certain episodes from the recent history of poland, i don't want to compare, i'm talking about the similarity of only one aspect of emotions, because after the smolensk catastrophe, after april 10, everyone thought, for example, that jarosław kaczyński would definitely be the president, but bronisław komarowski became the president with a good advantage, so so social emotions don't work as linearly as some people imagine, but it takes a little more analysis, so i get the impression that the experts are actually saying what you say, they may turn out to be right, but that's it stage we are not dealing with. with expert analyses, but with the emotions of experts, because experts are also emotional and react emotionally, and while they all post the same photo and say it will be like this, i am skeptical, because it is in my nature to try to think critically, maybe yes, maybe not, that's my answer, because you never know what's going to happen next, that's it, for moscow, everything that's happening in the us right now is the best news, they 're wringing their hands, how is the kremlin going to act now in all this conflict, in chaos, what are we we see, discussions.

in the united states of america, the president is not the king, and especially the vice president, for example, now someone could say that kamala harris is some kind of super-influential person who makes key decisions, but i don't... i don't

think that would be wise let's talk, let's think pragmatically, how to get out of various possible situations politically, and not wring our hands, from different possible situations, and not wring ourselves. back to the democrats, to what is happening inside that camp, the assassination attempt on donald trump has diverted attention from other important news of the end of last week. namely, from the unsuccessful speech of president joe biden at the closing of the nato summit in washington. diminished, disoriented. and president biden looked tired, confused, called the vice president harris trump, and the president of ukraine zelensky putin. presidential candidates from the democrats. in the last program, we talked about possible presidential candidates from the democratic party, in particular about... vice president

kamala harris and the wife of ex-president barack obama, michelle obama. but there are other names. and after such news, they even pay a lot of attention. these are, for example, the governors of several states, illinois, michigan, california, and the ministers of transportation, pete butijach, an openly gay father of twins in a same-sex marriage. even the name of former us secretary of state hilary clinton is heard. what do you think is the most realistic and interesting surname among the possible ones. the system is such that everything depends on the president, i guess the president is actually sick, so it probably depends on his family and relatives, i think it will certainly be the situation with trump gives the democrats an opportunity for some kind of new start, and i don't know if it will happen, it's a very narrow circle, because, as we said, in a political sense, the president of the united states shares his influence with congress, but also on the other hand, in personally, his position is strong, that is, no one knows it.

this position is especially strong in this period immediately before the campaign, because now he himself should say that he will not run for office, maybe he will say it. if we talk about the speeches in washington, if it were not for the context, i i know from my experience that when you talk a lot about something, you can make obvious mistakes. it's not that every mistake is a problem, the problem here is the sequence of events that is perceived, even if everything was said to the point, and biden's speeches at the nato summit were meaningful, he showed that he is in control of important issues, well, and then one statement in the end, everything is already bad. that's how it works, unfortunately, so overall he can't even get over it, he seems somewhat cornered by his patient. but in your opinion, it is biden who is the most realistic candidate from the democrats? i don't know anymore, sometimes i like to be honest when i don't know something, and the combination of the last names trump and vance is a challenge for the democrats. i just think that

vance's strength is not that he is critical of us or does not want to get involved in ukrainian problems, but that he comes from the social bottom. because putin will want to take advantage of trump's arrival very quickly, and it may turn out that he will not succeed, and i do not exclude the scenario that trump will become more radical, because

biden's policy has also been criticized not only from from trump's point of view, and for example from such positions as kasparov did, criticizing his too little participation or late participation or for trickle-down assistance or for the fact. that help always came when the situation at the front was critical, which was especially visible this spring, so trump's policy, that is , biden's policy, trump's policy, biden's policy, you see, i was also wrong, trump, biden can be confused. biden's policy has also been criticized, and not only from trump's position, but also from pro-ukrainian positions. so, one can imagine that there will be circumstances in which trump, for example, decides that he needs to show strength and changes his approach. we've seen this kind of thing many times in... politics and again i go back to vance, who is such a new character, and it's generally the figures of a few years ago and even more recently, because he's young, he was very critical of trump, and now he's a supporter of trump, so i think it makes sense to talk about politics when we are calculating the scenarios that could happen, not when we focus

