pay that tax today and not close the business or industry? there is a big question: the question is, on the one hand, that the government blamed the fact that the hole in the budget was growing, and when the budget was approved, they always said that everything was fine with us, and on the other hand, that we had to get this

money somewhere. by way of tax is an option, but it is far from the best, well, but they will be forced to come to, i mean government officials, to the parliament and explain to you why and how it will be good and effective, that is, it should be some kind of government-parliamentary battle, in we have half a minute, but definitely, today also in an hour for questions to the government, we want to ask them, including on this topic, although the topic completely different, energy security, and and but on the other hand, well... it is necessary to consult, it is necessary to consult, so that both the whole parliament knows, and the leaders on the ground and those real representatives of the industries on which they want to impose responsibility through the imposition of an additional tax, know the issue yes, but we must remember our soldiers, soldiers for the security sector, mr. mykhailo, thank you for being with us, good work today, tough questions, you are a government official, mykhailo tsimbalyuk, people's

deputy of ukraine. the bell has already rung, which means that it is not time to go to the session hall, but this also means time for news. yes, it's true, our colleague khrystyna parobiyzha is ready to tell all the relevant information. christ, good morning again. this issue has been prepared with new information. i will tell about the situation in the ukrainian regions after the russian shelling in the issue, as well as what is exploding in the occupied luhansk. about all this in a moment, wait. news on espresso, i'm khrystyna parubiy, i'll tell you about the two most current things at the moment.