they can try to do something about it by telling the story that these are some immigrants, or some russian-speaking people, and try to arrange this artificially somehow, well, that is, i see two possible directions for the development of the information campaign that larisa spoke about, well, that is, we now we are in a period of time where the russians are trying to... divide ukrainian society, to sow some kind of hatred of one part of the people towards another, i think it will be provoking some literally something in social networks, throwing it there information from various dubious accounts, from various dubious people, from sleepers, again sleepers of some kind, who may have been quietly sitting until now, but now they are becoming more active, well, such a sleeper agency, i think that... we are all we will see from

some people who, for example, until now, behaved quite loyally, yes, and no one could suspect them of such direct cooperation with the russians, but who have, well, let's say, sidekicks like that, there they are with cooperated with someone before, that's all, but now i think these people are active with some such and such, literally there, that it is or the government, that there is something there specifically and... we need to not storm there something there a little bit and withdraw from the front with all your freedom go storm the bank literally yes or that is all and the second is that i say, well, a split, which is literally the answer of the russian-speaking people, and there, too, i think that some such are being activated, but i think that we should wait for such, what could be the counter-propaganda measures of the ukrainian government? in these conditions, because it is clear that

they're going to rock this boat against the backdrop of what's happening to us now with electricity, against the backdrop of everything, they 're trying to electrify society, what can we counter that and what should we counter? well, look, you and i have already sketched out a few points of fault to which the appeal will go, so in this case, in any... counter-propaganda, it is necessary to understand what the propaganda is for, what the goal is, not what they say, but for what do they say, what action do they want to incite the masses to, and we say, the rising of some against others, right-wing, therefore representatives of the same right-wing forces, the same freedom, should make a statement regarding, clearly defining the aggressor and talking about the danger of any... for

mutinies, any disturbances inside and about revenge, that they will sort out that they keep it under control, this case and that for iryna farion in any case russia receives retribution, right now, if we were to see these shells for iryna farion, right now it should be, there should be speeches of the same people who are identified with the same by the immigrants themselves, i.e. with someone who is a refugee in... in lviv, as lviv is the city that welcomed us, and lviv is under threat, because again russia is stirring up mutual enmity here and everything else, that is, these things now, it should not be the government, it should be people, representatives, symbols of the same communities. well, against the background of what happened today in lviv, of course, the current government also adds various topics to make society restless, and we will talk about it now, because with the story of... iryna

farion, there will obviously be a continuation and we we will monitor the details of how this case will move, how it will move, on our broadcast this is an investigation into a terrorist act, into an attempt to kill iryna farion. this week, yesterday, the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted draft law number 11340 on the basis of the agreement with the investigation on the admission of guilt in criminal proceedings under. crimes, there is talk of the fact that people who will be caught in corruption can pay some fee in the state, and turn in their accomplices there, and get out of the impact of the legislation, the judicial and investigative entire component, the chairman of the board of the anti -corruption center vitaly shabunin believes that this one the draft law will allow corrupt officials to legally buy themselves out of prison, i will quote mr. shabunin. are you a people's deputy or a minister, you were

bribed, no problem, paid the fine, compensated for the damage, that's it, go out, have fun, you don't have to go to jail, even confiscation will be an option, well, considering the fact that... what monopolies provide for mono-responsibility, and mono-power also implies a monopoly on all corrupt acts, practically, which take place in the state, we are talking about what the servants of the people actually create a mechanism for which they can pay a ransom when they are caught for corruption, and such a way to live peacefully, it is interesting that the detectives on busap, all were against it. representatives of the committee on law enforcement say that this is a norm, as it were, which the europeans insist on, and it is necessary for joining the european union, but i do not think that vitaly shabunin would write that this bill is terrible ,

so that our western partners would be satisfied with such a bill, against the background of these of all the corruption scandals that occur almost every week. representatives of the ukrainian government who are related to them arise and explode in us, what do you, colleagues, think, whether or not this draft law can become, well, whatever it is, which will threaten ukrainian society, because everyone understands what is going on war, that corrupt officials, as they were, will remain in ukraine, that bribes, as they were, will remain, and society cannot accept this either. which will pay a high price for the war with russia and for the defense of ukrainian independence, ola, well, we just talked about the fact that russia carries out terrorist attacks in various spheres in order to shake ukrainian

society, but it seems to me that in parallel there are probably people who work in the same direction together with russia, because i am different i can't understand it, they are conducting... exactly the same campaign to demoralize society and in fact they are undermining the opportunities for protection, i will explain my opinion, because here is all one law about how to pay off military service, another law, how to redeem from stole, well, give me a break and go for a walk, well, tell me, how should this affect the fighting army, that part. society that actively helps the front, this is how it affects everything, i believe that it affects in such a way that people simply ask themselves the question, wait, and then, what do we have to give a lot in order for this country to hold on, here, behind our backs, people

