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is extremely important. in the meantime, we are adding to the conversation the analyst of the stockholm center for the study of eastern europe, andres umland, in connection with us, mr. andres, we are pleased to welcome you. thank you for the invitation. you know, because yesterday there were a lot of quotes about chancellor scholz, because he had to fend off the opposition for quite a long time, which said to immediately give planes to support the armed forces of ukraine. again. the same heavy and accurate weapons came out and tauris, that's why scholz once again had to renounce everything, including missiles and airplanes, and let's just say, after the nato anniversary summit, why does such zeal and stubbornness continue? well, apparently, i already said about it even on your channel, that the biggest factor here

is simple fear of russia, and for some reason , german society now has such a vision that this is how we support ukraine. also heavy weapons, but we cannot, we cannot give these taurus missiles to ukraine, because then germany will become a part of this war, it will involve germany in war and this turns the war into a nuclear war, you told us this to our viewers, but now there is an upgrade, now there is still such a concept that we do not see the possibility of giving permission to strike with german weapons on the territory of the russian federation. so what are the updates in this situation? unfortunately, this is also a popular thesis in german society, it is also the same, that is, again there is an opinion that this will involve

the germans in this war, if german weapons are used there on the territory of the russian federation, this means that germany will become part of this war. and it's the same here opinion, well, it should be said here that germany has not given such a significant long-range weapon to ukraine so far, that is, in fact, it is not so important what they think about this issue to germany, because germany does not give planes, does not give long-range weapons. rockets, that's why there are these mars rockets, these such weapons, but it's also not decisive, let's say, such questions, that's why it's probably symbolic has such a meaning, that

's what scholz said, yes, but in this case, how far now the ruling team is in favor of such theses, which, for example, for... no for others, i am just for example a member of the committee on foreign relations of the netherlands, theis roten, well, he clearly says that in order to end the war, it is necessary to arm ukraine, well, such a simple formula, the father's formula turns out to be very complicated for some reason in berlin, yes, unfortunately, again, it must be said that here scholz and other politicians who, if they say something about that... they believe that this reflects, as it were, public opinion in germany, and that it is necessary to say so, and therefore, well, here is a more difficult problem, it is not it's just a question here in sholka, ugh, that is

in fact, it is a problem then rather with, let's say, public views, and they are hostages. despite the fact that they have good and operational information about the course of the russian-ukrainian war, there is one more point, it is also connected precisely with public sentiment, or something like when germany says that next year it will cut aid to ukraine in half. yes, it also surprised me that such a situation has now arisen, it is connected with the fact that germany has at the constitutional level... objections to debts , and that is, germany cannot take on debts there in such are the times of the war, and it so happened that when everyone counted everything there, all the internal expenses, there remained these 4 billion for

ukraine, and it is less than this year, in the 24th year, and now. this situation, even in germany they say that of course there is other german money that goes to ukraine through the european union, a large part of the money that ukraine will receive from the european union is de facto german money, because germany has the largest economy , well, there is also an argument that ukraine will also have... other money from these frozen russians of money, and that's why it's not like that, not how much will be needed to be given from the national budget

of germany for ukraine, well, that's the excuse, i'm just telling you how it is presented in germany, there is another one in ukraine. difficulty in relations with the european union, it is called hungary. denmark has already joined the boycott of eu council meetings during the presidency. hungary, but germany also says that it will join such a conditional protest, do you think it will help, it is, as i understand it, a rather radical diplomatic step, yes, but it is still a demarche, not concrete actions, even though fizo also said, oh, oh, uncle orban, i'm with you, well, yes, unfortunately, these are only symbolic such actions, they... if they were made in order for some message to communicate, the problem

is that when, let's say, the last lisbon, the lisbon agreement, the constitution of the european union was adopted, it was simply not foreseen that there would be any country within the european union that would depart from the basic values ​​of the european union. which will become an autocracy, an authoritarian regime, which will become there will conduct its own anti-european, one might say, anti-western policy there, which will cooperate with totalitarian regimes there, as in russia or china, well, if this were all , if it were not, it was impossible to imagine then, and now there are no tools to ... or there are not enough tools to create some kind of discipline for hungary, and that's why

they are now looking for some, well, other ways to solve it, well, i'm afraid that there really should be, let's say, well, stop, well, to there was no more economic support. support for hungary, then, apparently, it will change its course without any such very decisive actions, orbán will continue to behave like this, well, you see, european folklore tells us that there is no european family without orbán, so the saying goes. i tell us, and i also want to return to the situation in germany, the things that are happening are very important to us, i mean in ukraine and the armed forces, when in ramstein we... cooperate with ukroboronprom, this is all very important, except

such a single moment, there are already many stories, actually russian influences through agents, including among german citizens on the territory of germany, and these are contract killings, and arson, and these extreme ones, which were when they were preparing an assassination attempt on the ceo of the defense company rein mettal, or in germany... strengthen counter-subversive and counter-fessional, georgian for the measures, can the russians continue to do what they want to do, smoke there, and there kill our soldiers who are being treated, or ukrainian citizens who were given asylum by germany, yes, this is a very shameful story, and it is also a consequence of the fact that many years, well, russia was not perceived as the german enemy, the german state by the state

and the special services, and therefore all this is now being reevaluated, and there are also such problems, specific problems in germany, that there are many immigrants from the former soviet union, there are certain old structures in eastern germany, we had it there the mgb is the ministry of state security, which was, well, the east german version of the kgb, and there is a suspicion that there are also some old connections there, now there is also a problem that new refugees, there is also a suspicion that there is something else there there are already hundreds of thousands of new refugees, among them there may be russian agents, and nime. of course it is in the center of russia's attention, it is the most powerful economy