on some single decision. one way or another, in any case, it seems that in... in connection with everything that is happening in the united states now, there may be more such scenarios, the leader in the candle is democratic. the usa is a leader in the democratic world, in nato, important for supporting ukraine and poland against threats from the north and east. there is only one thing to say: europe has a lot of homework, and these tasks need to be done quickly. exactly. at the same time. another important news, this time good. prime minister of estonia kaia kalas resigned on monday in connection with the planned appointment to the position of head of eu diplomacy. an important step. we see kaya kalas going to this destination and

understand that in the kremlin at such moments they tear their hair out. after all, kalas is known for her energy in the fight against russian aggression. there is also a part of her own history in this, because the politician remembers the soviet repressions against her family. she herself remembers soviet tanks in the cities of her country. this is the 91st year of estonia's independence. have you ever met kaya kalas? what you can tell about it how good news is for european diplomacy and bad news for russia. probably didn't talk, probably met at a few conferences, for example, i think we were together recently at a conference in munich, but i don't remember any conversation with her, it was all about the soviet sphere and the russian takeover of the sphere soviet, and russian domination, because the gvaut in estonia, on the one hand, the enslavement of estonia, and on the other hand, her

family was a nomenclature family, that is , they also participated in this regime, because so it was, later she became one of the most pro-western and pro-european politicians, her strength is in her views and understanding, but... the weakness is that she represents a small country. if you honestly analyze, then there is a certain element of weakness in kalas. today, you and i will discuss the american context in such detail, and she will certainly speak to the us secretary of state from the position of a representative of the entire eu, but still from a tiny country. secretary of state. that there will always be a suspicion that she does not assess the situation objectively, only through her own lens experience small countries with powerful leaders and huge countries with weak leaders, with weak leaders, we'll see, because i care, we'll see how it goes, because i think that the usa has a huge dynamic. kalas

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to politics, close to the world, maria gurska, journalist of the ukrainian tv channel and eu sister portal, and pavel koval, head of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish diet and head of the council for cooperation with ukraine. congratulations. good day. let's start with the main world news of the week. it happened after assassination attempt on an ex-president during a campaign speech, this is the first assassination attempt on a president, a presidential candidate in america since 1981 and one of several in us history. assassinations are usually carried out by psychopaths, as was the case with john hickney jr., who admitted that he wanted to impress actress jodie foster by assassinating president reagan. attempts have also occurred in the history of the united states at critical moments of disagreement, in views of the country's future before turning points.

this can be called 1865, the assassination of the president lincoln was a supporter of the confederates who fought to preserve slavery. what is it about the behavior and character of donald trump that causes such extreme emotions in people today, at this moment in the history of the world and the united states. and extreme emotion, in vedvuk. donald trump. there's a lot to talk about, but there's a heated debate going on in the trump camp within the republican party right now.

it turns out that trump responded to the assassination attempt by electing an isolationist, he elected a politician who is against us foreign intervention, including against aid in the war. bless you. trump chooses a politician, i'm sorry, trump chooses a politician who is against aid, like

trump himself, he is against aid to ukraine, but also generally against the us helping from the outside, that is, an isolationist. but i would like to draw your attention to the fact that this is a 39-year-old politician, versatile, with a very large experience in the lower strata of society, a politician who had a very specific experience with his father who left him, he went through it very hard, and then he had problems with his mother, his father, who left him bardzo przeżył, pościę mął kłopoty z matką, no ale pościę, so i'm talking about senator vance, because vance is the answer to what happened, in my opinion, in... it's the answer to what happened in pennsylvania, that is, to shots at trump to trump. frankly speaking, ukrainian experts say that the selection of senator vance as a possible vice president emphasizes donald trump's dislike for ukraine. after all, he was the most anti-ukrainian candidate. i don't think so, in poland they will say that the election of senator wentz as a possible