pay off themselves beautifully, steal, pay off and live their best lives, that is, it is essentially an undermining. demoralization and undermining of the country from the inside, once again i emphasize that it is not just any corruption, anti-corruption policy, and to hell with it, excuse me, that anti-corruption policy, not corruption, is the biggest problem of ukraine, it is the undermining of the ability to protect, to defend, because it simply undermines the morale of the fighting army, directly, that is this is my attitude. of this story, because it all goes one after the other, all these initiatives, they literally do not let you breathe, every week there is a new stupid initiative, well, in these initiatives, you can certainly trace, well , someone’s skillful hand, because in principle, well, this

it was possible to predict that this draft law would cause a wide reaction, a great reaction even among the active ukrainian society, what is it needed for, we have in the criminal code the opportunity to conclude an agreement with the investigation, there is, why should we write out additionally that how did you get caught on theft, then you can give something there and go for a walk, why, this, this, this, this is already a real redemption from not conducting an investigation, not finding out what the losses are, just some literally, well, just like, it's called redeeming, it's directly called pay off and... a whole bunch is created: pay off there, pay off here, pay off somewhere else, but what is it anyway? well, the country is a ransom, i would say so, because in principle , what happens in general with these schemes, how people are transported abroad, is also

a scheme of ransom from the army, but a shadow scheme that exists in the country, and about which i also think , representatives of the ukrainian authorities know and absolutely know how they, how? they transport these people abroad with these beads, well, i believe that, for example, this story with this one, one of the founders private bank it was also made public in this row, this is another one of these, you know, another brick in the same one, when, well , you can just sit in a compartment, move with someone else's documents and no one does anything, because otherwise, i am i think even the price was called 200,000 dollars, that is, it's the same story , just to show that while you are fighting here, people here bought themselves a hop there. can it lead to the fact that people who fight and

people who know the value of life and death, that they can, well, take up arms in some particular moment, at a certain stage, and say: listen, well, everyone has already got it, well, it's not possible anymore, well, not necessarily at this moment, not necessarily there in six months, but after the end of the war they will say, listen, we're so fed up to live, because... while we fought for 2.5 or three years, people packed themselves up, bought houses, vacationed abroad, bought themselves tickets to the west, as god loves them, then they will return, they will claim the same thing again , well, the fact is that this is a very important question, at whom it is aimed, so it is aimed at those, at the division of those who fight and those who do not fight for one reason or another, it is not about protests. a conditional military officer with a conditional official, this is a confrontation between yesterday's conditional civilian,

who fulfilled his duty, came to the tsk, followed the summons, and his neighbor, classmate, and colleague, who at that moment was packing, packing, buying out and everything else, this that's what it's aimed at, and that's why this feeling of injustice is very important, for me, for example, i understand why it was accepted, what kind of law it was. there in part there is, for example, that theft of up to 300 is decriminalized, well, conditionally, a person stole 300, give nine and go for a walk, because it is cheaper to take nine from him than to plant and feed him, but when this is pushed in, corruption, which is what you are you are right, there is no will, because we have it, you can take it, go to an agreement with the investigation, turn in accomplices, that is , they demand a bribe from you, you can come, inform, get your 10%. let's remember that when the law on mobilization was passed, which, by the way, at

the beginning madame bezugla worked on it and arahamia, they both created some kind of subcommittee and for a long time there, for a year and a half, they studied this issue there, and do you remember why, in parallel, there is an attack on a hostage in our country, and in the same posts there, well, through the post in our country , they write about mobilization, and what do you think, if women, for example, are to be mobilized, she threw it out, her suggestions.' the position that she threw them away, and what if they were to be shot, and what else was there, that is, she had them there, well, some kind of slur, well, she is a representative of the government, which discredited. in this case we see that here we have another process taking place in parallel, in addition to the confrontation between those who fight, those who do not fight, those who join the struggle for the country and those who try to avoid it. we have another component here, these are precisely the people who, for example, here... and our foreign partners, who put forward such demands to us, because we have

partial legislation, we know that both summonses in our country and imprisonment , you who can't pay for stealing a bun, he'd sooner sit down than someone who stole billions, and people know it, they are perceive this reality, and now they, and there they say, no, listen, these are the western partners, this is what they want, you want in the eu, so let corrupt people walk around in your country, and people think, why do we need europe, it does not give us , here, well, you understand, this... and immediately it is already spreading, we already see this company, that nato is bad, and europe is bad, that they will indicate to us whether they are to us, that is, it has already gone that one more element, when the bill on increasing excise taxes on fuel is passed and also, we are going to europe, and i.e. people who will now feel it in their wallets and say, listen, why do we need such a europe if we are all sitting on generators, fuel excise tax on diesel fuel. services that