in europe and it plays a big role in the european union, if there are changes in the united states now, it will generally turn out that germany will be the leader of the western heart of europe. and anti-putin such resistance, but i am not talking about whether the number of veterans in the stasi increased, or what the russians themselves said, under the guise of being good russians. who are running around putin, we will stuff a lot of grushniks, fesshniks into germany, this is not now about this, i was actually asking about the fact that i was watching cnn, it's american, in fact, the intelligence about armin paperger informed the german side about this attempt that was being prepared, so i'm actually about whether there is any reinforcement, because here

the americans found out, which means the german security service proclaimed it. it looks like this , and as i said, it's all very shameful, well , in general, i think germany, it just has such a tradition, after the second world war, that all these military issues, security issues, if they were not at the center attention, and well germany has positioned itself as such a force for peace, there is a balance, and that it... in this way also cannot be the target of such operations, which russia is currently conducting against germany, and therefore our bodies, they are simply not prepared for this situation, this is also a consequence of the fact that since the 14th year in germany

they have misunderstood this war, which began in the 14th year and that this war, or... earlier there it began with the russian-georgian war, and that is why , unfortunately, we , not yet ready for it, mr. andres, thank you for being with the audience spressa, andres umlan, an analyst at the stockholm center for the study of eastern europe, and kateryna rashevska, a lawyer at the public organization regional center for human rights, are already in touch with us, mrs. kateryna, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, and we are taking the number here, the figure is sad, no, it may be joyful for the parents of the 758 ukrainian children who were returned from the territory of the russian federation, sad, because it is a very small percentage of everything that russian terrorists have done, to us at least approximately the number the number of kidnapped ukrainian children who are mistaken for russian imperialists is known, i

would even divide them here, you understand, because the number of those whom they kidnapped. and the number of those they flash are two separate numbers. we know and have identified 20 thousand, about 20 thousand, 19,546, those whom they deported or forcibly relocated. but more than 1 million, even 1.6 million, almost two, are under the control of the russian federation in the occupied territories, they go to so-called re-education camps every literally three weeks, where they re-stitch, where they will participate in jumping with a parachute. to control drones, to obey russian criminals who took part in the so -called special military operation, i.e. aggression against ukraine, and all this cumulative effect of reflashing, from washing cities, in general amounts to mental torture, i.e. a crime against humanity, ugh, but i understand , that the history of mankind already has some

experience, unfortunately, it is so terrible, i mean about kidnapping, that is... reflashing, but we remember our stories, how cossacks were reflashed in the ottoman empire children, and on the janissary, but in this case, is there at least some formula worked out for the future, that is, i don't know how it's re-flashed, we will have to unstitch them, decode them, or whatever, do we have any plans worked out for the future, programs, in my opinion. they generally determine that this repriming, the repriming of the townspeople, according to the assessment of neuropsychologists, according to the assessment of psychotherapists in general, has a rather individual effect, that is, it does not depend on how long the child was under the control of the russians, what her age is, what her gender is, what she used to be, what her previously there was upbringing, the upbringing environment,

the family, that is, it will all be individual, and it is impossible to invent such a pill that would treat... every ukrainian child who suffered from russian re-education, which now has a significant, militarized component. this militarization is not for nothing. at the international level, it is forbidden to turn children into soldiers, and here not only because they can take an active part in armed conflict, but also because of the long-term negative consequences for their development. i i want to emphasize that any militarization of education, any politicization of education, is already recognized in the context of the russian federation. a violation of the un convention on the rights of the child, that is, how we will respond to such a large number of children who have been reflashed, this should be decided today, and in fact to me. it is known that we are also developing a so-called cognitive de-occupation strategy at the state level, that is, we are not sitting idly by and waiting, at the level of non-governmental

organizations, which are now the first care for children after their return, there are also certain approaches that are quite individual, both through the trauma-oriented approach and through the forgiveness-oriented approach, that is, there are many different strategies that are used in order to return the children to a normal life as soon as possible, although the russian... the federation, its propaganda, unfortunately, are very successful in keeping them as far away from this return as possible, and one thing is such a humanitarian de-occupation of human souls, children in this sense, and the second, the second a question that is actually very painfully perceived by society, why such crimes still remain unpunished, the russians state directly that they adopt ukrainian children, a bunch of children were taken out of mariupol, even there in... russian influencers, public figures, adopt ukrainian children and popularize it business, which influence, what means of influence are there

to stop it? the first means of influence in this case may be sanctions, various types of bans that will be introduced, either at the level of ukraine or at the level of the european union, which is at the level of the united states of america, various other states, it is not because these parents. influencers, as you called them, will cross the borders of these countries, or have various kinds of economic restrictions, this is to demonstrate to them that sanctions can be followed by criminal liability. we need to settle some issues at the national level, in particular to ratify the rome statute, i am sure that everyone is well aware that the president's office has also announced that they plan to do this by the end of the year, it will be very a decisive step to punish political indoctrination and militarization. in partnership with other organizations, we are preparing re-education, discriminatory,

all persons must bear responsibility, russian so-called adoptive parents must be warned that either they voluntarily turn to the competent authorities of their own or ukrainian authorities and return our children, and... they will be punished, there is no other alternative option for them, well, actually, here, even if their pilots, pilots are looking for some places to fade away, hide in south america, argentina is popular with them, like the german nazis of the second world war, at least those who are now boasting, they have already been identified, so ms. katerina, very important words you said, they should hear it and to understand, thank you, narashevska, a lawyer of the regional human rights center, was in touch with us, they talked about the terrible problem of the russian-ukrainian war, the abduction of ukrainian

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