vice president emphasizes the dislike of trump to donald tusk, because vance is too, sorry. in poland, they will say that the election of vance emphasizes the dislike for donald tusk, because vance also strongly criticized our government and our majority, but i think that ukrainians see from their point of view, poles from theirs. but both of them are right, because of all the candidates for vice president, vance is the most opposed to the involvement and interference of the united states in foreign policy in the direction of eastern europe. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but that's not the point, the point is that trump chooses the more radical one for himself, a person who has such a path behind him and, by the way, was a critic of him, strongly criticized trump for several topics, then came to trump's side. after all, vance harshly criticized trump a few years ago, and then switched to the ex-president's side. today he is a radical who defends trump on the right. i think

that in trump's mind, because i have a deeper analysis of the situation from the republicans, things look like this. trump needs to defend himself against criticism from the right wing in his camp, and the right wing in his camp is talking yes: trump will come to power and the country will once again be ruled by the deep state. and trump wants to show: "no, there will be something else." and one more important thing, after all, against the background of the gerontocracy that reigns in the usa today. trump chooses a promising 39-year-old senator from ohio. a senator with a brilliant biography. it's generally great in the united states, vance writes books that sell, even in poland they were translated and sold well, he makes films, just imagine how it looks against the background of this dignified, let's say, respectable, in terms of age, democratic environment these are the real reasons, as far as

i'm concerned, and other things follow it and are very bad signs for us, because vance is officially attacking the polish government. he is categorically against aid to ukraine, but again, it is not only about ukraine, but about the essence of american policy, which is simply returning to isolationism, and now another vit, if we imagine that the republicans in america can be divided between the supreganist approach, that is we monitor the situation in the world because it is good for the united states and for our security, because we always forced to pay if we don't keep track, and on the other hand we don't get lost because it's none of our business, then vance is on the other side. to the topic of an assassination attempt on trump, but this is what a team can get. we will engage in politics,

conduct it in such conditions that we will have to, and this is how we should treat politics, neither you in ukraine nor we in poland have any influence on who will be the president of the united states, unless there are ethnic ukrainians in the united states or poles who vote and will soon elect someone, but i'm afraid that many poles in the u.s. will still vote for trump. trump so what are the challenges and safeguards that can still be put in place before the us elections in november? normal policy, and above all there should be normal policy within nato, and first of all support for ukraine. this is what can be done by november, strengthening the european defense industry. i 've been saying this for a long time, precisely because things can change dramatically in the united states, but... let's go back to the united states for a moment. i would advise you not to think about politics in points. because sometimes this happens to me

the impression that people have a similar tendency, especially in our countries, that is, ukrainians and poles. listen, nothing stands still. if trump nominates an isolationist who opposes us intervention as vice president, he'll likely nominate someone more open and gravitating toward the center as secretary of state, because this is an election. trump understands this very well, and trump's people understand and so does his team, it's not like everything will go into extreme isolationism, there will be some other elements of this puzzle and we are all this puzzle let's put together, is this puzzle the best possible for us? we'll see, it also depends a little on trump himself. we will remind that when it comes to positions related to security, there is also the state secretary and the national security council. here, we do not know what will happen, and i will say more, if trump decided to make concessions to the extreme right, elected an isolationist to the post. vice president, that means he 'll be balancing somewhere else, that makes sense to me. i follow the discussions in the republican camp, and the general opinion is that the far right, which

the attacker probably represented, believes that trump is too much of a center, that trump is too connected to the establishment, that trump has already begun to be surrounded by establishment republican politicians who have realized that without trump no republican politics. this is what is happening in the republican camp, but it is not the only segment, how to say it better, not the only one. space in american politics, when we look at the whole, we don't really know what's going to happen until early november, and honestly that being said, there's probably still going to be some dynamics among the democrats, so there's still going to be a little bit of different elements. we will give more details on this topic in a moment. but you know, i got the impression that i threw you a little off the schedule, because you probably wanted to discuss vance's anti-ukrainian sentiment, while everyone in poland does. i don't think trump is going to sit around