we consume, that is, europe also speaks, well, you mentioned maryana bezuglu, she continues to discredit the already military leadership of the new syrian one, because she is starting to torpedo, this is a political torpedo that simply torpedoes the military leadership of ukraine, in my... reserve major general serhiy kryvonos was on the air and he says that the criticism of the ukrainian command is an open sabotage against the armed forces of ukraine. let's listen to what general kryvan said. why won't mr. zelensky shut the mouth of ms. maryana? because mariana directly receives all these narratives from the pechersk couples, and this is most understandable, and such things, when we hear accusations from the pechersk hillbillies for

criticizing the government, for criticizing the leadership, and shouting that these are kremlin stooges, then. .. maryana then who is the spearhead of the kremlin ruparyta even if they talk, but it destroys, systematically, ideologically, destroys, this is such a wonderful informational psychological operation in quotes, which is absolutely not in favor of the ukrainian armed forces and the situation inside the country in general. olya, can you explain why bezugla is doing this, that is, it is connected with the great public trust in the armed forces, and in this way it is. we said even then that this is the beginning of the process, this is the beginning of the process, an attempt to eliminate the armed forces, to make them unpopular, but they are real, they are trying to make the armed forces

untrustworthy, that is, they are trying to simply kill trust during the war to the armed forces. only because it is a threat in terms of the electoral plan, it is firstly, secondly, i think, secondly, there is another thing, because maryana is crazy, she does not just write posts, no, she does much worse, i agree here with mr. crooked nose, because she literally conducts sabotage, she comes into contact with the officers of the armed forces, who are fighting , including on the front lines, and she tries to incite them, oppose the command directly. that is, do you understand? that is, in this way, she is simply trying to, well, collapse the vertical structure the command of the armed forces and make some people

entrusted to, they believe, the office of the president of the armed forces, literally like commissars. you know such ones, but they are not public, because it is, well, it is even worse, because it is not public, it is not some kind of structure, it is just some individual people who are incited in personal communication by ms. bezugla, and this is terrible in fact, because it creates, it sows distrust in units already, it is not between different even in subunits, in units, to their command, to their subordinates she is trying to demand some information from them, which may be confidential, ms. bezula should not know it and should not talk about it from the screen and then put people there in such a situation that they come under fire, as she has already done more than once , that is , she is doing this, she is trying to create some kind of structure

of some people within the armed forces, but in various of these, well , a parallel one, relatively speaking, but again, this is not a leadership structure, it is this very incitement, because these people do not make decisions, they have no powers, she has them does not grant anything, she just sits in their ears and tells them how bad their leadership is, well, this activity can be qualified as a subversive activity, it is a subversive activity, that is, it should be like that , this is how the russians work, they work exactly like mrs. bezugla, which collects people through its telegram channels, by the way, are you tracking a russian? propagandists, their programs, they have been quoting it there for the last week, that syrsky is already ready to sign any capitulation, there is something else, that is, they are very actively quoting it, that is it became the basis for their propaganda rhetoric, and it is also very dangerous, what is more dangerous than larisa, such activity is not only blunt, because many

public people try to say something, but blunt is probably the most important political activity. peda that i know, well, look, it seems to me, here i want to clarify, in my opinion, this is the danger from the zsu, the popularity of the zsu for the government, as it is electoral - this is the reason explained by the leadership, eh, so that it sincerely thinks that he is protected by his ratings of the country's political leadership, in reality what is happening, here is what olya told us, yes, we all know about such cases, we know about what she does, that is , this is... a parallel structure of commissars, my friends, and this is a century ago, and this we, we saw it, we saw it, that’s it, choosing the commanders of the vote, we... saw it, it’s the collapse of the army, it’s just the collapse of the army, that’s how it was, we lost the country, that is, in fact , the same patterns that are more in kyiv was used against ukraine 100 years ago, they

are using it now, here we see a person, but this is what surprises me about this, why a special agent, why is this possible at all, it's not, nobody is hiding, that's what surprises me, that is, such a bitch, you see, she writes directly, write me here on this phone. he calls, and before that, i remind you, such posts are direct, write to me directly here, names, lists, addresses, wrote this, like him, sasha dubinsky, levochkin, and then the russians left with the lists, they already knew who to kill, well, that is , why don't we investigate this, well, i just don't understand, in our country, the legislation is not enough, it is enough, that is there has already been a number of criminal cases, well , some private person has no right to collect data. servicemen, she does not have the right to collect data about the situation in the army in this way, she simply does not have the right, she has her own powers, you come to the committee,

