uh, before we start our conversation and start our traditional friday journalist club, let's start with today's rather sad news, because iryna farion was shot in lviv in the evening, she is in a serious condition, in the hospital, in intensive care, in near the scene of the incident, in fact , where the shooting took place and... and where the attempt was made on iryna farion is our colleague, journalist emma stadnyk, emma, ​​i congratulate you, please tell me the details of what is happening now, what, what, what is on masaryk street now where it was committed attempt on iryna farion. serhiy studiya, i congratulate you, in this residential quarter, today, july 19... a shot was probably

aimed at iryna farion, a public figure and ukrainian linguist, just as she was approaching her house, a shot rang out, and accordingly , at this loud sound, neighbors and residents of this building, it is known that they informed the relevant services, in particular the police and the ambulance, about the incident, iryna farion was hospitalized in one of the local hospitals, now she is in in a serious condition, it should be noted that an investigative search team is currently at the scene of the incident in the house, in particular, the law enforcement officers are talking to the representatives, i apologize, the law enforcement officers are talking to the neighbors and residents of this building who could have seen this incident, we are not allowed to the scene, it blocked off with a tape, we also talked to neighbors and eyewitnesses, they told us that for more than a week here to this house, to the entrance of iryna farion, he was coming... he looks

about 18-25 years old, he attracted attention by the fact that he was dressed very specifically and strangely, because the temperature outside was nominally + 38°, he was dressed in a long sweater , a long-sleeved sweatshirt with a hood, in sports clothes, and he also had sunglasses on his face, which they practically covered his face, neighbors came up to him, talked to him, asked what exactly he was doing here, however... as of now , that's all we know. serhiy, the studio, i give the floor to you. thanks, emma, ​​that was emma stadnyk, our correspondent who is on the ground events where iryna farion was shot today, zelenskyi has already reacted to the attempt on farion, the attack on the former people's deputy, qualified as attempted murder, and this was announced by the ministry of internal affairs, and the president of ukraine.

said that all the necessary forces of the national police of ukraine and the security service of ukraine are deployed to establish the circumstances of this crime, doctors are fighting for the life of iryna farion, volodymyr zelenskyy wrote on social networks, and the head of the ministry of internal affairs, ihor klymenko, said that the attack on farion, a qualified intentional homicide, police, other necessary services are working at the scene of the shooting, have witness statements, are processing data from cameras, video surveillance, according to him... crime detection is in an active phase, well olga and lariso, we have a rather difficult situation when one of the leaders of the all-ukrainian association svoboda is being shot, being shot in lviv, and she is demonstrably shot, she is now, iryna fariv is currently in intensive care, of course there is little information now about what, why, what the motives are, but let's try... to understand what

is happening in the country , why, why are they shooting at political leaders, because iryna farion is a political leader, freedom and a fairly well-known politician, larisa, what do you think this story can be connected with and why, why is it unfolding like this, we see how there is some evidence that that they had been watching for a long time, some guys were watching there in order to shoot at irina. who did iryna farion interfere with, if not the russians, well, i would like to add this, but still, in my opinion, it should not be considered a political attempt, because it is not a matter of political activity iryna farion, although she is a well-known outstanding politician, it is rather aimed precisely at the fact that she is a politician of the right-wing movement, she is a carrier, and none of us doubts that absolutely the world... the right of ideology, she

preaches it, she stands on these basically, she is a symbol of this ukrainian right-wing, how about zahy'? language, culture, i.e. there own, we do not give ratings now, and it is obvious that as a figure who is very important to the right-wing idea, when she becomes the object of such an attack, it is done in order to fan certain moods in society, and if we look at it from the point of view of definitions for this whole history, then we have a direct relationship, that is, it is political, it is a political act, it is terrorism. and terrorism, let me remind you that by definition, terrorism is an audacious, senseless, act of violence, an act of aggression against innocent people who, in principle, well, iryna farion does not lead anything, she does not manage anything, and that is, an act of aggression