and think, oh, we need to figure out how to hurt the government in poland. it just so happened that we have such a result, but he had other reasons to choose this candidate for the post vice president, you only have to follow what's going on inside the republican party to understand that. let's hope that it is so, because some experts say that trump is a very impulsive figure, this does not help us, that is, what happened like this does not help us, because he is already anti-ukrainian in the sense that opposes aid very strongly because he has been against against every vote so let's not have any illusions here, i'm not saying this to reassure you, i'm just saying that if we want to act, we must assess the situation correctly, however, world leaders and opponents of donald trump, including the current us president joe biden, have condemned the violence after the attack, and now the question is whether this event will unite americans or, on the contrary, cause division and a possible outbreak

of violence? experts warn about this, and what's more, the americans themselves fear such a scenario. a recent survey commissioned by the reuters agency by the research company ipsos showed that 2/3 of us voters are concerned about the possible the increase in violence after the presidential elections. their fears can be understood if you remember. the storming of the capitol in january 21. you wanted to hear what i wanted to happen or what i thought would happen. second, if the second, i think that in two weeks everyone will forget about this attempt, trump's photo will continue to be used, unless a new, better photo appears. you and i started with a list of attempts on the presidents of the united states, successful and unsuccessful, there were more of them. i don't remember all of them, but there were definitely a lot of them. you said a few, but this is a significant few, because both presidents and presidential candidates. were attacked, and the main thing is that the attack did not mean that his victim immediately won. in the 20th century, there were four assassination attempts on us presidents, and of course more if

you count. and there were assassination attempts on candidates who did not become president, so when someone says that if you were assassinated and you survived, then you will become president, it doesn't work like that, it's politics, there will be a huge dynamic in the united states, a huge dynamic in world, today it seems that trump is favorite, we're watching what's happening in the republican camp, we're not crying, we're just thinking about how to deal with this new situation politically, but we're also assuming there will be other situations, nothing. undecided yet, i, for one, know americans well, and cannot imagine that a democratic voter will vote for trump because trump was assassinated, it doesn't work like that, but there is always a significant portion of those who are undecided. there are few, yes, it's a small number because america is very divided and it's about very small groups and that's it sensei, maybe it's dangerous, it's about small groups, the state where the assassination happened is a good example of a lot

of voters, we're talking about... about pennsylvania, and in pennsylvania it's already generally known who votes how, so they get elected those constituencies where the situation is 50-50, and there is an election campaign, in the united states of america, the presidential campaign is not everywhere, contrary to what it might seem. it is held only in those states where the scales can be tilted. usually there are 6, 7, 10 such states, and in these states, if they are large, a pennsylvania is a big state, they choose such places and districts where something can be changed. here's how it works.

just kidding, i'm an expert too, of course, that's why i'm asking you this, i 've seen the emotions, but i also want to emphasize the point of how the republicans are using the topic, house representative mike collins said during a public address, joe biden gave the order to shoot his rival in the elections. i saw what happened on the night from saturday to sunday, i also saw it in us. let's distinguish expertise from emotions.

for example that jarosław kaczyński will definitely be president and bronisław komarowski became president by a good margin, so social emotions don't work as linearly as some people imagine, but that requires a little more analysis, so i get the impression that the experts are actually saying that , as you say, it may turn out that they are right, but at this stage we are not dealing with expert analysis, but with the emotions of experts, because experts are also emotional and react emotionally, and while they are all posting the same photo and they say it will be like this. i'm skeptical because it's in my nature to try to think critically, maybe yes, maybe no, that's my answer, because you never know what's going to happen next, that's it. for moscow, everything that is currently happening in the usa is the best news, they are rubbing their hands together. how the kremlin will act now in this whole conflict, in the chaos that we see, the discussions on social networks, they will probably add fuel to the fire.

are passed in the parliament, in the chamber and in the senate, as it was last time, so in reality this game is more difficult. in the united in the united states, the president is not the king, and especially the vice president. for example, now someone could say that kamala garis is some super-influential person who makes key decisions. but i don't think it would be wise to say that.