literally work there, do not collect there, write to me, call there, well, but the security service of ukraine and our counter-intelligence should react to what is happening, and perhaps our special services would be engaged in this, so that they do not work against roman chervinskyi, who this week. was released on bail of uah 9 million, but the next day the shevchenkiv district court of the capital ordered him to be under 24-hour house arrest, and this was also terrible, because colonel roman chervinskyi, who was one of those officers who was preparing a special operation against the wagnerites, over the last year sits in a butchery, and this is also completely incomprehensible, no one can explain why at all. this is how it happens, and why did we not receive answers to questions about the same wagnerites, by the way, mariana byzugla was the head of the parliamentary of the temporary commission that investigated this, and this

must also be remembered, but bezugula sits and collects data from the military, and roman chervinsky, who fought in the war and who worked against collaborators, including in donbas, and tsemakh can be mentioned, and zakharchenko and many cases that were. e roman chervinskyi, is this the injustice that part of the ukrainian society knows and feels in the case of chervinskyi, or could it also be the reason for this rift, which we are talking about and the reason for this, larisa, listen like this, well, this is also a diversion, because the chervyn symbol, the same symbol as iryna farion, as he was sleazy, well, that is, it is a symbol, and when we are now, we are with you, look, we... will not take any case, there is some informational component around it that looks like it is random, but all this is put into one picture, instead of lagging behind that of

chervinsky, now, here is ours, well, why, when you have dubinsky’s unrepentant people coming to you, well that is, why are you doing it, especially since he didn't turn out like that house arrest, well, what's the question, he 's an officer, what's he going to do, but no, they're starting to press it, they can explain it in different ways, and you... anything, whatever, that the authorities are hiding there, but we see that behind all this there is a mad mistrust, a mad mistrust of some sections of the population towards others, society, the army, officials, all this, all this strife, in fact we see signs of loss of control, and unfortunately, the government in its arrogance , you see, we are the most brilliant here, we fight for the country here, we have ratings here isn't it the ratings, doesn't even realize that... this mess is pushed to them in the form of a falsely high rating, they don't even understand that they just know how the plan was conducted,

that is, this is not the reason why all this is unfolding, you are right you say, there is someone, or a group of persons, who systematically here, there, through the legislative branches, through the informational branches, through this, because of that, simply throw in these points on which we see that our country is already shaking, as a result... a specific feeling , that the struggle has meaning, but it is lost, and people which, they will not go, in fact, there are no rights, no one, no bank they will go to fight, they have trenches, they are well aware of their own, their own, but this is the fact that ukraine, as a single organism, a solidary organism of rush, is collapsing , and it, and the centralized one is collapsing, and it must be investigated, and this... network, because what a crazy network of coolies and agents there must be, and this must be investigated, thank you larisa, olya, who will

investigate it? i don't know, it seems to me that in general the main problem, that's where it all comes from, is someone very somehow directed in this way the banks are pouring into their ears that there may be some kind of junta, a conspiracy of generals, a conspiracy of the military, well, what this is actually one of the leading russian narratives, which they constantly tried to throw here and threw it as a result. directed at the bank, and it is precisely this desire to destroy the army, which comes, well, from the authorities, from those people who cooperate with the authorities, precisely from there, in order to prevent the formation of some forces in the army that can claim political power, and, well, this there wasn't, but until they started disbanding the army, there was no one there at all i didn't think about it, in general,

do you understand? and on the other hand , the question arises when you have an army that is fighting, that is loyal to the political power, and suddenly you start to fear this army, and why are you afraid of it suddenly, what are you doing, that you should be afraid of an army that is fighting for country, why are you doing such a thing, i want to ask how you feel your guilt in what, that you are afraid of a mutiny in the army, which will be directed against you at the time... when the army is fighting, actually, protecting the country, that is, and that i think is the biggest question we all have put, say, and what then, what are these people afraid of? obviously, we will find the answers to these questions in another program, we have to finish colleagues, olga len, larisa voloshina were guests of our program today, thank you for participating in the program, colleagues, i would like to remind you that during the entire broadcast we conducted surveys, we you friends asked about whether corruption has decreased in ukraine

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greetings, friends, live on the tv channel, the second part of the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, today we will talk about the following: from the bribery for corrupt officials, the verkhovna rada adopted in the first reading the draft law on... mitigation of punishment for corruption. how will western partners react to this? politicization of the armed forces. civilian criticize military generals for problems in the army. who benefits from undermining the authority of the ukrainian military leadership. under arrest immediately after release. roman chervinskyi was ordered to be remanded in custody at the new criminal center.