for to encourage society to do something, so that society begins to put pressure on the authorities for acceptance or rejection. some decisions, any terrorist act is not only an act of violence, it is also an act of information company and other incitement of sentiments that follows this act of violence, so in this case we still need to see what will happen next, which information company will be, because before that we saw a terrorist act, this is an attack on an ahmadiyyat, also a senseless act of violence, and after that we saw a clearly planned information company, now there will be an information company. and in my opinion, when we come across this, this, this classic terrorist act, this is not an assassination attempt, and not even an attempted political assassination, we are immersed in terrorism, russia is waging a terrorist war here, and we should pay attention to the informational component itself,

because how to fight terrorism in the world, find where , how a young man would pick up a gun or plant a bomb for what reason is very difficult, but... if terrorists cannot spread their narratives about why they commit such a murder, then in principle the meaning of a terrorist act disappears, that is why in many countries interviews are prohibited from terrorists, to spread information, they can't even just publish their manifesto on the internet somewhere on the darknet , yes, but no, we have to pay attention to the terrorist component, which is the information component in our society, because that's what now... it is happening when we actually have information, information has almost become a tool for controlling the masses, well, we have played our part in this ourselves. thank you, larisa, olga, it all happened and happened in lviv, until now we understand, and we understand now

we understand that for russians, lviv is a city where there are monuments to stepan bandera, where there are shukhevych streets, that is, they are simply triggered, remember? when the shaheds flew to the shukhevych museum estate in lviv, it was also such a revealing act when they ransacked this museum. now, what can we say in this situation, how it was done, and well, obviously there ears are sticking out to the russians in this act of terrorism, and what, what can we see in... in the information component, which larisa already mentioned after this everything well, for now, of course, it is difficult to say anything, in terms of what we will see, i agree with larisa, this will be a post, it should unfold further, we will see some leaks later, who it is, what it is, why it will all

be, a very small percentage that it's some kind of personal dislike, i think it's very little , it's very low. so, here you have to understand a little bit, if you look at this broader picture, then yes, it is absolutely included in the russian terrorist campaign that they are conducting, moreover, it is included in how they understand themselves a way of destabilizing the internal situation, and from this point of view, well, then it becomes clear why farion is not an absolutely real person who is a practitioner... a politician who affects something, i also agree with larisa, but this is a symbol, and if you just understand how the russian propagandists think, how the people who organize all this think, they have the impression that they can organize a clash of some,

as they imagine, extreme right-wing forces from the government, this is what they are trying to provoke. that is, this whole story is in their imagination now there must be something that some people who personify themselves still have. farion, which in, well, from their point of view, well, there are those who support farion, they have to continue to demonstrate an attack on the government, well, that is, some, and we can see it further, we, i think most likely and the whole company will unfold, i.e. further we will see some posts in social networks from some strange people, or from those who fled, but they seem to present themselves as right-wing, we have such, i will not name them now, but i think what you you can remember who it could be, or some pseudo, absolutely such bots there and all, but it

could be such a story, that is, they will talk about the fact that the authorities are literally attacking, this is something, the second fault line, what they can try to do with this is by telling the story that these are some immigrants, or some russian-speaking people, and try to... artificially arrange something, well, that is, i see two possible directions for the development of the information campaign that i spoke about larisa, well, that is where we are now we are in a period of time where the russians are trying to split ukrainian society, to sow some kind of hostility from one part of the people to another, and i think that this will be a provocation of some kind, literally something. networks, throwing information there from various dubious accounts, from various

dubious people, from sleepers, again sleepers of some kind, which, well, maybe they were sitting quietly until now, but now they are becoming more active, well, such a sleeping agency, i think that we are we will see everything from some people who, for example, until now behaved well loyally, and no one would suspect them of such direct cooperation with russia. but what do they have there, well, let's say, sidekicks like that, they cooperated with someone there before everything, but now i think these people are becoming more active with some such and such, literally there, that it is or the government, that there is something specifically there and we need something there don't storm there for a bit and withdraw from the front with all your freedom go storm the bank literally yes or that's all well and the second. that's what i'm saying, well, raskul, that this is literally the answer of russian speakers, and

there, too, i think, some such are becoming more active, but i think that we have to wait for such counter-propaganda measures of the ukrainian authorities, ukraine in these conditions, because it is clear that they will rock this boat against the background of that , what is happening to us now with electricity, in the background of everything... everything, they are trying to electrify society, what can we oppose to this and what should we oppose ? well, look, you and i have already outlined several points of mind to which the appeal will go, so in this case, in any case counter-propaganda must understand what the propaganda is for, what the goal is, not what they say, but why they say it, what action they want to induce the masses to take. and we are talking about the formation of one against the other, the right-wing, therefore the representatives of the same right-wing forces, the same

freedom, must make a statement about clearly defining the aggressor and talking about the danger of any rebellions, any internal disturbances and about revenge, that they will sort it out, that they keep control of this case and what kind of irina farion is in anything in this case, russia receives retribution. right now, if we were to see these shells for iryna farion, right now, this should be, there should be speeches by those who are identified with the same immigrants, that is, with someone who is a refugee in lviv, as lviv is the city that accepted us, and lviv is under threat, because again russia is stirring up mutual enmity here and everything else, that is, these things now, it should not be the government. these should be people, representatives, symbols of the same communities. well, against the background of

what happened today in lviv, of course the current government also adds various topics in order to make society restless, and we will talk about it now, because with the story with irina farion, there will obviously be a continuation, and we will monitor on our broadcast the details of how this case will move, how it will be to move this investigation. regarding the terrorist act, regarding the attempted murder of iryna farion, this week, yesterday, the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted draft law number 11300 . it is about the fact that people who will be caught in corruption can pay some kind of contribution to the state and turn in their accomplices there and get out of the impact of the judicial and

investigative legislation of the entire component, the chairman of the board of the anti-corruption center vitaly shabunin believes that this draft law. .. will allow corrupt people to legally buy themselves out of prison, i will quote mr. shabunin: you, people's deputy, or ministers, you were taken for a bribe, no problem, you paid the fine, compensated for the losses, go all out, have fun, you don't need prison, even confiscation will be an option, well, taking into account the fact that mono-power implies mono-responsibility, and mono-power also implies a monopoly on practically all acts of corruption that take place in the state, it is about... it is about the fact that the servants of the people actually create a mechanism, for which they can pay a ransom when they are caught for corruption, and in this way live peacefully, it is interesting that the detectives on busap were all against this, representatives of the committee on law enforcement activities say that

this is a norm, as it were, that the europeans insist on, and it is necessary for joining the european... union, but i don't think that vitaly shabunin would write about the fact that this bill is terrible, so that our western partners would be satisfied such a bill, against the background of all these corruption scandals that arise and explode almost every week in our country, and the representatives of the ukrainian authorities are tangential to them, what do you, colleagues, think, whether this bill... can become the one that is the one that will trigger ukrainian society, because everyone they understand that there is a war, that corrupt officials, as they were, will remain in ukraine, that bribes, as they were, will remain, and this too cannot be satisfied by society, which will pay a high price for the war with russia and for the defense

of ukrainian independence, ola, well, we were just talking about the fact that... russia is generally carrying out terrorist attacks in various spheres in order to destabilize ukrainian society, but it seems to me that in parallel, well, probably people who work in the same direction together with russia, because even i can't understand it otherwise, conduct exactly the same campaign to demoralize society with, well, in essence, they are undermining, well, opportunities for protection. i will explain my opinion, because these are all one law on how to pay off service in the army, another law on how to pay off theft, well, give a share and go for a walk, well, tell me, how should this affect the fighting army, that a part of society that actively helps the front, that 's how it affects everything, i believe that it

affects in such a way that people simply ask themselves the question, wait, and then a... we have to give a lot in order for this the country held its own, here we have our backs, people are paying off themselves perfectly, stealing, paying off and living their best lives, that is, in essence, this is an undermining of the country from the inside and demoralization and undermining, i emphasize once again, not just some kind of corruption, anti-corruption policy, and to shit. sorry, the anti-corruption policy, corruption is not the biggest problem of ukraine, it is the undermining of the ability to protect, to defend, because it simply undermines the morale of the fighting army directly, this is my attitude to this story, because it all goes together one, all these initiatives, they

literally do not let you breathe, every week there is a new stupid initiative, well, in this...initiatives , of course, someone's skillful hand can be traced, because in principle, well, it was possible to predict that this draft law will cause a wide reaction, a big reaction even among active ukrainians, it is not entirely clear what it is needed for, we have in the criminal code the possibility to conclude an agreement with the investigation, there is something else to write out in addition, what if you were caught on the ... radizhka, then you can do something there give it and go for a walk, for what, this, this, this, this is already a real redemption from the fact that they did not conduct an alliance, did not find out at all what the losses were, just some literally, well... exactly what is called redemption, it is directly called redemption, and a whole bunch is created, and redemption, redemption here,

redemption somewhere else, and what is it in general, well , a country of redemption, i would say so, because in principle, what happens in general with these schemes, as people transported abroad, this is also a scheme of buyback from the army, but a shady one scheme that exists in the country. and about which i also think the representatives of the ukrainian authorities know and absolutely know how they, how they transport these people abroad with these beads , well, i think that, for example, this story with this one of the founders of a private bank, it was also made public exactly in this series, this is another one like that you know, one more brick in the same window, but you can just sit in the compartment. to move using someone else's documents and no one does anything, because otherwise i think even the price was called 2000 dollars, it's the same story, just to show that while you're here

you are fighting, here people are hoping there, well , they have redeemed themselves and live, can this lead to the fact that people who fight and people who know the price of life and death, that they can take up weapons. at a certain moment, at a certain stage, and say: listen, well, everyone has already got it, well, it’s not possible, well, not necessarily at this moment, not necessarily in six months, but after the end of the war, they will say, listen , we are so tired of living, because while we fought for 2.5 or three years, people packed themselves, bought themselves houses, rested abroad, bought themselves tickets to the west, like god. because then they will return, they will claim the same thing again. well, the fact is that this is a very important question, who is it aimed at? yes, it is aimed at those, at the division of those who fight and

those who do not fight, for one reason or another. this is not about a confrontation between a conditional military officer and a conditional official, it is a confrontation between a conditional civilian yesterday who fulfilled his duty and came to the central committee. followed the summons, and his neighbor, classmate, and colleague, who at that moment was packing, packing, was bought out and everything else, it is aimed at that, and therefore this feeling of injustice, it is very important for me, for example, i understand why it was accepted, what kind of law it was, there is also part of it, for example, that theft of up to 300 is decriminalized , well, conditionally a person stole 300, give back nine and go for a walk, because it is cheaper to take nine from him than... to already plant and feed him, but when you rush into it, corruption, which, well, you are right in saying the will, is not there , well, because we have it, you can take it, go to an agreement with

the investigation, turn in accomplices, that is, from you they demand a bribe, you can come and report it, get your 10% of the amount ha, everything is beautiful, why was it, why, let's remember that when the law on mobilization was passed, which, by the way, at the beginning madame bezugla and yarahamiya worked on it, they are both. they created a subcommittee and for a long time there, for six months , they studied this issue there, and do you remember why, in parallel, we have an attack on a hostage house, and in the same posts there, well , through the post, they write mobilization in our country, what do you think , if women, for example, were to be mobilized, she threw it in her eyes proposals that she threw them away, and what if they were to be shot, and what else was there, that is , she had them there, well, there was some kind of thrashing going on, well , she is a representative of the authorities who discredited, in this case. we see that we have another process going on in parallel here, apart from the confrontation of those who fight, who do not fight, those who join the struggle for the country and who

tries to avoid it? we have another component here, these are precisely the people who, for example, are our foreign partners, who put forward such demands to us, because we have partly legislation, we know how summonses in our country put you in jail, you who cannot pay for theft. than the one who stole billions, and people know it, they perceive this reality that way, and now they, and there they say, no, listen, it's the western partners, that's what they want, if you want in the eu, then let corrupt people roam around , and people think, why do we need that europe, it doesn't give us anything, here, well, you understand, i'm already getting excited, we already see this company, that you are bad, that europe is bad, that they will be for us indicate whether they are us, that is, it has already gone another element. when the bill on increasing excise taxes on fuel is passed, it too, we, this, we are going to europe, and that is, people who are feeling their wallets now will say,

listen, well, what is europe for us, if we we are all sitting on generators, fuel, excise duty on fuel is being raised by uah 2, by three, by four per liter, and it will still affect products, including the goods and services that we consume, that is, they also say europe, well, you mentioned it about maryana bezuglu, she continues to discredit the already military leadership of the new syrian one, because she is starting to torpedo. this is a political torpedo that simply torpedoes the military leadership of ukraine. i had reserve major general serhiy kryvonos on the air yesterday and he says that criticism of the ukrainian command is an open sabotage against the armed forces of ukraine. let's listen to what general krivonos said. why doesn't mr. zelenskyi shut ms. maryana's mouth, because maryana gets

all of these directly. narratives from the pechersk couples, and this most understandable, and such things, when we hear accusations from the pechersk hillbillies for criticizing the government, for criticizing the leader of the discovery, that these are kremlin operatives, that is maryana, then who is the spearhead of the kremlin, the operatives speak those, but this destroys, systematically, ideological, so wonderful is destroyed in quotation marks of information. on a psychological operation, which is absolutely not in favor of the ukrainian armed forces and the situation inside the country in general. ulyu, can you explain why bezugla is doing this, that is, it is connected with the great public trust in the armed forces, and in this way, this raids, when, when there, when the same people, the same insolence, and the office of the president attacked the hard worker, we said even then that

this is the beginning of the process, this... the beginning of the process is an attempt to eliminate the zsu, to make them unpopular, here they are in reality, they are trying to make the armed forces untrustworthy, that is, they are trying to simply kill confidence in the armed forces during the war, just because it is a threat in the electoral plan, this is first, second, i think, second , there is another thing, because maryana is a lilac. she doesn't just write posts, no, she does much worse, here i am i agree with mr. kryvonos here, because she literally carries out sabotage, she comes into contact with the officers of the armed forces who are fighting , including at the front lines, and she tries to incite them, to oppose the command directly, that is, you understand, that is,

like that. in this way, she is simply trying to destroy the vertical command structure of the armed forces and make some people entrusted to the office of the president of the armed forces, like commissars, you know, but not public because it's well, it's even worse because it's not public, it's not some kind of structure, it's just some individual people. which ms. bezugla incites in personal communication, and it is actually terrible, because it creates, she sows distrust in the units already, it is not between different units, even in the units, in the units to their command, to their subordinates, she tries to demand some information from them , which may be closed, ms. bezugla should not know her and should not slap

people on the screen about her. there later in some such the situation that they come under fire, as she has already done it more than once, that is, she is doing this, she is trying to create some kind of structure of some people within the armed forces, but in these different ones, well, a parallel one, relatively speaking, but again, it is not a leadership the structure, this is the very incitement, because these people do not make decisions, they do not have the authority, it does not empower them with anything, it just sits in their ears and tells them how bad their leadership is, well, this activity can be qualify as subversive activity, that is, it should be like this, this is how the russians work, they work exactly like mrs. bezugla, who gathers people through her telegram channels, you track russian propagandists, their programs, they have been quoting her there for the last week, that syrsky is already ready to sign any capitulation there is something else.